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John Savage Bt (abt. 1554 - bef. 1615)

Born about [uncertain] in Rock Savage, Cheshire, England
Died before before about age 61 in Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

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Biography

European Aristocracy
Sir John Savage was a member of the aristocracy in British Isles.
This profile is part of the Savage Name Study.

Sir John Savage (1554-1615) was the 2nd but 1st surv. s. of Sir John Savage by his 1st w. and bro. of Edward. He was educated at L. Inn 1571. He m. c.1576, Mary, da. and coh. of Richard Allington, they had 5s. 2da. He succeeded his father in 1597, Knighted 28 June 1599 and was created a Baronet on 28 June 1611. Knight of the Shire for Cheshire in 1586 and 1589. Buried 14 Jul 1615 at Macclesfield, co. Chester. [1]

Children of Sir John Savage and Mary Allington:[2][3]

  1. John Savage (b. 1577 dvp aft 13 Oct 1598)
  2. Thomas Savage 2nd Bt. later 1st Viscount Savage
  3. John Savage fl. 1600 dsp
  4. Richard Savage fl. 1600 dvp
  5. William Savage fl. 1600 mar., and had issue
  6. George Savage
  7. Philip Savage
  8. Elizabeth Savage (bur. 24 Dec 1614), mar. (1) Thomas Mainwaring, and (2) as his second wife Sir Ralph Done, of Duddon, co. Chester (d. Jan 1660), and had issue by her second husband
  9. Grace Savage (d. 1662), mar. Sir Richard Wulbraham, 1st Bt., of Woodhey, co. Chester, and had issue

Research Notes

Cousin of the 3rd Earl of Rutland.

Dubious Children:

  • John Savage Sir
  • Edward Savage
  • Christian Savage

Old Notes

  • Born 1554, second but first surv. son of Sir John Savage, by his first wife Elizabeth, dau. of Thomas Manners, 1st Earl of Rutland; and brother of Edward. Educ. L. Inn 1571. Married ABT 1576, Mary, dau. and coh. of Richard Allington. Suc. family 1597. Kntd. ?28 Jun 1599; cr. Bt. 28 Jun 1611. Bailiff of manor and forest and keeper of the gaol of Macclesfield from 1597; steward, Macclesfield from 1598, of manor of Halton from 1598; j.p.q. and commr. musters, Cheshire from c.1598, sheriff 1606-7, dep. Lt. from c. 1608; mayor, Chester 1607-8. Savage first comes to notice in 1576 for refusing to make adequate arrangements for his mistress (one of his stepmother's relatives, before his marriage). After his marriage he lived in or near London, perhaps at court, but, finding the cost too great, in 1579 he accompanied Sir William Norreys to Ireland. From Chester he wrote to his cousin Edward Manners, Earl of Rutland, asking him to provide him with a good horse, as the other gentlemen in the company were well mounted, and he ‘would be loath to be inferior’. He was back in England by 30 Jul 1585, when he was again writing to Rutland, this time in an effort to prevent his father from disposing of certain entailed estates, an issue on which father and son had reached agreement within a year. Savage twice sat for the county before becoming head of the family in 1597. He did not gain possession of all the family estates, however, until after the death of his stepmother in 1612, and he appears to have been in financial difficulties, perhaps a result of his father's debts, though the father was listed as of ‘great possessions’ in 1588. Even after coming into all the Savage lands, the heir complained of poverty, still, however, being among the first to purchase a baronetcy. He died at Rock Savage 7 Jul 1615, having made his will the previous 20 Jun. To his overseer, his worthy friend the Bishop of Chester, he bequeathed a piece of plate worth £5, and to the city of Chester a pair of silver gilt flagons, valued at £20. His wife received his houses in Holborn and Chester; his coach and horses. He was buried at Macclesfield on 14 Jul 1615, leaving as heir his eldest son Thomas. The will was not proved until 1618. [4]

Parents

The listed parents are in dispute, as the dates are inconsistent, and it appears that this couple did have a child named John but he died young.

Sources

  1. SAVAGE, John (1554-1615), of Clifton, Cheshire. The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1558-1603, ed. P.W. Hasler, 1981
  2. Ormerod, Cheshire i pp.528-9
  3. Savage, of Rocksavage, co. Chester (E Baronet, 1611 - 1737) Cracrofts Peerage
  4. http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/JohnSavageofRocksavage1.htm
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Where does the info come from re: disputed parents?

There seems to be no source for it and multiple sources for the attached parents as his parents. Not least his father’s will, which I was going to mention, but I notice Monica Edmunds has already mentioned below, so here’s a link https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D937524. The info in the will corresponds to the info in the visitation above, even mentioning the base son of this John.

The other ‘son’ John 1550-1633 attached to the parents on here is unsourced & has a biography which says “Jerrum was born in 1570 and died in 1631” so I don’t think there’s any question to which one is the son John mentioned in the will.

posted by L Felix

Not sure why he is showing as uncertain. His father certainly had a son and heir named John who survived him.

FILE - [no title] - ref. DCH/E/310 - date: 1597, 2. Dec Contents WILL and PROBATE (27. Apr. 1598) (copy) of Sir John Savage of Rocke savage Kt.; he directs that he is to be buried in the church of Macclesfelide; directs his sons John and Edward to permit Dame Ellianor his wife to hold such manors, lands etc: as are settled onher for life; devises to Francis Savage, his youngest daughter, all his manors, lands etc: in RUSHTON SPENCER, WARNEFORD alias QUARNEFORD,CLOUDWOOD, HEITON, WATERFORDE and BRATBACHE (Co. Staffs), except lands and tenements in LEEKE and KNOWLES and a parcel of land called Hickanfield (Co. Staffs); makes other bequests to John Savage, his son and heir, Edward Savage, his son, Margaret Brereton, Elizabeth Langton, Elianor Bagnall and Marie Milles, his daughters, John Savage, base son of John Savage, his son and heir, Polixena Savage, wife of Edward Savage, his son, and Roger Savage and John Savage, sons of the said Edward; he appoints the said Dame Elianor his wife, sole executrix. Paper.

posted by Monica (Edmunds) Kanellis
edited by Monica (Edmunds) Kanellis

Somehow the family and next gen, etc... got conflated w/ a Savage line of Wiltshire. ... detached & filed in ONS for Savage of Wilts.

posted by [Living Ogle]

DeSpain-617
Laura DeSpain
Savage-6646 should not be merged with Savage-125 until sources can be provided. John Savage the father is a Project Protected Profile and a part of the British Royals and Aristocrats Project. John Savage-126 did have 2 sons named John but one died young. Sources are necessary to ensure that these are duplicates.

posted on Savage-6646 (merged) by Laura DeSpain

Savage-6646 and Savage-125 appear to represent the same person because: Appear to be the same person.

posted by Shanna (Haas) Cote

Not uncommon for siblings to haave similar names especioally if one child dies.

Need some convincing documentation to proffer a merge especially the source _Ormerod, Cheshire i pp.528-9, distincly quotes the first John as dying young.

posted by [Living Wood]

Gibson-14249
Charles Gibson
Can there really be two brothers with the same name John only a few years apart? Are these duplicate profiles that need merged?

posted by Charles Gibson

Thomas-7679
Gillian Thomas
Savage-305 and Savage-125 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates. Original data for both profiles suggests that they were both meant to represent the same person, albeit with significant errors in Savage-305. Please merge into the data and biography for Savage-125. Wives to be merged into Margery Allington-1. Son William Savage-4319 still being reviewed in line with sources available, but at this stage he doesn't seem to fit into this family.

posted by Gillian Thomas

Bradley-4416
Eileen Bradley
Mother too young or not born (Allington-1,Savage-305)

posted by Eileen Bradley

Bradley-4416
Eileen Bradley
Father is too young or not born (Savage-125,Savage-305)

posted by Eileen Bradley

Bradley-4416
Eileen Bradley
13 Duplicate in relatives (Savage-305,Allington-1)

posted by Eileen Bradley

Right two married but children totally mixed up, almost impossible to separate now without some hard work!

I can send you a correct gedcom if you wish

posted by [Living Wood]

This John is mixed up with his gfather JOhn Savage. Cannot possibly be the one born 1554

posted by [Living Wood]

Savage-305 is listed as both the son and husband of Margery (Mary) Alington.

posted by Vivienne Caldwell

Pretty sure this was not John and Margery's son - they m. c. 1576 so the date's don't work. They had a son John who was b. 1577 and d. young.

posted by Kirk Hess



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