Towards the 2008 general election: Let’s Make Workers’ Issues Hi-Viz!
Workers Party national membership drives, August 2006 - November 2007
Throughout August, Workers Party members will be campaigning to increase the national membership base of the Workers Party. During this campaign we will be asking Spark readers, Workers Party supporters, and other progressive-minded people, to join the Workers Party. We are encouraging people to join up as solidarity members, as this will help us stand in the 2008 election. As always, people who want to become more involved in Marxist politics can also join as active members.
Aims of the campaign
Previously, in 2002, and in 2005, we have stood candidates in up to nine electorates. During our election campaigns we challenged the Labour Party and its candidates, and we confronted other parties that seek to maintain capitalist social relations. We want to continue to draw attention to genuine working class issues such as the right of all workers to a living wage, workers’ control over hours of work, opposition to NZ and Western intervention in the Third World, freedom to strike, and equality for women, ethnic minorities, and migrant workers.
One of the aims of our membership drive is to gain enough members so that the Workers Party can receive party votes, as well as electorate votes, in the 2008 general election. This will make the Workers Party more relevant to a number of workers, and help us gain a wider audience for our politics.
We need at least 500 members to entitle us to receive party votes in the next election. In the past we have gained up to 250 members by signing up workmates, students, and sympathisers.
The campaign itself
Between August 2006 and November 2007, we will have a series of campaign months in which we will hold extra stalls and prioritise the signing-up of new people to the party. The first of these campaign months is August 2006. During campaign months each Workers Party branch, and active individual members in small cities, will have a sign-up target to meet.
We want to make sure that genuine worker’s issues are made visible to as many workers and progressive people as possible. In 2008, other left-wing organisations, as always, will again be content with putting forward ‘strategic’ votes for The Greens and for the New Zealand Labour Party. The Workers Party, on the other hand, will use the elections, and the lead up to the elections, to elevate genuine class politics. This approach will be particularly important in the period after the collapse of the Alliance. Objectively, workers’ options are being increasingly polarised between revolutionary politics on the one hand, and the liberal capitalist politics of the Labour Party on the other hand. Also, as a result of the collapse of social democracy, union militants will be required to shift to the political left (revolutionary politics) or to the political right (the Labour Party). Workers Party registration as a ‘list’ party will give such people the opportunity to shift to the political left.
The campaign slogan ‘Let’s Make Workers Issues Hi-Viz’ was chosen by Workers Party members because it relates to the aims of our party in elections, and also because it does not contain all the ultra-revolutionary bluster that far-left organisations often shroud themselves in.
Working as a national organisation
Within our national organisation, Workers Party branches are quite decentralised. The branches take part in different anti-war/anti-imperialist umbrella groups, in different unions, and in different campaigns. A branch that has a higher than usual concentration of students will tend to do more campus work than other branches. Some branches tend to focus on industrial/union work. Also, Spark sales tend to be more of a branch activity than a national activity. In national terms, the most unifying aspect of our work at present is the production of The Spark, which does not involve the majority of our members.
The campaign to gain a membership base of 500 people will help us to function as a more national organisation. While the branches are free to decide how they campaign for more members, the ‘Let’s Make Workers’ Issues Hi-Viz’ campaign should further our national cohesion by compelling existing members to work together to meet the campaign targets.
Join the Workers Party
Solidarity membership costs only one dollar. Supporters or sympathisers can join us wherever we have literature tables, paper sales, or meetings, and wherever we have our fluorescent ‘Let’s Make Workers Issues Hi-Viz’ signs. A membership form can also be downloaded at workersparty.org.nz
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If you are referring to Phil, his appraisal of you, and I use this as an example, was '... is a solid class militant with more than a decade of experience in the working class'. Quite a far cry from what you are implying. J.
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I think most of us are quite supportive of the thoughts expressed in the
"EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH Communist Party Of INDIA(MAOIST)SPOKESPERSON ON NEPAL DEVELOPMENTS "There is need for caution with the present tactics" CPN(Maoists) may be giving over-emphasis to the possibility of advancing the movement through the Constituent Assembly!"
document. At the same time as supporting this kind of view (the view of criticism from a position of support, not from a position of wanting to see the CPN(M) go down), the right media, which WSWS has picked up on and used in their reportage, has told numerous lies, such as the lie that the PLA and militias have disarmed.
I'm not sure where you can find the above interview, becasue the Indian state has shut donw the Peoples March website and done over its offices.
With regard to the UN, this has been CPN(M) policy as long as I can remember. I think it's a tricky situation becasue in the past the western media and *others* have told so many lies about the way in which the Maoist parties of India, Nepal, and Philippines have conducted themselves. It's catch 22, if they don't allow internaitonal supervision the west, including the left, will imply that they are shadey etc. If they do allow international supervision, it's said to be a move to the right. But in fact, they always had the position, and, I htink, have handled the international public relations side of the revolution very very well in comparison to other movments. But really, as a party of the peasants and workers they do not have to be told about the reactionary nature of the UN.
Jared.
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Not to mention that in Hamilton we did the bulk, or nearly all of the Restuarant Brands membership consolidating, and that in Dunedin, did a lot of the recruiting along with Sam, and that a member is now employed here and is in the front lines. J.
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Id be interested for you tell me who this is. I'd also be interested to hear who the peopple were in our organisation that admitted they do not see the relevance of unions. I'm not witch-hunting, but could you email me the names off-list so I can confirm that it is true and debate with them over the question?
BTW, why don't you blame the witch-hunt in CHCH Unite on the perpetrators, not those who were hunted?
"But there is worse still:
In Otahutahi lately, there have been:
early pacifist mobilisations against the war;
campaigns to assist stranded Ukrainian labour hire fishermen;
campaigns to build opposition to the Council’s plans to shut down local pools frequented by workers kids;
and attempts to democratise the EPMU anti-60-days campaign and subject it to rank-and-file control."
Nationally we have been invovlved in 90-day stuff, and very involved in Gaza Strip/Lebanon stuff. To some extent, it's up to the CHCH branhc what they get more or less involved in.
Like Don, I think you're clutching at straws. Do we complain that we are the only group that has handed out leaflets to train workers and the public about the closure of the Northerner? Do we complain that we are the one of the only groups that has orgainsed internationalist Philippines/India/Nepal solidarity meetings? Do we abstain fomr taking leadership roles in student and union politics? Do we not have comrades building for the next 90-day marhc in AK, and for the Stop the War demo? Have we got memebrs giving talks at education Action Group meetings on the Springbok tour?
I think, IWD, that you're being what's known as a hyper-critic. J.
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It also gives seems to give at least one of their gurus a useful self reference, as he tediously slag’s off the rest of the left for being no-hope sell-out’s for not voting for WP/ACA last election.
If WP was remotely likely to make a good showing, perhaps you could forgive them for their energy and impatience. Alas no. Despite all the genuine effort that their members put in last time around, down here at least the ‘fash got a better result.
But there is worse still:
In Otahutahi lately, there have been:
early pacifist mobilisations against the war;
campaigns to assist stranded Ukrainian labour hire fishermen;
campaigns to build opposition to the Council’s plans to shut down local pools frequented by workers kids;
and attempts to democratise the EPMU anti-60-days campaign and subject it to rank-and-file control.
The WP has been absent as an organising force in all of these campaigns, preferring instead to run occasional forums and films in the practically deserted WEA.
Even their members in UNITE are effectively invisible in the local area, given no apparent direction by their more ‘experienced’ group members. They have been easily marginalised and outmaneuvered by the local UNITE bureaucracy, despite their national office positions.
In private conversations some WP members even candidly admit they do not really see the relevance of unions.
“ @narcho-communist” is on the right track.
Unless the parliamentary struggle grows out of campaigns based in workers self-organisation it is destined to go down in disarray. NZ history is littered with little groups that tried to generate a membership base by using the elections. The comrades in the WP should be as well versed in the history of these failed efforts as they seem to be in the arcane practices of the Hare Krisnas.
Inevitably someone in WP will reflexively jump in to refute these “scurrilous accusations”, but WP members must surely realise the awful truth. Despite the grandiose membership claims, if you can’t run serious local organising campaigns then your group ain’t got legs.
Since the collapse of the WP’s ‘united front’ efforts following their merger of the ACA back into the Workers Party, they have withdrawn from struggle to bask in abstract party-building.
We don’t need another CL style clique in Otahutahi, let alone the rest on Aotearoa, and the faster the WP membership pull their gurus back on track and get stuck into some real campaigning, the better.
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Easy enough to draw up a list of several dozen worthy struggles in any town that this or that group - or individual activist - is not involved in.
Who are the "little groups that NZ history is littered with who tried to generate a membership base by using the elections" ?
I can't think of any socialist group in the last 40 years fitting such a description. Socialist Action often stood for parliament, but as an activity secondary to other party building activity. The CPNZ stood no candidates in its later years; in the '70s it tended to write parliament off completely. The Socialist Unity Party habitually stood candidates, but concentrated all its serious effort on gaining union positions. Socialst Worker stood no candidates. The Workers Communist League never stood any candidates. It did, at the end of its run, engineer one confused opportunist election effort under the name People First. The People's Party in Wellington stood a candidate, I think twice. McGillycuddy Serious stood quite a few condidates, but either as a joke, or as an attempt to raise some anarchist issues. Not one of these groups was trying to use general elections to build a membership base.
So who was?
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I don't reckon so. History is full of instances and situations in which there have been vigorous campaigns around single issues, including very important single issues, which have built up and then lost momentum becasue the movments were not based on *generalised* anti-imperialism. We would argue that we need to build a party and play a leading role through that party on various issues. This does not mean we seek to take-over issues organisationally (although this is the approach of some organisations, an is undemocratic), but that seek to provide the most advanced analysis, as well as doing *some* leg work to build movements. This does not mean that we think we always 'do' have the most advanced analysis, as is sometimes proved to us.
The other thing about your question is the role of contradictory consiousness, a Gramscian term. A male worker might get behind a pay issue but not a woman's issue, and woman might get behind a woman's issue but not a pay issue, and a worker may want more pay while supporting the occupation of Iraq. That kind of consciousness, according to Gramsci, results in a society that accentuates many differnet oppressions. The role of a party is to show the masses how the issues relate, ie through a common oppressor, and to gfight that oppressor at the national/international/abstract/ideological level.
In saying all this, I do think you are prefectly right to criticise the tendency towards inward-looking activity, and pure organisation builing that some groups get into.
I think that by getting out there and talking to people, we are avoiding the intravert style of some organisations.
"making workers issues hi-viz is a noble cause sadly the WP is going the wrong way about it. campaigns should be firstly about getting people to think for themselves about worker issues rather than to just join some partys membership base."
We think this approach downplays the importance of political organising alongside educating. And your criticism here 'just join some party's memerbship base' is a very very stark interpretation of what we are aiming to do.
I think that the dominant thought amongst union militants and leftists is towards a kind of individualism, and i think that is symptomatic of the fact that the working class is weak at the moment. I think this manifests as a problem in many areas, such as inability to take on problematic union leaderships (because union radicals are not united), and such as the inability to win local workers to international issues (because one set of people is approached for various international campaigns, and another set of people is approached for local working class campaigns). But htese are just examples. J.
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Well, yes, because that was not my argument. In each case those parties minor involvement in parliamentary elections was at best periferal to their main party building strategies. The SUP recruited from the unions and by offering free trips to Eastern Europe. Before it slipped into a confused state of liberalism, the WCL recruited from factories, offices and the campus. Our strategy was to build a network of worksite based cells. The WCL made no election attempt in its own name and undertook little special activity at election times.
For years the CPNZ took a new left anarchist attitude to "the circus of parliament"
The SAL I know less about, but they seemed to be focussed far more on mass paper sales, workplace sub selling, youth work and united front activity than election campaigning.
In sum, I disagree with your suggestion that left groups prioritised election campaigning as a party building strategy. That, I think is more of a British disease; other political viruses are of more concern to us.
"Then of course there are the not-so-little groups like the Alliance, which I am surprised you didn’t mention."
You shouldn't be surprised. In my view, the Alliance has never been a socialist group.There were, as you mention, intitial early efforts by various leftists to use the Alliance as some sort of new left vehicle. I was party to that mistake, as was just about everyone else in town except the CPNZ.
At the time I thought this might be the start of a new mass workers movement, I was wrong. Anderton put his stamp on things very early by expelling the PRG, and it became apparent that this was just another social democratic parliamentary effort, with the gaining of seats elevated above any cause or principle. I believe the Alliance maintains that outlook to this day, because of illusions about the "power" of parliament.
We'll see how the Workers Party workers issues campaign develops in practice. Your assertion that we're "basking in abstract party building" resonates with me as repetition of an old activity, namely hostility to party building of any kind. That dogma, I think, is a widespread and largely unrecognised weakness of the New Zealand left.
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Thank you.
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Unlike some anarchists I actually work on the presumption that we're all on the same side here - the revolutionaries, the anti-theory hyper-activists, the unaffiliated lifestyle radicals *and* all the well-meaning liberal folk who believe corporate capitalism can be gently and subtly tweaked to make everything ok. Which side are we on? Whichever side the likes of that Redwatch guy *isn't* on.
(I've removed this link since I don't want to boost the viscious loser's pagerank)
>> but really mate f a perfectly civil question is "some sort of spanish inquisition" to you, you need to get out a bit more. <<
Oh come on Don - it's a Monty Python bit - "bring out... the comfy chair!" Please, PLEASE don't let it look like those old stereotypes about humourless marxists are true. Even Grant Morgan can kid around and I was sure an entertainer of your calibre would know a Python reference when you saw one.
But let's get done to bass tacks. I'm not opposed to the strategy of using elections to raise issues (especially local elections) or even to inject trouble-makers into representative bodies. I'm not opposed to building revolutionary organisations and involve myself in some although of course in a different style to the WP. Indymedia is an example of the sort of revolutionary 'party' (*cough*, *splutter*) I see as an alternative to the 'single-issue campaigns without continuity' problem (as mentioned by JP).
But I just think it's a sad thing to build a party around elections and call it revolutionary. It isn't. It's a reformist strategy that like all reformist strategies supported by revolutionists might well contribute something to the day-to-day struggle to bring about a post-capitalist society.
Personally I think it's better to conduct such activity in the company of a broad church of leftists/ radicals through a vehicle like the Alliance or the Greens which can include and benefit from the participation of people who havn't been convinced to nail their revolutionary colours to the mast yet. Also by being involved they get the chance to see first hand exactly how representative 'democracy' fails us and might be convinced to become involved in more explicitly anti-capitalist organising. I can think of at least one person who has done this.
The problem is summed up well in the 'last issue' of UK Class War:
flag.blackened.net/revolt/cwar/cw_second.html
They basically said they are opposed to representative democracy (as an essental component of modern capitalism) and yet the best they had done thus far was function as an outsider 'party' with the same internal divisions and heirarchies and ultra-specialisation as your standard political party but *without* the resources to make it sustainable.
I'm still determined to be part of changing the world for the better but to be honest I can't motivate myself to go to endless demos and meetings. I certainly don't feel any motivation to go back to the political party styles I was disillusioned with by the time I was a teenager. I think it's essential to work on understanding the society we live in, its patterns and cycles, how our daily lives maintain it and I think it would be foolish to dismiss Marx's historical contribution to this. But there have been plenty of important thinkers since Marx, Berkman and Goldman, the Situationists, those autonomist Marxist guys (Negri, Cleaver et al), Fredy Perlman, Hakim Bey, Bob Black. I think dismissing the whole post-modern analysis is as much throwing the baby out with the bath water as dismissing Marx would be.
We need to understand how our lives individually and collectively reproduce this *system* (capitalism, corporatism, dictatorship, oligarchy, call it what you will) and then *change* the way we spend our lives, our time, our labour, our trains of thought, our interactions with media. Obviously just one person doing this will get swept away or simply ignored as an 'eccentric' but groups of people making incrementally larger breaks with the routines of wage slave/ consumer life and inspiring others to do the same (by joining them or starting something similiar - it doesn't matter) might just shift things which of course is where revolutionary organisation comes in.
If you're in Wellington come in to Oblong and have a look at the display about the Spanish revolution. There's some fascinating details of the way collectivisation of Spanish society's organs by its people took place. Also come and check out 'the Power of Community - How Cuba Survived Peak Oil' playing at the Film Archive this weekend. I'm keen to see where the discussions afterwards go.
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!!! So the fact that we have members heavily involved in the NDU ShelfRespect and Unite Supersizemypay campaigns is "abstract party-building". Also in Dunedin, Wellngton and Auckland we have participated and in some cases also helped to organise protests against the Israeli invasion.
In Christchurch it seems that the Peace Action Network has failed to organise anything, and although the small WP branch there (mainly full-time workers) didn't have the numbers or resources to call a demo on its own they did organise a public meeting on the University of Canterbury campus which attracted over 40 people.
Needless to say I'm not trying to suggest that WP are the only activists doing worthwhile campaign work, but to say as IWD does that we make zero contribution to the class struggle is simply not on and reflects poorly on that individuals' credibility.
On of the main reasons why WP decided to launch the "Hi-Viz" campaign is that in the past we have been so totally involved in campaigning that we have actually been quite sloppy on the nuts and bolts organisational stuff and made no concerted effort to recruit. The fact that we are now trying to establish some additional organisational priorities to ensure all of that activism doesn't just dissipate after each campaign ends hardly makes us abstentionist though!
How about some constructive debate on the merits of using bourgeois elections as a platform for getting socialist ideas out to a wider audience, rather than just a petty slanging match?
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Dear Comrades/Citizens,Hello Jared Phillips of the Workers Party of New Zealand from C.Bruce Milne of the Alliance Party.Is it possible for each of us to be dual members of each others parties.Why dont we join forces as I do know that your electorate voters would have been our Alliance Party List voters along with those electorate Communist League etc voters as well.Your initial membership target should be every WPNZ/Anti-Capitalist Alliance electorate voter as a good kick starter.Every one reading this blog should know that in this year 2006 are elections for my Waipa Networks Trust+the Auckland Energy Consumer Trust (additionally it is also Waipa Constituency,Waikato Regional Council Bye-election).In 2007 Council/Health Boardsetc.In 2008 Parliament/Wel Energy Trust etc elections to complete a continuous annual cycle of elections to keep us out of mischief-so where are you in terms of that one?You should be listed on the www.hamilton.co.nz/living hamilton/clubs and organisations directory as the Workers Party & Unite Union etc website contact.Similarly try www.azdirect.co.nz,Telecom,UBD directories etc.Yours Fraternally,C.Bruce Milne.C.B.Milne.
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Glad you approve of the slogan Strypey, but really mate if a perfectly civil question is "some sort of spanish inquisition" to you, you need to get out a bit more.
Yeah, we're going to continue running for parliament, and local government too, we've found the process of doing so provides extra forums for our views. One of which is to expose the limitations of parliament. We'll also keep doing all the other protest stuff, union stuff and other things we do.
"Hare Krishna's are principally concerned with "pleasure seeking"
This is a total misrepresentation. HKs are not allowed to take intoxicants, gamble, have sex or eat meat. If by "pleasure" you mean wearing a giant nappy and chanting while fondling beads all day when you're not selling books or cooking or washing dishes...
But putting that aside are you saying there's something wrong with enjoying your life because you happened to be born under the wrong political system? Surely that's a pretty counter-productive assumption for growing membership? Wanted: boring, joyless, anal retentives for constant flyering, picketing, paper sales, stalls, meetings, conferences - socialists not socialites!"
Well, "pleasure seeking" IS their own term for it and I can sort of see what they mean. I used to chant myself into a stupor once in a while when I was a hippy, it was a cheap stone.
However, if you want to sign up to the Workers Party you can gamble, take intoxicants and have consensual sex with whoever you like just for the fun of it. You can even eat meat if that's your thing. And try some of the other cool stuff too. Who knows, you might be like me and find paper selling is more fun than listening to Mantovani albums.
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I think if you look at what we're trying to do over all it is not aptly summarised as building a party around elections. Participation in bourgeoise political processess is always going to be secondary to us.
I think a party building strategy dependent on a parliamentary focus is reformist and futile. And boring.
I'll pop into Oblong if time allows.
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wouldnt a better way to do draw attention to these issues be to actually build campaigns around these issues rather than dedicate so much time trying to sign people up to the party. making workers issues hi-viz is a noble cause sadly the WP is going the wrong way about it. campaigns should be firstly about getting people to think for themselves about worker issues rather than to just join some partys membership base.
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I think more of a swipe than a joke, but if that's how you intended it...
"Once a group makes a decision to fit within the parlourmintary framework it makes sense. Let's not kid ourselves there's anything revolutionary about setting up a small parlourmintary party."
We don't fit within the parliamentary framework. But we do have certain electoral perspectives that differ from most of the left, ie actually having a strategy towards elections and national politics. Ansd using the elctions to raise genuine workers' issues is only one small aspect of our work.
The groups that give electoral support to the New Zealand Labour Party and The Greens should be encouraged to re-check theri positions. J.
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(…of parties who have used the elections to build their membership base).
i.e.: Socialist Action, CPNZ, Socialist Unity Party, Workers Communist League / Peoples First. (Remember they were Maoists, and tended to like to operate through front organisations…)
Your throwaway comments that the SAL, the early CPNZ and the SUP somehow did electioneering as a “secondary” activity, i.e.: for reasons other than gaining a hearing for their politics and therefore their parties are hard to understand.
All these groups professed Leninism which has at core the idea of ‘building the party” (and other things of course). It’s a bit hard to see why this wouldn’t be the case in elections.
Anyway, I would add to your list:
The CL who always run a few candidates here and there,
The Socialist Alliance, which stood candidates in CHCH and in Wellington as a substitute for having a base in the labour movement or unions).
Then there would also be the Newtown Socialists who were heavily involved in the 80’s in the Peoples Party, as you mentioned.
Also, I agree that the WCL seemed to be at the forefront of engineering that Peoples-First thingy (which for the record, was a load of old bollocks). But then I recall there were plenty of other non-WCL-Wellington lefties in bed with them at the time (and a few others besides) who thought that this would be their ticket to build an anti-LP parliamentary front and usher in the revolution.
(Don, do you also remember some very musical guy treating the conference to “the sun is red in the east” in apparently fluent Mandarin?).
Then of course there are the not-so-little groups like the Alliance, which I am surprised you didn’t mention.
Despite its early capture by Matt McCarten and Jim Anderton, when the Alliance first formed it was built and supported by legions of self proclaimed socialists. They were attracted to the Alliance because it was the latest and largest attempt to use parliament to galvanise an opposition to the betrayals of labour. Alliance was the largest because it was the culmination of the collapse of all those earlier less successful efforts to mobilise via the elections in the absence of a organic workers opposition..
I recall stirring scenes as the Weasels and the Pergs (PRG) tried to take control of the Alliance industrial caucus at the Founding Conference; the CWG (then known as the Commo’ Left) vehemently denouncing the attempts of the leadership to do something or other that conflicted with the socialist objectives of the membership. The CL were there, and some nutty Sparty types from Australia. And there were plenty of other socialists and others battling it out against the top table in the enviro’ and other caucuses.
Moral of the story: None of these efforts were rooted in the organisation of the workers in their communities and their workplaces. All eventually foundered and folded.
If these efforts had been based on an alliance of campaigning workers parties, organisation and unions, then I think the results would have been a whole lot different.
Actually, I have no problem with the socialists running in elections, but as the late Mr. Einstein reputedly remarked, the definition of an idiot is someone who endlessly repeats the same activity, forever expecting an entirely different outcome.
Let’s not be idiots, that’s all.
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Very cynical comment, but there is no mention of 'book sale targets'. This is about becoming more organised (which is probably a principle you oppose), not selling books. We do sell magazines and pamphlets at about cost price though.
I know you don't agree with the idea of building a revolutionary party, but once a group makes a serious decision to build a revolutionary party, it should probably set membership targets.
Best, Jared.
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Hi there Colin,
We have discussed this before, and we said that we didn't think it was possible for us to work with The Alliance, becasue of the political differences between them and the Workers Party. If the Workers Party were a parliamentry party, it could probably try to arrange something with The Alliance, but this is not the case.
Hypothetically, The Alliance would probably not want to join with us because revoluionary politics, stuff like 'open borders', stuff that requires going beyond capitliasm, would alienate remaining Alliance members.
As far as the CL goes, a couple of years ago they wouldn't even work with us to write a submission urging AUSA to allow space for left stalls at AK uni campus.
I realise you are now the only Alliance member in the Waikato region, and how isolating that must be. But I think the Alliance implosion should indicate that you might move into different politics.
Thanks, Jared.
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This is just sad. I crack a joke and you have to turn it into an anarchist vs marxist thing. Shall we both start foaming at the mouth and ranting about Kronstadt now?
"I know you don't agree with the idea of building a revolutionary party, but once a group makes a serious decision to build a revolutionary party, it should probably set membership targets."
Once a group makes a decision to fit within the parlourmintary framework it makes sense. Let's not kid ourselves there's anything revolutionary about setting up a small parlourmintary party.
"What do you think about the tactic of making workers issues hi viz?"
I didn't expect a sort of spanish inquisition...
But yeah it's a prefectly servicable slogan. What are you going to do about it? Run for parlourmint? Great...
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Actually no, I would have expected that to, but when I analysed the vote stats after the last election I found that among people who gave their candidate vote to the WP (then the ACA) the party vote split down something like 31% Labour, 30% Green, 12% National, and about 4% Alliance.
People vote in strange ways, one person voted ACA-Libertarianz and a handfull of people voted ACA-Destiny NZ
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This is a total misrepresentation. HKs are not allowed to take intoxicants, gamble, have sex or eat meat. If by "pleasure" you mean wearing a giant nappy and chanting while fondling beads all day when you're not selling books or cooking or washing dishes...
But putting that aside are you saying there's something wrong with enjoying your life because you happened to be born under the wrong political system? Surely that's a pretty counter-productive assumption for growing membership? Wanted: boring, joyless, anal retentives for constant flyering, picketing, paper sales, stalls, meetings, conferences - socialists not socialites!
Re: Workers Party: Let’s Make Workers’ Issues Hi-Viz!
Hare Krishna's are principally concerned with "pleasure seeking" - their own description of Krishna kaupapa - in the midst of all the capitalist shit.
We're about trying to help get rid of the shit.
What do you think about the tactic of making workers issues hi viz?