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Python at ICPC world finals 2017
By redviper, history, 5 weeks ago, In English,

A good news for all the Pythonistas. It has been announced that Python will be among the list of available languages at ACM ICPC world finals — 2017.

Python at ICPC

 
 
 
 
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I am really excited with this news. My upvote for WF Judges and managers.

How are they going to manage the real limitations of python for competitive programming? I imagine there will be an AC solution for every problem in every language (even in python :)

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    Actually no. They explicitly stated that solutions are guaranteed to exists in C++ and Java, there is no such guarantee for Python

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I'm wondering whether TL will depend on the language, or it'll not be ensured that every problems can be solved by Python. I think Python works too slow.

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    I would say for I/O operations definitely. (one should use sys.stdin/sys.stdout rather than print()/input())

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    pypy implementation is about 7 times faster: http://speed.pypy.org/

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    Apparently, the TL will be the same for all languages and the participant must decide what language to use for a particular problem :/

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Excellent! But what about NEERC?

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    I am wondering the same for my region, Is it decision of each one?

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Excellent!!!.. It is good news for all the Pythonistas. And Good Decision ......

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What's the point of using a super inefficient language when algorithmic programming contest are all about performance?

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    Don't hate Java.

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      I don't hate it, I understand people make mistakes.

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    I think main objective of this decision is based in the large amount of children using this language as their primary language in the school. Probably this way will increase their interest for this kind of competition.

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      How many schoolchildren who take their first steps into programming compete at ICPC WF?

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        They hope a lot of them.

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        Zero, but the languages available at the finals affect the languages available at all regional and subregional contests to a certain degree. It might happen that allowing python at these earlier stages of the competition will increase participation (and some of the participants will switch to other languages once they get more serious about the contest), no?

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    I don't know about their consideration, but sometimes there are problems that can be solved in likely 10 ~ 30 lines of Python, and can still pass all testcases even it is 50~100x slower than properly implemented C++ ones.

    For these challenges writing "dirty inefficient but slightly easier to code" C++ solutions made me sick, not to mention OhGodICannotEvenReturnEarlierHowToEfficientlySolveProblemD.java.

    And if this decision spreads, this can discourage problem setters of regional contest from making "can you implement a quick and dirty json.loads in C++" style problems (which are boring).

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Some clarifications from today's coaches' meeting:

  • Time limits depend on the task, not the language.
  • All problems are solvable in C++ and Java, there is no such guarantee for Python.
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Python with all its standard library or a subset of it? Python 2 or 3?? Anybody has any more detail on the subject??

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