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Joseph Cary (1732 - abt. 1814)

Born in Connecticut Colony [uncertain]
Died about [uncertain] at about age 82 in Fishkill, Dutchess, New York, United States [uncertain]


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Contents

Biography

This profile is part of the Carey Name Study.
1776 Project
Private Joseph Cary served with 2nd Regiment, Dutchess County Militia, New York Militia during the American Revolution.
Daughters of the American Revolution
Joseph Cary is a DAR Patriot Ancestor, A020233.
SAR insignia
Joseph Cary is an NSSAR Patriot Ancestor.
NSSAR Ancestor #: 129861
Rank: Private
Joseph engaged in farming in New York.
  • A birth record for Joseph Cary has not been located. The Settlers of the Beekman Patent lists Joseph and his family under "Other and Unplaced Cary", inferring that his parents are not known to the author.
  • Eleazer Cary Family and Affiliated Lines, pg 33 [1] list the family group of Joseph Cary and Anne Brett as having sons; Barnabas, Elihu, John and Joseph. Local Tradition accepts this as the parents of this Joseph Cary, though it has not been definitively proven or disproven.



Joseph Cary Births

    • Joseph Cary , 4 Aug 1723, Connecticut, Parents: John Cary & Hannah Thurston [1]

The Settlers of the Beekman Patent, have Joseph Cary who married Abigail Hebard assigned the birth date of 22 Feb 1732, however this is not correct as there is a birth record for Joseph, son of John & Hannah (Thurston) Cary and he was born in 1723.

    • Joseph Cary , 28 Sep 1723, Connecticut, Parents: Jabez Cary & Hannah Hendee [2]
    • Joseph Cary, 22 Feb 1732, Connecticut, Parents unverified [2]

: ....His paternal grandfather, Joseph Cary, enjoyed the unique distinction of having first seen the light February 22, 1732 - the day and year of Gen. Washington's birth...

  • Biography, Richard Brimson Cary, American Ancestry, Vol II, pg 405, by Thomas P Hughes [3]

Location, Location, Location

Joseph's parents are not the only mystery to solve here, his place of birth has been a subject of debate also. Multiple DAR applicants list his place of birth as Connecticut and a Newspaper Story from 1899, lists his place of birth as Long Island. Both could be correct, depending on who is giving the information, during which decade and where the information came from, keeping in mind that no birth record has been found for Joseph and his descendants information may have been by word of mouth. The land and waterway disputes over Long Island and Long Island Sound lasted over many years, in fact from 1614 - the early 1900's [4].

  • 1620 - The Great Patent of New England, gave the rights of Long Island Sound and Long Island itself to Connecticut
  • 1650 - Treaty of Hartford, the Dutch gave their rights to Long Island to Connecticut [5]
  • 1664 - The Royal Commission deemed Long Island & Long Island Sound belonged to New York ( Charles II granted to his brother the Duke of York)
  • 1765 - The Connecticut Superior Court said that Long Island was part of the Colony of Connecticut
  • 1776 - August 27 - Battle of Long Island, most of Long Island's residents fled across the waterway and many resettled in New Haven, Connecticut. (Just 70 miles from Windham, approx. a 5 hr. trip by horse)
  • 1777 - June 7 - The First Council of Safety paid Obadiah Jones, John Hulbart and Thomas Dering to relocate some of the Refugees of Long Island from Connecticut to Dutchess County, New York. New York in the Revoltion as Colony and State [6].

These are just a few of the many Disputes, Treaty's and "Gifts" of Long Island and Long Island Sound during Joseph Parents, Joseph & Elizabeth, their children and grandchildren's lives.

Marriage

  • Joseph Cary and Elizabeth Storm were married on 6 Jul 1755 [3]
First Reformed Dutch Church
  • First Reformed Dutch Church, constructed in 1731 in Dutchess County. The Rombout Patent, which included Fishkill, was purchased by 3 business men, including Francis Rombout. Upon the death of Francis, he left his portion to his daughter Catharyna Rombouts who later married Roger Brett.

Military Service

  • Joseph Cary is a DAR Patriot Ancestor #A020233 [7]

CARY, JOSEPH Ancestor #: A020233 Child/Child : PHEBE / [1] GABRIEL SMITH Service: NEW YORK Rank(s): PRIVATE Birth: 2-22-1732 WINDHAM WINDHAM CO CONNECTICUT Death: 1814 FISHKILL DUTCHESS CO NEW YORK Service Source: ROBERTS, NY IN THE REV, P 135; FERNOW, DOCS REL TO THE COL HIST OF STATE OF NY, "NY IN THE REV," VOL 15, P 339, Service Description:

  • 1) CAPT JOHN SCHUTT, COL ABRAHAM BRINKERHOFF
  • 2) 2ND REGT, DUTCHESS CO MILITIA

If you visit the DAR Listing for Joseph, you will find 11 applicants descending from 3 of Joseph's children: John, Phebe and Susan. Eight of those applicants give Joseph's birth date as 22 Feb 1732 and place of birth as Windham Co., Connecticut. One does not list a date/place of birth, one gives a birth date of 1723, however the line of descend matches exactly to Susan, daughter of this Joseph and one was submitted in short form and restricted from viewing. [8].

There are multiple listings for Joseph Cary's who served in the Revolution from Dutchess County. One that matches up with the facts we know about this Joseph, one that list completely different Capt's, Col's and Regiment number. A third listing simple states that Joseph Cary was a Wooden Bowl Turner.

The Cary Family Migration

  • Massachusetts - Connecticut - New York
  • 1778 (June), Massachusetts Soldiers were in Fishkill, Dutchess County, NY. Massachusetts Military Records 1765 - 1783.[9]
  • 1779 (Mar - Jun), Massachusetts Soldiers were in Fishkill, Dutchess County, NY. Massachusetts Military Records 1765 - 1783. [10]
  • New York - Pennsylvania - The Susquehanna Purchase

The Susquehanna Company, made up of mostly Connecticut members, but also at least 27 members from Dutchess County, New York. [11] They purchased land known as the Wyoming Valley. Barnabas Cary son of Joseph Cary and Anne (Brett) Cary attended the meetings of the Susquehanna Company in Albany, New York. [12] In 1783, after many residents that had relocated from Dutchess County died in the Wyoming Massacre and families from the Wyoming Valley were struggling a large group of people including several Cary's and Mr. Gore petitioned New York for a piece of land to replace the land they had lost in the Wyoming Valley. (Decree of Trenton).

Time Line

  • No records have been found for Joseph between the years of 1732 - 1753
  • 1732 - Joseph is born, birth date given by DAR Applicants & Grandson Richard Brimson Cary
  • 1754 - abt. 1754, Joseph purchases land in Fishkill, Dutchess Co., New York [13]
  • 1755 - Joseph marries Elizabeth Storm, Rumbout, Dutchess County, New York [4]
  • 1759 - Birth of daughter Mary Cary abt. 1759, listed in her father's Will & The Doty-Doten Family Genealogy. [14]
  • 1760 - A Joseph Cary was taxed in Beekman 1760 - 61, The Settlers of the Beekman Patent [15]
  • 1760 - Protestant Episcopal Church, built largely through the efforts and means of a Joseph Cary [16]
  • 1761 - Birth of Son Joseph Cary abt. 1761, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1764 - Birth of Son Samuel Cary abt. 1764, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1767 - Birth of Son William Cary abt. 1767, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1769 - Birth of daughter Phebe Cary abt 1769, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1772 - Birth of son Nathan Cary, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1775 - Birth of son Jesse Cary, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1776 - Birth of son Thomas, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1779 - Birth of son Matthew Cary abt. 1779, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1781 - Birth of son Isaac Cary abt. 1781, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1783 - Birth of son John Cary abt. 1783, listed in his father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1784 - Birth of daughter Martha Carey abt. 1784, listed in her father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1785 - Birth of daughter Sarah Cary abt. 1785, listed in her father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1787 - Birth of daughter Joanna Cary abt. 1787, listed in her father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1788 - Birth of daughter Polly Cary, listed in her father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1790 - US Census Record, Joseph Cary, also listed are; George, Robert & Theodorus Brett [5]
  • 1793 - Birth of daughter Susan Cary, listed in her father's Will, see attached photo
  • 1800 - US Census Record, Joseph Cary, also listed are; Robert Brett, Thomas, Isaac, Abraham & Peter Storm, several Mott & Shaw families. There is a strong connection in both NY and PA between the Cary, Mott & Shaw Families. [6]
  • 1802 - Fishkill Tax Roll; Thomas Cary, Joseph Cary, LaDue, Brett, Shaw, Thurston
  • 1810 - US Census Record, Joseph Cary [7]
  • 1814 - Joseph's Will and Probate, see attached photo

Death and Legacy

  • A Transcription of Joseph's Will has been attached to this profile page. Transcription by Susan Carey
  • The Settlers of the Beekman Patent make an assumption that Mary & Polly, daughters of Joseph, are the same person. We know this is a mistake as Joseph lists them in his Will as two separate individuals. Another assumption is that Thomas Cary that married Mary/Polly Smith is the same Thomas Cary son of Joseph Cary 1732. Thomas's wife is not named in Joseph's Will. There are at least 2 Thomas Cary's in Fishkill and another Thomas Cary in Washington, all in Dutchess County, 1800 Census Records.

Research Notes

Personal Family Experiences

During a trip to attend a family members wedding in Virginia Beach, VA, I made several stops in both New York and Pennsylvania to do genealogical research. Some of these stops included cemeteries where I was hoping to obtain photos of headstones. I hit the jackpot in a cemetery in Pennsylvania. While searching through the cemetery for "my people" I had the pleasure of meeting the Sexton who was there at the same time, asking if he could narrow down any of the locations for the family members on my extensive list - it was a huge cemetery. I showed him my list and he immediately responded "these are my people ! " Well hello cousin..... I introduced myself and his question was 1 that I have been asked many times since then, "so are you "e" or no "e" ?" He invited my husband and me to a small building and spent an hour showing me original plot maps of the cemetery and locations for almost every person I had listed. He also shared some family stories and told us the local locations of "old" Cary farms.

Sources

  • Transcribed 1790 Census for Dutchess County, NY - Easier to Read [17]
  1. "Connecticut, Births and Christenings, 1649-1906", , FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7HM-Q81 : 7 January 2020), Joseph Cary, 1723.
  2. "Connecticut, Births and Christenings, 1649-1906", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7HM-QDS : 7 January 2020), Joseph Cary, 1723.
  3. "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VK1K-FJT : 21 January 2020), Joseph Cary, 1755.
  4. "New York, Marriages, 1686-1980", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VK1K-FJT : 21 January 2020), Joseph Cary, 1755.
  5. "United States, Census, 1790", FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKP-3BG : Fri Mar 08 21:24:23 UTC 2024), Entry for Joseph Cary, 1790.
  6. "United States, Census, 1800", FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH5T-31M : Fri Mar 08 16:26:47 UTC 2024), Entry for Joseph Cary, 1800.
  7. "United States, Census, 1810", FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH25-3VM : Wed Mar 06 13:41:40 UTC 2024), Entry for Joseph Cary, 1810.
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Photos of Joseph: 5

Joseph Cary Last Will & Testament
(1/5) Joseph Cary Last Will & Testament Joseph Cary (1732-abt.1814). 1814
Joseph Cary Last Will & Testament
(2/5) Joseph Cary Last Will & Testament Joseph Cary (1732-abt.1814). New York 1814
Cary Farm
(3/5) Cary Farm Joseph Cary (1732-abt.1814), Thomas Cary (abt.1776-aft.1860). Fishkill, Dutchess, New York, United States
1867 map of Fishkill
(4/5) 1867 map of Fishkill Joseph Cary (1732-abt.1814). Fishkill, Dutchess, New York, United States 1867
First Reformed Dutch Church
(5/5) First Reformed Dutch Church Joseph Cary (1732-abt.1814). Dutchess, New York Colony

DNA Connections for Joseph: 12

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Comments on Joseph Cary: 22


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Susan, I noticed that the previous biography, sources, and research notes were deleted and replaced with a new version without prior discussion. I think it should be restored so we can review everything together and collaborate on improvements rather than overwrite existing work.

We can save all of your changes and combine both biographies, then work from there to determine what belongs on this profile. Is that okay with you?

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

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Susan Carey (new)
Hi Jarrett, I've been working on the new page for several days now. It needed a full rewrite as the old profile page was a hodge podge of misc. information with much of it based on opinion rather than sources and not really in any sort of chronological order. I'm guilty of creating some of that myself. It also had several broken source links to nowhere that needed to be fixed/replaced. I do not want the old page restored but you are welcome to add information and sources to the new page. A Wikitree Mentor requested for a New York Project member to help and Kay has set up a wonderful research page for Joseph and Thomas, its a great place to put information with sources that can be reviewed without it over taking the profile page. Also if you look through the sources listed, I think you will find that most of the ones from the old page have already been put back in the new profile page, including the ones you had added. Have a great weekend! S.

posted by Susan Carey

I understand that you have different theories and that's ok, but we have to discuss what we disagree on to move forward. Collaboration is a WikiTree requirement.


https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Collaboration#Collaboration_Requires_Communication


https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Resolving_a_Disagreement#Disagreements_about_Content


https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:Honor_Code


I appreciate that you want to improve the profile, but the previous bio did not need a full rewrite. It was already in chronological order with thoroughly sourced biographical information that is now gone. The only place I added opinion was in the research notes, where it was made clear that it was theoretical. This new bio contains inaccurate information and a lot of conjecture. Like I said, I think we should keep both versions and discuss what should or should not be on the profile until we can agree on a final bio.


Those FamilySearch source links weren't working because they can only be viewed at a FamilySearch center. I will transcribe those next time I'm there, but they should not be removed.


Thank you.

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

Carey-2223
Susan Carey (new)
You found the Honor Code, Great! The previous version of Joseph's page is not going to be restored, how about we focus on making an updated, even better profile. I saved a hard copy of the other page and reincorporated as much of the information, with working source links & citations as I've had time to. Its still a work in progress, which is why I invited you to add more information to it. In order to better understand the "new" profile page for Joseph, I'll walk you through my thought process of what was and was not included in the profile page and what was placed on the Research Space page.
  • Biography* - Removed comment made regarding place of birth - most likely in Newtown - if the words most likely are used, & there is no source that list Newtown/Elmhurst, its an opinion, this should be on the Research page. The excerpt you added from RBC - was kept. *Joseph Cary Births* - should help keep some of the Joseph's from getting confused with this Joseph. *Location* This is new and sourced. *Marriage* - this was cleaned up, the old page had same info in 2 different places. *Time Line* All of the children's names with embedded links were kept, same as old. Plus some addl info from Census's records, all sourced. *Death & Legacy* same info as old. *Research Page* wonderfully set up by Kay, I hope you will contribute to it.

Complete removals - (DNA Research Notes) - from both of us - those belong on the Research Space page. I haven't added mine yet, if you choose to add your info about Joseph Cary that married Mary Reeder, we may want to go ahead and create a DNA header. (Newburgh Newspaper Story), I believe I put a web link for that on the new profile page, however you had written out most of that story on this profile and I think that may fall into a copyright infringement, even though it was originally 1899, a copyright was renewed in 2014. If it is ok copyright wise and you would like to add it back in I have no objection to that. (Trinity Church) - This doesn't include any information that defines which Joseph Cary it refers to, it should go to the Research page. Your thoughts??

posted by Susan Carey

About the birthplace, that is not an opinion, but an evidence-based inference. You removed the sources supporting that and much more. Deleting most of the bio and replacing it with your own version without any discussion is a violation of the honor code. Again, I'm not suggesting we delete what you added, but to combine both biographies. Then if there's something you want to change or remove, we can discuss it first.

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

Carey-2223
Susan Carey (new)
The definition of "inference" - the logical process of reaching a conclusion based on evidence. In wikitree we use sources for that evidence. There are no sources now or have you ever listed a source that gives Joseph's birth place as Newtown, you yourself wrote "most likely" he was born in Newtown but did not attach a source with that information, the source you attached only said Long Island. There are 2 sources that listed Long Island as his birth place ( and 10 DAR applicants that say Connecticut) and they are both attached to this profile. If you've discovered a source listing Newtown, fantastic! Please add it!

The only sources removed were the links to nowhere.... broken and not providing any evidence.

Making significate changes to a bio - such as you did when you deleted my original profile sources 3 yrs ago - then changing 75% of the bio information - without communicating with the profile manager is a violation of the Honor Code.

I'm sorry that you do not feel you can move forward, should you change your mind and decide you would like to add information with working source links to Joseph's profile and research page you are welcome to do so.

posted by Susan Carey

Susan, I never deleted your sources. I only added information as there wasn't much of a biography. I posted comments, responded to your messages, and explained my changes in the research notes. You repeatedly deleted my edits without ever providing a reliable source to dispute them. I'm happy to discuss details when the information is restored.

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

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Susan Carey (new)
I kept a hard copy of the old profile, you only listed 1 reference after "most likely Newtown" , that reference is the Newburgh Story, which does not say Newtown in it, only Long Island and that source is attached to the new profile page. That story has a copyright of 2014 - good for 95 years.

If you would take 2 minutes to check out the Research page instead of making false accusations about me, you would have seen that Kay transferred your non working sources and the information is there. I've encouraged you in more than 1 message to do so. She put them under the Heading **Mystery Sources** and **Sources that identified only via a bare URL that cannot be reached**. It was the decision of the Wikitree Mentor and the New York Project member to create the Research Page, the bulk of information * you * added to the old profile * you * put under Research Notes.

The information with viewable sources was put in the new profile, the sources that were not viewable were moved to the Research Page by the New York Project.

posted by Susan Carey

Carey-2223
Susan Carey (new)
Cary-1530 and Cary-1297 do not represent the same person because: Creating rejected match to avoid future confusion

posted by Susan Carey

Does anyone have any sources for his parents?

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

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Susan Carey
Joseph is listed with his brothers Barnabas, Elihu & John in the Eleazer Cary Family History (Listed as the sons of Joseph b1705) but at some point someone edited his profile and removed it. I'll add it back on. Would be great if someone could access the Luther Cary Supplement 28-A, might clear up a lot of questions.

posted by Susan Carey

Thanks. From what I've read it sounds like Joseph being a son of Joseph Cary and Anne Brett was just speculation.

According to the information from his descendants in county histories and newspaper articles, Joseph was born in either Rhode Island or Long Island, New York on February 22, 1732.

Joseph and Anne were married June 15, 1732 and their first child recorded in the Bridgewater vital records was born July 3, 1733. While it is possible that Joseph was illegitimate (which was rare in 1700's Massachusetts) and his birth was just not recorded, it seems very unlikely that he was their son. Also, of his 16 known children, none are named Anne, Barnabas, Mehitable, Kezia, Lemuel or Elihu, which itself doesn't mean much but makes it even more unlikely. However, we are probably missing a daughter as his will suggests he had a daughter who married Oliver Brown.

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

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Susan Carey
*Sounds like you should really look into that supplement, I believe there is a New England Historical Society with a copy of it.
  • DAR descendants put Joseph b1732 birth place as Connecticut, his mother Anne had ties to CT & he had other siblings born there.
  • Someone put Anne's death place as MA, but did not give a source for it, family histories put her death place as CT.
  • People are people even in the 1700's, pre marital sex happens, and many times people had to travel miles to find an "official"
  • I find conflicting marriage dates often, so its not impossible that Joseph and Anne's date could have been 1731, rather than 1732.
  • Joseph and Elizabeth named children: Joseph/dad & grandfathers name, Samuel/great grandfathers name, Susan/great grandmothers name and Sarah from Brett line. John, Mary & Joanna all names in Elizabeth's immediate family.

posted by Susan Carey

Any information from a family history or SAR/DAR application means nothing without the sources to back it up. The Connecticut birth place only comes from him being confused with the Joseph Cary b. 1723.

There are multiple books of the Bridgewater, MA vital records showing their marriage as 15 Jun 1732 by Rev. Shaw.

I have not seen any sources for the death dates or places of Joseph or Anne. I also have not seen any sources showing that they ever lived in Connecticut or Dutchess Co., NY or that they had any children other than Barnabas.

posted by Jarrett Boenisch

Meehan-411
Beryl Meehan
When I was updating Absolom Cary's wife Temperance I see this entry beside hers. It seems to say Sarah is widow of Joseph but I suppose she could be a daughter.

SEE Cary-3066 NEW PROFILE - Sarah, Widow of Joseph Carey Year range: 1843-1862 Pension Office Place: Albany, New York, USA Spouse: Sarah Carey. $40 half yearly to about 1848. Joseph Carey in the U.S., Revolutionary War Pensioners, 1801-1815, 1818-1872 By subscription https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/94650:1116?tid=&pid=&queryId=86098b9a0fd8bfc303eb2b8d04b7925e&_phsrc=nLN22&_phstart=successSource

posted by Beryl Meehan
edited by Beryl Meehan

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Susan Carey
I wonder if this could be Absolom's brother Joseph? Her name has been unknown but it is believed that he had a son Daniel and I do have a dna Cary/Carey match that tracks their lineage back to that Joseph.

posted by Susan Carey

This is what I have: Joseph Cary born 4 AUG 1723 in Windham, Connecticut to John Cary and Hannah Thurston married Abigail Hebard/Hibbard 10 Dec 1747 in Scotland, Connecticut. He was not the Joseph Cary who married Elizabeth Storm and did not die in Fishkill, New York. Joseph Cary who was born 22 FEB 1732 in Massachusetts to Joseph Cary and Anne Brett married Elizabeth Storm 6 Jul 1755 in Rumbout (Poughkeepsie), New York. Joseph and Elizabeth's children are as follow: Phebe (Gabriel Smith), Sarah, Mary (Stephen Doty), Joseph (married twice 2nd wife Elizabeth Vincent), Samuel (Susannah Stanton), William, Nathan (Catherine Griffen), Jesse (Philena van Tassel), Thomas (Mary Polly Smith), Joanna, Martha (John Rowlin/Rollins), John (Polly Hilliker), Matthew, Polly (Samuel LaDue), Isaac, and Susan (Joseph McNary).

posted by Paula Cary
edited by Paula Cary

Carey-2223
Susan Carey
Well its bigger than that actually, lol. Joseph 1731 and Joseph 1723 are not the same person and Joseph 1723 , son of John & Hannah married Abigail Hebard in 1747. I have separated Joseph 1723 and added his correct spouse, proposed a merge for the Mary/Polly duplicate. Janice I did not remove the bio on Joseph 1723 ( you did such a beautiful job with it) , perhaps you want to cut and paste it to Joseph 1731 where it belongs? I also didn't touch your sources because the "vague" Joseph sources some of those could be for either Joseph, but you will want to remove the Marriage Source that refers to Elizabeth Storm from Joseph 1723.

posted by Susan Carey
edited by Susan Carey

Sutherland-3758
Janice Sutherland
Seems to have been done for me. No biography to move to correct Joseph.

posted by Janice Sutherland

Sutherland-3758
Janice Sutherland
Cary-1530 and Cary-1297 appear to be the same. but the parents of Joseph need to be validated. There is a mismatch for parents.

posted by Janice Sutherland



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