WEBVTT 00:00:53.286 --> 00:00:54.421 GOOD MORNING. I'M GOING TO CALL 00:00:54.487 --> 00:00:55.622 TO ORDER THE SENATE COMMITTEE 00:00:55.688 --> 00:00:57.123 ON PRIVACY, DIGITAL 00:00:57.190 --> 00:00:58.658 TECHNOLOGIES AND CONSUMER 00:00:58.725 --> 00:01:01.528 PROTECTION. TODAY WILL BE OUR 00:01:01.594 --> 00:01:03.596 FINAL HEARING OF THIS OF THIS 00:01:03.663 --> 00:01:04.964 CYCLE. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL 00:01:05.031 --> 00:01:07.867 BILLS ON CALENDAR. WE HAVE 00:01:07.934 --> 00:01:09.035 BILLS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR 00:01:09.102 --> 00:01:10.036 CONSENT, WHICH WE WILL TAKE UP 00:01:10.103 --> 00:01:11.871 AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. THE 00:01:11.938 --> 00:01:14.607 FILE ITEM 5AB2504 BAUER-KAHAN 00:01:14.674 --> 00:01:17.410 AND FILE ITEM 142545 BY 00:01:17.477 --> 00:01:21.314 ASSEMBLY MEMBER. SHABO. AND WE 00:01:21.381 --> 00:01:22.615 DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. WE'LL 00:01:22.682 --> 00:01:24.083 BEGIN AS A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND WE 00:01:24.150 --> 00:01:25.885 DO HAVE AN AUTHOR PRESENT. 00:01:25.952 --> 00:01:26.853 ASSEMBLY MEMBER BAUER-KAHAN 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.756 WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT A B 00:01:29.823 --> 00:01:36.429 302? WELCOME. AND WHENEVER 00:01:36.496 --> 00:01:38.031 YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU. GOOD 00:01:38.097 --> 00:01:39.532 MORNING, MR. CHAIR. HOPEFULLY 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:40.600 YOUR OTHER AUTHORS ARE ON THEIR 00:01:40.667 --> 00:01:45.705 WAY. I WILL START, AS YOU 00:01:45.772 --> 00:01:48.942 MENTIONED, WITH A B 302. GOOD 00:01:49.008 --> 00:01:51.044 MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND VICE 00:01:51.110 --> 00:01:52.846 CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK THE 00:01:52.912 --> 00:01:53.980 COMMITTEE STAFF FOR THEIR WORK 00:01:54.047 --> 00:01:57.417 ON THIS BILL AND. DID I GIVE 00:01:57.484 --> 00:01:58.985 YOU PERMISSION? NO, I DON'T 00:01:59.052 --> 00:02:00.186 THINK SO. MERELY NOTING, AND I 00:02:00.253 --> 00:02:01.221 SHOULD HAVE NOTED FOR THE 00:02:01.287 --> 00:02:04.157 RECORD AS WELL, SUBSTITUTING 00:02:04.224 --> 00:02:05.558 TODAY BY ORDER OF THE RULES 00:02:05.625 --> 00:02:06.593 COMMITTEE AS OUR AS OUR 00:02:06.659 --> 00:02:07.727 COMMITTEE MEMBER AND VICE CHAIR 00:02:07.794 --> 00:02:09.796 AS SENATOR IN LIEU OF SENATOR 00:02:09.863 --> 00:02:11.865 JONES. OH, OKAY. SO IT IS A 00:02:11.931 --> 00:02:13.733 PROMOTION. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:18.071 SATO. I WANT TO THANK STAFF, AS 00:02:18.137 --> 00:02:19.706 ALWAYS, FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON 00:02:19.772 --> 00:02:21.674 THIS BILL AND EVERY BILL. 00:02:21.741 --> 00:02:23.142 REALLY APPRECIATE THE 00:02:23.209 --> 00:02:24.244 PARTNERSHIP OUR COMMITTEES HAVE 00:02:24.310 --> 00:02:25.478 BEEN ABLE TO HAVE OVER THE LAST 00:02:25.545 --> 00:02:27.313 SIX MONTHS ON BILLS ACROSS THE 00:02:27.380 --> 00:02:28.515 PRIVACY SPACE. WITH THAT, I'M 00:02:28.581 --> 00:02:30.350 PROUD TO PRESENT A B 302, WHICH 00:02:30.416 --> 00:02:31.417 PROTECTS MINORS FROM ADDICTIVE 00:02:31.484 --> 00:02:33.319 FEEDS IN TWO WAYS. IT PROHIBITS 00:02:33.386 --> 00:02:34.687 A SCHOOL FROM EXCLUDING A 00:02:34.754 --> 00:02:35.788 STUDENT FROM PARTICIPATING IN 00:02:35.855 --> 00:02:37.490 ANY EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITY, 00:02:37.557 --> 00:02:38.858 INCLUDING SPORTS AND CLUBS, DUE 00:02:38.925 --> 00:02:40.393 TO STUDENTS NOT HAVING OR USING 00:02:40.460 --> 00:02:41.828 ADDICTIVE FEEDS. AND IT 00:02:41.895 --> 00:02:42.929 PROHIBITS SCHOOLS FROM USING 00:02:42.996 --> 00:02:44.364 ADDICTIVE FEEDS AS THE ONLY 00:02:44.430 --> 00:02:45.999 MEANS OR CONTACT WITH A STUDENT 00:02:46.065 --> 00:02:47.500 OR THE PARENTS OR GUARDIANS OF 00:02:47.567 --> 00:02:49.035 A STUDENT. AND THIS BILL WAS 00:02:49.102 --> 00:02:50.503 REALLY BORN OUT OF MY OWN 00:02:50.570 --> 00:02:51.571 EXPERIENCE AS A PARENT. MY 00:02:51.638 --> 00:02:53.039 DAUGHTER IS STARTING AT A NEW 00:02:53.106 --> 00:02:54.841 HIGH SCHOOL IN THE FALL, AND I 00:02:54.908 --> 00:02:56.009 PROMPTLY LEARNED THAT IN ORDER 00:02:56.075 --> 00:02:57.644 FOR HER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE 00:02:57.710 --> 00:02:58.778 TENNIS PROGRAM, SHE HAD TO BE 00:02:58.845 --> 00:03:01.648 ON INSTAGRAM. WHICH FLOORED ME 00:03:01.714 --> 00:03:03.783 BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY 00:03:03.850 --> 00:03:04.884 SOCIAL MEDIA WAS NECESSARY FOR 00:03:04.951 --> 00:03:06.252 HER TO BE AN ATHLETE. I WAS 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:07.487 OBVIOUSLY AN ATHLETE BEFORE THE 00:03:07.554 --> 00:03:09.289 AGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA. I MADE IT 00:03:09.355 --> 00:03:11.024 TO EVERY SINGLE PRACTICE AND 00:03:11.090 --> 00:03:13.493 SWIM MEET ON TIME. AND SO I 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:14.761 STARTED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT 00:03:14.827 --> 00:03:16.396 THIS. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT UP 00:03:16.462 --> 00:03:17.830 AND DOWN THE STATE SCHOOLS ARE 00:03:17.897 --> 00:03:18.865 DOING THIS. THEY'RE USING 00:03:18.932 --> 00:03:21.768 SOCIAL MEDIA OR SNAPCHAT OR 00:03:21.834 --> 00:03:23.603 OTHER MECHANISMS IN ORDER TO 00:03:23.670 --> 00:03:24.304 COMMUNICATE WITH STUDENTS 00:03:24.370 --> 00:03:26.773 RATHER THAN USING EMAIL, TEXT 00:03:26.839 --> 00:03:28.441 MESSAGE OR LESS ADDICTIVE MEANS. 00:03:28.508 --> 00:03:30.443 AND SO THIS BILL IS VERY 00:03:30.510 --> 00:03:31.544 NARROWLY TAILORED TO SAY THAT 00:03:31.611 --> 00:03:32.679 THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE SOCIAL 00:03:32.745 --> 00:03:34.614 MEDIA, BUT IT CAN'T BE THE ONLY 00:03:34.681 --> 00:03:35.748 MEANS. I LEARNED FROM ONE 00:03:35.815 --> 00:03:37.450 STUDENT IN OUR LOCAL DISTRICT 00:03:37.517 --> 00:03:38.585 THAT SHE WAS ACTUALLY BLOCKED 00:03:38.651 --> 00:03:39.719 FROM BEING IN THE LEADERSHIP 00:03:39.786 --> 00:03:41.454 PROGRAM BECAUSE SHE HAD MADE A 00:03:41.521 --> 00:03:42.455 DECISION FOR HERSELF THAT 00:03:42.522 --> 00:03:43.590 INSTAGRAM WAS NOT A HEALTHY 00:03:43.656 --> 00:03:44.724 CHOICE. AND SO THIS WOULD NOT 00:03:44.791 --> 00:03:46.459 THEY COULDN'T BLOCK A STUDENT 00:03:46.526 --> 00:03:47.460 FROM PARTICIPATING. AND THEY 00:03:47.527 --> 00:03:48.728 HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OTHER 00:03:48.795 --> 00:03:50.463 MEANS OF COMMUNICATING THAT IS 00:03:50.530 --> 00:03:51.464 NOT ADDICTIVE. PRETTY SIMPLE 00:03:51.531 --> 00:03:53.066 BILL, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE 00:03:53.132 --> 00:03:55.268 IT OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE AND 00:03:55.335 --> 00:03:56.336 ENSURE THAT STUDENTS HAVE 00:03:56.402 --> 00:03:57.437 CHOICE ON WHETHER TO BE ON 00:03:57.503 --> 00:03:58.571 THESE ADDICTIVE FEEDS OR NOT. 00:03:58.638 --> 00:04:00.340 WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK 00:04:00.406 --> 00:04:02.075 FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. ARE 00:04:02.141 --> 00:04:03.576 THERE ANY TENNIS PLAYERS, 00:04:03.643 --> 00:04:04.777 LEADERSHIP, CLASS MEMBERS, OR 00:04:04.844 --> 00:04:06.412 ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO PROVIDE 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.214 TESTIMONY ON AB 302? IF SO, 00:04:08.281 --> 00:04:10.016 PLEASE COME FORWARD AND YOU'LL, 00:04:10.083 --> 00:04:13.386 AS LEAD WITNESSES. OKAY. ANYONE 00:04:13.453 --> 00:04:15.021 ELSE WISH TO REGISTER THEIR 00:04:15.088 --> 00:04:16.522 SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? AND 00:04:16.589 --> 00:04:19.025 PLEASE SHARE WITH US YOUR NAME, 00:04:19.092 --> 00:04:20.460 AFFILIATION, IF ANYTHING, IF 00:04:20.526 --> 00:04:21.928 ANY, BUT NOT YOUR LOBBYING FIRM 00:04:21.995 --> 00:04:23.363 AND YOUR POSITION ON THE BILL 00:04:23.429 --> 00:04:24.564 KRISTOL STRAIGHT WITH COMMON 00:04:24.631 --> 00:04:27.767 SENSE MEDIA AND SUPPORT. THANK 00:04:27.834 --> 00:04:30.903 YOU. ANYONE ELSE? LET'S TURN TO 00:04:30.970 --> 00:04:32.438 OPPOSITION. DOES ANYONE WISH TO 00:04:32.505 --> 00:04:34.941 TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION TO AB 32? 00:04:35.008 --> 00:04:36.376 DOES ANYONE WISH TO REGISTER 00:04:36.442 --> 00:04:38.478 THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE BILL? 00:04:38.544 --> 00:04:39.879 SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN TO THE 00:04:39.946 --> 00:04:40.747 COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, 00:04:40.813 --> 00:04:42.048 COMMENTS OR EMOTION. SENATOR 00:04:42.115 --> 00:04:43.316 SUHARTO, THANK YOU AND THANK 00:04:43.383 --> 00:04:45.318 YOU FOR YOUR BILL. MY DAUGHTER 00:04:45.385 --> 00:04:46.986 WAS A HIGH SCHOOL TENNIS PLAYER. 00:04:47.053 --> 00:04:48.021 SHE. THEY MANAGED TO PUT 00:04:48.087 --> 00:04:49.222 TOGETHER A PRETTY GOOD TEAM 00:04:49.288 --> 00:04:51.457 WITHOUT ALL OF THAT STUFF BEING 00:04:51.524 --> 00:04:53.292 REQUIRED. THEY ALL COMMUNICATED 00:04:53.359 --> 00:04:55.762 WELL. AND AND THEY ALL DID WELL. 00:04:55.828 --> 00:04:58.231 SO. SO ANYWAY, I'M PLEASED TO 00:04:58.297 --> 00:05:00.199 SUPPORT YOUR BILL WHEN IT WHEN 00:05:00.266 --> 00:05:02.168 IT COMES UP FOR A VOTE. THANK 00:05:02.235 --> 00:05:07.940 YOU SENATOR. ALL RIGHT. SENATOR 00:05:08.007 --> 00:05:09.442 KAINE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE 00:05:09.509 --> 00:05:10.543 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE 00:05:10.610 --> 00:05:11.678 WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT? ALL 00:05:11.744 --> 00:05:13.513 RIGHT. WE WILL ASK FOR THE 00:05:13.579 --> 00:05:15.515 MOTION WHEN THE WHEN WE HAVE A 00:05:15.581 --> 00:05:16.716 QUORUM AT THAT TIME, THE MOTION 00:05:16.783 --> 00:05:18.518 WILL BE DO PASS, AS AMENDED. 00:05:18.584 --> 00:05:19.719 AND THOSE ARE THE AMENDMENTS 00:05:19.786 --> 00:05:20.753 THAT THE AUTHOR AGREED TO IN 00:05:20.820 --> 00:05:22.522 THE IN THE SENATE EDUCATION 00:05:22.588 --> 00:05:23.523 COMMITTEE THAT HAVE BEEN 00:05:23.589 --> 00:05:24.757 FORWARDED TO TO US. THANK YOU. 00:05:24.824 --> 00:05:25.858 ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, THEN, 00:05:25.925 --> 00:05:28.194 WE'LL TURN TO THE NEXT BILL, 00:05:28.261 --> 00:05:30.630 WHICH IS AB 1705. PERFECT. 00:05:30.697 --> 00:05:32.832 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND 00:05:32.899 --> 00:05:34.367 SENATORS. AND AGAIN, THANK THE 00:05:34.434 --> 00:05:35.435 COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK ON 00:05:35.501 --> 00:05:37.203 THIS ONE. THIS ONE TOOK MORE 00:05:37.270 --> 00:05:38.071 CONVERSATIONS THAN THE LAST, 00:05:38.137 --> 00:05:39.739 AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THEM. 00:05:39.806 --> 00:05:40.940 WITH THAT, I'M PROUD TO PRESENT 00:05:41.007 --> 00:05:43.009 AB 1705, THE RECLAIM ACT. IT'S 00:05:43.076 --> 00:05:44.043 A BIPARTISAN EFFORT WITH MY 00:05:44.110 --> 00:05:45.445 COLLEAGUE AND JOINT AUTHOR, 00:05:45.511 --> 00:05:47.246 ASSEMBLYMEMBER DIXON, AND IT 00:05:47.313 --> 00:05:49.015 CARRIES ON HER WORK FROM LAST 00:05:49.082 --> 00:05:51.150 YEAR. AB 1705 ESTABLISHES A 00:05:51.217 --> 00:05:53.086 MEANINGFUL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR 00:05:53.152 --> 00:05:54.854 PLATFORMS BY REQUIRING 00:05:54.921 --> 00:05:56.255 OPERATORS OF WEBSITES WHERE YOU 00:05:56.322 --> 00:05:58.458 COULD UPLOAD NON-CONSENSUAL 00:05:58.524 --> 00:06:00.359 PORNOGRAPHY TO VERIFY THAT THAT 00:06:00.426 --> 00:06:02.295 THAT THEY HAVE CONSENT FOR THAT 00:06:02.361 --> 00:06:04.864 SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT. 00:06:04.931 --> 00:06:06.365 CURRENTLY, THE LAW ENSURES THAT 00:06:06.432 --> 00:06:07.867 IF INDIVIDUALS ARE DEPICTED IN 00:06:07.934 --> 00:06:10.303 A NON-CONSENSUAL PORNOGRAPHIC 00:06:10.369 --> 00:06:11.270 MANNER, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO 00:06:11.337 --> 00:06:13.039 HAVE THAT IMAGE TAKEN DOWN. BUT 00:06:13.106 --> 00:06:15.041 BY THE TIME THEY ASK FOR IT TO 00:06:15.108 --> 00:06:16.242 BE TAKEN DOWN AND IT'S TAKEN 00:06:16.309 --> 00:06:17.977 DOWN OFTEN, IT HAS PROLIFERATED 00:06:18.044 --> 00:06:19.045 ACROSS THE INTERNET. AND SO 00:06:19.112 --> 00:06:20.313 THIS TAKES A PROACTIVE APPROACH 00:06:20.379 --> 00:06:21.981 BY SAYING, IF A PICTURE IS 00:06:22.048 --> 00:06:23.616 BEING UPLOADED THAT CONTAINS 00:06:23.683 --> 00:06:25.418 PORNOGRAPHY, IT IS INCUMBENT 00:06:25.485 --> 00:06:26.886 UPON THE PLATFORM TO ENSURE 00:06:26.953 --> 00:06:28.554 THERE'S CONSENT CONSENT OF ALL 00:06:28.621 --> 00:06:31.858 DEPICTED INDIVIDUALS. WITH THAT, 00:06:31.924 --> 00:06:36.095 I RESPECT I. I DON'T KNOW IF 00:06:36.162 --> 00:06:37.196 THE AMENDMENTS ARE BEING TAKEN 00:06:37.263 --> 00:06:39.098 HERE, BUT IF THEY ARE, I ACCEPT 00:06:39.165 --> 00:06:41.300 THEM. I THINK. DID THEY GET 00:06:41.367 --> 00:06:43.770 PROCESSED IN TIME? I'LL BE 00:06:43.836 --> 00:06:45.204 ACCEPTING COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. 00:06:45.271 --> 00:06:48.374 PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 00:06:48.441 --> 00:06:50.209 ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY 00:06:50.276 --> 00:06:52.845 WITNESSES IN SUPPORT? DOES 00:06:52.912 --> 00:06:54.480 ANYONE WISH TO REGISTER THEIR 00:06:54.547 --> 00:06:59.352 SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? KIM STONE 00:06:59.418 --> 00:07:00.686 ON BEHALF OF THE DISTRICT 00:07:00.753 --> 00:07:01.754 ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION. THANK 00:07:01.821 --> 00:07:04.590 YOU. OLIVIA HERRERA, ON BEHALF 00:07:04.657 --> 00:07:05.758 OF THE CALIFORNIA DISTRICT 00:07:05.825 --> 00:07:06.959 ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. THANK 00:07:07.026 --> 00:07:11.130 YOU. THEY FELT STRONGLY JAZEERA 00:07:11.197 --> 00:07:12.532 ENGLISH ON BEHALF OF THE 00:07:12.598 --> 00:07:13.533 CALIFORNIA COMMISSION ON THE 00:07:13.599 --> 00:07:15.134 STATUS OF WOMEN AND GIRLS IN 00:07:15.201 --> 00:07:18.237 SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 00:07:18.304 --> 00:07:20.473 ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES IN 00:07:20.540 --> 00:07:27.647 OPPOSITION TO AB 1705? GOOD 00:07:27.713 --> 00:07:28.781 MORNING, MR. CHAIR. AND MEMBERS, 00:07:28.848 --> 00:07:29.849 DYLAN HOFFMAN. ON BEHALF OF 00:07:29.916 --> 00:07:31.350 TECHNET, WE DO HAVE A 00:07:31.417 --> 00:07:32.552 RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED POSITION. 00:07:32.618 --> 00:07:33.486 WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK 00:07:33.553 --> 00:07:34.453 THROUGH AMENDMENTS WITH THE 00:07:34.520 --> 00:07:35.621 AUTHOR. WE JUST BELIEVE THERE 00:07:35.688 --> 00:07:37.390 SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE 00:07:37.456 --> 00:07:38.491 DELINEATION BETWEEN A 00:07:38.558 --> 00:07:39.559 TRADITIONAL WEBSITE AND A 00:07:39.625 --> 00:07:40.459 PORNOGRAPHIC INTERNET WEBSITE. 00:07:40.526 --> 00:07:41.794 SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME 00:07:41.861 --> 00:07:43.563 SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS AND 00:07:43.629 --> 00:07:44.997 DISCUSSING WITH THE AUTHOR. SO 00:07:45.064 --> 00:07:46.032 AT THIS TIME, STILL 00:07:46.098 --> 00:07:46.766 RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED BUT 00:07:46.833 --> 00:07:47.667 OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'LL BE ABLE 00:07:47.733 --> 00:07:50.002 TO REMOVE OPPOSITION IN THE 00:07:50.069 --> 00:07:56.242 FUTURE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, 00:07:56.309 --> 00:07:58.477 CHAIR MEMBERS. ON BEHALF OF THE 00:07:58.544 --> 00:07:59.345 COMPUTER AND COMMUNICATIONS 00:07:59.412 --> 00:08:00.446 INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, WE WOULD 00:08:00.513 --> 00:08:02.582 ECHO THE CONCERNS RAISED BY MY 00:08:02.648 --> 00:08:05.151 COLLEAGUE AT TECHNET. THANK YOU. 00:08:05.218 --> 00:08:06.219 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DOES 00:08:06.285 --> 00:08:07.720 ANYONE WISH TO REGISTER THEIR 00:08:07.787 --> 00:08:10.990 OPPOSITION TO AB 1705? OKAY. 00:08:11.057 --> 00:08:12.358 SEEING NONE, WE'LL NOW TURN TO 00:08:12.425 --> 00:08:14.193 THE COMMITTEE AND SIMPLY NOTE 00:08:14.260 --> 00:08:17.330 THE AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO 00:08:17.396 --> 00:08:19.131 BE MORE PRECISE IN TERMS OF THE 00:08:19.198 --> 00:08:20.566 APPLICATION OF THE BILL ACROSS 00:08:20.633 --> 00:08:23.102 ALL WEBSITES AND SITES THAT 00:08:23.169 --> 00:08:25.705 OFFER PORNOGRAPHY, AND SO WOULD 00:08:25.771 --> 00:08:26.772 CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THE 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:27.640 OPPOSITION ONCE THE AMENDMENTS 00:08:27.707 --> 00:08:29.141 ARE PRINTED, TO TAKE ANOTHER TO 00:08:29.208 --> 00:08:30.142 TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AND 00:08:30.209 --> 00:08:30.743 CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS WITH 00:08:30.810 --> 00:08:32.812 THE AUTHOR, ARE THERE QUESTIONS 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.515 OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE BILL? I 00:08:36.582 --> 00:08:38.150 WOULD INVITE YOU TO CLOSE 00:08:38.217 --> 00:08:39.118 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE 00:08:39.185 --> 00:08:40.753 WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. THANK 00:08:40.820 --> 00:08:42.889 YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY 00:08:42.955 --> 00:08:45.391 MUCH. AND NEXT, WE'LL TURN TO 00:08:45.458 --> 00:08:51.731 AB 2007. THANK YOU AGAIN. I'M 00:08:51.797 --> 00:08:54.100 PROUD TO PRESENT AB 2007, A 00:08:54.166 --> 00:08:55.835 MEASURE TO SAFEGUARD CHILDREN'S 00:08:55.902 --> 00:08:57.436 PRIVACY AND ENSURE PARENTS HAVE 00:08:57.503 --> 00:08:59.805 A SAY IN THEIR WAY. THEIR 00:08:59.872 --> 00:09:01.007 CHILDREN'S INFORMATION IS USED, 00:09:01.073 --> 00:09:02.775 AND I'LL BE ACCEPTING THE 00:09:02.842 --> 00:09:03.776 COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS ON THIS 00:09:03.843 --> 00:09:05.878 BILL AS WELL. YOUTH PROGRAMS 00:09:05.945 --> 00:09:07.346 ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO OUR 00:09:07.413 --> 00:09:08.848 CHILDREN AND TO FAMILIES EVERY 00:09:08.915 --> 00:09:11.117 DAY. AND CURRENTLY THE WAY 00:09:11.183 --> 00:09:12.585 DIGITAL RELEASES ARE SET UP IS 00:09:12.652 --> 00:09:14.220 YOU GET ONE FORM THAT SIGNS 00:09:14.287 --> 00:09:15.388 YOUR CHILD UP AND RELEASES 00:09:15.454 --> 00:09:16.789 THEIR IMAGE LIKENESS FOR 00:09:16.856 --> 00:09:18.157 MARKETING PURPOSES. AND SO 00:09:18.224 --> 00:09:19.892 PARENTS OFTEN DO NOT HAVE A 00:09:19.959 --> 00:09:22.161 CHOICE OVER WHETHER TO GIVE UP 00:09:22.228 --> 00:09:24.363 THAT PRIVATE INFORMATION AND 00:09:24.430 --> 00:09:25.398 ALLOW FOR THEIR CHILD TO BE 00:09:25.464 --> 00:09:26.933 DEPICTED ONLINE IF THEY WANT 00:09:26.999 --> 00:09:28.734 THEIR CHILD TO PARTICIPATE. IN 00:09:28.801 --> 00:09:29.869 THE LAST COMMITTEE WHERE THIS 00:09:29.936 --> 00:09:32.204 WAS HEARD LAST WEEK, WE HAD A 00:09:32.271 --> 00:09:33.406 WITNESS WHO CAME FORWARD, WHO 00:09:33.472 --> 00:09:35.174 WAS A FOSTER PARENT, WHO WAS 00:09:35.241 --> 00:09:36.175 TOLD, WHO COULDN'T RELEASE 00:09:36.242 --> 00:09:37.310 THEIR CHILD, THEIR CHILD'S 00:09:37.376 --> 00:09:39.045 FOSTER CHILD'S IMAGE AND 00:09:39.111 --> 00:09:40.446 LIKENESS, AND WAS TOLD, WELL, 00:09:40.513 --> 00:09:41.480 THEN THEY JUST COULDN'T 00:09:41.547 --> 00:09:42.448 PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTIVITY. 00:09:42.515 --> 00:09:43.783 AND SO THIS BILL IS INCREDIBLY 00:09:43.849 --> 00:09:45.451 SIMPLE. IT JUST SAYS THOSE HAVE 00:09:45.518 --> 00:09:46.652 TO BE TWO SEPARATE RELEASES TO 00:09:46.719 --> 00:09:47.753 GIVE PARENTS A CHOICE WHETHER 00:09:47.820 --> 00:09:49.121 THEIR CHILD'S DIGITAL LIKENESS 00:09:49.188 --> 00:09:51.991 WILL BE USED. AND WITH THAT, I 00:09:52.058 --> 00:09:54.560 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. 00:09:54.627 --> 00:09:59.598 ANY WITNESSES IN SUPPORT? DOES 00:09:59.665 --> 00:10:00.599 ANYONE WISH TO REGISTER THEIR 00:10:00.666 --> 00:10:09.709 SUPPORT FOR 2007? MR. CHAIR 00:10:09.775 --> 00:10:11.210 MEMBERS MITCH STEIGER WITH CFTA 00:10:11.277 --> 00:10:12.178 UNION OF EDUCATORS AND 00:10:12.244 --> 00:10:13.980 CLASSIFIED PROFESSIONALS IN 00:10:14.046 --> 00:10:19.018 SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE 00:10:19.085 --> 00:10:20.519 ANY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION TO 00:10:20.586 --> 00:10:26.993 AB 2007? WELCOME. YOU WILL HAVE 00:10:27.059 --> 00:10:28.527 TO JOIN US AT THE WITNESS TABLE. 00:10:28.594 --> 00:10:30.529 YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. I'M 00:10:30.596 --> 00:10:31.831 REGISTERING A CONCERNS POSITION. 00:10:31.897 --> 00:10:33.666 SO WE'RE A BIT OF A TWEENER, 00:10:33.733 --> 00:10:34.734 BUT I'M CAROLYN GRINDER ON 00:10:34.800 --> 00:10:35.835 BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE OF 00:10:35.901 --> 00:10:36.802 CALIFORNIA CITIES AND THE 00:10:36.869 --> 00:10:38.070 CALIFORNIA PARKS AND RECREATION 00:10:38.137 --> 00:10:39.605 SOCIETY. JUST REGISTERING SOME 00:10:39.672 --> 00:10:40.940 CONCERNS ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION. 00:10:41.007 --> 00:10:42.108 WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE MOST 00:10:42.174 --> 00:10:43.275 RECENT SET OF AMENDMENTS, WHICH 00:10:43.342 --> 00:10:44.577 WE THINK WERE A BIG STEP 00:10:44.643 --> 00:10:45.478 FORWARD, BUT WE'RE REALLY 00:10:45.544 --> 00:10:47.179 LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH 00:10:47.246 --> 00:10:48.347 THE AUTHOR TO ADDRESS CONCERNS 00:10:48.414 --> 00:10:50.116 ABOUT HOW WE REQUIRE CITIES AND 00:10:50.182 --> 00:10:51.450 OTHER PARK AND RECREATION 00:10:51.517 --> 00:10:53.219 DISTRICTS AND COUNTIES TO 00:10:53.285 --> 00:10:55.821 OBTAIN THIS CONSENT FROM 00:10:55.888 --> 00:10:57.023 PARENTS. A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY 00:10:57.089 --> 00:10:58.257 THERE WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. 00:10:58.324 --> 00:10:59.358 AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, SOME 00:10:59.425 --> 00:11:00.459 CONCERNS AROUND THE CIVIL 00:11:00.526 --> 00:11:01.961 PENALTIES THAT MIGHT BE LEVIED 00:11:02.028 --> 00:11:03.262 AGAINST OUR LOCAL AGENCIES. WE 00:11:03.329 --> 00:11:04.463 KNOW OUR LOCAL AGENCIES ARE 00:11:04.530 --> 00:11:06.132 REALLY DOING A LOT OF WORK 00:11:06.198 --> 00:11:07.299 ALREADY TO OBTAIN THIS CONSENT. 00:11:07.366 --> 00:11:09.168 SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW WE 00:11:09.235 --> 00:11:10.269 IMPLEMENT THIS. AGAIN, REALLY 00:11:10.336 --> 00:11:11.303 APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR AND THE 00:11:11.370 --> 00:11:13.039 COMMITTEE FOR WORKING ON THIS 00:11:13.105 --> 00:11:14.240 WITH US AND LOOKING FORWARD TO 00:11:14.306 --> 00:11:15.307 CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 00:11:15.374 --> 00:11:17.410 THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE 00:11:17.476 --> 00:11:20.146 WISH TO REGISTER OPPOSITION, 00:11:20.212 --> 00:11:24.683 CONCERN, REGRET. ALL RIGHT. 00:11:24.750 --> 00:11:26.318 SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN TO THE 00:11:26.385 --> 00:11:27.319 COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR 00:11:27.386 --> 00:11:28.888 COMMENTS. VICE CHAIR YEAH, 00:11:28.954 --> 00:11:31.690 THANK YOU. THE CONCERNS I HAVE 00:11:31.757 --> 00:11:32.892 ABOUT THE BILL ARE KIND OF THE 00:11:32.958 --> 00:11:34.994 THE BROADNESS AND THE HOW DO 00:11:35.061 --> 00:11:37.163 YOU HOW DO YOU ACHIEVE THIS? 00:11:37.229 --> 00:11:38.931 AND I A GREAT EXAMPLE, THIS 00:11:38.998 --> 00:11:40.766 LAST WEEKEND, MULTIPLE 00:11:40.833 --> 00:11:42.201 FESTIVALS, BIRTHDAY BASHES 00:11:42.268 --> 00:11:43.936 GOING ON AND SOME OF THE 00:11:44.003 --> 00:11:45.771 COMMUNITIES AND PART ONE OF 00:11:45.838 --> 00:11:48.274 THEM IS THE AREA WHERE THE KIDS 00:11:48.340 --> 00:11:49.942 GO AND THEY HAVE THE HOSE DOWN 00:11:50.009 --> 00:11:52.311 AND ALL THAT. SO YOU HAVE LIKE 00:11:52.378 --> 00:11:53.979 A THOUSAND KIDS AND THE PARKS 00:11:54.046 --> 00:11:56.248 AND REC AND EVERYBODY ELSE TAKE 00:11:56.315 --> 00:11:58.384 PICTURES OF ALL THESE THINGS 00:11:58.451 --> 00:12:00.586 GOING ON. BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, 00:12:00.653 --> 00:12:02.588 THOSE ARE, ARE THE THINGS THAT 00:12:02.655 --> 00:12:04.223 THEY, THEY POST IN THEIR, THEIR 00:12:04.290 --> 00:12:05.524 REC GUIDES THAT SAY, HEY, 00:12:05.591 --> 00:12:07.359 BIRTHDAY BASH THIS WEEKEND, DID 00:12:07.426 --> 00:12:08.794 THEY GOT TO GET PERMISSION FROM 00:12:08.861 --> 00:12:10.329 THE THOUSAND KIDS PARENTS TO BE 00:12:10.396 --> 00:12:13.032 ABLE TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THEM 00:12:13.099 --> 00:12:15.367 FROLICKING IN THE, IN THE IN 00:12:15.434 --> 00:12:18.838 THE WATER, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, 00:12:18.904 --> 00:12:20.106 SO I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. 00:12:20.172 --> 00:12:21.607 AND HONESTLY, UPON INTRODUCTION, 00:12:21.674 --> 00:12:23.542 I THINK THE ANSWER WAS YES, BUT 00:12:23.609 --> 00:12:25.377 WE DID TAKE AN AMENDMENT, I 00:12:25.444 --> 00:12:26.612 THINK, IN THE PRIOR COMMITTEE, 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.080 BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE. BUT 00:12:28.147 --> 00:12:29.348 IT IS IN PRINT HERE THAT SAYS 00:12:29.415 --> 00:12:31.117 THAT A COVERED ENTITY MEANS A 00:12:31.183 --> 00:12:32.118 PROGRAM THAT REQUIRES A 00:12:32.184 --> 00:12:34.286 PARENT'S SIGNATURE CONSENT FORM 00:12:34.353 --> 00:12:36.889 OR OTHER FORM TO BE SIGNED. SO 00:12:36.956 --> 00:12:38.324 IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING IN 00:12:38.390 --> 00:12:39.458 ACTIVITY LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'RE 00:12:39.525 --> 00:12:40.626 NOT SIGNING YOUR CHILD UP, THIS 00:12:40.693 --> 00:12:42.928 WOULD NOT APPLY. SO IT'S ONLY A 00:12:42.995 --> 00:12:44.163 CAMP, AN AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:45.831 WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY SIGNING 00:12:45.898 --> 00:12:47.299 FORMS. AND THEN THOSE FORMS 00:12:47.366 --> 00:12:48.767 RIGHT NOW CONTAIN THAT RELEASE 00:12:48.834 --> 00:12:50.536 WITHIN ONE FORM. AND SO WE'RE 00:12:50.603 --> 00:12:51.604 WORKING WITH THE CITIES ON 00:12:51.670 --> 00:12:52.638 IMPLEMENTATION, BUT REALLY ALL 00:12:52.705 --> 00:12:53.739 THE BILL WOULD REQUIRE IS 00:12:53.806 --> 00:12:55.441 THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHICH BY 00:12:55.508 --> 00:12:56.575 THE WAY, RIGHT NOW YOU ARE 00:12:56.642 --> 00:12:57.710 SIGNING MULTIPLE FORMS. ARE YOU 00:12:57.776 --> 00:12:59.445 HEALTH FORM, YOUR YOUR RELEASE 00:12:59.512 --> 00:13:00.579 FORM? THIS WOULD JUST PUT THE 00:13:00.646 --> 00:13:01.680 DIGITAL RELEASE AS A SEPARATE 00:13:01.747 --> 00:13:03.549 FORM, SO YOU COULD OPT IN OR 00:13:03.616 --> 00:13:04.850 OPT OUT AND STILL PARTICIPATE. 00:13:04.917 --> 00:13:10.022 OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. NO 00:13:10.089 --> 00:13:11.223 FURTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. 00:13:11.290 --> 00:13:12.758 WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE WITH 00:13:12.825 --> 00:13:13.792 THAT? I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR 00:13:13.859 --> 00:13:15.661 YOUR VOTE WHEN THE TIME IS 00:13:15.728 --> 00:13:18.230 RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND WE ARE AT 00:13:18.297 --> 00:13:20.366 OUR LAST BILL BY THE CHAIR OF 00:13:20.432 --> 00:13:21.700 OUR COMMITTEE IN THE ASSEMBLY, 00:13:21.767 --> 00:13:24.136 AND THAT'S AB 2212. AND WELCOME 00:13:24.203 --> 00:13:25.471 TO PRESENT WHEN YOU'RE READY. 00:13:25.538 --> 00:13:33.412 THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. SO I'M 00:13:33.479 --> 00:13:35.581 HAPPY TO PRESENT AB 2212. THE 00:13:35.648 --> 00:13:37.816 HIGHER EDUCATION AI RESPONSE 00:13:37.883 --> 00:13:39.485 ACT, OR THE HEAR SURVIVORS ACT. 00:13:39.552 --> 00:13:40.586 THIS BILL UPDATES THE 00:13:40.653 --> 00:13:42.221 DEFINITION OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT 00:13:42.288 --> 00:13:43.622 IN POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION 00:13:43.689 --> 00:13:44.957 CODE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ROLE 00:13:45.024 --> 00:13:45.958 THAT MODERN DIGITAL 00:13:46.025 --> 00:13:48.194 TECHNOLOGIES PLAY ON COLLEGE 00:13:48.260 --> 00:13:49.428 CAMPUSES. I APPRECIATE THE HARD 00:13:49.495 --> 00:13:51.230 WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND I 00:13:51.297 --> 00:13:51.697 ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S 00:13:51.764 --> 00:13:52.498 AMENDMENTS, WHICH REMOVE A 00:13:52.565 --> 00:13:53.499 REQUIREMENT FOR SCHOOLS TO 00:13:53.566 --> 00:13:55.234 UPDATE TITLE NINE POLICIES AND 00:13:55.301 --> 00:13:56.101 MAKE CERTAIN RESOURCES 00:13:56.168 --> 00:13:57.236 AVAILABLE TO STUDENTS IN ORDER 00:13:57.303 --> 00:13:58.404 TO RECEIVE FINANCIAL SUPPORT 00:13:58.470 --> 00:14:00.372 FROM THE STATE. AS NEW 00:14:00.439 --> 00:14:02.508 NOTIFICATION APPS BECOME MORE 00:14:02.575 --> 00:14:04.076 WIDESPREAD, WE'RE SEEING MORE 00:14:04.143 --> 00:14:05.477 TECH FACILITATED SEXUAL 00:14:05.544 --> 00:14:06.879 HARASSMENT. AS WE KNOW, OUR 00:14:06.946 --> 00:14:07.947 UNIVERSITIES ARE OFTEN THE 00:14:08.013 --> 00:14:09.048 FIRST PLACE THAT OUR YOUNG 00:14:09.114 --> 00:14:10.182 PEOPLE ARE OUT ON THEIR OWN, 00:14:10.249 --> 00:14:11.951 AND OUR UNIVERSITIES TAKE GREAT 00:14:12.017 --> 00:14:14.520 STEPS TO PREVENT IN-PERSON 00:14:14.587 --> 00:14:15.521 HARASSMENT FROM INDIVIDUALS, 00:14:15.588 --> 00:14:16.689 BUT THEY HAVE NOT CAUGHT UP 00:14:16.755 --> 00:14:18.524 WITH THE TIMES TO ENSURE THAT 00:14:18.591 --> 00:14:19.792 THERE IS NO ONLINE OR TECH 00:14:19.858 --> 00:14:20.659 FACILITATED HARASSMENT. AND 00:14:20.726 --> 00:14:21.961 THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL REQUIRES 00:14:22.027 --> 00:14:28.100 THEM TO DO WITH ME TODAY, OUR 00:14:28.167 --> 00:14:30.336 JAPONICA, SECOND YEAR 00:14:30.402 --> 00:14:32.037 UNDERGRADUATE AT UCLA, AND 00:14:32.104 --> 00:14:33.872 YESENIA FERNANDEZ, AN 00:14:33.939 --> 00:14:34.907 UNDERGRADUATE IN STUDENT LIFE 00:14:34.974 --> 00:14:36.375 PROGRAM AT ANALYST AT MISSION 00:14:36.442 --> 00:14:40.546 COLLEGE. WELCOME. AND YOU'LL 00:14:40.613 --> 00:14:43.249 EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. GOOD 00:14:43.315 --> 00:14:44.316 MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE 00:14:44.383 --> 00:14:45.818 MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JOHNNY CASH, 00:14:45.884 --> 00:14:46.785 AND I'M AN UNDERGRADUATE 00:14:46.852 --> 00:14:48.988 STUDENT AT UCLA AND A MEMBER OF 00:14:49.054 --> 00:14:50.489 SURVIVORS AND ALLIES. I'M HERE 00:14:50.556 --> 00:14:52.658 IN SUPPORT OF AB 212, TWO, THE 00:14:52.725 --> 00:14:54.793 HEAR SURVIVORS ACT. HAVING JUST 00:14:54.860 --> 00:14:56.161 FINISHED MY FRESHMAN YEAR, IT 00:14:56.228 --> 00:14:57.329 HAS BEEN DEVASTATING TO LEARN 00:14:57.396 --> 00:14:59.398 HOW MANY OF MY PEERS ARE 00:14:59.465 --> 00:15:01.166 ENDURING ONLINE SEXUAL 00:15:01.233 --> 00:15:02.701 HARASSMENT. ONE OF MY FRIENDS 00:15:02.768 --> 00:15:03.736 SHARED HOW ANOTHER STUDENT SHE 00:15:03.802 --> 00:15:05.537 WAS TALKING TO ON AN APP HAD 00:15:05.604 --> 00:15:07.106 REPEATEDLY ASKED HER FOR PHOTOS. 00:15:07.172 --> 00:15:08.140 WHEN SHE FINALLY SUCCUMBED TO 00:15:08.207 --> 00:15:09.541 THE PRESSURE AND SENT A PHOTO 00:15:09.608 --> 00:15:11.443 OF HERSELF IN A TUBE TOP. HE 00:15:11.510 --> 00:15:13.112 THEN USED GENERATIVE AI TO 00:15:13.178 --> 00:15:14.913 MANIPULATE THE PHOTO INTO A 00:15:14.980 --> 00:15:16.715 FULLY NUDE UPPER HALF IMAGE OF 00:15:16.782 --> 00:15:18.117 HER. THIS IMAGE WAS THEN USED 00:15:18.183 --> 00:15:19.952 TO BLACKMAIL HER. THE WHOLE 00:15:20.019 --> 00:15:21.387 SITUATION CONSUMED HER LIFE AND 00:15:21.453 --> 00:15:22.788 SHE WAS DEBATING DROPPING OUT 00:15:22.855 --> 00:15:25.424 OF SCHOOL. UNFORTUNATELY, HER 00:15:25.491 --> 00:15:28.227 STORY IS NOT UNIQUE. IN EARLY 00:15:28.294 --> 00:15:29.595 2026, THE GENERATIVE AI TOOL 00:15:29.662 --> 00:15:31.764 GROK WAS PRODUCING 00:15:31.830 --> 00:15:32.898 NON-CONSENSUAL, INTIMATE IMAGES 00:15:32.965 --> 00:15:34.333 OF WOMEN AND GIRLS AT AN 00:15:34.400 --> 00:15:35.768 ESTIMATED RATE OF ONE PER 00:15:35.834 --> 00:15:37.603 MINUTE. AS THIS TECHNOLOGY 00:15:37.670 --> 00:15:39.338 EVOLVES AT A TERRIFYING PACE, 00:15:39.405 --> 00:15:40.839 OUR CAMPUSES SAFETY MEASURES 00:15:40.906 --> 00:15:42.941 SIMPLY ARE NOT KEEPING UP. WHEN 00:15:43.008 --> 00:15:44.109 THIS HAPPENED TO MY FRIEND, SHE 00:15:44.176 --> 00:15:46.679 HAD ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHERE TO 00:15:46.745 --> 00:15:48.013 TURN. OUR REQUIRED STUDENT 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:49.181 TRAININGS HAS NEVER TOUCHED ON 00:15:49.248 --> 00:15:50.949 THIS KIND OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT, 00:15:51.016 --> 00:15:52.217 AND IT'S MENTIONED NOWHERE ON 00:15:52.284 --> 00:15:54.887 THE UCLA WEBSITE, WITH CAMPUSES 00:15:54.953 --> 00:15:56.655 LACKING ANY CLEAR PATHWAYS TO 00:15:56.722 --> 00:15:58.457 ADDRESS TECH FACILITATED SEXUAL 00:15:58.524 --> 00:15:59.525 HARASSMENT, STUDENTS ARE LEFT 00:15:59.591 --> 00:16:01.327 IN THE DARK, FORCED TO NAVIGATE 00:16:01.393 --> 00:16:03.162 THIS CRISIS ENTIRELY ON THEIR 00:16:03.228 --> 00:16:06.532 OWN. A B 212, TWO CHANGES THAT 00:16:06.598 --> 00:16:08.167 IT AMENDS THE CALIFORNIA 00:16:08.233 --> 00:16:09.601 EDUCATION CODE TO ENSURE THAT 00:16:09.668 --> 00:16:11.103 TECH FACILITATED SEXUAL 00:16:11.170 --> 00:16:12.871 HARASSMENT IS EXPLICITLY 00:16:12.938 --> 00:16:13.906 ADDRESSED AND ENSURES SCHOOLS 00:16:13.972 --> 00:16:14.973 UPDATE THEIR POLICIES SO 00:16:15.040 --> 00:16:16.575 STUDENTS CAN GET THE SUPPORT 00:16:16.642 --> 00:16:18.977 THEY NEED. BECAUSE OUR STUDENTS 00:16:19.044 --> 00:16:20.746 DESERVE TO BE RECOGNIZED AND 00:16:20.813 --> 00:16:22.214 PROTECTED, I STRONGLY URGE YOU 00:16:22.281 --> 00:16:26.552 TO SUPPORT AB 2122. THANK YOU. 00:16:26.618 --> 00:16:28.354 THANK YOU, THANK YOU, AND 00:16:28.420 --> 00:16:31.690 WELCOME TO YOU. GOOD MORNING, 00:16:31.757 --> 00:16:32.925 CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY 00:16:32.991 --> 00:16:34.560 NAME IS YESENIA MENDOZA 00:16:34.626 --> 00:16:35.894 FERNANDEZ, AND I AM A MEMBER OF 00:16:35.961 --> 00:16:37.563 SURVIVORS AND ALLIES. I ALSO 00:16:37.629 --> 00:16:38.864 SERVE AS A STAFF ADVISOR FOR 00:16:38.931 --> 00:16:39.932 THE ASSOCIATED STUDENT 00:16:39.998 --> 00:16:40.999 GOVERNMENT AT A CALIFORNIA 00:16:41.066 --> 00:16:42.468 COMMUNITY COLLEGE. AS A 00:16:42.534 --> 00:16:43.602 SURVIVOR OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND 00:16:43.669 --> 00:16:45.170 A PRODUCT OF ALL THREE SYSTEMS 00:16:45.237 --> 00:16:46.505 OF HIGHER ED IN CALIFORNIA, I 00:16:46.572 --> 00:16:48.040 HAVE BEEN WITNESS TO THE 00:16:48.107 --> 00:16:48.874 DISPARITIES OF RESOURCES 00:16:48.941 --> 00:16:50.376 AVAILABLE TO SURVIVORS. 00:16:50.442 --> 00:16:51.377 COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE BEHIND 00:16:51.443 --> 00:16:52.544 IN THEIR APPROACHES TO 00:16:52.611 --> 00:16:53.579 ADDRESSING SEXUAL VIOLENCE ON 00:16:53.645 --> 00:16:55.814 OUR CAMPUSES. IT ONLY BECAME A 00:16:55.881 --> 00:16:57.282 REQUIREMENT TWO YEARS AGO TO 00:16:57.349 --> 00:16:58.617 TRAIN AND INFORM ALL STUDENTS 00:16:58.684 --> 00:16:59.952 ON THEIR RIGHTS AND RESOURCES 00:17:00.018 --> 00:17:01.086 AROUND SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND THE 00:17:01.153 --> 00:17:02.921 TITLE NINE REPORTING PROCESS. 00:17:02.988 --> 00:17:04.456 MORE THAN TEN YEARS AFTER THE 00:17:04.523 --> 00:17:06.191 UC AND CSU SYSTEMS ESTABLISHED 00:17:06.258 --> 00:17:08.360 CONFIDENTIAL ADVOCATES ON THEIR 00:17:08.427 --> 00:17:09.762 CAMPUSES. BECAUSE OF THIS, IT'S 00:17:09.828 --> 00:17:10.963 CRUCIAL FOR THE TITLE FOR TITLE 00:17:11.029 --> 00:17:12.564 NINE TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE 00:17:12.631 --> 00:17:13.699 EXPERIENCES THAT OUR STUDENTS 00:17:13.766 --> 00:17:15.167 ARE FACING TODAY AND INCLUDE 00:17:15.234 --> 00:17:16.635 TECH FACILITATED SEXUAL 00:17:16.702 --> 00:17:18.070 VIOLENCE, ONE OF SURVIVORS AND 00:17:18.137 --> 00:17:19.905 ALLIES MEMBERS SHARED IN 2021. 00:17:19.972 --> 00:17:20.939 DURING COLLEGE, THEY WERE 00:17:21.006 --> 00:17:22.040 HARASSED FOR OVER A MONTH 00:17:22.107 --> 00:17:23.175 THROUGH DOZENS OF ACCOUNTS AND 00:17:23.242 --> 00:17:24.510 MESSAGES FLOODING THEIR PHONE, 00:17:24.576 --> 00:17:25.644 ASKING THEM TO SEND NUDES, 00:17:25.711 --> 00:17:27.079 AMONG OTHER THINGS, MAKING 00:17:27.146 --> 00:17:28.147 THREATS AGAINST THEIR FAMILY. 00:17:28.213 --> 00:17:29.314 IF THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY 00:17:29.381 --> 00:17:30.582 WANTED, THEY DIDN'T THINK 00:17:30.649 --> 00:17:32.518 ANYONE WOULD BELIEVE THEM. THE 00:17:32.584 --> 00:17:33.519 INSTITUTIONS THAT WERE SUPPOSED 00:17:33.585 --> 00:17:34.620 TO PROTECT THEM FAILED THEM. 00:17:34.686 --> 00:17:36.054 THERE WAS NO CLEAR REPORTING 00:17:36.121 --> 00:17:37.122 MECHANISM, NO MESSAGING THAT 00:17:37.189 --> 00:17:38.557 DIGITAL SEXUAL HARM COUNTED AND 00:17:38.624 --> 00:17:40.759 NO VISIBLE PATH TO SUPPORT. I 00:17:40.826 --> 00:17:41.960 SERVED AS AN INTERVIEW RESEARCH 00:17:42.027 --> 00:17:43.595 LEAD FOR OUR 2025 STATEWIDE 00:17:43.662 --> 00:17:45.364 STUDY OF OVER 1600 HIGHER ED 00:17:45.431 --> 00:17:46.832 STUDENTS IN CALIFORNIA, AND WE 00:17:46.899 --> 00:17:48.267 FOUND THAT COMMUNITY COLLEGE 00:17:48.333 --> 00:17:49.568 STUDENTS EXPERIENCED SEXUAL 00:17:49.635 --> 00:17:50.636 VIOLENCE AT HIGHER RATES THAN 00:17:50.702 --> 00:17:52.971 THEIR PEERS AT THE UC AND CSU 00:17:53.038 --> 00:17:55.507 SYSTEM. OUT OF 157 COMMUNITY 00:17:55.574 --> 00:17:57.376 COLLEGE STUDENTS, 108 00:17:57.443 --> 00:17:59.778 IDENTIFIED AS SURVIVORS, 1 IN 7 00:17:59.845 --> 00:18:00.913 SURVIVORS EXPERIENCE ONLINE 00:18:00.979 --> 00:18:02.748 SEXUAL HARM AND 70% NEVER 00:18:02.815 --> 00:18:04.450 REPORTED TO THEIR INSTITUTIONS. 00:18:04.516 --> 00:18:05.951 IN ADDITION, SURVIVORS OF 00:18:06.018 --> 00:18:07.786 ONLINE SEXUAL HARM REPORTED 00:18:07.853 --> 00:18:08.520 SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE MENTAL 00:18:08.587 --> 00:18:10.255 HEALTH THAN OTHER SURVIVORS. I 00:18:10.322 --> 00:18:11.890 AM HERE LEADING BY EXAMPLE FOR 00:18:11.957 --> 00:18:12.891 MY STUDENTS WITHIN THE 00:18:12.958 --> 00:18:13.659 ASSOCIATED STUDENT GOVERNMENT 00:18:13.725 --> 00:18:14.993 AT MISSION COLLEGE TO SHOW THEM 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:16.361 THAT ADVOCACY MATTERS, THAT 00:18:16.428 --> 00:18:17.963 USING THEIR VOICE TO MAKE THEIR 00:18:18.030 --> 00:18:19.131 SCHOOL A BETTER PLACE MATTERS, 00:18:19.198 --> 00:18:20.265 AND TO LET COMMUNITY COLLEGE 00:18:20.332 --> 00:18:21.200 SURVIVORS KNOW THAT THEY ARE 00:18:21.266 --> 00:18:23.135 NOT ALONE. WE MUST BE PROACTIVE 00:18:23.202 --> 00:18:24.236 IN ENSURING THE RESOURCES THAT 00:18:24.303 --> 00:18:25.370 EXIST IN COLLEGE CAMPUSES. 00:18:25.437 --> 00:18:26.472 PROVIDE STUDENTS WITH THE 00:18:26.538 --> 00:18:28.240 OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE SUPPORT, 00:18:28.307 --> 00:18:29.374 THRIVE AND CONTINUE THEIR 00:18:29.441 --> 00:18:31.443 EDUCATIONAL JOURNEY. AND I URGE 00:18:31.510 --> 00:18:33.378 YOUR AYE VOTE ON AB TWO, TWO 00:18:33.445 --> 00:18:36.315 ONE, TWO. THANK YOU. AND THANKS 00:18:36.381 --> 00:18:37.950 TO BOTH OF YOU FOR COMING TO 00:18:38.016 --> 00:18:40.552 SACRAMENTO TODAY TO SHARE YOUR 00:18:40.619 --> 00:18:41.553 STORIES, YOUR PERSPECTIVES, AND 00:18:41.620 --> 00:18:42.888 THOSE OF YOUR YOUR COLLEAGUES 00:18:42.955 --> 00:18:44.690 ON CAMPUS AS WELL. THANK YOU SO 00:18:44.756 --> 00:18:46.391 MUCH. ARE THERE OTHER WITNESSES 00:18:46.458 --> 00:18:47.426 THAT WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER 00:18:47.493 --> 00:18:53.432 THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? 00:18:53.499 --> 00:18:55.133 BECCA KRAMER, ON BEHALF OF THE 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:56.335 ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION 00:18:56.401 --> 00:19:01.406 IN SUPPORT. ANA SANTIAGO, 00:19:01.473 --> 00:19:02.541 POLICY INTERN WITH MESA VERDE 00:19:02.608 --> 00:19:04.076 GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF CAL 00:19:04.142 --> 00:19:06.278 STATE STUDENT ASSOCIATION AND 00:19:06.345 --> 00:19:11.750 SUPPORT. KATIE COCHRAN ON 00:19:11.817 --> 00:19:13.385 BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION FOR ON 00:19:13.452 --> 00:19:14.987 THE STATUS OF WOMEN AND GIRLS 00:19:15.053 --> 00:19:19.491 IN SUPPORT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS 00:19:19.558 --> 00:19:21.159 TO ALL THE WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. 00:19:21.226 --> 00:19:22.594 ARE THERE ANY WITNESSES IN 00:19:22.661 --> 00:19:25.531 OPPOSITION? DOES ANYONE WISH TO 00:19:25.597 --> 00:19:28.367 REGISTER OPPOSITION TO THE BILL? 00:19:28.433 --> 00:19:29.535 SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN TO THE 00:19:29.601 --> 00:19:30.602 COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR 00:19:30.669 --> 00:19:34.139 COMMENTS. SENATOR MCNERNEY. 00:19:34.206 --> 00:19:35.307 WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO 00:19:35.374 --> 00:19:37.242 THANK THE AUTHOR FOR THIS BILL 00:19:37.309 --> 00:19:38.410 AND THE PRIOR THREE BILLS. I 00:19:38.477 --> 00:19:40.145 MEAN, THERE'S A COMMON THEME 00:19:40.212 --> 00:19:41.280 HERE. YOU WANT TO PROTECT 00:19:41.346 --> 00:19:42.347 PEOPLE FROM THE TECHNOLOGY 00:19:42.414 --> 00:19:44.383 THAT'S CHANGING AND IMPACTING 00:19:44.449 --> 00:19:48.120 OUR LIVES. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE 00:19:48.186 --> 00:19:50.355 THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE 00:19:50.422 --> 00:19:51.356 PROVIDING MORE AND MORE 00:19:51.423 --> 00:19:52.791 OPPORTUNITY FOR ABUSE OF THIS 00:19:52.858 --> 00:19:54.593 KIND. AND IT'S GETTING MORE AND 00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:56.461 MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO, TO TRY 00:19:56.528 --> 00:19:58.597 AND CONTROL THESE. AND THAT'S 00:19:58.664 --> 00:19:59.731 SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE 00:19:59.798 --> 00:20:01.833 AND THE AND YOUR COMMITTEE, 00:20:01.900 --> 00:20:02.901 ASSEMBLYWOMAN, ARE GOING TO BE 00:20:02.968 --> 00:20:04.770 DEALING WITH FROM NOW ON, I 00:20:04.836 --> 00:20:07.205 THINK. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 00:20:07.272 --> 00:20:08.707 SO WHAT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT 00:20:08.774 --> 00:20:10.842 THIS PARTICULAR BILL, WHAT 00:20:10.909 --> 00:20:12.311 EXACTLY IS IT ASKING THE 00:20:12.377 --> 00:20:13.979 TRUSTEES TO DO? I MEAN, HOW HOW 00:20:14.046 --> 00:20:15.180 ARE THEY GOING TO REACT IN A 00:20:15.247 --> 00:20:16.982 WAY THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE 00:20:17.049 --> 00:20:20.886 ADDITIONAL PROTECTION? YEAH. 00:20:20.953 --> 00:20:21.954 THANK YOU, SENATOR, FOR THE 00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:23.822 QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR 00:20:23.889 --> 00:20:25.991 COMMENT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING 00:20:26.058 --> 00:20:27.159 ONLINE. AND I THINK YOU AND I 00:20:27.225 --> 00:20:28.994 HAVE SPOKEN DEEPLY ABOUT HOW 00:20:29.061 --> 00:20:30.128 THERE'S SO MUCH PROMISE TO WHAT 00:20:30.195 --> 00:20:31.363 IS HAPPENING ONLINE. AND OUR 00:20:31.430 --> 00:20:33.498 STUDENTS GAIN SO MUCH FROM 00:20:33.565 --> 00:20:34.933 ACCESS TO ONLINE TOOLS, AND YET 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:36.668 THEY CAN ONLY ACHIEVE THAT 00:20:36.735 --> 00:20:37.736 PROMISE IF THEY'RE PROTECTED AT 00:20:37.803 --> 00:20:39.972 THE SAME TIME. AND SO WHAT THE 00:20:40.038 --> 00:20:41.740 BILL DOES IS ACTUALLY 00:20:41.807 --> 00:20:43.909 INCREDIBLY SIMPLE. IT UPDATES 00:20:43.976 --> 00:20:45.744 THE DEFINITION OF SEXUAL 00:20:45.811 --> 00:20:47.212 HARASSMENT. CURRENTLY, IT 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.513 INCLUDES SEXUAL EXPLOITATION 00:20:48.580 --> 00:20:50.082 AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE, INCLUDING 00:20:50.148 --> 00:20:51.817 SEXUAL BATTERY. THIS WILL ADD A 00:20:51.883 --> 00:20:53.318 THIRD ELEMENT TO THAT, WHICH IS 00:20:53.385 --> 00:20:54.786 TECHNOLOGY FACILITATED SEXUAL 00:20:54.853 --> 00:20:55.654 HARASSMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT 00:20:55.721 --> 00:20:56.688 LIMITED TO, CYBER SEXUAL 00:20:56.755 --> 00:20:58.023 BULLYING, CYBER STALKING AND 00:20:58.090 --> 00:21:00.125 DOXING. AND SO IT WILL IMBUE 00:21:00.192 --> 00:21:01.927 INTO THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT 00:21:01.994 --> 00:21:03.762 POLICIES, THIS THIS ELEMENT OF 00:21:03.829 --> 00:21:05.130 SEXUAL HARASSMENT. AND SO TO 00:21:05.197 --> 00:21:06.298 THE EXTENT THAT THEY TRAIN ON 00:21:06.365 --> 00:21:07.299 SEXUAL HARASSMENT, THEY HAVE 00:21:07.366 --> 00:21:08.700 POLICIES AROUND DISCIPLINE ON 00:21:08.767 --> 00:21:09.668 SEXUAL HARASSMENT. THIS WILL 00:21:09.735 --> 00:21:12.738 HAVE TO BE A PART OF IT. OKAY. 00:21:12.804 --> 00:21:14.906 AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL HAVE A 00:21:14.973 --> 00:21:17.175 POSITIVE IMPACT AND, AND SORT 00:21:17.242 --> 00:21:18.644 OF CORRAL THIS. BUT AGAIN, 00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:20.245 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO 00:21:20.312 --> 00:21:22.481 CONTINUALLY UPDATE POLICIES TO 00:21:22.547 --> 00:21:23.849 GIVE MORE AND MORE PROTECTION 00:21:23.915 --> 00:21:25.684 FOR THESE. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO 00:21:25.751 --> 00:21:26.685 STIFLE INNOVATION. SO IT'S 00:21:26.752 --> 00:21:27.986 GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. THANK 00:21:28.053 --> 00:21:33.625 YOU. THANK YOU. SENATOR. THANK 00:21:33.692 --> 00:21:35.060 YOU. AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR 00:21:35.127 --> 00:21:36.561 YOUR BILL AND YOUR WORK IN THIS 00:21:36.628 --> 00:21:39.765 IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE, LIKE OUR 00:21:39.831 --> 00:21:43.702 GOOD SENATOR PREVIOUSLY, YOU 00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:44.836 KNOW, TRYING TO FIND THE SWEET 00:21:44.903 --> 00:21:47.272 SPOT WITH THE EMERGING 00:21:47.339 --> 00:21:49.474 TECHNOLOGY OF PROTECTION AND 00:21:49.541 --> 00:21:52.577 NOT, NOT NOT KILLING INNOVATION 00:21:52.644 --> 00:21:54.146 AND ALSO NOT DRIVING IT 00:21:54.212 --> 00:21:56.648 ELSEWHERE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, 00:21:56.715 --> 00:21:59.518 IT'S TRICKY. BUT WHEN WE'RE 00:21:59.584 --> 00:22:01.653 DEALING WITH THESE ISSUES, 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:03.021 THAT'S WHERE OUR GUARDRAILS 00:22:03.088 --> 00:22:04.690 NEED TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE. AND, 00:22:04.756 --> 00:22:06.058 AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE 00:22:06.124 --> 00:22:07.159 BEEN FOCUSING A LOT OF YOUR 00:22:07.225 --> 00:22:09.695 WORK ON IS, IS PROTECTING OUR, 00:22:09.761 --> 00:22:11.897 OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND OUR KIDS 00:22:11.963 --> 00:22:14.666 FROM THIS EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. 00:22:14.733 --> 00:22:16.468 AND, AND THE OTHER STUFF, YOU 00:22:16.535 --> 00:22:18.403 KNOW, WE CAN DEAL WITH, BUT 00:22:18.470 --> 00:22:20.038 THIS IS, THIS HAS TO BE 00:22:20.105 --> 00:22:21.406 AGGRESSIVE. AND, AND I THINK 00:22:21.473 --> 00:22:22.507 THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I 00:22:22.574 --> 00:22:25.110 APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE WHAT 00:22:25.177 --> 00:22:26.311 I'VE SEEN ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD 00:22:26.378 --> 00:22:28.113 BILLS IN THAT REGARD. SO THANK 00:22:28.180 --> 00:22:33.752 YOU. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER 00:22:33.819 --> 00:22:37.689 DISCUSSION? LET ME JUST NOTE, 00:22:37.756 --> 00:22:39.357 FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE SENATE 00:22:39.424 --> 00:22:40.826 OR THEIR STAFF THAT MAY BE 00:22:40.892 --> 00:22:41.960 PAYING ATTENTION TO THE HEARING 00:22:42.027 --> 00:22:43.128 AND BALANCING ALL THE VARIOUS 00:22:43.195 --> 00:22:44.863 HEARINGS, WE ARE ONE SHORT OF A 00:22:44.930 --> 00:22:46.765 QUORUM. AND SO IF YOU ARE 00:22:46.832 --> 00:22:47.766 DECIDING WHERE WHICH COMMITTEE 00:22:47.833 --> 00:22:49.768 TO GO TO FIRST, AS A MEMBER OF 00:22:49.835 --> 00:22:50.769 FOUR DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THIS 00:22:50.836 --> 00:22:51.937 MORNING, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME 00:22:52.003 --> 00:22:53.004 TO STOP BY HERE. THE 00:22:53.071 --> 00:22:54.005 APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE HAS 00:22:54.072 --> 00:22:55.774 NOT YET BEGUN ON THE BUDGET 00:22:55.841 --> 00:22:56.775 COMMITTEE IS PROCEEDING FINE. 00:22:56.842 --> 00:22:58.043 SO THIS WOULD BE THE HEARING WE 00:22:58.110 --> 00:22:59.878 NEED. WE REALLY NEED TO HEAR 00:22:59.945 --> 00:23:01.012 QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:02.948 KHN WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? I 00:23:03.014 --> 00:23:04.950 JUST WANT TO REITERATE YOUR 00:23:05.016 --> 00:23:10.222 COMMENTS. THANK YOU. SAID YOU 00:23:10.288 --> 00:23:11.957 WERE INTERESTING. I OH, THERE 00:23:12.023 --> 00:23:13.458 WE GO. AND THANK THE STUDENTS 00:23:13.525 --> 00:23:14.593 FOR THEIR ADVOCACY AND SHOWING 00:23:14.659 --> 00:23:15.727 UP. THEY REALLY THEY BROUGHT 00:23:15.794 --> 00:23:17.662 THIS BILL TO OUR OFFICE AND 00:23:17.729 --> 00:23:19.431 ASKED US TO UPDATE THIS CODE. 00:23:19.498 --> 00:23:20.799 AND IT HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE 00:23:20.866 --> 00:23:21.967 PARTNERSHIP WORKING ALONGSIDE 00:23:22.033 --> 00:23:23.335 THEM AND SHOWING UP, HEARING 00:23:23.401 --> 00:23:24.402 AFTER HEARING, SPEAKING FOR 00:23:24.469 --> 00:23:25.604 THEIR COLLEAGUES. AND IT REALLY 00:23:25.670 --> 00:23:27.072 IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO CHANGE 00:23:27.139 --> 00:23:28.273 THINGS ON CAMPUS. AND WITH THAT, 00:23:28.340 --> 00:23:29.307 I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR 00:23:29.374 --> 00:23:31.610 VOTE WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. 00:23:31.676 --> 00:23:33.044 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HAVE ANY 00:23:33.111 --> 00:23:34.446 MORE BILLS COME TO YOU WHILE 00:23:34.513 --> 00:23:36.348 WE'VE JUST TO YOUR TO YOUR MIND 00:23:36.414 --> 00:23:37.482 WHILE WE WERE HERE? IF NOT, 00:23:37.549 --> 00:23:38.817 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM 00:23:38.884 --> 00:23:40.018 CHAIR. APPRECIATE YOU BEING 00:23:40.085 --> 00:23:46.358 WITH US TODAY. YES. THANK YOU. 00:23:46.424 --> 00:23:48.460 NUMBER NINE. DID YOU HAVE 00:23:48.527 --> 00:23:50.862 ANOTHER ONE? SORRY. ALL RIGHT. 00:23:50.929 --> 00:23:52.497 WE HAVE ASSEMBLY MEMBER 00:23:52.564 --> 00:23:54.332 GONZALEZ HERE TO PRESENT ITEM 00:23:54.399 --> 00:23:56.968 NINE, WHICH IS AB 1837. WELCOME. 00:23:57.035 --> 00:23:58.470 AND YOU MAY BEGIN WHENEVER 00:23:58.537 --> 00:24:00.839 YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU, MR. 00:24:00.906 --> 00:24:02.107 CHAIR. AND MEMBERS, FIRST, I 00:24:02.174 --> 00:24:03.642 WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU TO THE 00:24:03.708 --> 00:24:05.076 CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE STAFF 00:24:05.143 --> 00:24:06.244 FOR THEIR HARD WORK WORKING 00:24:06.311 --> 00:24:07.345 WITH US ON THIS BILL. I'M 00:24:07.412 --> 00:24:09.181 PLEASED TO PRESENT AB 1837, 00:24:09.247 --> 00:24:10.749 WHICH EXTENDS THE AUTHORIZATION 00:24:10.816 --> 00:24:12.684 FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT OPERATORS TO 00:24:12.751 --> 00:24:13.785 USE CAMERA ENFORCEMENT 00:24:13.852 --> 00:24:15.587 TECHNOLOGY TO ENFORCE PARKING 00:24:15.654 --> 00:24:17.122 VIOLATION IN TRANSIT ONLY LANES 00:24:17.189 --> 00:24:19.491 AND AT TRANSIT STOPS FOR SEVEN 00:24:19.558 --> 00:24:21.326 YEARS. IT ALSO ADDS ADDITIONAL 00:24:21.393 --> 00:24:22.427 PRIVACY PROTECTIONS INTO 00:24:22.494 --> 00:24:23.795 EXISTING LAW AND ADDITIONAL 00:24:23.862 --> 00:24:24.963 PARAMETERS ON HOW THE REPORTS 00:24:25.030 --> 00:24:26.698 ARE. PRIVACY IMPACTS MUST BE 00:24:26.765 --> 00:24:27.799 EVALUATED. WE KNOW THE 00:24:27.866 --> 00:24:29.067 TECHNOLOGY WORKS AND HAS HELPED 00:24:29.134 --> 00:24:30.235 TO ADDRESS KEY ISSUES OF PUBLIC 00:24:30.302 --> 00:24:31.369 TRANSIT EFFICIENCY. PUBLIC 00:24:31.436 --> 00:24:33.471 SAFETY BY DISINCENTIVIZING 00:24:33.538 --> 00:24:35.340 PARKING AND STOPPING IN TRANSIT 00:24:35.407 --> 00:24:37.175 LANES IN SAN FRANCISCO. THESE 00:24:37.242 --> 00:24:38.376 CAMERAS HAVE CUT TRANSIT DELAYS 00:24:38.443 --> 00:24:40.812 BY 20%. AGENCIES LIKE LA METRO 00:24:40.879 --> 00:24:42.414 IN MY DISTRICT HAVE JUST 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:43.481 STARTED USING THESE CAMERAS AND 00:24:43.548 --> 00:24:45.016 HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING THE SAME 00:24:45.083 --> 00:24:46.952 BENEFITS. AB 1837 ALSO ENSURES 00:24:47.018 --> 00:24:48.653 THAT THE EXTENSIVE PRIVACY 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:49.721 PROTECTIONS LAID OUT IN THE 00:24:49.788 --> 00:24:51.823 AUTHORITY CAN CONTINUE. VIDEO 00:24:51.890 --> 00:24:53.325 EVIDENCE OF VIOLATIONS MUST BE 00:24:53.391 --> 00:24:54.793 DESTROYED 60 DAYS AFTER 00:24:54.860 --> 00:24:56.194 CITATION HAS BEEN PAID. ANY 00:24:56.261 --> 00:24:57.662 VIDEO IMAGES THAT DON'T CONTAIN 00:24:57.729 --> 00:24:58.730 EVIDENCE MUST BE DESTROYED 00:24:58.797 --> 00:25:00.565 AFTER 15 DAYS, AND ANY VIDEO 00:25:00.632 --> 00:25:02.334 IMAGE CAN ONLY BE USED FOR 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:03.735 ENFORCING THESE PARKING 00:25:03.802 --> 00:25:05.170 VIOLATIONS. IF WE LET THE 00:25:05.237 --> 00:25:06.304 AUTHORITY EXPIRE, OUR TRANSIT 00:25:06.371 --> 00:25:08.006 LANES WILL CONTINUE TO CLOG UP, 00:25:08.073 --> 00:25:09.574 BACKING UP, REDUCING TRANSIT 00:25:09.641 --> 00:25:10.942 EFFICIENCY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. 00:25:11.009 --> 00:25:12.077 IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT OUR BUSSES 00:25:12.143 --> 00:25:13.144 CONTINUE TO MOVE EFFICIENTLY 00:25:13.211 --> 00:25:14.546 AND SAFELY THROUGHOUT OUR 00:25:14.613 --> 00:25:16.781 CITIES. AB 1837 ENSURES WE CAN 00:25:16.848 --> 00:25:18.950 DO JUST THAT. THIS MORNING I 00:25:19.017 --> 00:25:20.352 WITNESS IN SUPPORT MATT 00:25:20.418 --> 00:25:21.753 ROBINSON, LEGACY ADVOCATE WITH 00:25:21.820 --> 00:25:23.088 CALIFORNIA TRANSIT ASSOCIATION. 00:25:23.154 --> 00:25:25.357 TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU, MR. 00:25:25.423 --> 00:25:26.458 CHAIR. MATT ROBINSON WITH THE 00:25:26.524 --> 00:25:29.661 CALIFORNIA TRANSIT ASSOCIATION 00:25:29.728 --> 00:25:30.695 ASSEMBLY MEMBER GONZALEZ DID A 00:25:30.762 --> 00:25:31.897 WONDERFUL JOB OF COVERING THE 00:25:31.963 --> 00:25:33.732 BILL. I WOULD JUST NOTE THIS IS 00:25:33.798 --> 00:25:34.866 A TOOL THAT MORE OF OUR 00:25:34.933 --> 00:25:36.668 AGENCIES HAVE STARTED TO USE. 00:25:36.735 --> 00:25:38.103 IF THEY HAVE SEEN MORE PARKING 00:25:38.169 --> 00:25:39.671 AT THEIR BUS STOPS. AS THE 00:25:39.738 --> 00:25:41.306 ROLLOUT OF BRT LANES HAS BECOME 00:25:41.373 --> 00:25:42.240 MORE PREVALENT, THAT'S BUS 00:25:42.307 --> 00:25:44.409 RAPID TRANSIT HAVE BECOME MORE 00:25:44.476 --> 00:25:45.911 PREVALENT THROUGHOUT THE STATE, 00:25:45.977 --> 00:25:47.712 BUT THIS DOES, AS THE ASSEMBLY 00:25:47.779 --> 00:25:49.114 MEMBER SAID, HELP KEEP THE 00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:51.182 BUSSES MOVING AND ON TIME WHEN 00:25:51.249 --> 00:25:53.018 THEY ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC OR 00:25:53.084 --> 00:25:54.252 WAITING TO GET TO THE CURB, NOT 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:55.453 ONLY JEOPARDIZES THEIR TRAVEL 00:25:55.520 --> 00:25:57.122 TIMES, BUT IT ALSO MAKES THAT 00:25:57.188 --> 00:25:58.823 TRIP TO THE CURB SPACE 00:25:58.890 --> 00:26:00.358 DIFFICULT FOR ELDERLY 00:26:00.425 --> 00:26:01.393 PASSENGERS, FOR DISABLED 00:26:01.459 --> 00:26:03.161 PASSENGERS, ETC. AND SO THIS 00:26:03.228 --> 00:26:04.729 HAS BEEN A HELPFUL SAFETY TOOL 00:26:04.796 --> 00:26:06.164 AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK TO 00:26:06.231 --> 00:26:07.098 DEPLOY BETTER TRANSIT SERVICE 00:26:07.165 --> 00:26:08.934 THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA. AS THE 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.001 ASSEMBLY MEMBER SAID, THE 00:26:10.068 --> 00:26:11.102 PRIVACY PROTECTIONS HAVE BEEN 00:26:11.169 --> 00:26:12.203 ENHANCED THIS YEAR THROUGH OUR 00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:13.972 WORK IN THE ASSEMBLY. COMING 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.073 OUT OF SENATE TRANSPORTATION, 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:16.608 WE AMENDED THE BILL TO CLARIFY 00:26:16.675 --> 00:26:17.676 THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME 00:26:17.742 --> 00:26:19.477 MORE REPORTS FROM THE EXISTING 00:26:19.544 --> 00:26:20.578 AGENCIES THAT JUST BEGIN THOSE 00:26:20.645 --> 00:26:21.579 PROGRAMS, SO HOPEFULLY THAT 00:26:21.646 --> 00:26:23.481 WILL BE HELPFUL TO YOU ALL AS 00:26:23.548 --> 00:26:24.816 YOU REEVALUATE THIS. EXCUSE ME, 00:26:24.883 --> 00:26:27.285 IN 2034. AND WITH THAT, I 00:26:27.352 --> 00:26:28.086 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. 00:26:28.153 --> 00:26:29.120 I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 00:26:29.187 --> 00:26:32.724 QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 00:26:32.791 --> 00:26:34.125 DOES ANYONE WISH TO REGISTER 00:26:34.192 --> 00:26:36.328 SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? GOOD 00:26:36.394 --> 00:26:37.762 MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS, 00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:39.564 SYLVIA SOLIS SHAH HERE ON 00:26:39.631 --> 00:26:41.700 BEHALF OF THE FOLLOWING LA 00:26:41.766 --> 00:26:44.569 METRO MONTEREY-SALINAS TRANSIT, 00:26:44.636 --> 00:26:46.037 SUNLINE TRANSIT, THE CITY OF 00:26:46.104 --> 00:26:48.573 SANTA MONICA, THE SAN FRANCISCO 00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.042 MUNICIPAL TRANSPORTATION AGENCY, 00:26:51.109 --> 00:26:53.178 SAMTRANS CITY AND COUNTY OF SAN 00:26:53.244 --> 00:26:55.013 FRANCISCO CACTI, THE CALIFORNIA 00:26:55.080 --> 00:26:56.815 CITY TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVE 00:26:56.881 --> 00:26:58.550 AND THE SAN FRANCISCO BOARD OF 00:26:58.616 --> 00:26:59.918 SUPERVISORS. ALL IN SUPPORT. 00:26:59.985 --> 00:27:03.288 THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. STEVE 00:27:03.355 --> 00:27:04.556 WALLACH ON BEHALF OF THE 00:27:04.622 --> 00:27:05.557 ALAMEDA CONTRA COSTA TRANSIT 00:27:05.623 --> 00:27:06.558 DISTRICT, THE ALAMEDA COUNTY 00:27:06.624 --> 00:27:07.659 TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION, THE 00:27:07.726 --> 00:27:08.660 NAPA VALLEY TRANSPORTATION 00:27:08.727 --> 00:27:09.661 AUTHORITY AND THE CALIFORNIA 00:27:09.728 --> 00:27:11.229 ASSOCIATION FOR TRANSPORTATION 00:27:11.296 --> 00:27:14.466 AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ARE 00:27:14.532 --> 00:27:15.934 THERE ANY WITNESSES IN 00:27:16.001 --> 00:27:19.104 OPPOSITION? DOES ANYONE WISH TO 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:22.040 REGISTER OPPOSITION TO THE BILL? 00:27:22.107 --> 00:27:23.208 SEEING NONE, WE'LL TURN BACK TO 00:27:23.274 --> 00:27:24.542 THE COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR 00:27:24.609 --> 00:27:30.315 COMMENTS. SENATOR MCNERNEY, I 00:27:30.382 --> 00:27:31.449 APPRECIATE THE MEMBER FOR 00:27:31.516 --> 00:27:34.686 BRINGING THIS FORWARD, AND IT 00:27:34.753 --> 00:27:36.087 SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A VERY NARROW 00:27:36.154 --> 00:27:38.223 IN SCOPE. SO THAT'S THAT'S 00:27:38.289 --> 00:27:39.591 APPROPRIATE. AND I JUST WANT TO 00:27:39.657 --> 00:27:41.826 VOICE AN OVERALL CONCERN THAT I 00:27:41.893 --> 00:27:44.329 HATE SEEING MORE DATA OUT THERE 00:27:44.396 --> 00:27:46.431 THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS AND USE 00:27:46.498 --> 00:27:48.400 IN VARIOUS WAYS. AND SOUNDS 00:27:48.466 --> 00:27:49.501 LIKE YOU'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD 00:27:49.567 --> 00:27:52.237 JOB OF TRYING TO CURTAIL THAT. 00:27:52.303 --> 00:27:53.705 SO I THINK I'LL FIND MYSELF IN 00:27:53.772 --> 00:27:54.973 SUPPORT OF THE BILL. I'LL MOVE 00:27:55.040 --> 00:27:56.708 IT WHEN IT'S TIME. THANK YOU 00:27:56.775 --> 00:27:59.077 SIR. FURTHER COMMENTS OR 00:27:59.144 --> 00:28:05.183 QUESTIONS? SENATOR? REALLY 00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:07.385 QUICKLY. SO I'VE HAD A I'VE HAD 00:28:07.452 --> 00:28:09.921 GREAT CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO 00:28:09.988 --> 00:28:12.724 AUTOMATING LAW ENFORCEMENT. 00:28:12.791 --> 00:28:15.693 JUST IN GENERAL, I THINK FOR A 00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:17.395 VARIETY OF REASONS, I JUST I 00:28:17.462 --> 00:28:22.767 HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME. BUYING 00:28:22.834 --> 00:28:26.738 INTO THE IDEA OF, OF JUST 00:28:26.805 --> 00:28:28.940 HAVING DIGITAL SURVEILLANCE IN 00:28:29.007 --> 00:28:30.008 GENERAL. I'M NOT A BIG BROTHER 00:28:30.075 --> 00:28:33.611 KIND OF A PERSON, BUT REALLY 00:28:33.678 --> 00:28:36.514 QUICK, THIS IS JUST FOR TRANSIT, 00:28:36.581 --> 00:28:40.051 BUS STOPS. YEAH. AND BUS ONLY 00:28:40.118 --> 00:28:41.553 LANES. SO A LOT OF TRANSIT 00:28:41.619 --> 00:28:43.354 AGENCIES WILL HAVE DEDICATED 00:28:43.421 --> 00:28:44.956 ROADWAY FOR THEM TO OPERATE 00:28:45.023 --> 00:28:46.291 THEIR BUSSES ON. AND SO IF YOU 00:28:46.357 --> 00:28:47.425 PARK IN THAT, LIKE SAN 00:28:47.492 --> 00:28:49.160 FRANCISCO IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. 00:28:49.227 --> 00:28:50.395 LA IS DOING MORE OF THIS. BUT 00:28:50.462 --> 00:28:52.297 YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE 00:28:52.363 --> 00:28:53.531 CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, YOU'LL 00:28:53.598 --> 00:28:55.366 SEE THE RED LANES IN THE STREET. 00:28:55.433 --> 00:28:57.168 THOSE ARE BUS ONLY LANES. AND 00:28:57.235 --> 00:28:58.303 IF SOMEONE WERE TO PARK IN 00:28:58.369 --> 00:28:59.471 THOSE, THEY COULD BE TICKETED 00:28:59.537 --> 00:29:01.272 FOR PARKING IN THAT LANE. IT'S 00:29:01.339 --> 00:29:02.373 VERY CLEARLY MARKED FOR THE USE 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.309 OF THE VEHICLE ONLY. SO THE THE 00:29:04.375 --> 00:29:06.177 I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN 00:29:06.244 --> 00:29:07.245 MOVING FORWARD, AND I WOULD 00:29:07.312 --> 00:29:08.446 LOVE TO HEAR MY PUBLIC SAFETY, 00:29:08.513 --> 00:29:10.148 YOU KNOW, COLLEAGUE HEAR HIS 00:29:10.215 --> 00:29:11.816 OPINION ON THIS, BUT I THINK 00:29:11.883 --> 00:29:13.184 THE THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I 00:29:13.251 --> 00:29:15.153 WOULD HAVE IS THAT WE START IN 00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:16.488 THIS SCENARIO AND THEN WE 00:29:16.554 --> 00:29:17.522 EXPAND BECAUSE WE SET 00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:19.691 PRECEDENCE FOR SOMETHING ELSE. 00:29:19.757 --> 00:29:22.760 WE SET FOR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, 00:29:22.827 --> 00:29:24.462 PILOT PROGRAM OR ANOTHER, YOU 00:29:24.529 --> 00:29:25.930 KNOW, SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM. AND 00:29:25.997 --> 00:29:27.999 THAT'S WHERE I'M ALSO HAVING 00:29:28.066 --> 00:29:30.535 HESITATION ON I, I DON'T THINK 00:29:30.602 --> 00:29:32.303 I'VE HEARD OF AN ISSUE WITHIN 00:29:32.370 --> 00:29:34.172 MY DISTRICT ON, ON THIS 00:29:34.239 --> 00:29:35.773 PARTICULAR AREA, BUT WOULD LOVE 00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:38.776 TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON MY 00:29:38.843 --> 00:29:43.448 COLLEAGUE IF THEY HAVE ANY. ALL 00:29:43.515 --> 00:29:45.717 RIGHT. SO I HAVE A FEW SIMILAR 00:29:45.783 --> 00:29:48.119 CONCERNS AS MY COLLEAGUE FROM 00:29:48.186 --> 00:29:51.422 YUCAIPA, BUT FROM A PUBLIC 00:29:51.489 --> 00:29:53.892 SAFETY STANDPOINT, HUMAN 00:29:53.958 --> 00:29:55.693 JUDGMENT, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS 00:29:55.760 --> 00:29:57.896 TO PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, 00:29:57.962 --> 00:30:01.866 ARE IT'S HARD TO REPLACE IT. 00:30:01.933 --> 00:30:03.234 AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ANOTHER 00:30:03.301 --> 00:30:05.003 BILL EARLIER THAT IS, YOU KNOW, 00:30:05.069 --> 00:30:08.339 THE AUTOMATIC PARKING POLICE 00:30:08.406 --> 00:30:10.175 AND PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATES THE, 00:30:10.241 --> 00:30:11.876 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT DO THAT 00:30:11.943 --> 00:30:15.847 FOR A LIVING IN FAVOR OF AI 00:30:15.914 --> 00:30:18.816 TECHNOLOGY AND STUFF. AND THE 00:30:18.883 --> 00:30:20.218 THINGS I THINK ABOUT IN THAT 00:30:20.285 --> 00:30:22.420 CASE ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY, 00:30:22.487 --> 00:30:23.988 THEY GO ALONG AND THEY GENERATE 00:30:24.055 --> 00:30:25.223 A LOT OF TICKETS AND THOSE 00:30:25.290 --> 00:30:27.725 TICKETS ARE HARD TO GO AND, AND, 00:30:27.792 --> 00:30:29.761 AND, AND FIGHT AGAINST BECAUSE 00:30:29.827 --> 00:30:31.029 YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO 00:30:31.095 --> 00:30:33.164 SOMEWHERE, SIT. AND IN THIS 00:30:33.231 --> 00:30:34.966 CASE, LOOK AT, LOOK AT A 00:30:35.033 --> 00:30:36.434 PICTURE AND SAY, YES, THAT WAS 00:30:36.501 --> 00:30:38.937 MINE OR NO, OR HERE WAS THE 00:30:39.003 --> 00:30:40.071 CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, 00:30:40.138 --> 00:30:41.573 MY CAR BROKE DOWN AND THAT'S 00:30:41.639 --> 00:30:44.676 WHERE IT LANDED. AND, AND IT'S, 00:30:44.742 --> 00:30:46.411 IT'S ADJUDICATING THOSE THINGS 00:30:46.477 --> 00:30:47.912 BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT. BUT 00:30:47.979 --> 00:30:50.448 EVEN IN THE PARKING SITUATION, 00:30:50.515 --> 00:30:52.217 YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE 00:30:52.283 --> 00:30:53.384 PARKED, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY 00:30:53.451 --> 00:30:55.220 PARK 12IN FROM THE CURB AND 00:30:55.286 --> 00:30:57.655 YOU'RE, YOU'RE 13 OR YOU'RE 00:30:57.722 --> 00:30:59.190 13IN FROM IT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A 00:30:59.257 --> 00:31:00.525 REALLY THIN CAR, YOU'RE 00:31:00.592 --> 00:31:02.760 ACTUALLY NOT IMPEDING THE ROAD 00:31:02.827 --> 00:31:04.862 LIKE OTHER CARS THAT ARE PARKED 00:31:04.929 --> 00:31:06.664 SIMILARLY ONLY LEGALLY. IT'S 00:31:06.731 --> 00:31:08.099 THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT 00:31:08.166 --> 00:31:09.500 PEOPLE CAN INTERPRET AND GO, OH, 00:31:09.567 --> 00:31:11.269 YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS KIND OF 00:31:11.336 --> 00:31:12.704 A LITTLE BIT OF A SPECIAL 00:31:12.770 --> 00:31:17.075 CIRCUMSTANCE IN THE THING HERE. 00:31:17.141 --> 00:31:18.910 FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY 00:31:18.977 --> 00:31:20.345 PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS JUST MORE 00:31:20.411 --> 00:31:22.513 ABOUT HAVING TO GO IN AND OUT 00:31:22.580 --> 00:31:24.215 OF TRAFFIC, AND THAT CAN CREATE 00:31:24.282 --> 00:31:26.818 SOME PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. I 00:31:26.884 --> 00:31:28.620 DON'T LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE GET 00:31:28.686 --> 00:31:29.988 AWAY WITH DOING THINGS THEY 00:31:30.054 --> 00:31:32.991 SHOULD NOT BE BE DOING. AND WE 00:31:33.057 --> 00:31:34.692 CAN'T HAVE A PERSON ON EVERY, 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.262 EVERY CORNER LOOKING AT THESE 00:31:37.328 --> 00:31:39.330 THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, IN THIS 00:31:39.397 --> 00:31:43.001 PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S 00:31:43.067 --> 00:31:46.170 FAIRLY NARROW. BUT I ALSO SEE 00:31:46.237 --> 00:31:47.972 10,000 TICKETS GENERATED. AND I 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:49.741 ALMOST FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF 00:31:49.807 --> 00:31:52.677 WHAT THE GOAL IS, IS FOR, FOR 00:31:52.744 --> 00:31:53.544 GENERATING TICKETS. I THINK 00:31:53.611 --> 00:31:55.213 THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO BE ABLE 00:31:55.280 --> 00:31:57.048 TO DO THIS WITHOUT TAKING THE 00:31:57.115 --> 00:31:59.517 HUMAN ELEMENT OUT OF IT. SO 00:31:59.584 --> 00:32:01.052 WHERE DOES I GUESS THE QUESTION 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.520 CAN BE, WHERE DOES THE HUMAN 00:32:02.587 --> 00:32:03.955 PART OF THIS COME IN, WHERE 00:32:04.022 --> 00:32:06.090 IT'S NOT SUCH AN INCONVENIENCE 00:32:06.157 --> 00:32:08.126 THAT SOMEBODY WHOSE CAR BREAKS 00:32:08.192 --> 00:32:09.294 DOWN, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING 00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:10.695 ELSE ABOUT IT, DOESN'T HAVE TO 00:32:10.762 --> 00:32:12.196 GO THROUGH A COURT PROCESS OR 00:32:12.263 --> 00:32:15.033 SOME OTHER PROCESS TO, TO BE 00:32:15.099 --> 00:32:16.901 ABLE TO ADJUDICATE THEIR, THEIR 00:32:16.968 --> 00:32:18.936 THING AND NOT GET FINED FOR 00:32:19.003 --> 00:32:20.038 SOMETHING THEY CAN'T AFFORD. 00:32:20.104 --> 00:32:21.539 THE GREAT QUESTION. AND THIS 00:32:21.606 --> 00:32:23.141 ALSO CAME UP WITH THE ASSEMBLY 00:32:23.207 --> 00:32:25.476 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. THE 00:32:25.543 --> 00:32:26.911 CAMERAS ARE MERELY THE TOOL, 00:32:26.978 --> 00:32:29.480 BUT EVERY IMAGE OF A VIOLATION 00:32:29.547 --> 00:32:31.215 HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY A PARKING 00:32:31.282 --> 00:32:32.717 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN A ROOM, 00:32:32.784 --> 00:32:33.918 SO THEY DON'T SEND THE TICKETS 00:32:33.985 --> 00:32:34.886 OUT AUTOMATICALLY. THEY ARE 00:32:34.952 --> 00:32:36.688 LOOKED AT. THERE CAN BE 00:32:36.754 --> 00:32:38.156 FINDINGS OF HARDSHIP. THERE CAN 00:32:38.222 --> 00:32:39.824 BE, AS YOU SAID, LIKE THE SIGN 00:32:39.891 --> 00:32:41.926 THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE THERE 00:32:41.993 --> 00:32:43.194 THAT SAYS IF YOU PARK HERE, YOU 00:32:43.261 --> 00:32:44.996 CAN GET A CAMERA TICKET. IF 00:32:45.063 --> 00:32:46.097 THAT'S NOT CLEAR, THE TREES 00:32:46.164 --> 00:32:47.899 HAVE BLOWN OVER IT. THEY CAN 00:32:47.965 --> 00:32:49.100 DECIDE NOT TO ISSUE THE PARKING 00:32:49.167 --> 00:32:50.234 TICKET. SO THOSE PROTECTIONS 00:32:50.301 --> 00:32:51.903 ARE IN THERE. THERE'S ALSO THE 00:32:51.969 --> 00:32:53.037 ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ASK 00:32:53.104 --> 00:32:55.273 FOR FORGIVENESS ON THE TICKETS 00:32:55.340 --> 00:32:56.741 IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS CAN BE 00:32:56.808 --> 00:32:58.443 MET, JUST LIKE YOUR STANDARD 00:32:58.509 --> 00:32:59.444 PARKING TICKETS. AND THEN I 00:32:59.510 --> 00:33:00.545 JUST REITERATE, WE AREN'T 00:33:00.611 --> 00:33:01.813 CREATING ANY NEW VIOLATIONS. 00:33:01.879 --> 00:33:03.581 THESE ARE ALREADY GOING TO BE 00:33:03.648 --> 00:33:05.483 PARKING VIOLATIONS. AND WE HAVE 00:33:05.550 --> 00:33:07.251 ABOUT A 60 DAY WARNING PERIOD 00:33:07.318 --> 00:33:08.653 WHERE THINGS HAVE TO BE NOTICED. 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:10.355 AND INITIAL THE FIRST OFFENSE, 00:33:10.421 --> 00:33:12.156 SO TO SPEAK, IS A WARNING. AND 00:33:12.223 --> 00:33:14.492 THAT PERIOD. AND SO WE'VE DONE 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.561 OUR BEST TO TRY TO KIND OF 00:33:16.627 --> 00:33:19.097 THREAD THE NEEDLE, IF YOU WILL, 00:33:19.163 --> 00:33:21.199 AND AND NOT GO TOO FAR ON ONE 00:33:21.265 --> 00:33:23.501 SIDE OR THE OTHER IN TERMS OF 00:33:23.568 --> 00:33:25.236 HOW WE USE THOSE TOOLS TO HELP 00:33:25.303 --> 00:33:26.938 ENFORCE THE, THE MOVEMENT OF 00:33:27.004 --> 00:33:27.939 THOSE VEHICLES. SO HOPEFULLY 00:33:28.005 --> 00:33:30.608 THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. NOT 00:33:30.675 --> 00:33:32.110 GETTING A TICKET MEANS YOU 00:33:32.176 --> 00:33:34.245 DIDN'T GET CAUGHT. AND THAT IS 00:33:34.312 --> 00:33:36.714 WITH EVERY TICKET. SO THAT'S 00:33:36.781 --> 00:33:39.250 AND THEN WITH USING AI MEANS 00:33:39.317 --> 00:33:42.120 EVERYBODY GETS CAUGHT, WHETHER 00:33:42.186 --> 00:33:44.689 IT'S AI SPEED CAMERAS OR AI 00:33:44.756 --> 00:33:47.892 PARKING ENFORCEMENT. YEAH. AND 00:33:47.959 --> 00:33:49.727 THE EGREGIOUSNESS THAT'S 00:33:49.794 --> 00:33:51.095 ATTACHED WITH IT IS MORE OF 00:33:51.162 --> 00:33:52.563 WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO 00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:54.031 CONTROL. AND THAT'S HARD TO DO 00:33:54.098 --> 00:33:56.234 WITH AI. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, I 00:33:56.300 --> 00:33:57.568 THINK THAT'S THE MAIN ARGUMENT 00:33:57.635 --> 00:34:00.805 WITH, WITH BEING CONCERNED 00:34:00.872 --> 00:34:03.408 ABOUT THIS GOING TOO FAR. AND, 00:34:03.474 --> 00:34:07.245 AND SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW IF 00:34:07.311 --> 00:34:08.880 YOU HAVE OTHER STATISTICS FOR 00:34:08.946 --> 00:34:10.581 THE PILOT PROGRAM. THAT 00:34:10.648 --> 00:34:12.784 BASICALLY WAS WHAT THIS WAS 00:34:12.850 --> 00:34:14.886 GENERATED OFF OF. CORRECT. BUT 00:34:14.952 --> 00:34:16.387 THOSE WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND I 00:34:16.454 --> 00:34:17.855 KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST STEPPING 00:34:17.922 --> 00:34:19.957 INTO THIS COMMITTEE TO. BUT WE 00:34:20.024 --> 00:34:21.659 DID HAVE THIS IN TRANSPORTATION 00:34:21.726 --> 00:34:23.194 ALSO. AND I HAD THOSE SIMILAR 00:34:23.261 --> 00:34:24.562 CONCERNS. I'LL SAY TWO THINGS. 00:34:24.629 --> 00:34:26.164 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY 00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:28.199 THAT WILL WILL ANSWER OR 00:34:28.266 --> 00:34:31.502 ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS. WE HAVE, 00:34:31.569 --> 00:34:32.670 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTS 00:34:32.737 --> 00:34:34.472 THAT HAVE COME IN FROM THE 00:34:34.539 --> 00:34:35.440 LEGISLATURE, TWO THINGS I'LL 00:34:35.506 --> 00:34:36.674 POINT OUT. ONE IS WE HAVE BEEN 00:34:36.741 --> 00:34:38.509 ASKED TO INCLUDE A QUESTION ON 00:34:38.576 --> 00:34:39.744 WERE THERE ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT 00:34:39.811 --> 00:34:40.711 PRIVACY, ABOUT DATA BREACHES, 00:34:40.778 --> 00:34:42.680 ETC. AND ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT 00:34:42.747 --> 00:34:43.881 HAVE RUN SINCE ZERO SEVEN? THE 00:34:43.948 --> 00:34:45.783 ANSWER IS NO, NOT A SINGLE ONE. 00:34:45.850 --> 00:34:48.019 THE OTHER THING IS WE SEE 00:34:48.085 --> 00:34:50.521 BEHAVIOR CHANGE FROM THE MOMENT 00:34:50.588 --> 00:34:51.956 THEY GET THAT FIRST VIOLATION. 00:34:52.023 --> 00:34:53.491 THERE AREN'T A LOT OF REPEAT 00:34:53.558 --> 00:34:54.592 OFFENDERS IN THIS PROGRAM, SO 00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:56.461 IT IS WORKING AND IS HAVING ITS 00:34:56.527 --> 00:34:58.463 INTENDED OUTCOME BECAUSE IT IS 00:34:58.529 --> 00:34:59.564 DETERRING PEOPLE FROM 00:34:59.630 --> 00:35:00.631 CONTINUING TO PARK IN THOSE 00:35:00.698 --> 00:35:02.600 AREAS. SO HOPEFULLY, SENATOR, 00:35:02.667 --> 00:35:04.202 THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A NUGGET 00:35:04.268 --> 00:35:05.369 ON THE THE REPORTS AND WHAT 00:35:05.436 --> 00:35:07.071 THEY'VE SHOWN. I WOULD NOTE 00:35:07.138 --> 00:35:08.539 THAT THOSE REPORTS ARE NOW 00:35:08.606 --> 00:35:10.174 REQUIRED TO BE A BIT MORE 00:35:10.241 --> 00:35:11.309 DETAILED AND SORT OF HOW WE 00:35:11.375 --> 00:35:13.244 COME UP WITH THAT DATA BACK TO 00:35:13.311 --> 00:35:15.179 YOU ALL. AND SO THE NEXT ROUND 00:35:15.246 --> 00:35:17.949 YOU WILL SEE, I THINK, A MORE 00:35:18.015 --> 00:35:18.983 INVOLVED PRIVACY RESPONSE DATA, 00:35:19.050 --> 00:35:25.089 DATA SHARING RESPONSE THAT. SO 00:35:25.156 --> 00:35:27.158 THANKS FOR THE WORK ON THIS AND 00:35:27.225 --> 00:35:28.693 I REALLY APPRECIATE THE 00:35:28.759 --> 00:35:29.694 CONVERSATION IN THE COMMITTEE. 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.496 AS YOU AS YOU CAN TELL, PRIVACY 00:35:31.562 --> 00:35:33.331 IS OUR FIRST NAME HERE AT THIS 00:35:33.397 --> 00:35:36.601 COMMITTEE. SO IT IS A VERY 00:35:36.667 --> 00:35:38.069 IMPORTANT PROTECTION THAT WE'RE 00:35:38.135 --> 00:35:40.571 TRYING TO PURSUE. I ALMOST WISH 00:35:40.638 --> 00:35:42.006 WE DIDN'T CALL THIS AUTOMATED 00:35:42.073 --> 00:35:42.874 TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE 00:35:42.940 --> 00:35:44.141 IT'S ACTUALLY THE ENFORCEMENT 00:35:44.208 --> 00:35:46.777 PART IS NOT AUTOMATED. THIS IS 00:35:46.844 --> 00:35:48.079 AUTOMATIC. THIS IS AUTOMATED 00:35:48.145 --> 00:35:50.848 TRANSIT SENSING IN THE SAME WAY 00:35:50.915 --> 00:35:52.617 THAT THE, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER 00:35:52.683 --> 00:35:54.585 ON THE HIGHWAY WITH A RADAR GUN, 00:35:54.652 --> 00:35:56.420 THE, THE RADAR GUN PERFORMS A 00:35:56.487 --> 00:35:57.321 FUNCTION THAT THE OFFICER USED 00:35:57.388 --> 00:36:00.024 TO DO, WHICH IS COUNTING REALLY 00:36:00.091 --> 00:36:01.425 QUICKLY THE CAR LENGTHS AND 00:36:01.492 --> 00:36:02.493 WHAT HAVE YOU TRYING TO 00:36:02.560 --> 00:36:03.594 ESTIMATE THE SPEED AND IT'S 00:36:03.661 --> 00:36:05.530 HEAD IN HIS OR HER HEAD DOING 00:36:05.596 --> 00:36:06.697 SOME MATH IN THE MOMENT AND 00:36:06.764 --> 00:36:08.499 THAT AUTOMATES IT. BUT THEN THE 00:36:08.566 --> 00:36:09.700 OFFICER IS STILL THEN THEN SAYS, 00:36:09.767 --> 00:36:11.869 OKAY, THE RADAR GUN SAYS THIS 00:36:11.936 --> 00:36:13.638 AND BUT HERE'S HOW THE REST OF 00:36:13.704 --> 00:36:15.139 TRAFFIC IS MOVING. HERE'S WHAT 00:36:15.206 --> 00:36:16.574 THE HERE'S WHAT THE DRIVER IS 00:36:16.641 --> 00:36:18.042 TRYING TO AVOID OR NOT. SO 00:36:18.109 --> 00:36:19.110 THERE'S STILL THE ALL THE HUMAN 00:36:19.176 --> 00:36:20.111 JUDGMENT IN THE ACTUAL 00:36:20.177 --> 00:36:21.379 ENFORCEMENT. IT SIMPLY EXTENDS 00:36:21.445 --> 00:36:23.281 THE CAPACITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT 00:36:23.347 --> 00:36:25.550 TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S WHAT'S, 00:36:25.616 --> 00:36:27.385 WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE BENEFIT 00:36:27.451 --> 00:36:28.553 BOTH OF THE DRIVER. BUT AS I 00:36:28.619 --> 00:36:30.454 THINK, AS THE VICE CHAIR HAS 00:36:30.521 --> 00:36:31.756 NOTED, HAS IMPORTANT 00:36:31.822 --> 00:36:33.124 IMPLICATIONS FOR, FOR PUBLIC 00:36:33.190 --> 00:36:35.026 SAFETY, BECAUSE WITH BOTH BIKE 00:36:35.092 --> 00:36:37.161 LANES AND AND BUS LANES, WHEN 00:36:37.228 --> 00:36:38.462 THERE ARE VEHICLES PARKED IN 00:36:38.529 --> 00:36:39.630 THEM, IT DOES REQUIRE 00:36:39.697 --> 00:36:41.732 BICYCLISTS AND BUSSES TO MAKE 00:36:41.799 --> 00:36:44.702 ABRUPT MOVEMENTS INTO INTO 00:36:44.769 --> 00:36:45.703 REGULAR TRAFFIC, WHICH IS NOT 00:36:45.770 --> 00:36:47.538 SAFE FOR ANYONE. SO IT ISN'T A 00:36:47.605 --> 00:36:50.107 IT'S NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME, 00:36:50.174 --> 00:36:51.175 ESSENTIALLY, TO BE TO BE 00:36:51.242 --> 00:36:52.543 ENGAGING IN THAT BEHAVIOR. AND 00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:54.045 MOST FOLKS DO IT BECAUSE THEY 00:36:54.111 --> 00:36:55.112 DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO 00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:57.248 GET CAUGHT. AND SO THIS SIMPLY 00:36:57.315 --> 00:36:58.382 ALLOWS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO 00:36:58.449 --> 00:36:59.750 USE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN 00:36:59.817 --> 00:37:00.918 MAKE EXACTLY THE JUDGMENT THAT 00:37:00.985 --> 00:37:02.453 THEY WOULD HAVE MADE WITH ANY 00:37:02.520 --> 00:37:03.688 OTHER SORT OF INFORMATION ABOUT 00:37:03.754 --> 00:37:05.556 THE ACTUAL VIOLATION WHILE 00:37:05.623 --> 00:37:06.958 PROTECTING THEIR, THEIR PRIVACY. 00:37:07.024 --> 00:37:08.993 SO TO ME, THIS IS A, IT IS A 00:37:09.060 --> 00:37:10.227 SENSIBLE WAY FOR AND IT STRIKES 00:37:10.294 --> 00:37:12.530 THE RIGHT BALANCE, RECOGNIZING 00:37:12.597 --> 00:37:13.598 THAT THERE ARE VERY IMPORTANT 00:37:13.664 --> 00:37:14.932 PUBLIC SAFETY BENEFITS, BUT 00:37:14.999 --> 00:37:16.701 ALSO TRANSIT AND ALL THE WORK 00:37:16.767 --> 00:37:17.768 THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON 00:37:17.835 --> 00:37:18.803 TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT 00:37:18.869 --> 00:37:20.271 AND, AND PUBLIC TRANSIT, THAT 00:37:20.338 --> 00:37:22.039 ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY 00:37:22.106 --> 00:37:24.241 PEOPLE SAY THEY RIDE OR DON'T 00:37:24.308 --> 00:37:25.943 RIDE OR STOP RIDING OR WE'RE 00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:27.078 COMING BACK TO RIDE IS AM I 00:37:27.144 --> 00:37:29.580 GOING TO GET TO MY DESTINATION 00:37:29.647 --> 00:37:31.816 RELIABLY AND ON TIME? AND ONE 00:37:31.882 --> 00:37:33.517 OF THE, ONE OF THE MAJOR 00:37:33.584 --> 00:37:34.752 FACTORS WHY THAT IT'S NOT 00:37:34.819 --> 00:37:36.120 RELIABLE OR ON TIME IN MANY 00:37:36.187 --> 00:37:38.255 CASES WILL BE EXACTLY THIS KIND 00:37:38.322 --> 00:37:39.824 OF OF PARKING IN THE STREET AND 00:37:39.890 --> 00:37:41.626 THAT. SO FOR OUR TRANSIT POLICY 00:37:41.692 --> 00:37:42.627 AND THEREFORE OUR HOUSING 00:37:42.693 --> 00:37:44.028 POLICY AND SO MUCH MORE, IT IS 00:37:44.095 --> 00:37:45.162 REALLY CRITICAL THAT WHAT 00:37:45.229 --> 00:37:46.697 SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL ISSUE IS 00:37:46.764 --> 00:37:48.099 ACTUALLY QUITE IMPORTANT FOR 00:37:48.165 --> 00:37:49.467 LAW ENFORCEMENT, HOUSING AND 00:37:49.533 --> 00:37:52.370 FOR TRANSPORTATION. AND THE 00:37:52.436 --> 00:37:54.105 HUMAN IS STILL THE ONE MAKING 00:37:54.171 --> 00:37:56.273 THE DECISIONS IN THE SAME EXACT 00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:57.408 WAY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MADE 00:37:57.475 --> 00:37:58.442 OTHERWISE. IT'S SIMPLY THAT 00:37:58.509 --> 00:37:59.910 THEIR CAPACITY TO REVIEW THESE 00:37:59.977 --> 00:38:01.278 CASES HAS GOTTEN BIGGER AS A 00:38:01.345 --> 00:38:03.547 RESULT OF THE TECHNOLOGY. 00:38:03.614 --> 00:38:05.316 FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 00:38:05.383 --> 00:38:07.084 YEAH, FIGURING IT OUT. YEAH. SO 00:38:07.151 --> 00:38:09.286 I APPRECIATE THE WORK ON THIS. 00:38:09.353 --> 00:38:10.721 WHEN WE HAVE A QUORUM, THE 00:38:10.788 --> 00:38:11.922 RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO PASS. 00:38:11.989 --> 00:38:13.658 THERE ARE NO AMENDMENTS ON THIS 00:38:13.724 --> 00:38:15.760 BILL. MR. GONZALEZ, WOULD YOU 00:38:15.826 --> 00:38:17.662 LIKE TO CLOSE JUST JUST TO HAVE 00:38:17.728 --> 00:38:19.263 A COUPLE OF LOOSE ENDS? SO I 00:38:19.330 --> 00:38:20.765 REPRESENT DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES, 00:38:20.831 --> 00:38:22.500 KOREATOWN, CHINATOWN, AND A LOT 00:38:22.566 --> 00:38:23.701 OF THESE AREAS ARE ONE OF THE 00:38:23.768 --> 00:38:25.636 MOST DENSEST PARTS OF THE STATE. 00:38:25.703 --> 00:38:26.937 LOS ANGELES, THE CITY OF 4 00:38:27.004 --> 00:38:28.406 MILLION, THE COUNTY'S 10 00:38:28.472 --> 00:38:30.474 MILLION. AND THOSE AREAS 00:38:30.541 --> 00:38:31.475 BECAUSE THEY'RE TRANSITIONING 00:38:31.542 --> 00:38:33.778 TO MORE TRANSIT FRIENDLY 00:38:33.844 --> 00:38:35.913 BUSSING AREAS. AND FOR FOLKS ON 00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:37.114 BIKES, WE'RE REDUCING SOME 00:38:37.181 --> 00:38:39.016 AREAS TO ONE LANE. AND WHEN YOU 00:38:39.083 --> 00:38:40.651 DO THAT, THAT DOES CLOG THE 00:38:40.718 --> 00:38:41.452 STREETS. WHEN YOU DO THAT. 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.087 WE'RE ALSO THE HOME RIGHT NOW 00:38:43.154 --> 00:38:44.221 TO THE WORLD CUP. AND SO 00:38:44.288 --> 00:38:46.090 THERE'S A LOT OF DESIGNATED BUS 00:38:46.157 --> 00:38:48.059 LANES AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS A 00:38:48.125 --> 00:38:49.393 WAY TO BE MORE PREVENTATIVE TO 00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:50.394 THAT COUPLE OF BACKGROUND 00:38:50.461 --> 00:38:53.564 PIECES HERE. AB 917 BLOOM FROM 00:38:53.631 --> 00:38:55.032 2021 ESTABLISHES THE AUTHORITY 00:38:55.099 --> 00:38:56.233 FOR ALL PUBLIC TRANSIT AGENCIES 00:38:56.300 --> 00:38:57.868 IN THE STATE TO INSTALL FORWARD 00:38:57.935 --> 00:38:58.969 FACING CAMERAS ON PUBLIC 00:38:59.036 --> 00:39:00.004 TRANSIT VEHICLES. SO WE'VE 00:39:00.071 --> 00:39:02.273 ALREADY HAD THAT EXISTING BILL 00:39:02.339 --> 00:39:06.143 SECONDARILY AB 361 FOR 2023 00:39:06.210 --> 00:39:07.311 GAVE A SIMILAR AUTHORITY TO 00:39:07.378 --> 00:39:08.646 INSTALL AN AUTOMATED FORWARD 00:39:08.713 --> 00:39:10.114 FACING PARKING CONTROL DEVICE 00:39:10.181 --> 00:39:11.549 ON CITY OWNED OR DISTRICT OWNED 00:39:11.615 --> 00:39:12.483 PARKING ENFORCEMENT VEHICLES 00:39:12.550 --> 00:39:13.718 FOR THE PURPOSE OF VIDEO 00:39:13.784 --> 00:39:15.119 IMAGING OR PARKING VIOLATIONS 00:39:15.186 --> 00:39:16.587 OCCURRING IN BICYCLE LANES. SO 00:39:16.654 --> 00:39:18.255 THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THE 00:39:18.322 --> 00:39:20.191 HISTORY OF HOW THIS IS 00:39:20.257 --> 00:39:21.258 INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY 00:39:21.325 --> 00:39:22.760 EXISTED. THIS EXISTING 00:39:22.827 --> 00:39:23.427 AUTHORITY FOR CAMERA 00:39:23.494 --> 00:39:24.662 ENFORCEMENT EXPIRES ON JANUARY 00:39:24.729 --> 00:39:26.697 1ST OF 2027. SO WE WANT TO 00:39:26.764 --> 00:39:28.199 CONTINUE THE PROGRESS THAT BILL 00:39:28.265 --> 00:39:29.934 HAS MADE. AND THEN JUST TO 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.702 REITERATE SOME OF THE PIECES OF 00:39:31.769 --> 00:39:33.237 THIS BILL, IT PROVIDES WAYS TO 00:39:33.304 --> 00:39:34.605 REDUCE OR WAIVE ANY PARKING 00:39:34.672 --> 00:39:35.606 PENALTY WITH PAYMENT PLANS FOR 00:39:35.673 --> 00:39:37.875 COMMUNITY SERVICES. IT'S DOING 00:39:37.942 --> 00:39:39.276 PUBLIC OUTREACH TO PROVIDE 00:39:39.343 --> 00:39:40.277 INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROGRAM 00:39:40.344 --> 00:39:42.880 FOR 60 DAYS BEFORE ISSUING 00:39:42.947 --> 00:39:43.981 VIOLATIONS, AND ALLOWS THE 00:39:44.048 --> 00:39:45.382 AGENCY TO DECLINE ISSUING A 00:39:45.449 --> 00:39:46.450 TICKET IF THERE'S A VIDEO 00:39:46.517 --> 00:39:48.285 EVIDENCE OF HARDSHIP. SO THAT'S 00:39:48.352 --> 00:39:50.087 ALSO PART OF THIS BILL. AND 00:39:50.154 --> 00:39:51.255 EXISTING LAW ALSO CONTAINS 00:39:51.322 --> 00:39:52.656 EXTENSIVE PRIVACY PROTECTIONS, 00:39:52.723 --> 00:39:54.725 WHICH ENTAILS A VIDEO. EVIDENCE 00:39:54.792 --> 00:39:55.926 OF VIOLATIONS CAN ONLY BE 00:39:55.993 --> 00:39:57.695 RETAINED UP TO 60 DAYS AFTER 00:39:57.762 --> 00:39:59.296 THE CITATION HAS BEEN PAID, OR 00:39:59.363 --> 00:40:01.265 AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AFTER WHICH 00:40:01.332 --> 00:40:03.067 IMAGES MUST BE DESTROYED. VIDEO 00:40:03.134 --> 00:40:04.668 IMAGES DO NOT CONTAIN EVIDENCE, 00:40:04.735 --> 00:40:06.003 HAVE BEEN DESTROYED AFTER 15 00:40:06.070 --> 00:40:07.505 DAYS, AND VIDEO IMAGES CAN ONLY 00:40:07.571 --> 00:40:08.506 BE USED FOR ENFORCING 00:40:08.572 --> 00:40:10.741 VIOLATIONS PURSUANT TO A B 917. 00:40:10.808 --> 00:40:12.710 SO THIS EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE 00:40:12.777 --> 00:40:13.878 WE'VE ALREADY PASSED IN THIS 00:40:13.944 --> 00:40:15.513 HOUSE, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S NOT 00:40:15.579 --> 00:40:16.714 A LOT OF AMENDMENTS ON IT. BUT 00:40:16.781 --> 00:40:18.516 WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ALREADY SORT 00:40:18.582 --> 00:40:19.950 OF ON TRACK TO THAT. AND SO 00:40:20.017 --> 00:40:21.652 WITH THAT, THIS BILL IS SIMPLE. 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:22.586 WHEN BUSSES MOVE, OUR 00:40:22.653 --> 00:40:24.054 COMMUNITIES MOVE. AB 1837 KEEPS 00:40:24.121 --> 00:40:25.456 IT THAT WAY. THERE'S NO 00:40:25.523 --> 00:40:26.590 OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL. SO 00:40:26.657 --> 00:40:28.192 LET'S NOT HIT THE BRAKES ON 00:40:28.259 --> 00:40:29.960 PROGRESS. THANK YOU. AND I 00:40:30.027 --> 00:40:31.028 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR AYE 00:40:31.095 --> 00:40:32.963 VOTE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ONE SHY 00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:34.965 OF A QUORUM. SO WE WHEN WE DO 00:40:35.032 --> 00:40:36.100 ACHIEVE A QUORUM, THE MOTION 00:40:36.167 --> 00:40:37.601 WILL BE MADE AS DUE PASS 00:40:37.668 --> 00:40:38.669 RECOMMENDATION. SO THANK YOU, 00:40:38.736 --> 00:40:42.306 MR. GONZALEZ. ASSEMBLY MEMBER 00:40:42.373 --> 00:40:46.977 FONG HAS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. AB 00:40:47.044 --> 00:40:49.313 2392. WELCOME. AND PLEASE BEGIN 00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:52.750 WHEN YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU SO 00:40:52.817 --> 00:40:54.418 MUCH. GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR 00:40:54.485 --> 00:40:56.353 AND SENATORS. LAST AUGUST, THE 00:40:56.420 --> 00:40:57.822 ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE ON HIGHER 00:40:57.888 --> 00:40:58.522 EDUCATION PARTNERED WITH THE 00:40:58.589 --> 00:41:00.024 COMMITTEE ON PRIVACY AND 00:41:00.090 --> 00:41:02.159 CONSUMER AFFAIRS TO REVIEW THE 00:41:02.226 --> 00:41:03.894 CSU'S AI EMPOWERED INITIATIVE. 00:41:03.961 --> 00:41:05.996 IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, THE CSU 00:41:06.063 --> 00:41:07.498 SYSTEM ANNOUNCED A PUBLIC 00:41:07.565 --> 00:41:08.666 PRIVATE INITIATIVE TO BECOME 00:41:08.732 --> 00:41:10.801 THE NATION'S FIRST AND LARGEST 00:41:10.868 --> 00:41:12.870 AI EMPOWERED UNIVERSITY SYSTEM. 00:41:12.937 --> 00:41:14.471 AN ELEMENT OF THIS INITIATIVE 00:41:14.538 --> 00:41:16.874 INCLUDED PROVIDING ALL 470,000 00:41:16.941 --> 00:41:19.176 CSU STUDENTS AND 63,000 FACULTY 00:41:19.243 --> 00:41:22.746 AND STAFF WITH ACCESS TO 00:41:22.813 --> 00:41:24.849 CHATGPT EDU, A KEY FINDING FROM 00:41:24.915 --> 00:41:26.584 OUR JOINT OVERSIGHT HEARING WAS 00:41:26.650 --> 00:41:28.385 THAT AI TOOLS, INCLUDING 00:41:28.452 --> 00:41:30.154 CHATGPT EDU, WERE BEING 00:41:30.221 --> 00:41:32.356 DEPLOYED WITHOUT ACCOMPANYING 00:41:32.423 --> 00:41:33.824 TRAINING BEING PROVIDED. IN 00:41:33.891 --> 00:41:35.125 FACT, CURRENT LAW DOES NOT 00:41:35.192 --> 00:41:36.060 REQUIRE CALIFORNIA'S PUBLIC 00:41:36.126 --> 00:41:37.728 HIGHER EDUCATION SYSTEMS. THE 00:41:37.795 --> 00:41:38.963 CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGES, 00:41:39.029 --> 00:41:40.564 THE CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY 00:41:40.631 --> 00:41:42.233 OR THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA 00:41:42.299 --> 00:41:44.235 TO PROVIDE TRAINING TO STUDENTS, 00:41:44.301 --> 00:41:46.036 FACULTY OR STAFF BEFORE 00:41:46.103 --> 00:41:48.138 DEPLOYING GENERATIVE AI TOOLS. 00:41:48.205 --> 00:41:49.640 NOR DOES IT ESTABLISH ANY 00:41:49.707 --> 00:41:51.075 PROCUREMENT STANDARDS OR 00:41:51.141 --> 00:41:51.742 TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS 00:41:51.809 --> 00:41:53.544 GOVERNING HOW THESE SYSTEMS ARE 00:41:53.611 --> 00:41:55.613 SELECTED AND ACQUIRED. ASSEMBLY 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.883 BILL 2319 SEEKS TO REMEDY THIS 00:41:58.949 --> 00:42:00.017 GAP BY CONVENING A WORKING 00:42:00.084 --> 00:42:01.685 GROUP BETWEEN OUR PUBLIC HIGHER 00:42:01.752 --> 00:42:02.686 EDUCATION SEGMENTS TO DEVELOP 00:42:02.753 --> 00:42:03.220 RESPONSIBLE GENERATIVE AI 00:42:03.287 --> 00:42:04.855 TRAINING PROCUREMENT STANDARDS 00:42:04.922 --> 00:42:06.190 AND PROVIDE TRAINING TO OUR 00:42:06.257 --> 00:42:07.491 STUDENTS, FACULTY AND STAFF. WE 00:42:07.558 --> 00:42:09.026 HAVE WORKED HARD TO ENGAGE 00:42:09.093 --> 00:42:10.227 STAKEHOLDERS AND TO ENSURE THAT 00:42:10.294 --> 00:42:12.263 THIS ESTABLISHES ATTAINABLE 00:42:12.329 --> 00:42:13.297 STANDARDS THAT WILL BENEFIT 00:42:13.364 --> 00:42:14.431 STUDENTS, FACULTY AND STAFF 00:42:14.498 --> 00:42:16.033 ACROSS OUR SEGMENTS, WHILE ALSO 00:42:16.100 --> 00:42:17.301 BEING MINDFUL TO DUPLICATE 00:42:17.368 --> 00:42:18.936 WORKLOAD FOR THE SEGMENTS. HERE 00:42:19.003 --> 00:42:20.170 TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT. AS 00:42:20.237 --> 00:42:21.906 AUSTIN WEBSTER, REPRESENTING 00:42:21.972 --> 00:42:23.073 THE ACADEMIC SENATE OF THE 00:42:23.140 --> 00:42:24.842 CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY COLLEGES. 00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:26.110 GOOD MORNING, CHAIR MEMBERS. 00:42:26.176 --> 00:42:27.344 AUSTIN WEBSTER WITH W 00:42:27.411 --> 00:42:28.045 STRATEGIES. ON BEHALF OF THE 00:42:28.112 --> 00:42:29.513 ACADEMIC SENATE FOR CALIFORNIA 00:42:29.580 --> 00:42:31.015 COMMUNITY COLLEGES. HERE IN 00:42:31.081 --> 00:42:33.150 SUPPORT. AS TRIPLE C RECOGNIZES 00:42:33.217 --> 00:42:35.686 THAT GEN AI HAS POSITIVE 00:42:35.753 --> 00:42:37.121 BENEFITS TO OUR FACULTY, OUR 00:42:37.187 --> 00:42:38.222 STUDENTS, AND OUR STAFF, 00:42:38.289 --> 00:42:39.990 INCLUDING ENHANCED PRODUCTIVITY 00:42:40.057 --> 00:42:41.492 LESSON PLANNING. BUT IT'S. 00:42:41.558 --> 00:42:43.193 RAPID DEPLOYMENT HAS OUTPACED 00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:44.194 INSTITUTIONAL POLICIES AND 00:42:44.261 --> 00:42:46.463 CREATED A DOCUMENTED GAP 00:42:46.530 --> 00:42:48.966 BETWEEN THE USAGE AND AI 00:42:49.033 --> 00:42:51.068 COMPETENCY. AS THE AUTHOR JUST 00:42:51.135 --> 00:42:52.169 MENTIONED, JOINT OVERSIGHT 00:42:52.236 --> 00:42:54.371 HEARING IN 2025 HIGHLIGHTED 00:42:54.438 --> 00:42:55.272 SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS REGARDING 00:42:55.339 --> 00:42:56.941 THE LACK OF UPFRONT TRAINING 00:42:57.007 --> 00:42:58.742 AND CLEAR PRIVACY POLICIES WITH 00:42:58.809 --> 00:43:00.110 MAJOR AI INITIATIVES THAT WERE 00:43:00.177 --> 00:43:01.478 LAUNCHED ACROSS THE PUBLIC 00:43:01.545 --> 00:43:04.048 SEGMENTS. MANY STUDENTS AND 00:43:04.114 --> 00:43:06.150 FACULTY REMAIN UNCERTAIN ABOUT 00:43:06.216 --> 00:43:07.651 ACCEPTABLE USE, THE BOUNDARIES 00:43:07.718 --> 00:43:09.787 OF ACADEMIC INTEGRITY, AND HOW 00:43:09.853 --> 00:43:11.322 PRIVATE DATA AND PROMPTS ARE 00:43:11.388 --> 00:43:12.756 COLLECTED, STORED, AND USED BY 00:43:12.823 --> 00:43:15.926 AI PROVIDERS. AB 2392 GOALS IS 00:43:15.993 --> 00:43:17.328 TO ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES. 00:43:17.394 --> 00:43:18.829 TRAINING STANDARDS DEVELOPED BY 00:43:18.896 --> 00:43:20.064 THE PROPOSED WORKGROUP WILL 00:43:20.130 --> 00:43:21.532 SEEK TO CLARIFY INSTITUTIONAL 00:43:21.598 --> 00:43:23.467 AND ACADEMIC INTEGRITY POLICIES, 00:43:23.534 --> 00:43:25.302 DISCLOSE DATA PRACTICES AND 00:43:25.369 --> 00:43:28.138 GUIDE USERS ON AI LIMITATIONS, 00:43:28.205 --> 00:43:29.239 INCLUDING THE RISK OF 00:43:29.306 --> 00:43:30.808 INACCURATE AND MISLEADING 00:43:30.874 --> 00:43:32.576 OUTPUTS. ADDITIONALLY, THE 00:43:32.643 --> 00:43:33.444 BILL'S PROCUREMENT STANDARDS 00:43:33.510 --> 00:43:34.945 WILL HELP ENSURE THAT ADOPTED 00:43:35.012 --> 00:43:36.580 GEN AI SYSTEMS MEET STRICT 00:43:36.647 --> 00:43:37.948 PROTECTIONS REGARDING RISK 00:43:38.015 --> 00:43:39.350 ASSESSMENT, SAFETY MONITORING, 00:43:39.416 --> 00:43:41.852 DATA MINIMIZATION, AND LABOR 00:43:41.919 --> 00:43:43.954 STANDARDS. IT ALSO REQUIRES 00:43:44.021 --> 00:43:44.822 TRANSPARENT, WRITTEN REPORTING 00:43:44.888 --> 00:43:46.123 TO THE LEGISLATURE FOR ANY 00:43:46.190 --> 00:43:47.958 PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN 00:43:48.025 --> 00:43:50.160 ADOPTED. BY FOSTERING A 00:43:50.227 --> 00:43:51.295 COLLABORATIVE, INTERSEGMENTAL 00:43:51.362 --> 00:43:53.697 APPROACH TO AI GOVERNANCE, AB 00:43:53.764 --> 00:43:55.199 2392 ENSURES THAT TECHNICAL 00:43:55.265 --> 00:43:56.934 INNOVATION DOES NOT COME AT THE 00:43:57.001 --> 00:43:58.502 EXPENSE OF PRIVACY, ACADEMIC 00:43:58.569 --> 00:44:00.204 INTEGRITY OR PROPER PREPARATION 00:44:00.270 --> 00:44:01.905 FOR OUR FACULTY, OUR STAFF, AND 00:44:01.972 --> 00:44:03.741 MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR STUDENTS. 00:44:03.807 --> 00:44:05.309 AS TRIPLE C WOULD LIKE TO THANK 00:44:05.376 --> 00:44:07.144 THE AUTHOR FOR HIS EFFORTS ON 00:44:07.211 --> 00:44:08.178 THIS BILL AND RESPECTFULLY ASK 00:44:08.245 --> 00:44:11.048 FOR YOUR VOTE. ALL RIGHT. ARE 00:44:11.115 --> 00:44:12.249 THERE ANY WITNESSES THAT WISH 00:44:12.316 --> 00:44:13.484 TO REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT FOR 00:44:13.550 --> 00:44:20.724 THE BILL? BEFORE TURNING TO THE 00:44:20.791 --> 00:44:22.726 OPPOSITION, LET'S CALL THE ROLL 00:44:22.793 --> 00:44:26.797 TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM. SENATORS. 00:44:26.864 --> 00:44:31.335 HERE, HERE, HERE. CIERTO. HERE. 00:44:31.402 --> 00:44:31.935 GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. 00:44:32.002 --> 00:44:35.472 HERE. OCHOA. HERE. PADILLA. 00:44:35.539 --> 00:44:37.641 PADILLA. HERE. REYES. UMBERG. 00:44:37.708 --> 00:44:41.678 WIENER. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY. 00:44:41.745 --> 00:44:43.380 EVERYONE'S FAVORITE JUNE PHRASE. 00:44:43.447 --> 00:44:45.949 A QUORUM IS PRESENT. NOW WE'RE 00:44:46.016 --> 00:44:49.420 WISHING TO REGISTER SUPPORT. 00:44:49.486 --> 00:44:51.855 ANA SANTIAGO WITH MESA VERDE 00:44:51.922 --> 00:44:52.990 GROUP HERE ON BEHALF OF CAL 00:44:53.057 --> 00:44:54.525 STATE STUDENT ASSOCIATION AND 00:44:54.591 --> 00:44:56.226 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 00:44:56.293 --> 00:44:58.762 THANK YOU. THE SENATOR. ANYONE 00:44:58.829 --> 00:45:00.097 WISH TO TESTIFY IN OPPOSITION 00:45:00.164 --> 00:45:02.733 TO THE BILL? DOES ANYONE WISH 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.936 TO REGISTER OPPOSITION? SEEING 00:45:06.003 --> 00:45:06.703 NONE, LET'S TURN TO THE 00:45:06.770 --> 00:45:08.138 COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR 00:45:08.205 --> 00:45:12.476 COMMENTS. SENATOR MCNERNEY. HEY, 00:45:12.543 --> 00:45:14.645 THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. 00:45:14.711 --> 00:45:16.480 THANKS FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. 00:45:16.547 --> 00:45:19.383 YOU KNOW, AI IS CHANGING A LOT 00:45:19.450 --> 00:45:21.118 OF WAYS. WE'RE DOING THINGS, 00:45:21.185 --> 00:45:24.354 ESPECIALLY IN EDUCATION AND 00:45:24.421 --> 00:45:25.622 ACTUALLY ASKING THE UNIVERSITY. 00:45:25.689 --> 00:45:28.058 THIS IS BASICALLY A STUDY ASKED 00:45:28.125 --> 00:45:30.127 THE UNIVERSITIES IN CALIFORNIA 00:45:30.194 --> 00:45:32.229 AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO PUT 00:45:32.296 --> 00:45:34.131 TOGETHER A PLAN FOR HOW THE 00:45:34.198 --> 00:45:36.600 STUDENTS ARE TRAINED IN AI AND 00:45:36.667 --> 00:45:39.169 HOW AI CAN BE USED IN A IN A 00:45:39.236 --> 00:45:40.737 BENEFICIAL WAY. I THINK THAT'S 00:45:40.804 --> 00:45:46.410 GOING TO BE A IMPORTANT STEP IN 00:45:46.477 --> 00:45:48.512 MAKING THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM 00:45:48.579 --> 00:45:49.913 ADJUST ITSELF TO THE PRESENCE 00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:52.015 OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY. SO I 00:45:52.082 --> 00:45:53.183 THANK THE AUTHOR FOR BRINGING 00:45:53.250 --> 00:45:58.555 THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALL 00:45:58.622 --> 00:46:01.425 RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S BEEN IT'S 00:46:01.492 --> 00:46:02.860 BEEN THERE'S A MOTION ON THE ON 00:46:02.926 --> 00:46:04.561 THE BILL. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT 00:46:04.628 --> 00:46:06.463 THE BILL TODAY. IN TERMS OF THE 00:46:06.530 --> 00:46:07.464 JURISDICTION OF THIS COMMITTEE, 00:46:07.531 --> 00:46:08.599 I REMAIN I CONTINUE TO HAVE 00:46:08.665 --> 00:46:10.400 SOME SKEPTICISM ABOUT THE 00:46:10.467 --> 00:46:11.902 OVERALL THE EDUCATION PART OF 00:46:11.969 --> 00:46:14.738 THE APPROACH. HAVING BEEN BOTH 00:46:14.805 --> 00:46:16.507 A FACULTY MEMBER AT CSU AND A 00:46:16.573 --> 00:46:17.574 COMMUNITY COLLEGE VICE 00:46:17.641 --> 00:46:20.110 CHANCELLOR, INTERSEGMENTAL 00:46:20.177 --> 00:46:21.245 COLLABORATION IS RARELY 00:46:21.311 --> 00:46:22.713 ACCOMPLISHED BY STATUTORY 00:46:22.779 --> 00:46:24.581 MANDATES, AND ALTHOUGH I 00:46:24.648 --> 00:46:26.116 HAVEN'T BEEN A MEMBER OF THE 00:46:26.183 --> 00:46:26.683 COMMUNITY COLLEGE ACADEMIC 00:46:26.750 --> 00:46:28.218 SENATE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY 00:46:28.285 --> 00:46:29.786 BIG ASK TO EXPECT ALL THREE 00:46:29.853 --> 00:46:31.355 SEGMENTS TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE, 00:46:31.421 --> 00:46:32.956 ON A CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY 00:46:33.023 --> 00:46:34.291 WITH LOTS OF CONTROVERSY. SO 00:46:34.358 --> 00:46:36.026 I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT WILL WORK. 00:46:36.093 --> 00:46:37.060 BUT AND APPRECIATE THE 00:46:37.127 --> 00:46:38.328 AMENDMENTS THAT WERE TAKEN IN 00:46:38.395 --> 00:46:39.830 SENATE THAT DON'T PRECONDITION 00:46:39.897 --> 00:46:41.231 THE ADOPTION OF ANY TECHNOLOGY 00:46:41.298 --> 00:46:42.466 ON THE COMPLETION OF THIS 00:46:42.533 --> 00:46:43.734 REPORT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.702 THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY. AND 00:46:45.769 --> 00:46:46.937 SO SIMPLY TO NOTE THAT WHEN THE 00:46:47.004 --> 00:46:48.805 MOTION, AS THE MOTION HAS BEEN 00:46:48.872 --> 00:46:50.407 MADE, IT'S MOTION WITH 00:46:50.474 --> 00:46:51.675 AMENDMENTS AND THOSE AMENDMENTS 00:46:51.742 --> 00:46:52.943 OR THE AMENDMENTS TAKEN IN THE 00:46:53.010 --> 00:46:54.344 SENATE EDUCATION COMMITTEE, BUT 00:46:54.411 --> 00:46:55.445 REFERRED TO US FOR FORMAL 00:46:55.512 --> 00:46:57.281 ADOPTION, THAT'S TO REMOVE THE 00:46:57.347 --> 00:46:58.749 REQUIREMENT THAT THE WORKING BE 00:46:58.815 --> 00:46:59.850 WORKING GROUP BE CONVENED 00:46:59.917 --> 00:47:01.151 BEFORE PROVIDING THE CHEN CHEN 00:47:01.218 --> 00:47:03.720 AI SYSTEM TO PROVIDE THE 00:47:03.787 --> 00:47:05.189 PROCUREMENT REPORT IS NO LONGER 00:47:05.255 --> 00:47:06.723 REQUIRED BEFORE EXECUTING THE 00:47:06.790 --> 00:47:07.724 CONTRACT AND MAKING OTHER 00:47:07.791 --> 00:47:08.725 TECHNICAL AND CLARIFYING 00:47:08.792 --> 00:47:10.194 CHANGES. SO WITH THAT. 00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.828 ASSEMBLYMEMBER FONG SENATOR, 00:47:11.895 --> 00:47:13.764 DID YOU COME? OKAY. 00:47:13.830 --> 00:47:15.199 ASSEMBLYMEMBER FONG, WOULD YOU 00:47:15.265 --> 00:47:17.034 LIKE TO CLOSE? THANK YOU SO 00:47:17.100 --> 00:47:18.035 MUCH, CHAIR AND SENATORS, 00:47:18.101 --> 00:47:19.036 REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS 00:47:19.102 --> 00:47:20.237 AND INSIGHTS HERE TODAY. AND 00:47:20.304 --> 00:47:21.772 WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT TRYING 00:47:21.838 --> 00:47:24.208 TO PROVIDE THIS WORKGROUP WITH 00:47:24.274 --> 00:47:26.109 ALL THREE SEGMENTS OF HIGHER 00:47:26.176 --> 00:47:27.578 EDUCATION. WE KNOW THAT HAVING 00:47:27.644 --> 00:47:29.279 ALL THREE SEGMENTS TO 00:47:29.346 --> 00:47:29.880 COLLABORATE, TO WORK TOGETHER 00:47:29.947 --> 00:47:31.782 ON THIS CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY 00:47:31.848 --> 00:47:32.950 GOING FORWARD. AND SO REALLY 00:47:33.016 --> 00:47:34.351 MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE TRAINING 00:47:34.418 --> 00:47:35.819 STANDARDS AND TO REALLY MAKE 00:47:35.886 --> 00:47:37.554 SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING RISK 00:47:37.621 --> 00:47:38.255 ASSESSMENTS AND KEEPING 00:47:38.322 --> 00:47:39.623 EVERYONE SAFE. SO WITH THAT, I 00:47:39.690 --> 00:47:40.891 LOOK, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR 00:47:40.958 --> 00:47:44.695 YOUR VOTE. GREAT. THANK YOU SO 00:47:44.761 --> 00:47:46.863 MUCH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON 00:47:46.930 --> 00:47:50.467 THE BILL WITH WHICH Dð PASSES 00:47:50.534 --> 00:47:53.337 AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE ON 00:47:53.403 --> 00:47:54.805 APPROPRIATIONS. PLEASE CALL THE 00:47:54.871 --> 00:47:56.907 ROLL. SENATORS. CABALDON 00:47:56.974 --> 00:48:00.911 CABALDON I SATO. SATO. AYE. 00:48:00.978 --> 00:48:01.612 GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. 00:48:01.678 --> 00:48:06.016 AYE. AYE. PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. 00:48:06.083 --> 00:48:08.986 REYES. UMBERG WIENER FIVE 5 TO 00:48:09.052 --> 00:48:10.988 0. WILL PLACE A CALL. THANK YOU 00:48:11.054 --> 00:48:12.856 VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 00:48:12.923 --> 00:48:13.890 OKAY. THE CONSENT CALENDAR HAS 00:48:13.957 --> 00:48:15.392 BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR SATO. 00:48:15.459 --> 00:48:17.127 ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS ITEM 00:48:17.194 --> 00:48:19.329 FIVE, ITEM FIVE AND FILE ITEM 00:48:19.396 --> 00:48:22.599 14. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 00:48:22.666 --> 00:48:24.635 SENATORS. BALDWIN. COBALT AND I 00:48:24.701 --> 00:48:28.105 CIERTO CIERTO I. GONZALEZ. 00:48:28.171 --> 00:48:30.474 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OKUBO. 00:48:30.540 --> 00:48:32.643 AYE. PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. 00:48:32.709 --> 00:48:36.213 REYES. UMBERG. WIENER 5 TO 0 5 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.648 TO 0. WILL PLACE THAT CONSENT 00:48:37.714 --> 00:48:39.182 CALENDAR ON CALL. WE'RE NOW 00:48:39.249 --> 00:48:41.218 GOING TO TAKE UP THE BILLS THAT 00:48:41.285 --> 00:48:43.053 WE'VE ALREADY HEARD IN ORDER TO 00:48:43.120 --> 00:48:45.922 GET A MOTION AND A VOTE ON 00:48:45.989 --> 00:48:48.725 THOSE BEGINNING WITH AB 302 BY 00:48:48.792 --> 00:48:50.060 ASSEMBLY MEMBER BAUER KHN IS 00:48:50.127 --> 00:48:53.163 THERE A MOTION BY SENATOR 00:48:53.230 --> 00:48:55.299 PADILLA? PLEASE CALL THE ROLL 00:48:55.365 --> 00:48:56.700 MOTION IS DO PASS AS AMENDED. 00:48:56.767 --> 00:48:59.269 SENATORS CABALDON COBALT AND I 00:48:59.336 --> 00:49:01.938 CIERTO. SATO. I. GONZALEZ. 00:49:02.005 --> 00:49:04.608 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OTOBO. 00:49:04.675 --> 00:49:07.544 I. PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. REYES. 00:49:07.611 --> 00:49:10.514 UMBERG. WIENER 5 TO 0 5 TO 0. 00:49:10.580 --> 00:49:12.482 THAT MEASURES ON CALL FILE ITEM 00:49:12.549 --> 00:49:14.451 TWO AB 1705 BY BAUER-KAHAN. IS 00:49:14.518 --> 00:49:17.654 THERE A MOTION SO MOVED BY VICE 00:49:17.721 --> 00:49:18.822 CHAIR SATO. PLEASE CALL THE 00:49:18.889 --> 00:49:20.590 ROLL. THE MOTION IS DO PASS AS 00:49:20.657 --> 00:49:21.858 AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. 00:49:21.925 --> 00:49:23.427 SENATORS. CABALDON. COBALT AND 00:49:23.493 --> 00:49:27.531 I. SATO. SATO. I. GONZALEZ. 00:49:27.597 --> 00:49:29.666 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OTOBO. 00:49:29.733 --> 00:49:32.002 I. PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. REYES. 00:49:32.069 --> 00:49:34.671 UMBERG. WIENER 5 TO 0 5 TO 0. 00:49:34.738 --> 00:49:36.540 WILL PLACE A MEASURE ON CALL 00:49:36.606 --> 00:49:39.242 FILE ITEM THREE MOTION. IS 00:49:39.309 --> 00:49:41.411 THERE A MOTION ON AB 2007 MOVED 00:49:41.478 --> 00:49:42.546 BY SENATOR PADILLA? PLEASE CALL 00:49:42.612 --> 00:49:44.548 THE ROLL MOTION IS DO PASS, AS 00:49:44.614 --> 00:49:46.717 AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. 00:49:46.783 --> 00:49:48.318 SENATORS CABALDON CABALDON I. 00:49:48.385 --> 00:49:51.822 SATO. GONZALES. MCNERNEY. 00:49:51.888 --> 00:49:56.193 MCNERNEY. AYE. OTOBO. PADILLA. 00:49:56.259 --> 00:49:58.061 PADILLA. AYE. REYES. UMBERG 00:49:58.128 --> 00:50:00.797 WIENER 3 TO 0 3 TO 0. MEASURE 00:50:00.864 --> 00:50:03.033 ON CALL ITEM 4AB2212. IS THERE 00:50:03.100 --> 00:50:05.836 A MOTION MOVED BY SENATOR SATO, 00:50:05.902 --> 00:50:07.804 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MOTION IS 00:50:07.871 --> 00:50:09.406 DO PASS AS AMENDED TO 00:50:09.473 --> 00:50:10.340 APPROPRIATIONS SENATORS COBALT 00:50:10.407 --> 00:50:14.211 AND CABALDON I CIERTO CIERTO 00:50:14.277 --> 00:50:15.612 AYE. GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.249 MCNERNEY. AYE. OTOBO. I PADILLA. 00:50:19.316 --> 00:50:21.051 PADILLA. AYE. REYES UMBERG 00:50:21.118 --> 00:50:23.320 WIENER 5 TO 0 5 TO 0. THAT 00:50:23.387 --> 00:50:25.122 MEASURES ON CALL AND FINALLY 00:50:25.188 --> 00:50:27.791 FILE ITEM NINE AB 1881837 BY 00:50:27.858 --> 00:50:30.026 ASSEMBLY MEMBER GONZALEZ AS A 00:50:30.093 --> 00:50:33.163 MOTION. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY 00:50:33.230 --> 00:50:34.464 SENATOR PADILLA. PLEASE CALL 00:50:34.531 --> 00:50:36.867 THE ROLL MOTION IS DUE PASSED. 00:50:36.933 --> 00:50:38.602 SENATORS. CABALDON. CABALDON. 00:50:38.668 --> 00:50:41.938 AYE. SATO. NØ. SATO. NÓ. 00:50:42.005 --> 00:50:42.806 GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. 00:50:42.873 --> 00:50:45.842 AYE. OTOBO. TOBO. NØ. PADILLA. 00:50:45.909 --> 00:50:48.044 PADILLA. AYE. REYES. UMBERG 00:50:48.111 --> 00:50:50.680 WIENER 3 TO 2, 3 TO 2. THAT 00:50:50.747 --> 00:50:53.750 MEASURES ON CALL. WE ARE 00:50:53.817 --> 00:50:54.684 AWAITING ORDERS. THE COMMITTEE 00:50:54.751 --> 00:50:55.919 IS GOING TO STAND IN BRIEF 00:50:55.986 --> 00:50:57.654 RECESS. WHILE WE ANTICIPATE THE 00:50:57.721 --> 00:51:01.291 ARRIVAL OF AUTHORS. SO WE WILL 00:51:01.358 --> 00:51:19.876 REPORT BACK SOON. THANKS. OKAY. 00:51:47.537 --> 00:51:48.572 ALL RIGHT. THE SENATE COMMITTEE 00:51:48.638 --> 00:51:49.773 ON PRIVACY, DIGITAL 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:50.841 TECHNOLOGIES AND CONSUMER 00:51:50.907 --> 00:51:51.908 PROTECTION WILL COME BACK TO 00:51:51.975 --> 00:51:58.448 ORDER. AND WE ARE GOING TO 00:51:58.515 --> 00:52:01.284 PROCEED TO FILE ITEM 17 BY 00:52:01.351 --> 00:52:05.322 ASSEMBLY MEMBER WILSON AB 1798. 00:52:05.388 --> 00:52:06.523 WELCOME, ASSEMBLY MEMBER WILSON, 00:52:06.590 --> 00:52:07.791 AND PLEASE BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE 00:52:07.858 --> 00:52:11.161 READY. THANK YOU. I'M PLEASED 00:52:11.228 --> 00:52:14.264 TO PRESENT AB 1798. NOW, TODAY, 00:52:14.331 --> 00:52:16.399 MORE CALIFORNIANS THAN EVER ARE 00:52:16.466 --> 00:52:18.235 TURNING TO GENETIC TESTING TO 00:52:18.301 --> 00:52:19.970 BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR HEALTH. 00:52:20.036 --> 00:52:22.072 THESE TOOLS ALLOW INDIVIDUALS 00:52:22.138 --> 00:52:25.375 TO DETECT RISKS EARLY, PURSUE 00:52:25.442 --> 00:52:26.877 PREVENTATIVE CARE, AND MAKE 00:52:26.943 --> 00:52:29.012 INFORMED MEDICAL DECISIONS. 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.615 THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF 00:52:31.681 --> 00:52:32.983 PROACTIVE, HEALTH CONSCIOUS 00:52:33.049 --> 00:52:34.885 BEHAVIOR WE SHOULD BE 00:52:34.951 --> 00:52:36.686 ENCOURAGING. BUT INSTEAD, OUR 00:52:36.753 --> 00:52:38.855 CURRENT SYSTEM CREATES RISK AND 00:52:38.922 --> 00:52:40.557 UNCERTAINTY. AND THAT IS WHY MY 00:52:40.624 --> 00:52:43.827 BILL AB 1798, PROHIBITS LIFE 00:52:43.894 --> 00:52:45.662 AND NON-HEALTH DISABILITY 00:52:45.729 --> 00:52:47.797 INSURERS FROM USING 00:52:47.864 --> 00:52:48.832 NON-DIAGNOSTIC GENETIC 00:52:48.899 --> 00:52:50.967 INFORMATION TO DENY COVERAGE OR 00:52:51.034 --> 00:52:52.736 INCREASE PREMIUMS. THE BILL 00:52:52.802 --> 00:52:54.604 ALSO ADDRESSES THE GROWING ROLE 00:52:54.671 --> 00:52:56.706 OF DIRECT TO CONSUMER GENETIC 00:52:56.773 --> 00:52:58.508 TESTING, WHICH IS CONSIDERED 00:52:58.575 --> 00:52:59.976 NON-MEDICAL AND IS NOT 00:53:00.043 --> 00:53:02.112 CURRENTLY USED IN UNDERWRITING. 00:53:02.178 --> 00:53:03.980 IT PROHIBITS INSURERS FROM 00:53:04.047 --> 00:53:05.715 SEEKING OR USING GENETIC 00:53:05.782 --> 00:53:07.217 INFORMATION, INFORMATION THAT 00:53:07.284 --> 00:53:09.019 INDIVIDUALS OBTAIN ON THEIR OWN. 00:53:09.085 --> 00:53:10.320 ENSURING THAT CONSUMERS REMAIN 00:53:10.387 --> 00:53:12.589 IN CONTROL OF DEEPLY PERSONAL 00:53:12.656 --> 00:53:14.224 DATA THEY CHOSE TO EXPLORE FOR 00:53:14.291 --> 00:53:17.227 THEIR OWN HEALTH. AT THE SAME 00:53:17.294 --> 00:53:20.497 TIME, AB 1798 IS CAREFULLY 00:53:20.564 --> 00:53:22.365 BALANCED AND THIS TYPE OF 00:53:22.432 --> 00:53:23.800 POLICY IS ALREADY BEING 00:53:23.867 --> 00:53:26.336 IMPLEMENTED IN STATES LIKE 00:53:26.403 --> 00:53:28.104 FLORIDA. IT DOES NOT PREVENT 00:53:28.171 --> 00:53:29.839 INSURERS FROM ACCESSING MEDICAL 00:53:29.906 --> 00:53:32.409 HISTORY OR ASKING ABOUT FAMILY 00:53:32.475 --> 00:53:34.177 HISTORY. IT SIMPLY MAKES CLEAR 00:53:34.244 --> 00:53:36.713 THAT GENETIC DATA, WHETHER 00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:39.282 OBTAINED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, 00:53:39.349 --> 00:53:41.051 CANNOT BE USED TO MAKE 00:53:41.117 --> 00:53:42.519 UNDERWRITING DECISIONS. IN 00:53:42.586 --> 00:53:43.954 OTHER WORDS, INSURERS CAN STILL 00:53:44.020 --> 00:53:45.221 EVALUATE THE RISK, BUT THEY 00:53:45.288 --> 00:53:46.456 CANNOT RELY ON THE DATA THAT IS 00:53:46.523 --> 00:53:48.592 UNIQUELY SENSITIVE, SPECULATIVE 00:53:48.658 --> 00:53:51.528 NATURE AND OFTEN UNCERTAIN. AND 00:53:51.595 --> 00:53:54.331 I WANT TO NOTE BEFORE I GO INTO 00:53:54.397 --> 00:53:55.732 SOME AMENDS, IS THAT IT'S 00:53:55.799 --> 00:53:58.268 EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO TO KNOW 00:53:58.335 --> 00:54:00.403 THAT GENETIC DATA IS 00:54:00.470 --> 00:54:01.571 FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM 00:54:01.638 --> 00:54:04.074 TRADITIONAL MEDICAL DATA. AS 00:54:04.140 --> 00:54:05.442 EMPHASIZED BY THE AMERICAN 00:54:05.508 --> 00:54:07.310 MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, IT IS 00:54:07.377 --> 00:54:10.213 OFTEN REFLECTS ONLY A 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:11.948 POSSIBILITY, NOT A DIAGNOSIS. 00:54:12.015 --> 00:54:13.783 MANY GENETIC MARKERS INDICATE 00:54:13.850 --> 00:54:15.251 RISKS THAT MAY NEVER 00:54:15.318 --> 00:54:17.187 MATERIALIZE, AND IN MANY CASES, 00:54:17.253 --> 00:54:19.189 THE SCIENCE IS STILL EVOLVING 00:54:19.255 --> 00:54:22.359 OR CORRELATION, NOT CAUSATION. 00:54:22.425 --> 00:54:23.960 AND SO I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH 00:54:24.027 --> 00:54:25.762 THE CHAIR AND HIS COMMITTEE 00:54:25.829 --> 00:54:27.063 STAFF FOR THEIR COLLABORATION 00:54:27.130 --> 00:54:30.033 ON THIS BILL, AND CONFIRM I'LL 00:54:30.100 --> 00:54:32.802 BE ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE 00:54:32.869 --> 00:54:33.937 AMENDS. I RECOGNIZE THAT WE 00:54:34.004 --> 00:54:35.772 WON'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THEM IN 00:54:35.839 --> 00:54:37.540 THIS COMMITTEE. AND SO WE'RE 00:54:37.607 --> 00:54:39.709 STILL WORKING ON THE TECHNICAL 00:54:39.776 --> 00:54:42.178 DATA. SORRY, THE TECHNICAL 00:54:42.245 --> 00:54:45.482 LANGUAGE, BUT THE BASICALLY THE 00:54:45.548 --> 00:54:47.317 AMENDS, THE SPIRIT OF THE 00:54:47.384 --> 00:54:50.186 AMENDS. NOTE THREE THINGS. AT 00:54:50.253 --> 00:54:52.622 NO POINT IS THE FULL GENOME 00:54:52.689 --> 00:54:55.492 EVER AVAILABLE TO INSURERS. 00:54:55.558 --> 00:54:56.459 THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, 00:54:56.526 --> 00:54:59.496 GIVEN THE FACT THAT THAT IS NOT 00:54:59.562 --> 00:55:00.897 ONLY SENSITIVE TO THE 00:55:00.964 --> 00:55:02.265 INDIVIDUAL, BUT TO THEIR ENTIRE 00:55:02.332 --> 00:55:04.801 FAMILY, AND THAT WHEN WE'RE 00:55:04.868 --> 00:55:08.838 WHEN THE INSURERS ARE DOING 00:55:08.905 --> 00:55:11.374 MEDICALLY UNDERWRITTEN POLICIES 00:55:11.441 --> 00:55:13.143 WITH THE INSURED CONTENT 00:55:13.209 --> 00:55:15.045 CONSENT, THE INSURER CAN 00:55:15.111 --> 00:55:16.413 PROVIDE THE RESULTS OF GENETIC 00:55:16.479 --> 00:55:17.480 TESTS TO THE INSURER TO RULE 00:55:17.547 --> 00:55:20.116 OUT AN ADVERSE FINDING BASED ON 00:55:20.183 --> 00:55:21.551 THE MEDICAL FILE, AND THAT 00:55:21.618 --> 00:55:23.620 ADVERSE FINDING ADVERSE LIKE 00:55:23.687 --> 00:55:25.021 UNDERWRITING. AND I KNOW THIS 00:55:25.088 --> 00:55:26.823 WAS IMPORTANT TO THE CHAIR, AND 00:55:26.890 --> 00:55:30.427 CONSIDERING THAT THE POINT OF 00:55:30.493 --> 00:55:31.895 PRIVACY AND CONSUMER 00:55:31.961 --> 00:55:33.296 PROTECTIONS IS HAVING THE 00:55:33.363 --> 00:55:35.999 PERSON IN CONTROL OF THEIR DATA, 00:55:36.066 --> 00:55:37.133 AND IF THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF 00:55:37.200 --> 00:55:38.735 THEIR DATA, IF THEY WOULD LIKE 00:55:38.802 --> 00:55:40.070 TO SHARE IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN 00:55:40.136 --> 00:55:41.604 IT'S TO THEIR BENEFIT, BEING 00:55:41.671 --> 00:55:44.107 ALLOWED TO DO THAT, AND ALSO 00:55:44.174 --> 00:55:47.343 REMOVING THE 1.5 CAP FROM 00:55:47.410 --> 00:55:49.479 ASSEMBLY THAT WAS GIVEN IN 00:55:49.546 --> 00:55:53.450 ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE. AND SO, SO 00:55:53.516 --> 00:55:55.285 FIRST OF ALL, I THANK THE 00:55:55.351 --> 00:55:57.087 OPPOSITION FOR THEIR CONTINUED 00:55:57.153 --> 00:55:58.588 ENGAGEMENT. THEY HAVE BEEN FROM 00:55:58.655 --> 00:56:01.391 THE MOMENT THAT WE INTRODUCED 00:56:01.458 --> 00:56:03.927 THIS THIS BILL. AND I'M I'M 00:56:03.993 --> 00:56:05.095 THANKFUL THAT WE'RE IN A BETTER 00:56:05.161 --> 00:56:07.864 PLACE THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION. 00:56:07.931 --> 00:56:10.967 AND JUST NOTING THAT CALIFORNIA 00:56:11.034 --> 00:56:12.569 LAW ALREADY LIMITS WHAT 00:56:12.635 --> 00:56:14.404 INSURERS CAN USE WHEN FAIRNESS 00:56:14.471 --> 00:56:16.372 DEMANDS IT, SUCH AS PROHIBITING 00:56:16.439 --> 00:56:18.141 USING CHARACTERISTICS LIKE RACE 00:56:18.208 --> 00:56:20.143 OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION, EVEN IF 00:56:20.210 --> 00:56:21.945 STATISTICALLY RELEVANT, BECAUSE 00:56:22.011 --> 00:56:25.548 CIVIL RIGHTS OUTWEIGH PURELY 00:56:25.615 --> 00:56:28.752 ACCURACY, ACCURACY, CHIRLA 00:56:28.818 --> 00:56:29.886 CONSIDERATIONS. I'VE NEVER 00:56:29.953 --> 00:56:31.321 MESSED THAT UP AS MANY TIMES AS 00:56:31.387 --> 00:56:33.456 I'VE EVER BEEN ON THIS BILL 00:56:33.523 --> 00:56:34.991 THAT TELLS YOU I HAVE NOT HAD 00:56:35.058 --> 00:56:36.359 ENOUGH CAFFEINE TODAY ANYWAY. 00:56:36.426 --> 00:56:38.094 MEMBERS, IF WE AGREE THAT 00:56:38.161 --> 00:56:39.462 PEOPLE SHOULD NOT PAY MORE OR 00:56:39.529 --> 00:56:40.530 BE DENIED COVERAGE BECAUSE OF 00:56:40.597 --> 00:56:42.465 WHO THEY ARE, THEN WE MUST ALSO 00:56:42.532 --> 00:56:43.600 AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE 00:56:43.666 --> 00:56:44.768 PENALIZED FOR WHAT'S WRITTEN IN 00:56:44.834 --> 00:56:46.770 THEIR DNA. AND SO THIS BILL IS 00:56:46.836 --> 00:56:48.905 ABOUT AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT 00:56:48.972 --> 00:56:51.841 BALANCE, RECOGNIZING THAT 00:56:51.908 --> 00:56:53.643 INNOVATION IS AMAZING AND LEADS 00:56:53.710 --> 00:56:55.712 TO GREAT SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES, 00:56:55.779 --> 00:56:57.981 AND THAT GENETIC TESTING ALSO 00:56:58.047 --> 00:56:59.382 CAN LEAD TO BETTER HEALTH. BUT 00:56:59.449 --> 00:57:01.151 AT THE SAME TIME, WE WE AS A 00:57:01.217 --> 00:57:03.319 STATE NEED TO PROTECT PRIVACY, 00:57:03.386 --> 00:57:05.155 PROMOTE EARLY DETECTION, AND 00:57:05.221 --> 00:57:06.556 REINFORCE TRUST IN BOTH OUR 00:57:06.623 --> 00:57:07.991 HEALTH CARE AND OUR INSURANCE 00:57:08.057 --> 00:57:09.993 SYSTEM. I'D LIKE TO NOW 00:57:10.059 --> 00:57:11.161 INTRODUCE MY TWO WITNESSES, 00:57:11.227 --> 00:57:13.229 ALEX MEISSNER, VICE PRESIDENT 00:57:13.296 --> 00:57:15.198 OF STATE POLICY WITH ALS 00:57:15.265 --> 00:57:16.933 ASSOCIATION, AND JOSEPHINE 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.434 FIGUEROA, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER 00:57:18.501 --> 00:57:19.803 FOR THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT 00:57:19.869 --> 00:57:21.237 OF INSURANCE. WE ALSO HAVE 00:57:21.304 --> 00:57:22.505 SOMEONE HERE FOR TECHNICAL 00:57:22.572 --> 00:57:25.642 QUESTIONS AS WELL. WELCOME. AND 00:57:25.708 --> 00:57:27.844 YOU'LL EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. 00:57:27.911 --> 00:57:28.912 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. 00:57:28.978 --> 00:57:29.979 CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE 00:57:30.046 --> 00:57:31.080 COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS ALEX 00:57:31.147 --> 00:57:32.182 MEISSNER. I'M THE VICE 00:57:32.248 --> 00:57:33.850 PRESIDENT OF STATE POLICY FOR 00:57:33.917 --> 00:57:35.418 THE ALS ASSOCIATION HERE IN 00:57:35.485 --> 00:57:39.322 STRONG SUPPORT OF AB 1798. SO, 00:57:39.389 --> 00:57:40.490 YOU KNOW, ASSEMBLY MEMBER 00:57:40.557 --> 00:57:41.891 WILSON JUST DID A TERRIFIC JOB 00:57:41.958 --> 00:57:43.827 OF LAYING OUT THE CASE FOR THE 00:57:43.893 --> 00:57:44.994 BILL. SO I'LL SPEND A LITTLE 00:57:45.061 --> 00:57:46.830 BIT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT SOME 00:57:46.896 --> 00:57:47.931 OF THE PUSHBACK THAT WE'VE 00:57:47.997 --> 00:57:49.833 HEARD THAT I THINK MIGHT BE A 00:57:49.899 --> 00:57:51.234 BIT A BIT MISGUIDED. FIRST, THE 00:57:51.301 --> 00:57:53.102 CONTENTION THAT THIS BILL WOULD 00:57:53.169 --> 00:57:54.571 RAISE PREMIUMS. WE KNOW THAT 00:57:54.637 --> 00:57:56.172 THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SAY 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:57.373 THAT THIS BILL WOULD DO THAT. 00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:59.209 AND WE CAN SAY THAT WITH 00:57:59.275 --> 00:58:00.210 CONFIDENCE, BECAUSE THE STATE 00:58:00.276 --> 00:58:01.344 OF FLORIDA, ANOTHER LARGE STATE, 00:58:01.411 --> 00:58:03.179 HAS HAD A SIMILAR BILL ON THE 00:58:03.246 --> 00:58:04.247 BOOKS, WORKING WELL FOR THE 00:58:04.314 --> 00:58:06.216 PAST SIX YEARS AND HAS NOT SEEN 00:58:06.282 --> 00:58:07.183 ANY SIGNIFICANT RAISE IN 00:58:07.250 --> 00:58:08.218 PREMIUMS. ADDITIONALLY, SIMILAR 00:58:08.284 --> 00:58:09.586 LAWS ARE ON THE BOOKS IN OTHER 00:58:09.652 --> 00:58:10.954 COUNTRIES LIKE CANADA, 00:58:11.020 --> 00:58:13.857 AUSTRALIA, SOUTH KOREA, ENGLAND, 00:58:13.923 --> 00:58:15.592 FRANCE, YOU NAME IT. AND THEY 00:58:15.658 --> 00:58:18.928 ARE ALSO SEEING A STRONG RESULT. 00:58:18.995 --> 00:58:20.463 SECONDARILY, IT MAKES SENSE TO 00:58:20.530 --> 00:58:23.633 LOOK AT THE FACT THAT IF TAKING 00:58:23.700 --> 00:58:25.068 AWAY THE ABILITY FOR INSURERS 00:58:25.134 --> 00:58:26.870 TO USE GENETIC INFORMATION 00:58:26.936 --> 00:58:28.605 WOULD RAISE PREMIUMS, THEN 00:58:28.671 --> 00:58:29.706 PREMIUMS SHOULD HAVE FALLEN. 00:58:29.772 --> 00:58:31.174 OVER THESE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, 00:58:31.241 --> 00:58:32.575 AS INSURERS HAVE HAD THE 00:58:32.642 --> 00:58:34.043 ABILITY TO USE THOSE THAT 00:58:34.110 --> 00:58:35.845 GENETIC INFORMATION. AND WE'VE 00:58:35.912 --> 00:58:38.014 SEEN NO EVIDENCE OF PREMIUMS 00:58:38.081 --> 00:58:39.148 FALLING. SO IF THEY DIDN'T FALL, 00:58:39.215 --> 00:58:41.284 THEN THEY LIKELY WOULDN'T RISE 00:58:41.351 --> 00:58:44.153 EITHER. SECOND POINT. ONE OF 00:58:44.220 --> 00:58:45.889 THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD IS 00:58:45.955 --> 00:58:49.559 THAT GENETIC INFORMATION IS 00:58:49.626 --> 00:58:51.227 RELEVANT MEDICAL INFORMATION, 00:58:51.294 --> 00:58:53.096 AND THAT SIMPLY ISN'T THE CASE. 00:58:53.162 --> 00:58:55.598 THESE ARE TWO BROADLY DIFFERENT 00:58:55.665 --> 00:58:57.200 CATEGORIES OF INFO. WHEN WE'RE 00:58:57.267 --> 00:58:58.201 TALKING ABOUT GENETIC 00:58:58.268 --> 00:58:58.735 INFORMATION, WE'RE TALKING 00:58:58.801 --> 00:59:00.803 ABOUT SPECULATIVE DATA ON WHAT 00:59:00.870 --> 00:59:02.572 MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. GENETIC 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.240 TESTS GENERALLY CANNOT TELL YOU 00:59:04.307 --> 00:59:05.909 WITH ACCURACY WHETHER YOU'RE 00:59:05.975 --> 00:59:07.510 GOING TO DEVELOP A CERTAIN 00:59:07.577 --> 00:59:08.978 CONDITION, WHEN YOU MIGHT 00:59:09.045 --> 00:59:11.447 DEVELOP THAT CONDITION AND WHEN 00:59:11.514 --> 00:59:13.116 AND HOW SEVERE THAT CONDITION 00:59:13.182 --> 00:59:15.218 MIGHT BE. THEY CAN ALSO NOT 00:59:15.285 --> 00:59:16.653 TELL YOU IF, LET'S SAY IN THE 00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.488 TEN TO 20 TO 30 YEARS, IT MIGHT 00:59:18.554 --> 00:59:20.356 TAKE FOR YOU TO FINALLY DEVELOP 00:59:20.423 --> 00:59:21.391 THAT DISEASE, THERE MIGHT BE 00:59:21.457 --> 00:59:22.425 MEDICAL ADVANCES THAT MIGHT 00:59:22.492 --> 00:59:24.227 TURN A FATAL CONDITION INTO A 00:59:24.294 --> 00:59:25.929 CHRONIC ONE, OR CURE IT 00:59:25.995 --> 00:59:27.030 ALTOGETHER. THOSE ADVANCES NEED 00:59:27.096 --> 00:59:28.498 TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS 00:59:28.564 --> 00:59:31.334 WELL. WE CAN'T PRICE IN SURETY 00:59:31.401 --> 00:59:33.436 OF A FATAL CONDITION, WHEN IN 00:59:33.503 --> 00:59:35.338 FACT MEDICAL SCIENCE MAY TAKE 00:59:35.405 --> 00:59:37.040 THAT FROM THE ALWAYS FATAL 00:59:37.106 --> 00:59:38.741 CATEGORY TO THE CHRONIC OR 00:59:38.808 --> 00:59:40.977 CURED CATEGORY IN THE ENSUING 00:59:41.044 --> 00:59:43.179 YEARS. FINALLY, I THINK IT'S 00:59:43.246 --> 00:59:46.416 IMPORTANT TO TO TAKE A LOOK AT 00:59:46.482 --> 00:59:48.184 WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE, NOT ONLY 00:59:48.251 --> 00:59:51.721 FOR FOLKS WHO MIGHT HAVE SOME 00:59:51.788 --> 00:59:53.222 CONCERN ABOUT GENETICS 00:59:53.289 --> 00:59:56.125 REGARDING POTENTIAL ALS GENE 00:59:56.192 --> 00:59:57.226 MUTATIONS, BUT ALSO FOR ALL OF 00:59:57.293 --> 00:59:58.995 US, GETTING YOUR GENETIC 00:59:59.062 --> 01:00:00.496 TESTING USED TO BE VERY NICHE, 01:00:00.563 --> 01:00:01.898 RIGHT? IT WAS DONE WHEN ORDERED 01:00:01.965 --> 01:00:03.733 BY A DOCTOR. ONLY IN SOME IN 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.868 SOME CASES IT IS BECOMING MUCH, 01:00:05.935 --> 01:00:07.470 MUCH CHEAPER. IT IS WILL SOON 01:00:07.537 --> 01:00:08.938 BE THE STANDARD OF CARE, TO 01:00:09.005 --> 01:00:10.106 WHICH POINT WE WILL ALL HAVE 01:00:10.173 --> 01:00:12.008 OUR GENETIC CODES LIVING IN OUR 01:00:12.075 --> 01:00:13.276 MEDICAL FILES. I HAVE TO ASK 01:00:13.343 --> 01:00:15.278 YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR TWO MINUTES 01:00:15.345 --> 01:00:17.280 AND 40S. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 01:00:17.347 --> 01:00:18.481 CHAIR. MR. CHAIR, I URGE STRONG 01:00:18.548 --> 01:00:19.549 SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL. THANK 01:00:19.615 --> 01:00:22.352 YOU, MR. FIGUEROA. GOOD MORNING, 01:00:22.418 --> 01:00:23.786 CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE 01:00:23.853 --> 01:00:24.921 COMMITTEE. JOSEPHINE FIGUEROA, 01:00:24.988 --> 01:00:25.688 DEPUTY COMMISSIONER AND 01:00:25.755 --> 01:00:26.756 LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE 01:00:26.823 --> 01:00:28.257 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE UNDER 01:00:28.324 --> 01:00:29.659 THE LEADERSHIP OF INSURANCE 01:00:29.726 --> 01:00:31.494 COMMISSIONER RICARDO LARA, AS A 01:00:31.561 --> 01:00:33.229 PROUD SPONSOR OF AB 1795, 01:00:33.296 --> 01:00:34.330 COMMISSIONER LARA WOULD LIKE TO 01:00:34.397 --> 01:00:35.498 THANK ASSEMBLY MEMBER WILSON 01:00:35.565 --> 01:00:36.966 FOR HER LEADERSHIP IN AUTHORING 01:00:37.033 --> 01:00:38.668 THIS IMPORTANT MEASURE, WHICH 01:00:38.735 --> 01:00:40.737 PROTECTS CALIFORNIANS GENETIC 01:00:40.803 --> 01:00:42.271 INFORMATION IN LIFE AND 01:00:42.338 --> 01:00:43.272 DISABILITY INSURANCE. 01:00:43.339 --> 01:00:44.807 UNDERWRITING GENETIC 01:00:44.874 --> 01:00:45.742 INFORMATION IS FUNDAMENTALLY 01:00:45.808 --> 01:00:46.943 DIFFERENT FROM TRADITIONAL 01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:48.277 UNDERWRITING FACTOR. IT IS 01:00:48.344 --> 01:00:49.746 IMMUTABLE, DEEPLY PERSONAL, AND 01:00:49.812 --> 01:00:51.914 OFTEN ONLY INDICATES A REMOTE 01:00:51.981 --> 01:00:53.649 OR UNCERTAIN POSSIBILITY OF 01:00:53.716 --> 01:00:56.586 FUTURE DISEASES, RATHER THAN A 01:00:56.652 --> 01:00:58.054 REASONABLY ANTICIPATED RISK. IT 01:00:58.121 --> 01:00:59.822 ALSO RAISES UNIQUE PRIVACY 01:00:59.889 --> 01:01:01.324 CONCERNS, AS GENETIC TESTING 01:01:01.391 --> 01:01:02.725 DOES NOT JUST REVEAL 01:01:02.792 --> 01:01:03.826 INFORMATION ABOUT ONE PERSON. 01:01:03.893 --> 01:01:05.995 IT ALSO PROVIDES DETAILS ABOUT 01:01:06.062 --> 01:01:07.630 THE BLOOD RELATIVES CONNECTING 01:01:07.697 --> 01:01:09.599 THE WHOLE FAMILY. THIS MAKES 01:01:09.665 --> 01:01:11.367 PROTECTING PRIVACY EVEN MORE 01:01:11.434 --> 01:01:13.202 IMPORTANT THAN WITH MOST OTHER 01:01:13.269 --> 01:01:14.971 MEDICAL DATA. MOST PEOPLE DO 01:01:15.038 --> 01:01:16.472 NOT WORRY ABOUT FACING 01:01:16.539 --> 01:01:17.473 DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF THEIR 01:01:17.540 --> 01:01:19.308 BLOOD PRESSURE OR CHOLESTEROL 01:01:19.375 --> 01:01:20.743 RESULTS, BUT THEY DO HAVE 01:01:20.810 --> 01:01:21.811 CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO 01:01:21.878 --> 01:01:24.347 GENETIC TESTING INFORMATION. 01:01:24.414 --> 01:01:25.415 CALIFORNIA SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO 01:01:25.481 --> 01:01:26.916 FEAR THAT GENETIC TESTING 01:01:26.983 --> 01:01:28.084 RESULTS WILL BE USED AGAINST 01:01:28.151 --> 01:01:29.752 THEM. WHEN APPLYING FOR LIFE OR 01:01:29.819 --> 01:01:31.921 DISABILITY INSURANCE. INSTEAD, 01:01:31.988 --> 01:01:32.955 INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE 01:01:33.022 --> 01:01:34.123 ENCOURAGED TO GET TESTED EARLY 01:01:34.190 --> 01:01:35.925 AND TAKE PROACTIVE STEPS TO 01:01:35.992 --> 01:01:37.627 PROTECT THEIR HEALTH. EARLY 01:01:37.693 --> 01:01:39.429 TESTING NOT ONLY HELPS PEOPLE 01:01:39.495 --> 01:01:41.230 STAY HEALTHIER, BUT IT ALSO 01:01:41.297 --> 01:01:43.032 CONTRIBUTES TO STRONGER, MORE 01:01:43.099 --> 01:01:44.434 SUSTAINABLE RISK POOLS FOR 01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:46.636 INSURANCE. FEDERAL LAW ALREADY 01:01:46.702 --> 01:01:48.771 PROHIBITS GENETIC INFORMATION, 01:01:48.838 --> 01:01:49.972 DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH 01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.708 INSURANCE AND EMPLOYMENT. AB 01:01:52.775 --> 01:01:54.944 1798 EXTENDS THIS SAME LOGIC TO 01:01:55.011 --> 01:01:57.447 GENETIC TESTING OF ANY TYPE 01:01:57.513 --> 01:01:58.881 THAT PREDICT THE POTENTIAL FOR 01:01:58.948 --> 01:02:00.716 FUTURE DISEASE WHEN PERFORMED 01:02:00.783 --> 01:02:02.518 IN THE ABSENCE OF SYMPTOMS OR 01:02:02.585 --> 01:02:04.987 CLINICAL DIAGNOSES. THESE ARE 01:02:05.054 --> 01:02:06.889 TESTS TAKEN BY HEALTHY 01:02:06.956 --> 01:02:08.291 INDIVIDUALS, AND INSURERS WILL 01:02:08.357 --> 01:02:09.659 CONTINUE TO HAVE FULL ACCESS TO 01:02:09.725 --> 01:02:11.461 ALL OTHER TRADITIONAL 01:02:11.527 --> 01:02:14.330 UNDERWRITING TOOLS. AND 01:02:14.397 --> 01:02:16.199 IMPORTANTLY, THERE HAVE BEEN NO 01:02:16.265 --> 01:02:17.567 DISRUPTIONS TO INSURANCE 01:02:17.633 --> 01:02:18.701 MARKETS IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS 01:02:18.768 --> 01:02:20.837 THAT HAVE ADOPTED SIMILAR 01:02:20.903 --> 01:02:22.271 PROTECTIONS. INSURERS CAN STILL 01:02:22.338 --> 01:02:24.073 UNDERWRITE EFFECTIVELY AND 01:02:24.140 --> 01:02:25.541 REMAIN PROFITABLE WITHOUT USING 01:02:25.608 --> 01:02:27.310 GENETIC TESTING. RESULTS FROM 01:02:27.376 --> 01:02:29.078 HEALTHY PEOPLE WITH SYMPTOMS. 01:02:29.145 --> 01:02:30.146 ON BEHALF OF INSURANCE 01:02:30.213 --> 01:02:31.247 COMMISSIONER RICARDO LARA, I 01:02:31.314 --> 01:02:33.082 ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. 01:02:33.149 --> 01:02:35.284 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH. DOES 01:02:35.351 --> 01:02:37.186 ANYONE WISH TO REGISTER SUPPORT 01:02:37.253 --> 01:02:38.855 FOR THE BILL? SO PLEASE 01:02:38.921 --> 01:02:40.056 APPROACH THE STAND UP MIKE, AND 01:02:40.123 --> 01:02:42.125 SHARE WITH US YOUR NAME, YOUR 01:02:42.191 --> 01:02:44.360 AFFILIATION, IF ANY, BUT NOT 01:02:44.427 --> 01:02:45.461 YOUR LOBBYING FIRM AND YOUR 01:02:45.528 --> 01:02:48.965 POSITION ON THE BILL. CHLOE 01:02:49.031 --> 01:02:49.999 KING, ON BEHALF OF THE 01:02:50.066 --> 01:02:51.434 CHILDREN'S SPECIALTY CARE 01:02:51.501 --> 01:02:55.171 COALITION IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 01:02:55.238 --> 01:02:56.439 CHRIS KHN, REPRESENTING THE 01:02:56.506 --> 01:03:00.209 ALS NETWORK IN SUPPORT. IN 01:03:00.276 --> 01:03:01.477 SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF OAKLAND 01:03:01.544 --> 01:03:04.280 PRIVACY, GILBERT LARA ON BEHALF 01:03:04.347 --> 01:03:08.117 OF BIOCOM. IN SUPPORT. ALL 01:03:08.184 --> 01:03:08.851 RIGHT. THANK YOU TO THE 01:03:08.918 --> 01:03:10.019 WITNESSES IN SUPPORT. ARE THERE 01:03:10.086 --> 01:03:12.021 ANY LEAD WITNESSES IN 01:03:12.088 --> 01:03:14.557 OPPOSITION? PLEASE COME FORWARD. 01:03:14.624 --> 01:03:15.825 THERE ARE TWO WITNESSES IN 01:03:15.892 --> 01:03:17.460 OPPOSITION. IF YOU WOULD 01:03:17.527 --> 01:03:20.496 PROVIDE THEM WITH THE WITNESS 01:03:20.563 --> 01:03:25.635 TABLE. WELCOME. AND YOU WILL 01:03:25.701 --> 01:03:28.504 EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES AS WELL. 01:03:28.571 --> 01:03:29.605 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD 01:03:29.672 --> 01:03:30.673 MORNING, MISTER CHAIR MEMBERS, 01:03:30.740 --> 01:03:31.574 MATT POWERS WITH THE 01:03:31.641 --> 01:03:32.608 ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA LIFE 01:03:32.675 --> 01:03:33.976 AND HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES. 01:03:34.043 --> 01:03:35.878 I'M HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO 01:03:35.945 --> 01:03:37.079 1798, BUT WANT TO THANK YOU, 01:03:37.146 --> 01:03:38.948 MISTER CHAIR. YOUR STAFF, THE 01:03:39.015 --> 01:03:41.083 ASSEMBLYWOMAN, HER STAFF, THE 01:03:41.150 --> 01:03:42.185 SPONSORS FOR CONTINUING TO 01:03:42.251 --> 01:03:44.086 ENGAGE WITH US ON THE PROPOSAL. 01:03:44.153 --> 01:03:45.755 I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION 01:03:45.821 --> 01:03:47.089 AROUND AMENDMENTS. WE HAVEN'T 01:03:47.156 --> 01:03:49.292 SEEN ANY OF THOSE. SO I'M GOING 01:03:49.358 --> 01:03:51.127 TO LIMIT MY COMMENTS TO THE 01:03:51.194 --> 01:03:52.295 BILL IN PRINT. WE'RE CERTAINLY 01:03:52.361 --> 01:03:53.362 NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA THAT 01:03:53.429 --> 01:03:54.530 GENETIC INFORMATION IS 01:03:54.597 --> 01:03:55.464 SENSITIVE. WE ABSOLUTELY 01:03:55.531 --> 01:03:56.632 BELIEVE THAT INFORMATION SHOULD 01:03:56.699 --> 01:03:58.067 BE TREATED WITH THE STRICTEST 01:03:58.134 --> 01:03:59.368 CONFIDENTIALITY. BUT IN THE 01:03:59.435 --> 01:04:00.670 LIFE AND DISABILITY INSURANCE 01:04:00.736 --> 01:04:02.438 CONTEXT, GENETIC INFORMATION IS 01:04:02.505 --> 01:04:03.673 NOT FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT 01:04:03.739 --> 01:04:04.907 FROM OTHER MEDICAL INFORMATION 01:04:04.974 --> 01:04:07.510 WITH PREDICTIVE VALUE SUCH AS 01:04:07.577 --> 01:04:09.378 CHOLESTEROL, EKG, HIV STATUS OR 01:04:09.445 --> 01:04:11.080 FAMILY HISTORY. WE ALSO 01:04:11.147 --> 01:04:12.248 STRONGLY PUSH BACK ON THE IDEA 01:04:12.315 --> 01:04:13.349 THAT MAKING PREDICTIONS IS 01:04:13.416 --> 01:04:15.084 SOMEHOW UNFAIR. PREDICTION IS 01:04:15.151 --> 01:04:16.819 THE BASIS OF INSURANCE FOR 01:04:16.886 --> 01:04:18.254 MEDICALLY UNDERWRITTEN POLICIES. 01:04:18.321 --> 01:04:19.288 EVERYTHING WE CONSIDER IS 01:04:19.355 --> 01:04:21.123 PREDICTIVE. GENETIC TESTING 01:04:21.190 --> 01:04:22.959 CLEARLY HAS PREDICTIVE VALUE. 01:04:23.025 --> 01:04:24.060 OTHERWISE, DOCTORS WOULD NOT 01:04:24.126 --> 01:04:25.394 RECOMMEND LIFESTYLE CHANGES, 01:04:25.461 --> 01:04:26.596 ADDITIONAL MONITORING OR FOLLOW 01:04:26.662 --> 01:04:27.964 UP TESTING BASED ON THOSE 01:04:28.030 --> 01:04:29.732 RESULTS. THAT SAID, CARRIERS 01:04:29.799 --> 01:04:31.968 MUST FOLLOW THE SCIENCE. MORE 01:04:32.034 --> 01:04:32.635 IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO FOCUS ON 01:04:32.702 --> 01:04:34.203 THE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU'VE HEARD 01:04:34.270 --> 01:04:35.204 ABOUT FEARS OF INSURANCE 01:04:35.271 --> 01:04:35.972 DISCOURAGING PEOPLE FROM 01:04:36.038 --> 01:04:37.006 PARTICIPATING IN GENETIC 01:04:37.073 --> 01:04:38.708 RESEARCH. THE REALITY IS THAT 01:04:38.774 --> 01:04:39.875 MANY PEOPLE ARE DEEPLY CONFUSED 01:04:39.942 --> 01:04:41.410 ABOUT THE ROLE OF GENETICS IN 01:04:41.477 --> 01:04:42.712 INSURANCE, AND MANY OF THESE 01:04:42.778 --> 01:04:43.980 LARGELY HYPOTHETICAL SURVEYS. 01:04:44.046 --> 01:04:45.181 THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE DECLINE 01:04:45.248 --> 01:04:47.016 GENETIC TESTING ARE FEAR THE 01:04:47.083 --> 01:04:47.984 RESULTS THEMSELVES, NOT THE 01:04:48.050 --> 01:04:49.552 LOGISTICS AND LOGISTICAL 01:04:49.619 --> 01:04:51.420 BARRIERS. GENERAL FEAR OF 01:04:51.487 --> 01:04:53.155 DISCRIMINATION RATES LOWER, AND 01:04:53.222 --> 01:04:54.223 IN MANY STUDIES, THERE'S NO 01:04:54.290 --> 01:04:55.691 CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN 01:04:55.758 --> 01:04:57.159 DISCRIMINATION AND INSURANCE 01:04:57.226 --> 01:04:58.828 DISCRIMINATION. BUT RATHER THAN 01:04:58.894 --> 01:05:00.429 LITIGATE THIS, WE PROPOSED 01:05:00.496 --> 01:05:01.864 AMENDMENTS TO COMPLETELY REMOVE 01:05:01.931 --> 01:05:03.666 THE RESEARCH RESULTS FROM 01:05:03.733 --> 01:05:05.368 INSURANCE CONSIDERATION AS 01:05:05.434 --> 01:05:06.602 DRAFTED. THE BILL STILL ALLOWS 01:05:06.669 --> 01:05:07.803 THOSE RESULTS TO BE CONSIDERED 01:05:07.870 --> 01:05:10.039 FOR POLICIES ABOVE $1.5 MILLION. 01:05:10.106 --> 01:05:11.540 THAT MEANS EVEN IF THIS BILL 01:05:11.607 --> 01:05:13.743 PASSES AS IT IS IN PRINT, 01:05:13.809 --> 01:05:14.710 CALIFORNIANS MAY STILL RECEIVE 01:05:14.777 --> 01:05:16.679 A GENERALIZED DISCLOSURE BEFORE 01:05:16.746 --> 01:05:17.313 PARTICIPATING IN RESEARCH 01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:18.814 STATING THAT PARTICIPATION IN A 01:05:18.881 --> 01:05:20.216 STUDY COULD AFFECT THEIR 01:05:20.283 --> 01:05:21.284 INSURANCE. GIVEN THAT MUCH OF 01:05:21.350 --> 01:05:22.451 THE CONCERN AROUND THIS BILL IS 01:05:22.518 --> 01:05:23.719 FOCUSED ON NOT DISCOURAGING 01:05:23.786 --> 01:05:24.720 GROUNDBREAKING RESEARCH, WE 01:05:24.787 --> 01:05:26.455 AGREE THAT RESEARCH RESULTS 01:05:26.522 --> 01:05:27.723 SHOULD BE COMPLETELY OFF THE 01:05:27.790 --> 01:05:29.525 TABLE. HOWEVER, WHEN A CONSUMER 01:05:29.592 --> 01:05:30.960 IS CHOOSING A MEDICALLY 01:05:31.027 --> 01:05:32.028 UNDERWRITTEN POLICY, WE NEED TO 01:05:32.094 --> 01:05:33.396 KNOW WHAT THE PATIENT'S DOCTOR 01:05:33.462 --> 01:05:35.631 KNOWS. THIS IS CRITICAL, BUT IF 01:05:35.698 --> 01:05:36.799 CONSUMERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT 01:05:36.866 --> 01:05:37.833 FULLY OPENING THEIR MEDICAL 01:05:37.900 --> 01:05:38.934 FILE, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, 01:05:39.001 --> 01:05:40.369 INCLUDING ACCELERATED 01:05:40.436 --> 01:05:41.537 UNDERWRITING, GUARANTEED ISSUE 01:05:41.604 --> 01:05:42.738 PRODUCTS AND GROUP COVERAGE 01:05:42.805 --> 01:05:44.040 WHERE THERE IS NO TRADITIONAL 01:05:44.106 --> 01:05:46.542 MEDICAL UNDERWRITING. I ASK YOU 01:05:46.609 --> 01:05:48.311 TO COME TO A CLOSE. SORRY, I'LL 01:05:48.377 --> 01:05:49.812 TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE 01:05:49.879 --> 01:05:52.281 HERE. JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR 01:05:52.348 --> 01:05:53.416 AMENDMENTS TO THIS TO ALLOW 01:05:53.482 --> 01:05:54.517 ACCESS TO THE MEDICAL FILE. 01:05:54.583 --> 01:05:56.419 YOU'RE ALSO OVER, BUT WITHIN 01:05:56.485 --> 01:05:58.421 ONE BILL WE TRY TO PROVIDE 01:05:58.487 --> 01:05:59.088 RECIPROCAL. BUT IF YOU'RE 01:05:59.155 --> 01:06:00.056 LISTENING FOR ANOTHER BILL, 01:06:00.122 --> 01:06:01.824 WE'RE NOT GOING TO. 240 FOR 01:06:01.891 --> 01:06:02.925 EVERYBODY. BUT THANK YOU VERY 01:06:02.992 --> 01:06:04.093 MUCH TO THE SECOND WITNESS. 01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:05.828 THANK YOU. I HOPE TO PROVIDE 01:06:05.895 --> 01:06:06.996 TODAY A UNIQUE AND BALANCED 01:06:07.063 --> 01:06:08.130 PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I'VE SPENT 01:06:08.197 --> 01:06:09.465 ALMOST EQUAL TIME IN MY CAREER 01:06:09.532 --> 01:06:10.866 AS HEAD OF UNDERWRITING AND 01:06:10.933 --> 01:06:12.435 CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER FOR AN 01:06:12.501 --> 01:06:13.469 INSURER, BUT ALSO AS A 01:06:13.536 --> 01:06:15.037 PRACTICING NEUROLOGIST, TAKING 01:06:15.104 --> 01:06:16.672 CARE OF PATIENTS FOR OVER TEN 01:06:16.739 --> 01:06:18.140 YEARS AT THE HEART AND 01:06:18.207 --> 01:06:19.575 BEGINNING OF THE LIFE INSURANCE 01:06:19.642 --> 01:06:21.344 APPLICATION PROCESS IS THE 01:06:21.410 --> 01:06:23.479 PROCESS OF INFORMED CONSENT. 01:06:23.546 --> 01:06:24.947 THIS GETS TO THE VERY BASIC 01:06:25.014 --> 01:06:26.749 PRINCIPLES OF LIFE INSURANCE 01:06:26.816 --> 01:06:27.917 UNDERWRITING. THE FIRST IS THAT 01:06:27.983 --> 01:06:30.419 THIS IS AN ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY 01:06:30.486 --> 01:06:32.154 PROCESS TO PRODUCE, TO PURCHASE 01:06:32.221 --> 01:06:33.589 A FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT THAT MAY 01:06:33.656 --> 01:06:35.391 BE WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 01:06:35.458 --> 01:06:38.694 THE SECOND IS THAT THE VERY 01:06:38.761 --> 01:06:40.162 BASICS OF PRICING THE PRODUCT 01:06:40.229 --> 01:06:41.931 ARE BASED ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S 01:06:41.997 --> 01:06:44.467 LIFE EXPECTANCY. AND THE MOST 01:06:44.533 --> 01:06:45.534 IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE, WHICH HAS 01:06:45.601 --> 01:06:47.136 LASTED FOR 200 YEARS, WHICH 01:06:47.203 --> 01:06:49.038 THIS BILL WOULD COMPLETELY 01:06:49.105 --> 01:06:50.840 UPEND, IS THAT LIFE INSURANCE 01:06:50.906 --> 01:06:53.042 UNDERWRITING IS BASED ON A FREE, 01:06:53.109 --> 01:06:54.844 OPEN, TRANSPARENT EXCHANGE OF 01:06:54.910 --> 01:06:56.345 INFORMATION BETWEEN APPLICANT 01:06:56.412 --> 01:06:58.781 AND INSURER. WHY IS THIS ASPECT 01:06:58.848 --> 01:07:00.950 SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT? ONE, 01:07:01.016 --> 01:07:02.385 IT'S THE BASIS OF THE 01:07:02.451 --> 01:07:03.853 AFFORDABILITY OF THE PRODUCT. 01:07:03.919 --> 01:07:05.588 HOW MUCH SHOULD WE BE CHARGING 01:07:05.654 --> 01:07:07.823 YOU? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE BE 01:07:07.890 --> 01:07:10.025 RESERVING IF WE HAVE NO IDEA 01:07:10.092 --> 01:07:11.460 WHAT MEDICAL MEDICAL 01:07:11.527 --> 01:07:12.828 INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE 01:07:12.895 --> 01:07:14.363 WITHHOLDING? SECOND, IT GIVES 01:07:14.430 --> 01:07:16.098 US CONFIDENCE TO OFFER POLICIES 01:07:16.165 --> 01:07:17.900 THAT ARE LARGER IN NATURE TO 01:07:17.967 --> 01:07:19.335 PROTECT THE ENTIRE AMOUNT THAT 01:07:19.402 --> 01:07:20.736 A FAMILY MAY HAVE EARNED 01:07:20.803 --> 01:07:22.271 THROUGHOUT THEIR COURSE. BUT 01:07:22.338 --> 01:07:24.407 PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO ME, 01:07:24.473 --> 01:07:26.909 IT ALLOWS US TO BE FAIR IN OUR 01:07:26.976 --> 01:07:29.011 RISK ASSESSMENTS. YOU SEE, WHEN 01:07:29.078 --> 01:07:30.913 I LOOK AT APPLICATIONS, I SEE 01:07:30.980 --> 01:07:33.015 THAT INDIVIDUALS WITH GENETIC 01:07:33.082 --> 01:07:34.083 CONDITIONS. BUT RIGHT NEXT TO 01:07:34.150 --> 01:07:36.318 THAT APPLICATION IS A MOTHER OF 01:07:36.385 --> 01:07:37.753 THREE WITH MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS 01:07:37.820 --> 01:07:39.555 OR A POLICE OFFICER WITH A 01:07:39.622 --> 01:07:41.190 SPINAL CORD INJURY. NONE OF 01:07:41.257 --> 01:07:43.058 THESE INDIVIDUALS ASKED FOR 01:07:43.125 --> 01:07:45.594 THEIR CONDITION. NONE OF THESE 01:07:45.661 --> 01:07:46.862 INDIVIDUALS. IS THAT CONDITION 01:07:46.929 --> 01:07:49.231 NOW REVERSIBLE? IT'S A PART OF 01:07:49.298 --> 01:07:52.034 THEM. UNDER WHAT SYSTEM WOULD 01:07:52.101 --> 01:07:54.770 IT BE POSSIBLY FAIR TO CHARGE 01:07:54.837 --> 01:07:56.472 THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO ALL HAVE 01:07:56.539 --> 01:07:58.207 THE SAME LIFE EXPECTANCY, 01:07:58.274 --> 01:08:00.709 WILDLY DIFFERENT PREMIUMS? AND 01:08:00.776 --> 01:08:04.313 WHAT'S EVEN WORSE IS THAT THOSE 01:08:04.380 --> 01:08:05.548 INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OPEN, 01:08:05.614 --> 01:08:07.650 HONEST AND DISCLOSE THAT 01:08:07.716 --> 01:08:08.651 INFORMATION IN THE LIFE 01:08:08.717 --> 01:08:10.085 INSURANCE PROCESS WOULD NOW 01:08:10.152 --> 01:08:12.621 BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE PREMIUM 01:08:12.688 --> 01:08:14.123 FOR ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS 01:08:14.190 --> 01:08:15.891 THAT WE ARE NOW CARVING OUT, 01:08:15.958 --> 01:08:17.993 NOT ONLY FOR CALIFORNIA, BUT 01:08:18.060 --> 01:08:19.795 EVERY INDIVIDUAL WHO DECIDES TO 01:08:19.862 --> 01:08:21.630 COME TO CALIFORNIA TO PURCHASE 01:08:21.697 --> 01:08:24.867 A POLICY WHICH WOULD BE DEEMED 01:08:24.934 --> 01:08:26.302 UNSUSTAINABLE AND UNFAIR IN 01:08:26.368 --> 01:08:29.905 EVERY OTHER STATE IN THE UNION. 01:08:29.972 --> 01:08:31.707 FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME THAT 01:08:31.774 --> 01:08:33.542 I'M AWARE OF, CALIFORNIA WOULD 01:08:33.609 --> 01:08:35.244 BE ESTABLISHING DIFFERENT 01:08:35.311 --> 01:08:37.847 CLASSES IN TIERS OF MEDICAL 01:08:37.913 --> 01:08:39.315 PRIVACY, IN LIFE INSURANCE, 01:08:39.381 --> 01:08:40.716 UNDERWRITING. WE'D BE TELLING 01:08:40.783 --> 01:08:42.117 INDIVIDUALS WITH MENTAL HEALTH 01:08:42.184 --> 01:08:43.352 CONDITIONS, WITH PRIOR 01:08:43.419 --> 01:08:45.488 SUBSTANCE ABUSE, WITH DEMENTIA, 01:08:45.554 --> 01:08:47.556 THAT YOUR LEVEL OF PRIVACY IS 01:08:47.623 --> 01:08:50.726 NOW SOMEHOW WORTH LESS THAN AN 01:08:50.793 --> 01:08:52.228 INDIVIDUAL WITH A MEDICAL 01:08:52.294 --> 01:08:54.363 CONDITION. AT THE HEART OF AN 01:08:54.430 --> 01:08:55.464 INFORMED CONSENT IS THE 01:08:55.531 --> 01:08:57.633 PRINCIPLE THAT A CONSUMER OWNS 01:08:57.700 --> 01:08:59.802 THEIR OWN MEDICAL INFORMATION. 01:08:59.869 --> 01:09:02.004 THIS BILL WOULD STRIP THAT FROM 01:09:02.071 --> 01:09:04.573 THE INDIVIDUAL CALIFORNIA 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:06.976 CONSUMERS IN PARTICULAR. HOW SO? 01:09:07.042 --> 01:09:09.845 IF WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL Ã 01:09:09.912 --> 01:09:12.047 THERE WHO ENDED UP BECAUSE OF A 01:09:12.114 --> 01:09:13.749 CONCERNING TEST, HAD IT BE 01:09:13.816 --> 01:09:15.117 NEGATIVE GENETIC TESTING, THEY 01:09:15.184 --> 01:09:16.886 WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BRING 01:09:16.952 --> 01:09:19.154 THAT TO THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. 01:09:19.221 --> 01:09:20.623 ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE OTHER 01:09:20.689 --> 01:09:22.458 WITNESSES WHO WISH TO PROVIDE 01:09:22.525 --> 01:09:23.859 REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION TO 01:09:23.926 --> 01:09:25.394 THE BILL? AGAIN, NAME, 01:09:25.461 --> 01:09:27.229 AFFILIATION, IF ANY NÓ LOBBYING 01:09:27.296 --> 01:09:28.998 FIRM AND YOUR POSITION? GOOD 01:09:29.064 --> 01:09:30.099 MORNING. SHERRY MCCUE, 01:09:30.165 --> 01:09:30.733 REPRESENTING THE NATIONAL 01:09:30.799 --> 01:09:31.834 ASSOCIATION OF INSURANCE AND 01:09:31.901 --> 01:09:33.302 FINANCIAL ADVISORS. WE ARE 01:09:33.369 --> 01:09:34.203 OPPOSED UNLESS AMENDED, AND 01:09:34.270 --> 01:09:35.271 LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO 01:09:35.337 --> 01:09:37.206 WORK WITH THE AUTHOR TO SEE IF 01:09:37.273 --> 01:09:38.440 WE CAN ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. 01:09:38.507 --> 01:09:40.409 THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MEGAN 01:09:40.476 --> 01:09:41.477 LOPER. ON BEHALF OF THE 01:09:41.544 --> 01:09:42.645 AMERICAN COUNCIL OF LIFE, 01:09:42.711 --> 01:09:43.712 INSURERS SIMILARLY OPPOSE, 01:09:43.779 --> 01:09:44.847 UNLESS AMENDED, BUT LOOK 01:09:44.914 --> 01:09:45.881 FORWARD TO REVIEWING THE 01:09:45.948 --> 01:09:48.651 AMENDMENTS DISCUSSED TODAY. 01:09:48.717 --> 01:09:49.785 THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO 01:09:49.852 --> 01:09:50.886 OTHER WITNESSES, THEN WE'LL 01:09:50.953 --> 01:09:51.954 TURN TO THE COMMITTEE FOR 01:09:52.021 --> 01:09:54.523 QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. MR. 01:09:54.590 --> 01:09:55.558 INSURANCE COMMITTEE CHAIR, 01:09:55.624 --> 01:09:57.192 WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD US OFF? 01:09:57.259 --> 01:09:58.260 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND 01:09:58.327 --> 01:10:00.195 THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS 01:10:00.262 --> 01:10:01.263 AND THE COMMITTEE'S WORK ON 01:10:01.330 --> 01:10:02.464 THIS. AND TO THE AUTHOR FOR 01:10:02.531 --> 01:10:04.300 BRINGING THE BILL AND FOR YOUR 01:10:04.366 --> 01:10:06.001 WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT THE 01:10:06.068 --> 01:10:07.703 PRINCIPLED AMENDS TAKEN HERE IN 01:10:07.770 --> 01:10:08.737 COMMITTEE. ONE OF THE THINGS 01:10:08.804 --> 01:10:10.639 THAT WE GRAPPLE WITH, WITH THE 01:10:10.706 --> 01:10:13.776 ADVENT AND THE BENEFIT OF THE 01:10:13.842 --> 01:10:16.712 APPLICATION OF NEW TECH AND THE 01:10:16.779 --> 01:10:18.113 INSIGHTS THAT IT BRINGS, IS 01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:19.949 ALSO THE CHALLENGE THAT FROM A 01:10:20.015 --> 01:10:21.784 POLICY AND EQUITY AND JUSTICE 01:10:21.850 --> 01:10:23.519 STANDPOINT AND FROM A SOCIAL 01:10:23.586 --> 01:10:25.020 RESPONSIBILITY AND MORAL 01:10:25.087 --> 01:10:26.088 STANDPOINT, THAT WE GET THE 01:10:26.155 --> 01:10:28.557 BALANCE RIGHT. AND IT ISN'T 01:10:28.624 --> 01:10:29.992 JUST PURELY DUE RESPECT TO THE 01:10:30.059 --> 01:10:31.827 CONCERNS LEGITIMATELY RAISED BY 01:10:31.894 --> 01:10:33.228 THE OPPOSITION FROM AN 01:10:33.295 --> 01:10:34.597 OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, THEY'RE 01:10:34.663 --> 01:10:35.531 SIMPLY NOT WROTE. THEY'RE 01:10:35.598 --> 01:10:36.899 SIMPLY NOT CLINICAL. RIGHT. 01:10:36.966 --> 01:10:38.334 THERE ARE OTHER BROADER 01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:39.335 CONSIDERATIONS HERE THAT HAVE 01:10:39.401 --> 01:10:41.236 TO BE PUT TOGETHER IN CONTEXT 01:10:41.303 --> 01:10:42.705 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS 01:10:42.771 --> 01:10:44.473 RIGHT. THERE ARE CONCERNS, AND 01:10:44.540 --> 01:10:45.874 I ARGUE THIS, YOU KNOW, 01:10:45.941 --> 01:10:47.076 CERTAINLY IN MY OWN COMMITTEE, 01:10:47.142 --> 01:10:48.143 THERE ARE DISTINCTIONS, AND YOU 01:10:48.210 --> 01:10:49.945 COULD APPLY IT IN THE REALM OF 01:10:50.012 --> 01:10:51.680 PRIVACY TO THE PRIOR AND 01:10:51.747 --> 01:10:53.682 EXISTING PRACTICE OF EVALUATING 01:10:53.749 --> 01:10:55.150 AND UNDERWRITING MEDICAL 01:10:55.217 --> 01:10:56.652 UNDERWRITING, WHETHER OR NOT TO, 01:10:56.719 --> 01:10:58.020 YOU KNOW, HOW YOU PRICE RISK 01:10:58.087 --> 01:11:03.158 AND HOW YOU PRICE A POLICY. 01:11:03.225 --> 01:11:04.326 THAT IS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED 01:11:04.393 --> 01:11:06.328 AND IT IMPACTS PRIVACY RIGHTS, 01:11:06.395 --> 01:11:08.564 RIGHT? WE HAVE A WINDOW THAT IS 01:11:08.631 --> 01:11:10.366 BROADER AND PROSPECTIVELY MUCH 01:11:10.432 --> 01:11:11.767 BROADER, EVEN POTENTIALLY 01:11:11.834 --> 01:11:14.236 ABUSIVE. IF WE DON'T GET THIS 01:11:14.303 --> 01:11:16.805 RIGHT, THERE IS A PLACE FOR 01:11:16.872 --> 01:11:20.776 THIS TO BE AVAILABLE TO INFORM 01:11:20.843 --> 01:11:21.844 FOLKS, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PLACE 01:11:21.910 --> 01:11:23.679 TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL 01:11:23.746 --> 01:11:24.713 LIBERTIES AND PRIVACY AND 01:11:24.780 --> 01:11:26.215 REASONABLE EXPECTATION THEREOF 01:11:26.281 --> 01:11:28.784 OF ANYBODY WHO IS WHO IS 01:11:28.851 --> 01:11:30.185 WAIVING AND CONSENTING TO THEIR 01:11:30.252 --> 01:11:31.620 MEDICAL CHART TO BE EXAMINED. 01:11:31.687 --> 01:11:33.722 SO I THINK THAT THE AMENDS THAT 01:11:33.789 --> 01:11:35.157 ARE SUGGESTED HERE ARE 01:11:35.224 --> 01:11:36.992 APPROPRIATE AND RESPONSIBLE, 01:11:37.059 --> 01:11:38.827 AND I THINK THE BILL SHOULD 01:11:38.894 --> 01:11:41.330 MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU, MR. 01:11:41.397 --> 01:11:43.499 CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, SENATOR 01:11:43.565 --> 01:11:46.635 MCNERNEY. WELL, I THANK THE 01:11:46.702 --> 01:11:47.803 AUTHOR FOR BRINGING THIS 01:11:47.870 --> 01:11:48.904 FORWARD AND FOR WORKING WITH 01:11:48.971 --> 01:11:51.373 THE COMMITTEE. I WANT TO TELL 01:11:51.440 --> 01:11:52.541 YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AN 01:11:52.608 --> 01:11:54.643 EXPERIENCE I HAD ABOUT A DECADE 01:11:54.710 --> 01:11:57.146 AGO. I WAS IN THE HOUSE OF 01:11:57.212 --> 01:11:57.880 REPRESENTATIVES, AND WE WERE 01:11:57.946 --> 01:11:59.314 DEBATING THE AFFORDABLE CARE 01:11:59.381 --> 01:12:01.950 ACT, AND IT WAS VERY 01:12:02.017 --> 01:12:02.985 CONTROVERSIAL. ONE OF THE 01:12:03.052 --> 01:12:06.555 ISSUES WAS, DO WE WANT TO 01:12:06.622 --> 01:12:08.257 INCLUDE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS? 01:12:08.323 --> 01:12:11.160 SO ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE 01:12:11.226 --> 01:12:12.861 SUFFERING FROM DIABETES, ARE 01:12:12.928 --> 01:12:14.630 THEY GOING TO BE EXCLUDED FROM 01:12:14.697 --> 01:12:16.932 HEALTH INSURANCE? AND IF NOT, 01:12:16.999 --> 01:12:20.602 HOW DO YOU PRICE THAT SO THAT 01:12:20.669 --> 01:12:22.738 IT'S FAIR? AND THE WAY TO PRICE 01:12:22.805 --> 01:12:24.707 THIS IS TO MAKE THE THE POOL OF 01:12:24.773 --> 01:12:26.775 PEOPLE BIGGER AND BIGGER. AND 01:12:26.842 --> 01:12:29.178 THAT PASSED. WE PASSED THAT 01:12:29.244 --> 01:12:30.946 BILL. IT HAD AN INCREDIBLE 01:12:31.013 --> 01:12:32.981 EFFECT ON AMERICAN ABILITY TO 01:12:33.048 --> 01:12:34.983 HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT WE 01:12:35.050 --> 01:12:36.685 PAID A HUGE POLITICAL PRICE FOR 01:12:36.752 --> 01:12:39.254 THAT DECISION. AND WE STILL DO. 01:12:39.321 --> 01:12:42.524 I SEE THIS IN A SIMILAR LIGHT. 01:12:42.591 --> 01:12:43.926 YOU MENTIONED GENETIC DATA IS 01:12:43.992 --> 01:12:45.694 VERY DIFFERENT FROM OTHER 01:12:45.761 --> 01:12:47.596 HEALTH DATA, AND IT IS IF YOU 01:12:47.663 --> 01:12:49.364 ALREADY HAVE A PREEXISTING 01:12:49.431 --> 01:12:51.033 CONDITION, THEN THAT'S TAKEN 01:12:51.100 --> 01:12:52.935 INTO ACCOUNT IN YOUR LIFE 01:12:53.001 --> 01:12:54.670 INSURANCE POLICY AS IT SHOULD 01:12:54.737 --> 01:12:56.505 BE. BUT GENETIC DATA IS 01:12:56.572 --> 01:12:58.006 DIFFERENT THAN THAT, IN MY 01:12:58.073 --> 01:12:59.775 OPINION. DOES IT IMPLY RISK? 01:12:59.842 --> 01:13:03.378 DOES IT IMPLY THAT WHEN THAT 01:13:03.445 --> 01:13:05.147 DOES IT EXCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY 01:13:05.214 --> 01:13:07.683 FOR NEW, NEW ADVANCES IN 01:13:07.750 --> 01:13:09.852 MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY AND MEDICAL 01:13:09.918 --> 01:13:11.587 SCIENCE? AND I THINK IT WOULD. 01:13:11.653 --> 01:13:15.190 SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT THE 01:13:15.257 --> 01:13:16.358 AUTHOR IS STILL OPEN TO 01:13:16.425 --> 01:13:17.793 AMENDING. IF THERE'S IDEAS THAT 01:13:17.860 --> 01:13:19.461 HELP THE THE BILL, BUT I'M 01:13:19.528 --> 01:13:20.629 GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS AT 01:13:20.696 --> 01:13:24.633 THIS POINT. THANK YOU. ALL 01:13:24.700 --> 01:13:28.504 RIGHT. I, I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE 01:13:28.570 --> 01:13:29.505 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE AUTHOR, 01:13:29.571 --> 01:13:31.173 AND THIS COMES FROM A GREAT 01:13:31.240 --> 01:13:33.175 DEAL OF EXPERTISE AND 01:13:33.242 --> 01:13:36.478 EXPERIENCE. AND I ALSO WANT TO 01:13:36.545 --> 01:13:38.147 SAY THAT A LOT OF WHAT THE 01:13:38.213 --> 01:13:39.748 OPPOSITION SAID, PROBABLY MOST 01:13:39.815 --> 01:13:41.517 OF IT, I THINK IS, IS MAYBE 01:13:41.583 --> 01:13:42.951 RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE IT'S RIGHT 01:13:43.018 --> 01:13:44.853 NOW, THOUGH. AND THAT'S PART OF 01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:46.021 THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE FACING 01:13:46.088 --> 01:13:49.391 HERE. YOU KNOW, I WAS AN EARLY 01:13:49.458 --> 01:13:52.327 SIGN UP FOR ANCESTRY.COM. I 01:13:52.394 --> 01:13:53.395 UPLOADED MY GENETIC DATA, ALL 01:13:53.462 --> 01:13:55.564 KINDS OF OTHER THINGS. AND I'M 01:13:55.631 --> 01:13:57.299 NOT SURE I AGREE IN THE LONG 01:13:57.366 --> 01:13:58.333 TERM THAT GENETIC DATA IS 01:13:58.400 --> 01:14:00.235 NECESSARILY MORE SENSITIVE THAN 01:14:00.302 --> 01:14:02.171 THE STD TEST I MIGHT HAVE TAKEN. 01:14:02.237 --> 01:14:03.672 YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AFTER A 01:14:03.739 --> 01:14:04.940 NIGHT OUT OF THE CLUB RIGHT 01:14:05.007 --> 01:14:06.775 THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS 01:14:06.842 --> 01:14:07.910 IN OUR MEDICAL RECORDS I DON'T 01:14:07.976 --> 01:14:09.778 WANT TO BE SHARED. SO I'M NOT 01:14:09.845 --> 01:14:10.979 SURE. LIKE CATEGORICALLY IT'S 01:14:11.046 --> 01:14:13.515 IT'S MORE SENSITIVE. AND THE 01:14:13.582 --> 01:14:14.616 PREDICTION ISSUES I THINK ARE 01:14:14.683 --> 01:14:16.785 STILL TO BE RESOLVED. IF I GET 01:14:16.852 --> 01:14:18.821 A IF THERE'S A IF AN MRI OR A 01:14:18.887 --> 01:14:20.789 CT SCAN SHOWS A TUMOR AND WE 01:14:20.856 --> 01:14:21.990 DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD TURN 01:14:22.057 --> 01:14:23.325 TURN MALIGNANT, THEN THAT IS 01:14:23.392 --> 01:14:24.827 THAT'S PROBABILISTIC. IT'S NOT 01:14:24.893 --> 01:14:27.162 FOR SURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 01:14:27.229 --> 01:14:29.798 AND, AND IT MAY DIFFER IN THE 01:14:29.865 --> 01:14:31.166 PERCENTAGES COMPARED TO A 01:14:31.233 --> 01:14:32.701 GENETIC TEST, BUT IT'S NOT 01:14:32.768 --> 01:14:34.469 FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT. SO I 01:14:34.536 --> 01:14:36.371 COULD CERTAINLY IMAGINE A WORLD 01:14:36.438 --> 01:14:38.140 IN WHICH THIS INFORMATION, SOME 01:14:38.207 --> 01:14:40.642 OF IT NOT THE FULL GENOME AND 01:14:40.709 --> 01:14:42.211 NOT SOME OF THE OTHER GENETIC 01:14:42.277 --> 01:14:43.445 TESTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, COULD 01:14:43.512 --> 01:14:45.214 BE USEFUL, EVEN ON THE LIFE 01:14:45.280 --> 01:14:46.315 INSURANCE SIDE. AT THE SAME 01:14:46.381 --> 01:14:47.416 TIME, THOUGH, THIS IS A 01:14:47.482 --> 01:14:52.855 SOCIETAL QUESTION AND. YES, THE 01:14:52.921 --> 01:14:53.956 INFORMATION COULD BE HELPFUL, 01:14:54.022 --> 01:14:55.357 BUT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ANOTHER 01:14:55.424 --> 01:14:57.226 BILL LATER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF 01:14:57.292 --> 01:14:58.627 IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR I MEAN, 01:14:58.694 --> 01:15:00.395 WOULD LIFE INSURANCE BE RATED 01:15:00.462 --> 01:15:01.897 SLIGHTLY MORE PRECISELY IF YOU 01:15:01.964 --> 01:15:04.032 KNEW THAT I WASN'T BREAKING, 01:15:04.099 --> 01:15:06.201 BREAKING PROPERLY IN MY VEHICLE 01:15:06.268 --> 01:15:08.570 AND COULDN'T LIFE INSURANCE 01:15:08.637 --> 01:15:09.671 BENEFIT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE 01:15:09.738 --> 01:15:11.506 IF IT HAD MY TELEMATICS DATA? 01:15:11.573 --> 01:15:13.008 IF THE LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY 01:15:13.075 --> 01:15:14.409 HAD ACCESS TO ANOTHER BILL THAT 01:15:14.476 --> 01:15:15.611 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UP LATER, A 01:15:15.677 --> 01:15:16.712 COUPLE ON TICKETING FOR 01:15:16.778 --> 01:15:18.413 CONCERTS AND KNEW I WAS 01:15:18.480 --> 01:15:19.581 ATTENDING A LOT OF CONCERTS 01:15:19.648 --> 01:15:21.683 LATE AT NIGHT, WHICH MIGHT 01:15:21.750 --> 01:15:22.951 SUGGEST THERE'S A FEAR OF BEING 01:15:23.018 --> 01:15:24.119 OVERRUN BY A CROWD OR NOT 01:15:24.186 --> 01:15:25.621 SLEEPING ENOUGH. IS THAT 01:15:25.687 --> 01:15:27.022 RELEVANT? SO, I MEAN, THERE'S 01:15:27.089 --> 01:15:29.224 NO THE THIS ISN'T THE INSURANCE 01:15:29.291 --> 01:15:29.958 COMMITTEE, BUT IT IS A 01:15:30.025 --> 01:15:31.727 COMMITTEE ABOUT LIKE, HOW MUCH 01:15:31.793 --> 01:15:34.563 OF OUR PRIVACY SHOULD WE BE 01:15:34.630 --> 01:15:36.064 GIVING UP? AND THAT IS A, THAT 01:15:36.131 --> 01:15:38.000 IS A POLICY CHOICE. AND IT IS 01:15:38.066 --> 01:15:40.035 ONE THAT THAT EVOLVES OVER TIME. 01:15:40.102 --> 01:15:41.403 AND THERE ARE THINGS IN THE 01:15:41.470 --> 01:15:44.673 LIFE INSURANCE DATA THAT ARE 01:15:44.740 --> 01:15:46.108 THAT 20 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE SAID, 01:15:46.174 --> 01:15:47.242 ABSOLUTELY NOT. NOW THEY'RE 01:15:47.309 --> 01:15:49.444 NORMAL. THIS MAY BE THAT IN A 01:15:49.511 --> 01:15:50.946 FEW YEARS FROM NOW, BUT IT 01:15:51.013 --> 01:15:53.282 ISN'T TODAY. AND IT DOES MATTER 01:15:53.348 --> 01:15:55.450 BECAUSE THAT ANXIETY ABOUT IT 01:15:55.517 --> 01:15:57.753 IS, IS, IS LEADING SOME PEOPLE 01:15:57.819 --> 01:16:00.522 TO NOT TEST IN WAYS THAT WOULD 01:16:00.589 --> 01:16:02.357 BE POTENTIALLY VERY IMPORTANT 01:16:02.424 --> 01:16:04.459 FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH. AND SO I 01:16:04.526 --> 01:16:05.594 PERSONALLY THINK THAT THERE'S 01:16:05.661 --> 01:16:07.129 THERE IS, AS I SAY, SOME VALUE 01:16:07.195 --> 01:16:08.430 TO WHAT THE OPPOSITION IS 01:16:08.497 --> 01:16:09.932 ARGUING. AND IN MANY WAYS 01:16:09.998 --> 01:16:12.634 ACTUALLY, BUT THIS REQUIRES 01:16:12.701 --> 01:16:14.236 SOCIAL AND CULTURAL CHANGE AS 01:16:14.303 --> 01:16:15.971 WELL, AS WELL AS EXAMINING THE 01:16:16.038 --> 01:16:18.106 TRADEOFFS ABOUT WHICH DATA, HOW 01:16:18.173 --> 01:16:19.541 PERFECT IS, IS MY LIFE 01:16:19.608 --> 01:16:21.043 INSURANCE RECORD COMPARED TO MY 01:16:21.109 --> 01:16:23.178 TO MY PRIVACY RIGHTS? SOCIETY 01:16:23.245 --> 01:16:25.013 IS NOT READY FOR GENETIC 01:16:25.080 --> 01:16:26.448 INFORMATION TO BE A PRIMARY 01:16:26.515 --> 01:16:27.649 DETERMINANT. I THINK ALSO JUST 01:16:27.716 --> 01:16:28.984 MORE TECHNICALLY, THERE'S NO 01:16:29.051 --> 01:16:29.985 REASON WHY THE GENOME LANGUAGE 01:16:30.052 --> 01:16:31.787 IS IN THERE IS IT'S THAT THAT 01:16:31.853 --> 01:16:33.288 LEVEL OF GENETIC INFORMATION IS 01:16:33.355 --> 01:16:35.457 NEVER NECESSARY FOR THIS 01:16:35.524 --> 01:16:37.659 PURPOSE AND ENCOURAGES FISHING 01:16:37.726 --> 01:16:39.661 EXPEDITIONS AND AND RELATIVE 01:16:39.728 --> 01:16:41.196 MATCHING AND OTHER THE SORT OF 01:16:41.263 --> 01:16:42.731 THINGS I DIDN'T THINK ENOUGH 01:16:42.798 --> 01:16:44.232 ABOUT WHEN I SIGNED UP FOR 01:16:44.299 --> 01:16:45.567 ANCESTRY MYSELF. SO THE GENOMIC 01:16:45.634 --> 01:16:46.601 INFORMATION MORE GENERALLY IS, 01:16:46.668 --> 01:16:48.837 IS ISN'T APPROPRIATE. AND WE'RE 01:16:48.904 --> 01:16:50.172 STILL LEARNING EVEN IN THE 01:16:50.238 --> 01:16:52.274 INDUSTRY AND, AND IN MEDICINE 01:16:52.341 --> 01:16:53.375 ABOUT THINGS LIKE POLYGENIC 01:16:53.442 --> 01:16:56.278 RISK SCORES THAT CAN BE FOR 01:16:56.345 --> 01:16:57.479 SPECIFIC CONDITION, BUT THEY 01:16:57.546 --> 01:16:58.847 CAN ALSO BE FOR GENERAL 01:16:58.914 --> 01:17:00.382 LIFESTYLE RECOMMENDATIONS, BOTH 01:17:00.449 --> 01:17:01.883 OF WHICH WOULD APPEAR IN A 01:17:01.950 --> 01:17:03.185 MEDICAL RECORD. WE JUST DON'T 01:17:03.251 --> 01:17:05.020 HAVE THE THE TOOLS, THE 01:17:05.087 --> 01:17:05.988 DEFINITIONS, THE PROTECTIONS 01:17:06.054 --> 01:17:07.789 THAT ARE THERE AT A SCALE TO, 01:17:07.856 --> 01:17:09.391 TO DO REALLY ANYTHING BUT WHAT 01:17:09.458 --> 01:17:10.425 THE ASSEMBLYMEMBERS PROPOSING 01:17:10.492 --> 01:17:12.127 TO DO IN THIS BILL. AND SO I 01:17:12.194 --> 01:17:13.795 INTEND TO SUPPORT IT TODAY, OF 01:17:13.862 --> 01:17:15.030 COURSE, ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, 01:17:15.097 --> 01:17:16.231 CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE WITH 01:17:16.298 --> 01:17:17.799 THE INDUSTRY TO HELP US GET 01:17:17.866 --> 01:17:20.035 DOWN THAT PATH OVER TIME. BUT 01:17:20.102 --> 01:17:21.169 THIS SEEMS TO ME A WELL 01:17:21.236 --> 01:17:22.871 TAILORED, WELL BALANCED 01:17:22.938 --> 01:17:24.673 SOLUTION TO WHERE WE AND 01:17:24.740 --> 01:17:26.041 SOCIETY AND PATIENTS ARE RIGHT 01:17:26.108 --> 01:17:27.943 NOW, AND WHAT THE NEED IS FOR 01:17:28.010 --> 01:17:29.044 ADDITIONAL FOR FOLKS TO GET OUT 01:17:29.111 --> 01:17:30.946 AND GET THE TESTING THAT CAN 01:17:31.013 --> 01:17:32.114 HELP TO SAVE THEIR LIVES AND 01:17:32.180 --> 01:17:33.882 MAKE THEIR LIVES BETTER. SO 01:17:33.949 --> 01:17:37.886 WITH THAT, IS THERE WE CAN TAKE 01:17:37.953 --> 01:17:41.256 A MOTION. ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S 01:17:41.323 --> 01:17:43.091 WILSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? 01:17:43.158 --> 01:17:44.893 THANK YOU, CHAIR, I APPRECIATE 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:48.797 YOUR COMMENTS BOTH TO YOU FOR 01:17:48.864 --> 01:17:50.699 THIS COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS 01:17:50.766 --> 01:17:55.070 CHAIR PADILLA, NOTING THAT 01:17:55.137 --> 01:17:57.005 SOMETHING THAT THE OPPOSITION 01:17:57.072 --> 01:17:58.807 NOTED THAT I WANT TO BRING UP 01:17:58.874 --> 01:18:00.108 BECAUSE, ONE, I APPRECIATE THE 01:18:00.175 --> 01:18:02.210 DIALOG THAT WE'VE HAD. THIS IS 01:18:02.277 --> 01:18:04.346 AN IMPORTANT INDUSTRY THAT 01:18:04.413 --> 01:18:06.214 REALLY IS THERE FOR FAMILIES AT. 01:18:06.281 --> 01:18:08.984 AT A DARK TIME, AT THE LOSS OF 01:18:09.051 --> 01:18:12.054 A OF A LOVED ONE. ONE OF THE 01:18:12.120 --> 01:18:13.755 THINGS THAT WAS NOTED WAS ABOUT 01:18:13.822 --> 01:18:15.690 MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS OR SPINAL 01:18:15.757 --> 01:18:17.392 CORD INJURY OR OTHER THINGS. 01:18:17.459 --> 01:18:18.794 THOSE ARE ABOUT DISCLOSURE. AND 01:18:18.860 --> 01:18:20.595 I WOULD SAY IF SOMEBODY HAD 01:18:20.662 --> 01:18:22.697 SOME TYPE OF TESTING THAT WAS A 01:18:22.764 --> 01:18:23.899 DIAGNOSIS EVEN BEFORE THEY GOT 01:18:23.965 --> 01:18:26.068 THE CHART, THEY WOULD BE 01:18:26.134 --> 01:18:28.503 REQUIRED TO DISCLOSE. AND SO WE 01:18:28.570 --> 01:18:30.672 WE THAT NOTHING IN OUR BILL, 01:18:30.739 --> 01:18:32.541 BOTH THE CURRENT LANGUAGE OR 01:18:32.607 --> 01:18:34.676 PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE 01:18:34.743 --> 01:18:36.511 THAT. AND SO HERE WE ARE 01:18:36.578 --> 01:18:37.779 STANDING AT THE INTERSECTION OF 01:18:37.846 --> 01:18:40.048 INNOVATION AND POLICY. AND THE 01:18:40.115 --> 01:18:41.483 CHOICE WE MAKE TODAY WILL SHAPE 01:18:41.550 --> 01:18:43.218 HOW CALIFORNIANS EXPERIENCE THE 01:18:43.285 --> 01:18:45.387 FUTURE OF MEDICINE. CALIFORNIA 01:18:45.454 --> 01:18:47.622 HAS ALWAYS LED THE NATION IN 01:18:47.689 --> 01:18:49.758 RECOGNIZING THAT INNOVATION 01:18:49.825 --> 01:18:51.827 MUST BE MATCHED WITH 01:18:51.893 --> 01:18:53.995 RESPONSIBILITY. AS GENETIC 01:18:54.062 --> 01:18:58.133 TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES. SO TO SO 01:18:58.200 --> 01:18:59.868 TOO MUST OUR SAFEGUARDS. AND AS 01:18:59.935 --> 01:19:02.637 THE CHAIR ACCURATELY NOTED, AS 01:19:02.704 --> 01:19:04.806 IT ADVANCES, IT ALSO EVOLVES 01:19:04.873 --> 01:19:07.275 AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO IT, 01:19:07.342 --> 01:19:09.544 INCLUDING OUR POLICY 01:19:09.611 --> 01:19:12.414 RELATIONSHIP TO IT. AND SO AB 01:19:12.481 --> 01:19:14.850 1798 IS BALANCED. IT ENSURES A 01:19:14.916 --> 01:19:17.853 FUTURE OF TRUST, ACCESS AND 01:19:17.919 --> 01:19:19.788 PROTECTION, NOT FEAR. AND WITH 01:19:19.855 --> 01:19:21.089 THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR 01:19:21.156 --> 01:19:23.925 YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. AND 01:19:23.992 --> 01:19:25.293 THANKS TO ALL THE WITNESSES. IS 01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:28.263 THERE A MOTION ON THE BILL? 01:19:28.330 --> 01:19:29.731 IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SENATOR 01:19:29.798 --> 01:19:31.600 PADILLA, AND THE MOTION TO Dð 01:19:31.666 --> 01:19:33.001 PASS WITH THE AMENDMENTS WILL 01:19:33.068 --> 01:19:35.437 BE WORKED OUT FOR IN THE IN ON 01:19:35.504 --> 01:19:36.471 THE WAY TO THE APPROPRIATIONS 01:19:36.538 --> 01:19:37.272 COMMITTEE, PLEASE CALL. THE 01:19:37.339 --> 01:19:40.142 ROLL MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO 01:19:40.208 --> 01:19:41.143 APPROPRIATIONS. SENATORS. 01:19:41.209 --> 01:19:44.146 BALDWIN. BALDWIN. AYE. SATO. 01:19:44.212 --> 01:19:46.248 GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. 01:19:46.314 --> 01:19:49.184 AYE. OCHOA. PADILLA. PADILLA. 01:19:49.251 --> 01:19:52.454 AYE. REYES. UMBERG. WIENER 3 TO 01:19:52.521 --> 01:19:56.458 0. 3 TO 0. WILL PLACE A MEASURE 01:19:56.525 --> 01:20:05.834 ON CALL. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE 01:20:05.901 --> 01:20:07.903 CONTINUING IN FILE ORDER WITH 01:20:07.969 --> 01:20:09.905 FILE ITEM SIX AB 1349 BY 01:20:09.971 --> 01:20:13.008 ASSEMBLY MEMBER BRIAN. I THINK 01:20:13.074 --> 01:20:14.676 HE WANTS TO GO 18. OH SORRY. 01:20:14.743 --> 01:20:16.178 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 1883 UP 01:20:16.244 --> 01:20:18.647 FIRST, WHICH IS ITEM SEVEN. DUE 01:20:18.713 --> 01:20:21.149 TO THE TRAVEL TIMING FOR A 01:20:21.216 --> 01:20:24.085 WITNESS, I BELIEVE SO. AB 1883. 01:20:24.152 --> 01:20:25.086 MR. ASSEMBLY MEMBER RYAN, 01:20:25.153 --> 01:20:25.921 PLEASE PROCEED WHEN YOU'RE 01:20:25.987 --> 01:20:30.225 READY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 01:20:30.292 --> 01:20:31.993 AND SENATORS, I'M PROUD TO 01:20:32.060 --> 01:20:33.762 PRESENT AB 1883, A BILL WE'VE 01:20:33.828 --> 01:20:35.430 BEEN WORKING ON FOR TWO YEARS, 01:20:35.497 --> 01:20:36.565 WHICH WILL PROHIBIT THE USE OF 01:20:36.631 --> 01:20:38.133 THE MOST INVASIVE FORMS AND 01:20:38.200 --> 01:20:39.134 POTENTIALLY DISCRIMINATORY 01:20:39.201 --> 01:20:41.036 SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS IN THE 01:20:41.102 --> 01:20:42.070 WORKPLACE. BEFORE I BEGIN, I 01:20:42.137 --> 01:20:44.039 WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR AND THE 01:20:44.105 --> 01:20:44.573 COMMITTEE CONSULTANTS FOR 01:20:44.639 --> 01:20:46.141 WORKING WITH ME AND MY TEAM 01:20:46.208 --> 01:20:47.375 HAPPILY WILLING TO ACCEPT THE 01:20:47.442 --> 01:20:48.009 AMENDMENTS. WORKPLACE 01:20:48.076 --> 01:20:49.211 SURVEILLANCE IS NOT A RECENT 01:20:49.277 --> 01:20:50.245 PHENOMENON, BUT TODAY'S 01:20:50.312 --> 01:20:51.413 WORKPLACE SURVEILLANCE TOOLS 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:52.914 DIFFER IN THEIR SCALE, THEIR 01:20:52.981 --> 01:20:54.649 SPEED, AND INVASIVENESS. 01:20:54.716 --> 01:20:55.984 EMPLOYERS USED TO HAVE TO 01:20:56.051 --> 01:20:57.118 MONITOR VIDEO FEEDS TO TRACK 01:20:57.185 --> 01:20:59.020 WORKERS. NOW, AI AND TECH 01:20:59.087 --> 01:20:59.588 ADVANCEMENTS ALLOW THEM TO 01:20:59.654 --> 01:21:01.056 COMPILE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF DATA 01:21:01.122 --> 01:21:02.991 POINTS AND ANALYZE THEM IN REAL 01:21:03.058 --> 01:21:05.527 TIME. CURRENT TECHNOLOGY 01:21:05.594 --> 01:21:06.828 INCLUDES DEVICES TO MONITOR 01:21:06.895 --> 01:21:08.730 WORKER SPEECH, COLLECT NEURAL 01:21:08.797 --> 01:21:10.498 DATA, AND SYSTEMS THAT USE 01:21:10.565 --> 01:21:11.967 EMOTIONAL RECOGNITION. 01:21:12.033 --> 01:21:13.068 EMPLOYERS CAN USE THESE 01:21:13.134 --> 01:21:15.103 SURVEILLANCE DATA, USE THIS 01:21:15.170 --> 01:21:16.972 SURVEILLANCE DATA TO PREDICT 01:21:17.038 --> 01:21:21.142 BEHAVIOR. AND AT TIMES, PUNISH 01:21:21.209 --> 01:21:22.510 WORKERS FOR EXERCISING THEIR 01:21:22.577 --> 01:21:24.579 PROTECTED RIGHTS. EMPLOYER 01:21:24.646 --> 01:21:25.447 SURVEILLANCE TAKES VARIOUS 01:21:25.513 --> 01:21:27.115 FORMS. CALL CENTER WORKERS, FOR 01:21:27.182 --> 01:21:28.350 EXAMPLE, MAY BE REQUIRED TO USE 01:21:28.416 --> 01:21:29.651 TOOLS THAT EMPLOY, EMPLOY 01:21:29.718 --> 01:21:31.086 EMOTIONAL RECOGNITION AND 01:21:31.152 --> 01:21:32.420 GENERATIVE AI TO ANALYZE 01:21:32.487 --> 01:21:33.488 INTERACTIONS. THESE SYSTEMS 01:21:33.555 --> 01:21:35.056 SEND CONSTANT NUDGES TO ALTER 01:21:35.123 --> 01:21:36.091 WORKER BEHAVIOR AND PROVIDE 01:21:36.157 --> 01:21:37.459 DATA TO SUPERVISORS FOR 01:21:37.525 --> 01:21:38.927 CORRECTIVE MEASURES. WORKERS 01:21:38.994 --> 01:21:40.762 FACE RISKS OF BIAS, 01:21:40.829 --> 01:21:42.130 DISCRIMINATION AND ERROR, 01:21:42.197 --> 01:21:43.965 USUALLY WITHOUT KNOWING THEY'RE 01:21:44.032 --> 01:21:45.300 BEING MONITORED IN THIS WAY OR 01:21:45.367 --> 01:21:47.002 HOW THE ALGORITHMS ASSESS THEIR 01:21:47.068 --> 01:21:49.070 TONE, THEIR ACCENT, THEIR WORD 01:21:49.137 --> 01:21:50.805 CHOICE. THIS BILL PROHIBITS THE 01:21:50.872 --> 01:21:53.108 USE OF THE MOST UNRELIABLE AND 01:21:53.174 --> 01:21:53.975 POTENTIALLY DISCRIMINATORY 01:21:54.042 --> 01:21:55.844 TOOLS OF SURVEILLANCE, A MOTION 01:21:55.910 --> 01:21:56.945 RECOGNITION TOOLS AND 01:21:57.012 --> 01:21:58.113 SURVEILLANCE TOOLS THAT COLLECT 01:21:58.179 --> 01:22:00.148 NEURAL DATA. JOINING ME TO 01:22:00.215 --> 01:22:01.416 TESTIFY ARE YVONNE FERNANDEZ 01:22:01.483 --> 01:22:02.751 WITH THE CALIFORNIA LABOR 01:22:02.817 --> 01:22:05.287 FEDERATION, AND NICOLE PION, A 01:22:05.353 --> 01:22:06.221 TELESERVICE REPRESENTATIVE AT 01:22:06.288 --> 01:22:09.758 KAISER PERMANENTE. WELCOME. AND 01:22:09.824 --> 01:22:11.359 YOU'LL EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. 01:22:11.426 --> 01:22:12.727 HELLO, MR. CHAIR, AND MEMBERS 01:22:12.794 --> 01:22:13.728 OF THE COMMITTEE, YVONNE 01:22:13.795 --> 01:22:14.729 FERNANDEZ WITH THE CALIFORNIA 01:22:14.796 --> 01:22:15.764 FEDERATION OF LABOR UNIONS, A 01:22:15.830 --> 01:22:17.432 PROUD CO-SPONSOR OF AB 1883, 01:22:17.499 --> 01:22:18.700 THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY 01:22:18.767 --> 01:22:20.335 THAT EXISTS TODAY IN TODAY'S 01:22:20.402 --> 01:22:21.469 WORKPLACE IS CLEARLY MORE 01:22:21.536 --> 01:22:22.671 POWERFUL THAN EVER BEFORE. BUT 01:22:22.737 --> 01:22:24.406 THE PRINCIPLES GUIDING THE 01:22:24.472 --> 01:22:25.173 CREATION AND THE NEED FOR 01:22:25.240 --> 01:22:26.308 WORKER CENTERED GUARDRAILS 01:22:26.374 --> 01:22:27.876 REMAIN CONSISTENT, AND LABOR 01:22:27.942 --> 01:22:29.244 HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF 01:22:29.311 --> 01:22:30.412 MAKING WORKPLACES SAFER AND 01:22:30.478 --> 01:22:32.147 MORE HUMANE FOR DECADES. AND 01:22:32.213 --> 01:22:33.315 TODAY IS ABSOLUTELY NO 01:22:33.381 --> 01:22:34.783 DIFFERENT. THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER 01:22:34.849 --> 01:22:36.217 JUST DESCRIBED HOW EMOTION 01:22:36.284 --> 01:22:37.319 RECOGNITION METHODS ARE 01:22:37.385 --> 01:22:38.320 CONDUCTED ON CALL CENTER 01:22:38.386 --> 01:22:39.754 WORKERS AT METLIFE AND AT 01:22:39.821 --> 01:22:40.822 HUMANA, AND SHORTLY, MY 01:22:40.889 --> 01:22:42.257 COLLEAGUE WILL SHARE HER LIVED 01:22:42.324 --> 01:22:43.391 EXPERIENCES DEALING WITH THESE 01:22:43.458 --> 01:22:45.193 OFTEN INACCURATE TOOLS. BUT 01:22:45.260 --> 01:22:46.261 UNFORTUNATELY, THESE TOOLS DO 01:22:46.328 --> 01:22:47.595 EXIST OUTSIDE OF CALL CENTER 01:22:47.662 --> 01:22:49.064 WORKERS. DEVELOPERS SUCH AS 01:22:49.130 --> 01:22:51.633 MORPH CAST AND HUE AI SELL 01:22:51.700 --> 01:22:53.034 EMOTION RECOGNITION SOFTWARE 01:22:53.101 --> 01:22:54.369 PRODUCTS CAPABLE OF MONITORING 01:22:54.436 --> 01:22:56.004 ZOOM MEETINGS AND WORKER 01:22:56.071 --> 01:22:57.005 INTERACTIONS TO PROVIDE 01:22:57.072 --> 01:22:58.473 MANAGERS WITH A REAL TIME 01:22:58.540 --> 01:23:00.508 ANALYSIS OF WORKERS POSITIVITY 01:23:00.575 --> 01:23:01.710 OR EXCITEMENT THROUGHOUT THE 01:23:01.776 --> 01:23:03.578 DAY. AND NOT ONLY ARE THESE 01:23:03.645 --> 01:23:04.579 PRACTICES INVASIVE, BUT THEY 01:23:04.646 --> 01:23:06.381 ARE LIKELY TO DISCRIMINATE 01:23:06.448 --> 01:23:07.782 WORKERS WHO FAIL TO ARBITRATE, 01:23:07.849 --> 01:23:09.684 WHO FAIL TO MEET ARBITRARY AND 01:23:09.751 --> 01:23:11.052 POTENTIALLY RACIALLY BIASED 01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:12.520 COMMUNICATION STANDARDS. AND AS 01:23:12.587 --> 01:23:13.955 WE KNOW, THESE TOOLS ARE NOT 01:23:14.022 --> 01:23:15.824 FREE OF BIASES. YET EMPLOYERS 01:23:15.890 --> 01:23:17.125 STILL DEPLOY THEM IN WORKPLACES 01:23:17.192 --> 01:23:18.393 ACROSS THE STATE WITH A FALSE 01:23:18.460 --> 01:23:19.761 SENSE OF CONFIDENCE AND 01:23:19.828 --> 01:23:21.529 PERCEIVED ACCURACY. IN ADDITION 01:23:21.596 --> 01:23:22.931 TO MONITORING WORKER EMOTIONS, 01:23:22.997 --> 01:23:24.766 EMPLOYERS ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO 01:23:24.833 --> 01:23:26.468 TOOLS THAT PURPORTEDLY ARE 01:23:26.534 --> 01:23:27.702 CAPABLE OF ANALYZING NEURAL 01:23:27.769 --> 01:23:29.371 DATA TO DETERMINE IF A WORKER 01:23:29.437 --> 01:23:30.605 IS TIRED, CONCENTRATING, OR IF 01:23:30.672 --> 01:23:32.073 THEY'RE STRESSED. DEVELOPERS 01:23:32.140 --> 01:23:33.408 LIKE EMOTIV SELL HARDWARE TO 01:23:33.475 --> 01:23:34.809 ALLOW EMPLOYERS TO UNDERSTAND 01:23:34.876 --> 01:23:36.277 WORKER'S TRUE MENTAL AND 01:23:36.344 --> 01:23:37.679 COGNITIVE STATE, ALL FOR THE 01:23:37.746 --> 01:23:39.547 PURPOSES OF IMPROVING ROI AND 01:23:39.614 --> 01:23:40.582 SUPPOSEDLY IMPROVING AND 01:23:40.648 --> 01:23:42.083 SUPPORTING WORKER MORALE. THESE 01:23:42.150 --> 01:23:43.485 SURVEILLANCE METHODS RELY ON 01:23:43.551 --> 01:23:44.586 QUESTIONABLE TOOLS TO MAKE BOLD 01:23:44.652 --> 01:23:45.987 CLAIMS OF A PERSON'S MENTAL 01:23:46.054 --> 01:23:47.489 STATE, AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF AN 01:23:47.555 --> 01:23:49.190 INACCURATE READING IS VERY HIGH. 01:23:49.257 --> 01:23:50.291 YET DESPITE THESE QUESTIONABLE 01:23:50.358 --> 01:23:51.693 OUTCOMES, WORKERS ARE STILL 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:52.394 SUSCEPTIBLE TO EMPLOYERS 01:23:52.460 --> 01:23:54.062 CLAIMING THEY CAN UNDERSTAND 01:23:54.129 --> 01:23:55.296 THEIR EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL 01:23:55.363 --> 01:23:56.765 STATE. WITH RECENT AMENDMENTS, 01:23:56.831 --> 01:23:58.433 AB 1883 PROHIBITS EMPLOYERS 01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:00.034 FROM USING THESE AI POWERED 01:24:00.101 --> 01:24:02.504 TOOLS. AB 1883 DOES NOT PREVENT 01:24:02.570 --> 01:24:03.972 EMPLOYERS FROM USING ACTUAL 01:24:04.038 --> 01:24:04.839 SURVEILLANCE METHODS AND TOOLS 01:24:04.906 --> 01:24:06.841 FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, TOOLS THAT 01:24:06.908 --> 01:24:08.243 PROVIDE INTERPRETATIONS OF 01:24:08.309 --> 01:24:09.444 WORKERS AND EMOTIONAL STATE 01:24:09.511 --> 01:24:10.812 DOES NOT CREATE A SAFE WORKING 01:24:10.879 --> 01:24:11.880 ENVIRONMENT. IT CREATES AN 01:24:11.946 --> 01:24:12.947 INVASIVE AND DYSTOPIAN 01:24:13.014 --> 01:24:13.948 WORKPLACE. AND FOR THESE 01:24:14.015 --> 01:24:14.949 REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY URGE 01:24:15.016 --> 01:24:16.151 YOUR VOTE AT THE APPROPRIATE 01:24:16.217 --> 01:24:19.120 TIME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND 01:24:19.187 --> 01:24:21.656 WELCOME. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS 01:24:21.723 --> 01:24:23.291 NICOLE AND I'M A FULL TIME TÊ 01:24:23.358 --> 01:24:25.627 SR, TELE SERVICE CARE TEAM 01:24:25.693 --> 01:24:27.028 REPRESENTATIVE AT KAISER 01:24:27.095 --> 01:24:29.631 PERMANENTE Ã ADVICE AND CARE 01:24:29.697 --> 01:24:31.332 CENTER IN SACRAMENTO. AND I 01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:32.901 HAVE BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS. 01:24:32.967 --> 01:24:34.269 I'M HERE TODAY TO TESTIFY IN 01:24:34.335 --> 01:24:37.038 SUPPORT OF AB 1883. MY 01:24:37.105 --> 01:24:39.207 COLLEAGUES AND I ARE ONE OF THE 01:24:39.274 --> 01:24:40.942 THE FIRST CRITICAL LINE LINKS 01:24:41.009 --> 01:24:41.976 BETWEEN PATIENTS AND MEDICAL 01:24:42.043 --> 01:24:43.711 CARE SYSTEMS. OUR NUMBER ONE 01:24:43.778 --> 01:24:45.547 TOP PRIORITY IS HIGH QUALITY 01:24:45.613 --> 01:24:47.382 PATIENT CARE FOR ALL. WE 01:24:47.449 --> 01:24:49.117 PROMOTE ACCESS TO CARE IN 01:24:49.184 --> 01:24:50.251 EVERYTHING WE DO, WHICH IS 01:24:50.318 --> 01:24:51.586 ESSENTIAL AND CRITICAL TO 01:24:51.653 --> 01:24:53.354 PREVENTIVE CARE AND EARLY 01:24:53.421 --> 01:24:55.123 DETECTION, CHRONIC DISEASE 01:24:55.190 --> 01:24:56.691 MANAGEMENT AND PROMOTING 01:24:56.758 --> 01:24:59.494 OVERALL HEALTH. WE AS A WHOLE, 01:24:59.561 --> 01:25:01.329 AS TSR, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. 01:25:01.396 --> 01:25:03.097 KAISER'S RECENTLY RELEASED A 01:25:03.164 --> 01:25:05.300 MOTION RECOGNITION SOFTWARE 01:25:05.366 --> 01:25:06.801 THAT IS DESIGNED TO HELP AGENTS 01:25:06.868 --> 01:25:09.304 AS MYSELF IDENTIFY AREAS FOR 01:25:09.370 --> 01:25:10.672 IMPROVEMENT WITH EMPATHY AND 01:25:10.738 --> 01:25:12.140 SYMPATHY IN WHICH YOU ARE 01:25:12.207 --> 01:25:14.342 SCORED ON EACH AND EVERY CALL. 01:25:14.409 --> 01:25:15.643 IT'S A CLEAR BARRIER TO THE 01:25:15.710 --> 01:25:17.378 HIGH QUALITY OF PATIENT CARE 01:25:17.445 --> 01:25:19.747 THAT WE PROVIDE. IN MY 01:25:19.814 --> 01:25:21.082 EXPERIENCE, I HAVE NATURALLY A 01:25:21.149 --> 01:25:22.517 NATURALLY HOARSE VOICE MY 01:25:22.584 --> 01:25:24.085 ENTIRE LIFE, AS I'M SURE YOU 01:25:24.152 --> 01:25:26.488 GUYS CAN TELL ME. SPEAKING NOW. 01:25:26.554 --> 01:25:28.723 I PROVIDE TOP NOTCH CARE AND 01:25:28.790 --> 01:25:30.158 HAVE A GREAT RAPPORT WITH 01:25:30.225 --> 01:25:31.559 PATIENTS, BUT THE SOFTWARE 01:25:31.626 --> 01:25:33.061 CONTINUOUSLY RESPONDS TO MY 01:25:33.127 --> 01:25:34.462 VOICE TONE BY TELLING ME THAT I 01:25:34.529 --> 01:25:37.031 LACK EMOTIONAL EMPATHY AND GIVE 01:25:37.098 --> 01:25:38.099 SUGGESTIONS ON HOW I CAN 01:25:38.166 --> 01:25:39.200 CORRECT IT. THROUGHOUT THE CALL 01:25:39.267 --> 01:25:41.769 WITH POP UP POP UPS. I FEEL IT 01:25:41.836 --> 01:25:43.805 IS VERY DISCRIMINATORY, BUT IT 01:25:43.872 --> 01:25:46.040 ALSO SEEMS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO 01:25:46.107 --> 01:25:47.442 AVERT THE REAL TIME FEEDBACK 01:25:47.509 --> 01:25:49.911 FROM AN AI PROGRAM. I KNOW I 01:25:49.978 --> 01:25:52.213 PROVIDE SUPERB CARE TO EVERY 01:25:52.280 --> 01:25:54.282 PATIENT. THIS MAKES IT SO 01:25:54.349 --> 01:25:55.316 FRUSTRATING, NOT TO MENTION 01:25:55.383 --> 01:25:56.751 VERY DISTRACTING WHEN YOU ARE 01:25:56.818 --> 01:25:58.586 ON WITH THE MEMBER AND 01:25:58.653 --> 01:25:59.687 DISTRACTED, THAT YOU CAN MISS 01:25:59.754 --> 01:26:01.422 PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT THEY 01:26:01.489 --> 01:26:02.924 GIVE TO YOU THAT CAN ULTIMATELY 01:26:02.991 --> 01:26:05.126 CAUSE A DELAY IN CARE. IMAGINE 01:26:05.193 --> 01:26:06.995 IF THAT WAS YOUR LOVED ONE, OR 01:26:07.061 --> 01:26:13.268 IF THAT WAS YOURSELF. IT IS SO 01:26:13.334 --> 01:26:14.302 DISHEARTENING, THE FACT THAT 01:26:14.369 --> 01:26:16.271 I'M BEING JUDGED BY ARTIFICIAL 01:26:16.337 --> 01:26:17.272 INTELLIGENCE FOR SOMETHING 01:26:17.338 --> 01:26:19.407 BEYOND MY CONTROL, MY NATURAL 01:26:19.474 --> 01:26:22.010 BORN VOICE SINCE A CHILD. 01:26:22.076 --> 01:26:23.311 EMOTION RECOGNITION SOFTWARE 01:26:23.378 --> 01:26:25.013 DOES NOT SERVE CALIFORNIA'S 01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:26.648 HEALTH CARE NEEDS. IT IS A 01:26:26.714 --> 01:26:29.117 CLEAR BARRIER TO HIGH QUALITY 01:26:29.183 --> 01:26:30.952 PATIENT CARE, AND IT'S 01:26:31.019 --> 01:26:32.420 DESTRUCTIVE TO THE WORK 01:26:32.487 --> 01:26:35.056 ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. THANK 01:26:35.123 --> 01:26:36.691 YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. 01:26:36.758 --> 01:26:38.459 ARE THERE OTHER WITNESSES WHO 01:26:38.526 --> 01:26:40.361 WISH TO REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT 01:26:40.428 --> 01:26:42.797 FOR THE BILL? SO PLEASE COME TO 01:26:42.864 --> 01:26:44.365 THE STAND UP MIC AND SHARE WITH 01:26:44.432 --> 01:26:45.800 US YOUR NAME, YOUR AFFILIATION, 01:26:45.867 --> 01:26:48.202 IF ANY, NOT YOUR LOBBYING FIRM 01:26:48.269 --> 01:26:49.337 AND WHAT YOUR POSITION ON THE 01:26:49.404 --> 01:26:51.139 BILL IS. THANK YOU. MITCH 01:26:51.205 --> 01:26:52.540 STEIGER WITH Kò OF TÊ, A UNION 01:26:52.607 --> 01:26:53.675 OF EDUCATORS AND CLASSIFIED 01:26:53.741 --> 01:26:54.676 PROFESSIONALS AND STRONG 01:26:54.742 --> 01:26:59.013 SUPPORT. NAVNI PARIHAR ON 01:26:59.080 --> 01:27:00.548 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL 01:27:00.615 --> 01:27:01.950 EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION AND 01:27:02.016 --> 01:27:04.118 SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR 01:27:04.185 --> 01:27:05.520 AND MEMBERS ON BEHALF OF 01:27:05.587 --> 01:27:06.588 TEAMSTERS CALIFORNIA. PROUD 01:27:06.654 --> 01:27:07.755 CO-SPONSOR OF THE BILL, AS WELL 01:27:07.822 --> 01:27:10.224 AS HEARING ON BEHALF OF THE 01:27:10.291 --> 01:27:11.225 ENGINEERS AND SCIENTISTS OF 01:27:11.292 --> 01:27:12.226 CALIFORNIA UNITE HERE, THE 01:27:12.293 --> 01:27:13.394 UTILITY WORKERS UNION OF 01:27:13.461 --> 01:27:14.729 AMERICA, CALIFORNIA CONFERENCE 01:27:14.796 --> 01:27:17.031 BOARD OF MACHINISTS AND THE 01:27:17.098 --> 01:27:19.634 AMALGAMATED TRANSIT UNION. ALL 01:27:19.701 --> 01:27:24.272 IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. FULLER 01:27:24.339 --> 01:27:26.007 EXPRESSING SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF 01:27:26.074 --> 01:27:33.214 TECH EQUITY ACTION. THANK YOU. 01:27:33.281 --> 01:27:35.450 GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS, 01:27:35.516 --> 01:27:36.651 TRACY ROSENBERG EXPRESSING 01:27:36.718 --> 01:27:38.286 SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF OAKLAND 01:27:38.353 --> 01:27:43.791 PRIVACY. GOOD MORNING, MR. 01:27:43.858 --> 01:27:45.059 CHAIR. MEMBERS JANICE O'MALLEY 01:27:45.126 --> 01:27:46.594 WITH CALIFORNIA AND STRONG 01:27:46.661 --> 01:27:51.733 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. I SUPPORT 01:27:51.799 --> 01:27:52.867 ON BEHALF OF THE ELECTRONIC 01:27:52.934 --> 01:27:53.735 FRONTIER FOUNDATION AND THE 01:27:53.801 --> 01:27:58.139 PRIVACY RIGHTS COALITION. MR. 01:27:58.206 --> 01:27:59.707 CHAIR AND MEMBERS, BRANDON CHU 01:27:59.774 --> 01:28:01.743 ON BEHALF OF SEIU CALIFORNIA IN 01:28:01.809 --> 01:28:05.246 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD 01:28:05.313 --> 01:28:07.015 MORNING. ERIC PAREDES WITH THE 01:28:07.081 --> 01:28:08.316 CALIFORNIA FACULTY ASSOCIATION 01:28:08.383 --> 01:28:11.719 AND SUPPORT. GOOD MORNING, MR. 01:28:11.786 --> 01:28:13.021 CHAIR AND SENATORS, ON BEHALF 01:28:13.087 --> 01:28:14.622 OF THE CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL 01:28:14.689 --> 01:28:15.757 FIREFIGHTERS AND THE OMIDYAR 01:28:15.823 --> 01:28:18.493 NETWORK AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 01:28:18.559 --> 01:28:19.994 GOOD MORNING. MEMBERS. CARMEN 01:28:20.061 --> 01:28:21.429 BALBER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF 01:28:21.496 --> 01:28:26.601 CONSUMER WATCHDOG. IN SUPPORT. 01:28:26.668 --> 01:28:29.003 AND ANYONE ELSE IN SUPPORT. 01:28:29.070 --> 01:28:31.205 WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. WE 01:28:31.272 --> 01:28:32.640 HAVE SPACE FOR TWO LEAD 01:28:32.707 --> 01:28:36.911 WITNESSES AT THE WITNESS TABLE. 01:28:36.978 --> 01:28:38.212 WELCOME. AND YOU. EACH WILL 01:28:38.279 --> 01:28:44.686 HAVE TWO MINUTES. GOOD MORNING. 01:28:44.752 --> 01:28:45.953 I'M ANDREA LYNCH ON BEHALF OF 01:28:46.020 --> 01:28:47.121 THE CALIFORNIA CHAMBER OF 01:28:47.188 --> 01:28:48.156 COMMERCE AND RESPECTFUL 01:28:48.222 --> 01:28:50.358 OPPOSITION TO AB 1883. WHILE WE 01:28:50.425 --> 01:28:51.859 APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR TAKING 01:28:51.926 --> 01:28:52.894 AMENDMENTS, THERE ARE STILL 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:53.895 CONSIDERABLE CONCERNS WITH THE 01:28:53.961 --> 01:28:55.863 BILL. I WANT TO RAISE THREE 01:28:55.930 --> 01:28:57.598 SPECIFIC PROBLEMS WITH THE BILL. 01:28:57.665 --> 01:28:59.500 FIRST, AB 1883 DEFINES WORKER 01:28:59.567 --> 01:29:01.602 TO INCLUDE INDEPENDENT 01:29:01.669 --> 01:29:02.970 CONTRACTORS. I WANT TO AGAIN 01:29:03.037 --> 01:29:04.372 REEMPHASIZE THAT INDEPENDENT 01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:05.840 CONTRACTORS ARE NOT EMPLOYEES. 01:29:05.907 --> 01:29:06.974 THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE 01:29:07.041 --> 01:29:08.009 EMPLOYER'S WORKFORCE. IN A WAY, 01:29:08.076 --> 01:29:09.811 THIS BILL ASSUMES. AND APPLYING 01:29:09.877 --> 01:29:11.546 AN EMPLOYEE STYLE SURVEILLANCE 01:29:11.612 --> 01:29:13.014 RESTRICTIONS TO A CONTRACTUAL 01:29:13.081 --> 01:29:14.048 ARM'S LENGTH BUSINESS 01:29:14.115 --> 01:29:15.950 RELATIONSHIP CREATES CONFUSION. 01:29:16.017 --> 01:29:17.285 CONFUSION ABOUT WHO OWES WHAT 01:29:17.351 --> 01:29:19.020 DUTY TO WHOM. THIS REWRITES THE 01:29:19.087 --> 01:29:20.988 TERMS OF PRIVATE CONTRACTS. THE 01:29:21.055 --> 01:29:22.090 LEGISLATURE WAS NEVER A PARTY 01:29:22.156 --> 01:29:23.791 TO RELATIONSHIPS. PARTIES 01:29:23.858 --> 01:29:25.960 FREELY ENTERED INTO AND FREELY 01:29:26.027 --> 01:29:27.729 NEGOTIATED. SECOND, THE BILL 01:29:27.795 --> 01:29:29.197 INCLUDES A PRIVATE RIGHT OF 01:29:29.263 --> 01:29:30.631 ACTION. THAT MEANS IT'S NOT 01:29:30.698 --> 01:29:32.433 REGULATORS MAKING CASE BY CASE 01:29:32.500 --> 01:29:33.501 JUDGMENT CALLS, IT'S 01:29:33.568 --> 01:29:34.569 PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEYS AND 01:29:34.635 --> 01:29:36.037 POSSIBLY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 01:29:36.104 --> 01:29:38.172 CASES DECIDING WHAT COUNTS AS A 01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:39.240 VIOLATION. COMBINED WITH THE 01:29:39.307 --> 01:29:40.675 BILL'S VAGUE DEFINITIONS, THAT 01:29:40.742 --> 01:29:42.477 IS A RECIPE FOR COSTLY, 01:29:42.543 --> 01:29:44.278 UNPREDICTABLE LITIGATION 01:29:44.345 --> 01:29:45.279 NONCOMPLIANCE, PARTICULARLY FOR 01:29:45.346 --> 01:29:47.515 SMALL BUSINESSES. THIRD, 01:29:47.582 --> 01:29:48.616 CONSIDER WHAT THIS BILL 01:29:48.683 --> 01:29:50.418 ACTUALLY BANS IN PRACTICE. 01:29:50.485 --> 01:29:52.920 UNDER SB 553 EMPLOYERS ARE 01:29:52.987 --> 01:29:53.988 REQUIRED TO HAVE EFFECTIVE 01:29:54.055 --> 01:29:55.423 MEANS TO ALERT EMPLOYEES TO A 01:29:55.490 --> 01:29:56.958 THREAT IN REAL TIME FOR 01:29:57.024 --> 01:29:58.326 WORKPLACE VIOLENCE PREVENTION 01:29:58.392 --> 01:30:00.528 PLANS, MANY USE AI ENABLED 01:30:00.595 --> 01:30:01.996 SECURITY SYSTEMS THAT DETECT 01:30:02.063 --> 01:30:04.432 RAISED VOICES, DISTRESS, 01:30:04.499 --> 01:30:05.533 ESCALATING AGGRESSION AND 01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:07.001 FACIAL RECOGNITION, AND 01:30:07.068 --> 01:30:08.369 WORKPLACES OR PARKING LOTS IN 01:30:08.436 --> 01:30:09.837 ORDER TO TRIGGER AN ALERT 01:30:09.904 --> 01:30:11.739 BEFORE A SITUATION TURNS 01:30:11.806 --> 01:30:13.107 VIOLENT. THIS IS PRECISELY THE 01:30:13.174 --> 01:30:15.676 KIND OF EMOTIONAL INFERENCE AB 01:30:15.743 --> 01:30:17.111 1883 PROHIBITS. THIS BILL WOULD 01:30:17.178 --> 01:30:19.280 BAN THE EXACT SAFETY MECHANISMS. 01:30:19.347 --> 01:30:22.483 SB 553 REQUIRES EMPLOYERS TO 01:30:22.550 --> 01:30:23.584 HAVE. FOR THESE AND OTHER 01:30:23.651 --> 01:30:26.888 REASONS, WE URGE A NO VOTE. BY 01:30:26.954 --> 01:30:28.222 CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE 01:30:28.289 --> 01:30:29.223 COMMITTEE. I'M JAKE PARKER WITH 01:30:29.290 --> 01:30:30.792 THE SECURITY INDUSTRY 01:30:30.858 --> 01:30:31.492 ASSOCIATION. OUR MEMBERS 01:30:31.559 --> 01:30:32.693 INCLUDE MORE THAN 200 COMPANIES 01:30:32.760 --> 01:30:33.761 BASED IN CALIFORNIA PROVIDE 01:30:33.828 --> 01:30:35.429 SAFETY AND SECURITY PRODUCTS IN 01:30:35.496 --> 01:30:36.531 WORKPLACES THROUGHOUT THE STATE, 01:30:36.597 --> 01:30:37.899 LIKE SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, 01:30:37.965 --> 01:30:40.101 TRANSIT FACILITIES AND OTHERS. 01:30:40.168 --> 01:30:41.502 WE APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENTS 01:30:41.569 --> 01:30:42.970 MADE SO FAR INTENDED TO 01:30:43.037 --> 01:30:43.905 CONTINUE ALLOW TECHNOLOGIES TO 01:30:43.971 --> 01:30:45.406 BE USED FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. 01:30:45.473 --> 01:30:46.641 BUT EVEN WITH THE LATEST 01:30:46.707 --> 01:30:47.975 AMENDMENT, IT'S STILL OUTRIGHT 01:30:48.042 --> 01:30:50.211 BAN CERTAIN TECHNOLOGIES. WHILE 01:30:50.278 --> 01:30:51.279 THE LANGUAGE ALSO SUGGESTS 01:30:51.345 --> 01:30:52.380 THERE ARE CERTAIN SAFETY 01:30:52.446 --> 01:30:53.414 TECHNOLOGIES THAT DO NOT 01:30:53.481 --> 01:30:55.183 QUALIFY FOR THE EXCEPTION, THIS 01:30:55.249 --> 01:30:56.250 REALLY JUST DEFEATS THE PURPOSE 01:30:56.317 --> 01:30:58.419 OF IT. SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE 01:30:58.486 --> 01:31:00.221 CONCERNED THAT THE WITH THE 01:31:00.288 --> 01:31:01.722 BREADTH OF THE BAN ON 01:31:01.789 --> 01:31:02.824 TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES 01:31:02.890 --> 01:31:03.424 INFERENCES ABOUT AN 01:31:03.491 --> 01:31:04.892 INDIVIDUAL'S EMOTIONAL STATE, 01:31:04.959 --> 01:31:06.294 THAT THIS COULD ENCOMPASS AI 01:31:06.360 --> 01:31:07.428 DRIVEN WORKPLACE SAFETY 01:31:07.495 --> 01:31:08.496 TECHNOLOGIES ARE WIDELY 01:31:08.563 --> 01:31:10.331 DEPLOYED. MODERN SECURITY 01:31:10.398 --> 01:31:11.432 SYSTEMS INCLUDE SMART SENSORS 01:31:11.499 --> 01:31:12.500 AND VIDEO FEATURES THAT CAN 01:31:12.567 --> 01:31:14.135 PROVIDE ALERTS TO STAFF WHEN A 01:31:14.202 --> 01:31:15.102 POTENTIAL EMERGENCY SITUATION 01:31:15.169 --> 01:31:17.538 IS HAPPENING. THIS ALLOWS 01:31:17.605 --> 01:31:19.273 PROACTIVE RESPONSES VERSUS JUST 01:31:19.340 --> 01:31:21.142 SIMPLY RECORDING VIDEO. HERE 01:31:21.209 --> 01:31:22.143 ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS 01:31:22.210 --> 01:31:23.377 THAT COULD BE CONFIGURED TO 01:31:23.444 --> 01:31:25.446 TRIGGER ALERTS. DISTRESS 01:31:25.513 --> 01:31:26.447 DISTRESS CALL FOR HELP, 01:31:26.514 --> 01:31:27.615 ESPECIALLY UNATTENDED AREA LIKE 01:31:27.682 --> 01:31:29.116 A PARKING GARAGE OR COLLEGE 01:31:29.183 --> 01:31:31.552 CAMPUS. AGGRESSION AGAINST 01:31:31.619 --> 01:31:32.687 NURSING STAFF IN A HOSPITAL 01:31:32.753 --> 01:31:34.222 ROOM, PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST 01:31:34.288 --> 01:31:36.057 AN EMPLOYEE, A FIGHT STARTING 01:31:36.123 --> 01:31:38.359 IN A SCHOOL HALLWAY AND ALSO 01:31:38.426 --> 01:31:39.427 DETECTING VISUAL SIGNS OF 01:31:39.493 --> 01:31:40.561 MEDICAL DISTRESS LIKE HEAT 01:31:40.628 --> 01:31:43.464 EXHAUSTION OR FALLS. EVEN 01:31:43.531 --> 01:31:44.465 THOUGH THESE TECHNOLOGIES MAY 01:31:44.532 --> 01:31:46.300 BE CONSIDERED TO DETECT 01:31:46.367 --> 01:31:47.368 EMOTIONAL INDICATORS, THERE IS 01:31:47.435 --> 01:31:49.003 A VERY CLEAR AND IMPORTANT 01:31:49.070 --> 01:31:50.538 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE THAT 01:31:50.605 --> 01:31:51.672 ARE DESIGNED SOLELY FOR SAFETY 01:31:51.739 --> 01:31:53.341 AND SECURITY PURPOSES, AND USED 01:31:53.407 --> 01:31:55.343 IN AREAS WHERE WORKERS ARE 01:31:55.409 --> 01:31:56.744 COMBINED WITH EMPLOYEES OR 01:31:56.811 --> 01:31:57.812 OTHERS. YOU CAN'T REALLY 01:31:57.879 --> 01:31:59.347 SEPARATE THEM VERSUS OTHERS 01:31:59.413 --> 01:32:00.414 THAT MIGHT MEASURE INDICATORS 01:32:00.481 --> 01:32:03.117 OF PERFORMANCE. INDIVIDUAL 01:32:03.184 --> 01:32:04.886 EMPLOYEES AT THEIR OUTPUT, IN 01:32:04.952 --> 01:32:07.421 GENERAL DISPOSITION, ALL THE 01:32:07.488 --> 01:32:09.590 THINGS THE PROPONENTS HAVE 01:32:09.657 --> 01:32:11.759 MENTIONED CONCERNS ABOUT. SO WE 01:32:11.826 --> 01:32:12.860 APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION OF 01:32:12.927 --> 01:32:14.595 THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY TOOLS. 01:32:14.662 --> 01:32:15.663 HOWEVER, THE BILL MUST BE 01:32:15.730 --> 01:32:16.731 CLARIFIED TO ENSURE THAT NO 01:32:16.797 --> 01:32:18.532 TOOLS ADDRESSING WORKPLACE 01:32:18.599 --> 01:32:20.034 SAFETY ISSUES ARE PREVENTING 01:32:20.101 --> 01:32:21.435 WORKPLACE VIOLENCE ARE 01:32:21.502 --> 01:32:23.137 PROHIBITED. THIS WAY, YOU COULD 01:32:23.204 --> 01:32:25.840 ACTUALLY ADDRESS THIS EXCEPTION 01:32:25.907 --> 01:32:27.942 AND FIX THIS ISSUE WITHOUT 01:32:28.009 --> 01:32:28.809 CHANGING ANY OF THE STATED 01:32:28.876 --> 01:32:30.845 INTENT OF THE BILL IN ANY WAY. 01:32:30.912 --> 01:32:32.313 WE URGE YOU NOT TO ADVANCE THE 01:32:32.380 --> 01:32:33.381 BILL UNLESS THOSE ISSUES ARE 01:32:33.447 --> 01:32:36.584 ADDRESSED. THANK YOU TO YOU. 01:32:36.651 --> 01:32:38.786 BOTH. OUR WITNESSES WISHING TO 01:32:38.853 --> 01:32:39.787 REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION TO 01:32:39.854 --> 01:32:41.255 THE BILL. GOOD MORNING, MR. 01:32:41.322 --> 01:32:42.390 CHAIR. CHRIS MICHELI HERE ON 01:32:42.456 --> 01:32:43.958 BEHALF OF THE CIVIL JUSTICE 01:32:44.025 --> 01:32:45.192 ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA SEA 01:32:45.259 --> 01:32:46.627 JACK IS RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED 01:32:46.694 --> 01:32:47.795 UNLESS AMENDED. THANK YOU, MR. 01:32:47.862 --> 01:32:51.699 CHAIR. JIM LIGHTS. ON BEHALF OF 01:32:51.766 --> 01:32:53.401 THE CALIFORNIA AIRPORTS COUNCIL, 01:32:53.467 --> 01:32:54.902 WE ARE ALSO OPPOSED UNLESS 01:32:54.969 --> 01:32:58.906 AMENDED. GOOD MORNING, BETSY 01:32:58.973 --> 01:32:59.974 ARMSTRONG, ON BEHALF OF THE 01:33:00.041 --> 01:33:01.409 COUNTY HEALTH EXECUTIVES 01:33:01.475 --> 01:33:02.877 ASSOCIATION AND RESPECTFUL 01:33:02.944 --> 01:33:06.480 OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING. ON 01:33:06.547 --> 01:33:07.915 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 01:33:07.982 --> 01:33:08.983 ASSOCIATIONS OF RECREATION 01:33:09.050 --> 01:33:10.017 PARKS DISTRICT AND CITY OF SAN 01:33:10.084 --> 01:33:14.855 MARCOS AND OPPOSITION. GOOD 01:33:14.922 --> 01:33:15.623 MORNING OR EARLY AFTERNOON 01:33:15.690 --> 01:33:17.224 CHAIR AND MEMBERS, MELISSA, 01:33:17.291 --> 01:33:18.793 WITH WESTERN GROWERS, AND WE 01:33:18.859 --> 01:33:19.894 ALIGN OUR COMMENTS WITH THOSE 01:33:19.961 --> 01:33:21.629 PROVIDED BY CAL CHAMBER IN 01:33:21.696 --> 01:33:22.663 OPPOSITION. LOOKING FORWARD TO 01:33:22.730 --> 01:33:23.965 SEEING HOW THOSE AMENDS SHAPE 01:33:24.031 --> 01:33:26.701 UP. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, 01:33:26.767 --> 01:33:27.635 MR. CHAIR. MATT ROBINSON, ON 01:33:27.702 --> 01:33:29.303 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA MOVING 01:33:29.370 --> 01:33:30.304 AND STORAGE ASSOCIATION, AS 01:33:30.371 --> 01:33:31.672 WELL AS THE CALIFORNIA TRANSIT 01:33:31.739 --> 01:33:33.140 ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION, AND 01:33:33.207 --> 01:33:34.575 LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING OUR 01:33:34.642 --> 01:33:35.576 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AUTHOR 01:33:35.643 --> 01:33:37.778 AND SPONSORS. GOOD MORNING, 01:33:37.845 --> 01:33:38.879 CHAIR MEMBERS, ROBERT MOYAMOYA 01:33:38.946 --> 01:33:41.749 TECHNET IN OPPOSITION. GOOD 01:33:41.816 --> 01:33:42.817 MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS. 01:33:42.883 --> 01:33:43.951 ERIC LARA ON BEHALF OF THE 01:33:44.018 --> 01:33:45.019 CALIFORNIA STATE ASSOCIATION OF 01:33:45.086 --> 01:33:46.087 COUNTIES CURRENTLY OPPOSED. 01:33:46.153 --> 01:33:47.254 APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENTS BY 01:33:47.321 --> 01:33:48.589 AUTHOR AND SPONSOR AND CONTINUE 01:33:48.656 --> 01:33:50.858 TO LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU. GENE 01:33:50.925 --> 01:33:52.026 HURST HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF 01:33:52.093 --> 01:33:53.060 THE URBAN COUNTIES OF 01:33:53.127 --> 01:33:55.096 CALIFORNIA, I'D LIKE TO ALIGN 01:33:55.162 --> 01:33:56.263 MY COMMENTS WITH MY COLLEAGUE 01:33:56.330 --> 01:33:57.331 AT CSAC, SARAH DUQUETTE, ON 01:33:57.398 --> 01:33:59.400 BEHALF OF THE RURAL COUNTY 01:33:59.467 --> 01:34:00.368 REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA. 01:34:00.434 --> 01:34:02.303 MY COMMENTS WITH CSAC. GOOD 01:34:02.370 --> 01:34:03.704 MORNING, CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE 01:34:03.771 --> 01:34:04.772 CALIFORNIA RETAILERS 01:34:04.839 --> 01:34:06.640 ASSOCIATION. IN RESPECTFUL 01:34:06.707 --> 01:34:08.743 OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING, MR. 01:34:08.809 --> 01:34:10.144 CHAIR DILLON HOFFMAN, ON BEHALF 01:34:10.211 --> 01:34:11.345 OF PRISM AND THE COUNTIES OF 01:34:11.412 --> 01:34:14.148 KERN AND FRESNO IN OPPOSITION. 01:34:14.215 --> 01:34:15.216 GOOD MORNING. MATT EASLEY ON 01:34:15.282 --> 01:34:16.350 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 01:34:16.417 --> 01:34:17.351 CHAPTERS OF THE ASSOCIATED 01:34:17.418 --> 01:34:18.152 GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND 01:34:18.219 --> 01:34:20.554 OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD 01:34:20.621 --> 01:34:22.123 MORNING. OPHELIA SEGHETTI WITH 01:34:22.189 --> 01:34:23.124 THE CALIFORNIA SPECIAL 01:34:23.190 --> 01:34:25.326 DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION IN 01:34:25.393 --> 01:34:26.827 OPPOSITION AND RESPECTFUL 01:34:26.894 --> 01:34:27.862 OPPOSITION. AND I'VE ALSO BEEN 01:34:27.928 --> 01:34:29.263 ASKED TO REGISTER AN OPPOSITION 01:34:29.330 --> 01:34:31.766 ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 01:34:31.832 --> 01:34:32.733 ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.770 SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS. GOOD 01:34:35.836 --> 01:34:37.271 MORNING, CHAIR MEMBERS, NAOMI, 01:34:37.338 --> 01:34:38.672 ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 01:34:38.739 --> 01:34:40.107 MANUFACTURERS AND TECHNOLOGY 01:34:40.174 --> 01:34:41.242 ASSOCIATION AND ALSO ON BEHALF 01:34:41.308 --> 01:34:42.443 OF THE SELF STORAGE ASSOCIATION 01:34:42.510 --> 01:34:43.744 AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. 01:34:43.811 --> 01:34:46.380 THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. SHERRY 01:34:46.447 --> 01:34:47.681 MCCUE, REPRESENTING CALIFORNIA 01:34:47.748 --> 01:34:48.816 CREDIT UNIONS, RESPECTFULLY 01:34:48.883 --> 01:34:51.352 OPPOSE THE BILL. THANK YOU, MR. 01:34:51.419 --> 01:34:52.853 CHAIR. AND MEMBERS. DON GILBERT, 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:54.555 ON BEHALF OF SAN FRANCISCO 01:34:54.622 --> 01:34:55.956 INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, OPPOSED 01:34:56.023 --> 01:34:57.792 UNLESS AMENDED TO EXCLUDE 01:34:57.858 --> 01:35:00.294 COMMERCIAL AIRPORTS. THANKS, 01:35:00.361 --> 01:35:01.729 MEGAN. ON BEHALF OF THE 01:35:01.796 --> 01:35:02.797 CALIFORNIA DISTRIBUTORS 01:35:02.863 --> 01:35:05.633 ASSOCIATION AND OPPOSITION. 01:35:05.699 --> 01:35:06.834 GOOD MORNING. MICHEL GILL ON 01:35:06.901 --> 01:35:07.868 BEHALF OF CALIFORNIA 01:35:07.935 --> 01:35:08.936 ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL BUSINESS 01:35:09.003 --> 01:35:10.037 OFFICIALS. WE APPRECIATE THE 01:35:10.104 --> 01:35:11.038 AMENDMENTS. WE'LL BE REVIEWING 01:35:11.105 --> 01:35:12.173 IT, BUT CURRENTLY OPPOSED. 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:14.508 THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MARK 01:35:14.575 --> 01:35:15.709 FAROOQ, ON BEHALF OF THE 01:35:15.776 --> 01:35:16.677 CALIFORNIA HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION 01:35:16.744 --> 01:35:19.880 IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD 01:35:19.947 --> 01:35:20.881 MORNING, CHAIR MEMBERS. 01:35:20.948 --> 01:35:22.249 APOLOGIES, I MISSED THE SUPPORT 01:35:22.316 --> 01:35:22.950 TESTIMONY. JUST WANTED TO 01:35:23.017 --> 01:35:23.984 REGISTER THE SUPPORT FROM 01:35:24.051 --> 01:35:25.619 CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION 01:35:25.686 --> 01:35:26.754 IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK 01:35:26.821 --> 01:35:31.325 YOU. SEEING NO FURTHER 01:35:31.392 --> 01:35:32.893 TESTIMONY, LET'S TURN TO THE 01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:34.161 COMMITTEE. LET ME FIRST, THOUGH, 01:35:34.228 --> 01:35:35.563 JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE 01:35:35.629 --> 01:35:37.298 AMENDMENTS THAT ARE THAT THAT 01:35:37.364 --> 01:35:38.666 AUTHORS AGREE TO ACCEPT THAT 01:35:38.732 --> 01:35:40.167 WILL BE TAKEN IN THE LABOR 01:35:40.234 --> 01:35:41.268 COMMITTEE, WHICH, IF THE BILL 01:35:41.335 --> 01:35:42.903 PASSES OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, 01:35:42.970 --> 01:35:43.904 THE AMENDMENTS WILL BE 01:35:43.971 --> 01:35:45.039 PROCESSED THERE JUST DUE TO THE 01:35:45.106 --> 01:35:46.240 TIMING OF MULTIPLE COMMITTEES 01:35:46.307 --> 01:35:48.142 THIS WEEK. AND THOSE THOSE 01:35:48.209 --> 01:35:49.810 AMENDMENTS DO SUBSTANTIALLY 01:35:49.877 --> 01:35:51.011 NARROW THE BILL, AS THE AUTHOR 01:35:51.078 --> 01:35:54.615 HAS INDICATED, TO REMOVE 01:35:54.682 --> 01:35:55.716 SEVERAL OF THE PROHIBITIONS IN 01:35:55.783 --> 01:35:57.118 THE BILL TO FOCUS IT 01:35:57.184 --> 01:35:59.653 SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY ON 01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:01.155 INFERENCES OR PREDICTIONS ABOUT 01:36:01.222 --> 01:36:02.890 AN INDIVIDUAL'S EMOTIONAL STATE 01:36:02.957 --> 01:36:04.358 OR COLLECTING NEURAL DATA. ALL 01:36:04.425 --> 01:36:07.595 THE OTHER PROVISIONS RELATED TO 01:36:07.661 --> 01:36:08.762 FACIAL RECOGNITION AND OTHER 01:36:08.829 --> 01:36:10.431 AND OTHER LIMITATIONS ARE WOULD 01:36:10.498 --> 01:36:12.233 NOT BE IN THE BILL ANY LONGER, 01:36:12.299 --> 01:36:13.701 AS WELL AS SOME TIGHTENING OF 01:36:13.767 --> 01:36:15.503 THE LANGUAGE ON THE ON THE 01:36:15.569 --> 01:36:16.537 FEDERAL, FEDERAL CONTRACTS AND 01:36:16.604 --> 01:36:17.671 FEDERAL LAWS. THOSE ARE THE 01:36:17.738 --> 01:36:18.706 PRINCIPAL AMENDMENTS THAT ARE 01:36:18.772 --> 01:36:20.508 THAT ARE IN THE PACKAGE TODAY. 01:36:20.574 --> 01:36:22.009 SO WITH THAT, MEMBERS OF THE 01:36:22.076 --> 01:36:23.077 COMMITTEE, QUESTIONS OR 01:36:23.144 --> 01:36:27.114 COMMENTS OR MOTION MOVED BY 01:36:27.181 --> 01:36:28.449 SENATOR PADILLA, SENATOR 01:36:28.516 --> 01:36:30.951 MCNERNEY. WELL, I THINK THE 01:36:31.018 --> 01:36:33.554 AUTHOR. I HAVE A BILL THAT'S 01:36:33.621 --> 01:36:36.123 SIMILAR TO THIS IN MANY WAYS. 01:36:36.190 --> 01:36:41.762 AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE 01:36:41.829 --> 01:36:43.964 TECHNOLOGY SORT OF CORRALLED 01:36:44.031 --> 01:36:47.868 AND USEFUL TO TO PROVIDE 01:36:47.935 --> 01:36:50.004 BENEFITS, NOT TO PROVIDE 01:36:50.070 --> 01:36:51.839 SURVEILLANCE AND WORKPLACE 01:36:51.906 --> 01:36:54.708 POTENTIAL HARASSMENTS. I, I 01:36:54.775 --> 01:36:56.877 CAN'T, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO 01:36:56.944 --> 01:36:58.546 SUPPORT THIS BILL. I APPRECIATE 01:36:58.612 --> 01:37:00.581 THE AUTHOR AND THAT YOU'RE 01:37:00.648 --> 01:37:01.715 WILLING TO TAKE AMENDMENTS ALSO, 01:37:01.782 --> 01:37:04.051 I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. THIS 01:37:04.118 --> 01:37:05.152 IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE 01:37:05.219 --> 01:37:09.456 IMPROVE OUR BILLS. THANK YOU. 01:37:09.523 --> 01:37:13.394 FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? 01:37:13.460 --> 01:37:15.162 ALL RIGHT. I'M ALSO GOING TO 01:37:15.229 --> 01:37:16.997 SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY. I THINK 01:37:17.064 --> 01:37:18.866 THERE REMAIN SOME SOME OF THE 01:37:18.933 --> 01:37:19.967 OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ABOUT 01:37:20.034 --> 01:37:21.068 THIS RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAWS 01:37:21.135 --> 01:37:22.870 THAT THE LEGISLATURE ENACTED 01:37:22.937 --> 01:37:25.406 WITH RESPECT TO SAFETY. MY, MY, 01:37:25.472 --> 01:37:26.941 MY HOPE AND EXPECTATION IS THAT 01:37:27.007 --> 01:37:28.475 THE AUTHOR AND THE SPONSOR WILL 01:37:28.542 --> 01:37:29.543 CONTINUE TO WORK ON THOSE 01:37:29.610 --> 01:37:30.678 ISSUES. THEY ARE THEY ARE NOT 01:37:30.744 --> 01:37:32.580 TRIVIAL. THEY ARE IMPORTANT. 01:37:32.646 --> 01:37:33.981 BUT THE BILL HAS HAS COME A 01:37:34.048 --> 01:37:36.083 LONG WAY. AND, AND IT'S REALLY 01:37:36.150 --> 01:37:37.284 FOCUSED ON, ON, ON THIS 01:37:37.351 --> 01:37:39.820 IMPORTANT AREA. I MEAN, WE HAVE 01:37:39.887 --> 01:37:41.555 A LOT OF THESE KIND OF BILLS IN 01:37:41.622 --> 01:37:42.590 COMMITTEE WHERE THERE MAY BE 01:37:42.656 --> 01:37:44.391 SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN A FEW 01:37:44.458 --> 01:37:45.526 YEARS, BUT THIS IS A PERIOD 01:37:45.593 --> 01:37:48.295 WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE 01:37:48.362 --> 01:37:49.430 PASSING OTHER LEGISLATION 01:37:49.496 --> 01:37:52.700 TELLING AI AGENTS TO NOT BE SO 01:37:52.766 --> 01:37:54.868 SYCOPHANTIC BECAUSE THEY JUST 01:37:54.935 --> 01:37:56.403 CAN'T. TOO MANY OF THEM CAN'T 01:37:56.470 --> 01:37:57.938 SEEM TO FUNCTION IN THE WORLD 01:37:58.005 --> 01:38:00.241 WITHOUT EXCESSIVELY 01:38:00.307 --> 01:38:01.442 COMPLIMENTING AND PRAISING AND 01:38:01.508 --> 01:38:02.409 GIVING, TELLING US WHATEVER WE 01:38:02.476 --> 01:38:06.146 WANT TO HEAR THERE. I DON'T 01:38:06.213 --> 01:38:07.548 THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS IN 01:38:07.615 --> 01:38:09.250 IN THE PLACE WHERE THEY FEEL 01:38:09.316 --> 01:38:11.018 THAT THEY CAN TRUST AI AT THIS 01:38:11.085 --> 01:38:13.187 POINT TO BE ABLE TO ACCURATELY 01:38:13.254 --> 01:38:15.422 AND WITHOUT DISCRIMINATION, 01:38:15.489 --> 01:38:17.891 ASSESS FOR ACTIONABLE PURPOSES 01:38:17.958 --> 01:38:19.326 THE EMOTIONAL STATE OF A HUMAN 01:38:19.393 --> 01:38:21.495 BEING. AND SO THIS IS A THIS IS 01:38:21.562 --> 01:38:23.163 A VERY NARROW MEASURE. I SHOULD 01:38:23.230 --> 01:38:24.298 ALSO ADD THE AMENDMENTS ALSO 01:38:24.365 --> 01:38:26.033 APPLY TO APPLY THIS ONLY TO 01:38:26.100 --> 01:38:28.068 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TOOLS, 01:38:28.135 --> 01:38:29.770 NOT TO ALL SURVEILLANCE. SO 01:38:29.837 --> 01:38:31.438 IT'S INTENDED TO, TO, TO BE IN 01:38:31.505 --> 01:38:33.440 THAT SPOT WHERE THAT BOTH THE 01:38:33.507 --> 01:38:34.808 TECHNOLOGY AND THE CULTURE AND 01:38:34.875 --> 01:38:35.876 SOCIETY ARE CHANGING. AND IT 01:38:35.943 --> 01:38:37.645 COULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY IN 01:38:37.711 --> 01:38:38.779 SEVERAL YEARS FROM NOW. BUT AS 01:38:38.846 --> 01:38:40.581 OF NOW, THE TECHNOLOGY ISN'T 01:38:40.648 --> 01:38:41.815 THERE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH 01:38:41.882 --> 01:38:42.850 THIS. HOPE THE AUTHOR WILL 01:38:42.916 --> 01:38:44.652 CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE THE 01:38:44.718 --> 01:38:46.053 SAFETY ISSUES. IF THERE IS A 01:38:46.120 --> 01:38:48.255 FIGHT ON THE FLOOR THAT THAT 01:38:48.322 --> 01:38:49.990 THAT IS THAT IS, YOU DON'T NEED 01:38:50.057 --> 01:38:51.425 A YOU DON'T NEED SOMEBODY 01:38:51.492 --> 01:38:52.793 EMOTIONAL STATE. IF THE PUNCH 01:38:52.860 --> 01:38:54.595 IS BEING IS BEING THROWN. IN 01:38:54.662 --> 01:38:55.562 ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT, YOU 01:38:55.629 --> 01:38:57.298 NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION. AND 01:38:57.364 --> 01:38:58.465 SO LET'S, LET'S BE AS PRECISE 01:38:58.532 --> 01:38:59.566 ABOUT WHAT THE POTENTIAL 01:38:59.633 --> 01:39:00.567 CHALLENGES ARE, BUT APPRECIATE 01:39:00.634 --> 01:39:02.336 THE AUTHOR'S WORK ON THE BILL. 01:39:02.403 --> 01:39:03.537 I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT TODAY 01:39:03.604 --> 01:39:05.439 AS WELL. WE HAVE A MOTION BY 01:39:05.506 --> 01:39:07.174 SENATOR PADILLA. PLEASE CALL 01:39:07.241 --> 01:39:10.744 THE ROLL. BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE 01:39:10.811 --> 01:39:13.180 TO CLOSE? ABSOLUTELY. AND 01:39:13.247 --> 01:39:14.148 LISTENING TO THE OPPOSITION, 01:39:14.214 --> 01:39:15.616 I'M REMINDED OF A BENJAMIN 01:39:15.683 --> 01:39:17.017 FRANKLIN QUOTE, WHICH WAS 01:39:17.084 --> 01:39:18.085 SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF 01:39:18.152 --> 01:39:19.486 THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE UP 01:39:19.553 --> 01:39:20.421 ESSENTIAL LIBERTY UNDER THE 01:39:20.487 --> 01:39:21.989 GUISE OF TEMPORARY SECURITY 01:39:22.056 --> 01:39:25.659 DESERVE NEITHER. THIS BILL HAS 01:39:25.726 --> 01:39:27.661 BEEN NARROWED TO PROHIBIT THE 01:39:27.728 --> 01:39:31.065 USE OF THE MOST INVASIVE, LEAST 01:39:31.131 --> 01:39:32.833 RELIABLE AND MOST 01:39:32.900 --> 01:39:33.967 DISCRIMINATORY TOOLS AVAILABLE 01:39:34.034 --> 01:39:36.170 TODAY. IT IS ABOUT PROTECTING 01:39:36.236 --> 01:39:38.205 PEOPLE AND KEEPING WORKERS SAFE, 01:39:38.272 --> 01:39:40.074 AND THEREFORE KEEPING ALL OF 01:39:40.140 --> 01:39:40.974 OUR PRIVACY SAFE AND 01:39:41.041 --> 01:39:46.113 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. 01:39:46.180 --> 01:39:47.981 PLEASE CALL. THE ROLL MOTION IS 01:39:48.048 --> 01:39:49.683 DUE. PASS TO LABOR, PUBLIC 01:39:49.750 --> 01:39:51.251 EMPLOYMENT AND RETIREMENT 01:39:51.318 --> 01:39:52.786 CENTERS, COBALT AND COBALT AND 01:39:52.853 --> 01:39:56.023 I. SATO. GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. 01:39:56.090 --> 01:39:58.459 MCNERNEY. AYE. OKUBO. PADILLA. 01:39:58.525 --> 01:40:00.994 PADILLA. I REYES. UMBERG. 01:40:01.061 --> 01:40:06.333 WIENER. VOTES 3 TO 0. THAT 01:40:06.400 --> 01:40:07.768 MEASURE ON CALL AND PROCEED 01:40:07.835 --> 01:40:09.536 NEXT TO ITEM SIX BY ASSEMBLY 01:40:09.603 --> 01:40:21.882 MEMBER BRIAN A B 1349. FOR 01:40:21.949 --> 01:40:23.384 WITNESSES PURPOSES, WE ARE 01:40:23.450 --> 01:40:24.752 HAVING PASSED THE HOUR OF 11 01:40:24.818 --> 01:40:27.121 A.M. JUST TO MAINTAIN OUR 01:40:27.187 --> 01:40:28.655 PROGRESS ON THE HEARING. IF I 01:40:28.722 --> 01:40:30.357 COULD PLEASE ASK ALL WITNESSES 01:40:30.424 --> 01:40:32.593 TO NOT MAKE. GOOD MORNING. I 01:40:32.659 --> 01:40:34.361 MEAN, GOOD AFTERNOON JOKES. 01:40:34.428 --> 01:40:36.230 LET'S. LET'S USE ALL THE TIME 01:40:36.296 --> 01:40:37.364 ON POLICY ISSUES, IF YOU DON'T 01:40:37.431 --> 01:40:38.532 MIND. ASSEMBLYMEMBER. BRIAN, 01:40:38.599 --> 01:40:41.502 WELCOME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR 01:40:41.568 --> 01:40:43.337 AND SENATE COLLEAGUES, I'M HERE 01:40:43.404 --> 01:40:48.041 TO PRESENT AB 1349. I FIRST 01:40:48.108 --> 01:40:49.643 WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING THE 01:40:49.710 --> 01:40:50.644 COMMITTEE CONSULTANTS FOR THEIR 01:40:50.711 --> 01:40:51.745 INCREDIBLE WORK ON THIS BILL. 01:40:51.812 --> 01:40:52.913 IN ADDITION TO THE DEPARTMENT 01:40:52.980 --> 01:40:54.114 OF JUSTICE, WHO PROVIDED 01:40:54.181 --> 01:40:54.915 AMENDMENTS OVER THE WEEKEND AND 01:40:54.982 --> 01:40:56.817 MET WITH US FOR HOURS AND HOURS 01:40:56.884 --> 01:40:58.719 AND HOURS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 01:40:58.786 --> 01:41:00.988 GOT THEM RIGHT. AFTER, 01:41:01.054 --> 01:41:01.722 LITERALLY AFTER MEETING WITH 01:41:01.789 --> 01:41:04.158 THE DOJ, I WENT TO A CONCERT AT 01:41:04.224 --> 01:41:06.593 THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL, THE ROOTS 01:41:06.660 --> 01:41:08.295 PICNIC. I SAW DE LA SOUL, THE 01:41:08.362 --> 01:41:10.464 ROOTS, TÊ I, BUN B, AND N N 01:41:10.531 --> 01:41:12.666 SOME OF MY FAVORITE RAP ARTISTS. 01:41:12.733 --> 01:41:13.934 AND I REFLECTED ON WHEN WE 01:41:14.001 --> 01:41:15.502 BOUGHT THE TICKETS FOR THIS 01:41:15.569 --> 01:41:16.804 SHOW, WHEN MY FRIENDS AND I 01:41:16.870 --> 01:41:18.071 WERE BUYING TICKETS TO THE 01:41:18.138 --> 01:41:19.506 ROOTS PICNIC AT THE HOLLYWOOD 01:41:19.573 --> 01:41:21.442 BOWL, WE CHECKED ONLINE. WE SAW 01:41:21.508 --> 01:41:23.143 HOW MUCH THEY COST AND IT 01:41:23.210 --> 01:41:25.078 FREAKED US OUT. AND THEN WE SAW 01:41:25.145 --> 01:41:26.079 SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT THEY 01:41:26.146 --> 01:41:27.181 ACTUALLY WEREN'T ON SALE FOR 01:41:27.247 --> 01:41:28.415 ANOTHER WEEK. AND WE DID SOME 01:41:28.482 --> 01:41:29.316 INVESTIGATING AND FOUND OUT 01:41:29.383 --> 01:41:31.084 THAT THIS WAS A DECEPTIVE 01:41:31.151 --> 01:41:32.119 WEBSITE SELLING SPECULATIVE 01:41:32.186 --> 01:41:33.187 TICKETS. TICKETS THEY DID NOT 01:41:33.253 --> 01:41:35.122 HAVE YET FOR A CONCERT THAT HAD 01:41:35.189 --> 01:41:36.590 NOT GONE ON SALE YET, AT A 01:41:36.657 --> 01:41:38.125 PRICE GREATER THAN WHAT THEY 01:41:38.192 --> 01:41:40.194 WOULD EVENTUALLY GO ON SALE FOR. 01:41:40.260 --> 01:41:42.796 THIS BILL BANS THAT PRACTICE. 01:41:42.863 --> 01:41:44.231 IT ESSENTIALLY BANS THAT 01:41:44.298 --> 01:41:45.299 PRACTICE. IT'S A HARMFUL 01:41:45.365 --> 01:41:46.767 PRACTICE FOR CONSUMERS. IT'S 01:41:46.834 --> 01:41:48.702 ALSO HARMFUL FOR VENUES BECAUSE 01:41:48.769 --> 01:41:51.371 IN THE MOST EXTREME CASES, FANS 01:41:51.438 --> 01:41:52.773 SHOW UP TO VENUES BELIEVING 01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:54.975 THAT THEY BOUGHT A TICKET, 01:41:55.042 --> 01:41:56.777 LEAVING ESPECIALLY THE SMALL 01:41:56.844 --> 01:41:58.445 VENUES ON THE HOOK FOR HAVING 01:41:58.512 --> 01:42:00.347 TO TURN THEM AWAY. BECAUSE THAT 01:42:00.414 --> 01:42:06.487 TICKET ISN'T REAL. AB 1349 ALSO 01:42:06.553 --> 01:42:08.388 BANS WEBSITES THAT MIMIC A 01:42:08.455 --> 01:42:10.591 OFFICIAL EVENT PLATFORMS AND 01:42:10.657 --> 01:42:11.892 CONFUSE CONSUMERS BY USING 01:42:11.959 --> 01:42:13.727 TERMS LIKE SOLD OUT. BEFORE 01:42:13.794 --> 01:42:15.863 TICKETS HAVE EVEN GONE ON SALE. 01:42:15.929 --> 01:42:17.264 IT INCREASES THE PENALTIES FOR 01:42:17.331 --> 01:42:18.432 VIOLATORS TO MAKE SURE THAT 01:42:18.499 --> 01:42:19.900 CONSUMERS ARE ALWAYS AT THE 01:42:19.967 --> 01:42:22.302 FRONT OF MIND. THIS BILL 01:42:22.369 --> 01:42:23.837 PRIORITIZES TRANSPARENCY. IT 01:42:23.904 --> 01:42:25.272 PROTECTS CONSUMERS, IT SUPPORTS 01:42:25.339 --> 01:42:27.074 FANS AND ARTISTS, AND THE 01:42:27.140 --> 01:42:28.475 EXPERIENCES THAT WE ALL SHARE. 01:42:28.542 --> 01:42:31.144 WITH ME TO TESTIFY IS TREVOR 01:42:31.211 --> 01:42:32.112 SWENSSON, THE FOUNDER OF 01:42:32.179 --> 01:42:33.213 DYNAMIC TALENT INTERNATIONAL, 01:42:33.280 --> 01:42:34.581 AND JOE RINALDI, MANAGING 01:42:34.648 --> 01:42:36.083 PARTNER OF THE MUSIC BOX IN 01:42:36.149 --> 01:42:39.820 DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO. WELCOME TO 01:42:39.887 --> 01:42:41.622 YOU BOTH. AND YOU'LL EACH HAVE 01:42:41.688 --> 01:42:44.858 TWO MINUTES. CHAIR AND MEMBERS. 01:42:44.925 --> 01:42:46.126 I'M JOE RINALDI, PRESIDENT OF 01:42:46.193 --> 01:42:48.061 THE NATIONAL INDEPENDENT VENUE 01:42:48.128 --> 01:42:49.696 ASSOCIATION CALIFORNIA CHAPTER, 01:42:49.763 --> 01:42:51.164 REPRESENTING MORE THAN 650 01:42:51.231 --> 01:42:52.633 INDEPENDENT VENUES, PROMOTERS, 01:42:52.699 --> 01:42:53.767 FESTIVALS AND THE SMALL 01:42:53.834 --> 01:42:54.801 BUSINESSES THAT MAKE 01:42:54.868 --> 01:42:55.903 CALIFORNIA'S INDEPENDENT LIVE 01:42:55.969 --> 01:42:58.005 ENTERTAINMENT ECONOMY POSSIBLE. 01:42:58.071 --> 01:42:59.673 EXCUSE ME. IT'S THE MICROPHONE 01:42:59.740 --> 01:43:12.386 ON AND. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO 01:43:12.452 --> 01:43:14.154 THANK THE CHAIR OF THE 01:43:14.221 --> 01:43:15.155 COMMITTEE, THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER 01:43:15.222 --> 01:43:16.290 BRYANT, AND HIS TEAM, FOR THE 01:43:16.356 --> 01:43:17.391 MANY HOURS OF THOUGHTFUL 01:43:17.457 --> 01:43:18.559 ENGAGEMENT ON THIS BILL, 01:43:18.625 --> 01:43:19.593 INCLUDING CONVERSATIONS OVER 01:43:19.660 --> 01:43:21.428 THE WEEKEND. WE SINCERELY 01:43:21.495 --> 01:43:22.896 APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO 01:43:22.963 --> 01:43:24.298 CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH THESE 01:43:24.364 --> 01:43:26.233 ISSUES TOGETHER. I ALSO WANT TO 01:43:26.300 --> 01:43:28.068 BE CLEAR ABOUT WHO WE ARE. OUR 01:43:28.135 --> 01:43:30.070 MEMBERS ARE NOT LIVE NATION OR 01:43:30.137 --> 01:43:31.538 TICKETMASTER. WE'RE INDEPENDENT 01:43:31.605 --> 01:43:32.773 VENUES, INDEPENDENT PROMOTERS 01:43:32.839 --> 01:43:34.141 AND INDEPENDENT FESTIVALS IN 01:43:34.207 --> 01:43:35.475 THE COMMUNITIES ACROSS 01:43:35.542 --> 01:43:37.611 CALIFORNIA. WE ARE THE LOCAL 01:43:37.678 --> 01:43:39.046 THEATERS, MUSIC HALLS, CLUBS 01:43:39.112 --> 01:43:40.847 AND EVENT SPACES THAT COMPETE 01:43:40.914 --> 01:43:42.316 EVERY DAY AGAINST THE LARGEST 01:43:42.382 --> 01:43:44.351 PLAYERS IN OUR INDUSTRY. OUR 01:43:44.418 --> 01:43:45.886 MEMBERS HAVE CONSISTENTLY 01:43:45.953 --> 01:43:47.187 ADVOCATED FOR MORE COMPETITION, 01:43:47.254 --> 01:43:48.855 MORE TRANSPARENCY AND STRONGER 01:43:48.922 --> 01:43:50.257 CONSUMER PROTECTIONS BECAUSE 01:43:50.324 --> 01:43:51.625 THAT'S WHAT ALLOWS INDEPENDENT 01:43:51.692 --> 01:43:53.560 BUSINESSES TO THRIVE. WE ARE 01:43:53.627 --> 01:43:55.262 PROUD TO SUPPORT AB 1349 01:43:55.329 --> 01:43:56.730 BECAUSE SPECULATIVE TICKETING 01:43:56.797 --> 01:43:58.498 AND DECEPTIVE RESALE PRACTICES 01:43:58.565 --> 01:43:59.766 CONTINUE TO HARM CONSUMERS, 01:43:59.833 --> 01:44:01.335 ARTISTS AND INDEPENDENT VENUES 01:44:01.401 --> 01:44:02.836 ALIKE. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THESE 01:44:02.903 --> 01:44:03.904 PLATFORMS HAVE BECOME 01:44:03.971 --> 01:44:05.639 INCREDIBLY SOPHISTICATED. THEIR 01:44:05.706 --> 01:44:07.140 BUSINESS MODELS OFTEN RELY ON 01:44:07.207 --> 01:44:08.342 TECHNOLOGY AND PRACTICES THAT 01:44:08.408 --> 01:44:09.610 MAKE ENFORCEMENT DIFFICULT, AND 01:44:09.676 --> 01:44:11.144 ALLOW BAD ACTORS TO STAY ONE 01:44:11.211 --> 01:44:13.213 STEP AHEAD OF REGULATORS. WE'VE 01:44:13.280 --> 01:44:15.415 ALREADY SEEN WHY THAT MATTERS. 01:44:15.482 --> 01:44:18.218 ARIZONA ENACTED HB 2194 TO 01:44:18.285 --> 01:44:20.087 PROHIBIT SPECULATIVE TICKETING. 01:44:20.153 --> 01:44:21.722 THE SALE OF TICKETS A SELLER 01:44:21.788 --> 01:44:24.024 DOES NOT ACTUALLY POSSESS. YET 01:44:24.091 --> 01:44:25.892 DESPITE THAT PROHIBITION, 01:44:25.959 --> 01:44:27.260 PLATFORMS SUCH AS STUBHUB 01:44:27.327 --> 01:44:28.929 CONTINUED TO FACE CRITICISM 01:44:28.996 --> 01:44:30.097 OVER SPECULATIVE LISTINGS, 01:44:30.163 --> 01:44:31.932 PROMPTING ARIZONA LAWMAKERS TO 01:44:31.999 --> 01:44:32.966 PUBLICLY CALL ON RESALE 01:44:33.033 --> 01:44:34.201 PLATFORMS TO COMPLY WITH THE 01:44:34.267 --> 01:44:35.569 STATE'S CONSUMER PROTECTION 01:44:35.636 --> 01:44:37.004 LAWS AND STOP EXPLOITING 01:44:37.070 --> 01:44:38.105 LOOPHOLES THAT UNDERMINE 01:44:38.171 --> 01:44:40.240 ENFORCEMENT. THAT EXPERIENCE IS 01:44:40.307 --> 01:44:41.308 INSTRUCTIVE TO CALIFORNIA. AS 01:44:41.375 --> 01:44:43.043 THIS BILL CONTINUES TO MOVE 01:44:43.110 --> 01:44:44.144 FORWARD, WE BELIEVE THERE ARE 01:44:44.211 --> 01:44:46.013 SEVERAL PROVISIONS, INCLUDING 01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:47.781 THOSE RELATED TO 01:44:47.848 --> 01:44:49.282 TRANSFERABILITY AND OTHER 01:44:49.349 --> 01:44:49.850 IMPLEMENTATION DETAILS THAT 01:44:49.916 --> 01:44:51.685 DESERVE CONTINUED COLLABORATION. 01:44:51.752 --> 01:44:52.853 OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE 01:44:52.919 --> 01:44:53.920 CALIFORNIA GETS IT RIGHT THE 01:44:53.987 --> 01:44:55.789 FIRST TIME, AND CLOSES THE KIND 01:44:55.856 --> 01:44:56.923 OF LOOPHOLES THAT HAVE LIMITED 01:44:56.990 --> 01:44:58.158 THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SIMILAR 01:44:58.225 --> 01:45:00.560 LAWS ELSEWHERE. WE ASK YOU TO 01:45:00.627 --> 01:45:02.229 WRAP UP, AND I THINK I'M 01:45:02.295 --> 01:45:03.563 HEARING THE MAGIC WORDS AT THE 01:45:03.630 --> 01:45:05.499 END, BUT JUST TO BE SURE, WE 01:45:05.565 --> 01:45:06.166 APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR'S 01:45:06.233 --> 01:45:07.401 WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE WORKING 01:45:07.467 --> 01:45:08.969 WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS. AND WE 01:45:09.036 --> 01:45:10.303 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE 01:45:10.370 --> 01:45:11.505 SO WE CAN CONTINUE ADVANCING 01:45:11.571 --> 01:45:12.572 THIS IMPORTANT CONSUMER 01:45:12.639 --> 01:45:14.141 PROTECTION MEASURE. THANK YOU, 01:45:14.207 --> 01:45:19.112 THANK YOU. COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 01:45:19.179 --> 01:45:20.614 MY NAME IS TREVOR SWENSON, AND 01:45:20.681 --> 01:45:22.349 I'M THE CEO OF DYNAMIC TALENT 01:45:22.416 --> 01:45:23.083 INTERNATIONAL. AND WE DO HAVE 01:45:23.150 --> 01:45:24.518 OFFICES HERE IN SACRAMENTO, 01:45:24.584 --> 01:45:25.852 CALIFORNIA. WE'RE BOUTIQUE 01:45:25.919 --> 01:45:27.387 AGENCY THAT BOOKS EVERYTHING 01:45:27.454 --> 01:45:28.655 FROM SMALL LITTLE VENUES ALL 01:45:28.722 --> 01:45:29.890 THE WAY UP TO STADIUM LEVEL 01:45:29.956 --> 01:45:32.192 ARTISTS. I AM PRO CAPITALISM IN 01:45:32.259 --> 01:45:33.260 SUPPORT OF COMPANIES MAKING 01:45:33.326 --> 01:45:34.194 REVENUE WITH GREAT IDEAS 01:45:34.261 --> 01:45:35.629 THROUGH INNOVATION IN THE 01:45:35.696 --> 01:45:36.263 MARKETPLACE. SPECULATIVE 01:45:36.329 --> 01:45:38.498 TICKETING HAS BECOME A PROBLEM 01:45:38.565 --> 01:45:39.666 SINCE STARTING MY JOURNEY IN 01:45:39.733 --> 01:45:41.068 THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY AND 01:45:41.134 --> 01:45:42.002 THE OUTLINES OF THE CURRENT 01:45:42.069 --> 01:45:44.971 BILL, AB 1349 IS CRUCIAL TO 01:45:45.038 --> 01:45:47.140 CONTROL OVER A HAND. IN THE END 01:45:47.207 --> 01:45:49.376 OF THAT SITUATION, WHEN A 01:45:49.443 --> 01:45:50.544 SECONDARY PLATFORM ALLOWS 01:45:50.610 --> 01:45:51.945 SELLERS TO LIST INVENTORY THAT 01:45:52.012 --> 01:45:53.346 THEY DO NOT ACTUALLY HOLD, 01:45:53.413 --> 01:45:54.681 CONSUMERS SUFFER. JUST LOOK AT 01:45:54.748 --> 01:45:55.816 WHAT HAPPENED LAST TWO WEEKS 01:45:55.882 --> 01:45:56.983 WITH THE WORLD CUP. IT'S BEEN 01:45:57.050 --> 01:45:59.052 AN ABSOLUTE TRAGEDY. WITH THAT, 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:00.487 THE BILL SAYS ONE THING YOU 01:46:00.554 --> 01:46:02.089 CANNOT SELL A SEAT UNTIL YOU 01:46:02.155 --> 01:46:03.223 ACTUALLY HAVE IT. IT TARGETS 01:46:03.290 --> 01:46:05.125 THE SCHEME WHEN AN EVENT GOES 01:46:05.192 --> 01:46:07.127 ON SALE OR IS ABOUT TO GO ON 01:46:07.194 --> 01:46:08.261 SALE, THE PRACTICE OF HOLDING 01:46:08.328 --> 01:46:09.362 THE TICKETS THAT HAS NOT EVEN 01:46:09.429 --> 01:46:11.131 BEEN PURCHASED IS REMOVING THEM 01:46:11.198 --> 01:46:12.199 FROM THE INVENTORY SHOULD BE 01:46:12.265 --> 01:46:13.567 STOPPED. THE ARTISTS, GROUPS 01:46:13.633 --> 01:46:14.901 AND THE EVENT DOING THE WORK 01:46:14.968 --> 01:46:16.436 ARE CREATING THE BUZZ THAT 01:46:16.503 --> 01:46:17.537 GENERATE THE TICKET REVENUE. 01:46:17.604 --> 01:46:18.705 AND THEN WHEN THE WHEN THE 01:46:18.772 --> 01:46:20.340 ENTITY STEPS IN, TAKES THE 01:46:20.407 --> 01:46:21.708 TICKETS, HOLDS THE TICKETS, THE 01:46:21.775 --> 01:46:22.876 ARTIST AND THE ENTITY DOES NOT 01:46:22.943 --> 01:46:24.044 RECEIVE THAT ACTUAL REVENUE OF 01:46:24.111 --> 01:46:26.947 THE SALE OF THAT EVENT. MAJOR 01:46:27.013 --> 01:46:28.982 GENRE THAT MY AGENCY WORKS WITH 01:46:29.049 --> 01:46:31.218 IS JAPANESE AND KOREAN MARKETS, 01:46:31.284 --> 01:46:32.719 WHERE IN THOSE MARKETS SCALPING 01:46:32.786 --> 01:46:34.387 IS ILLEGAL. IT'S A HIGHLY 01:46:34.454 --> 01:46:35.455 REGULATED ASPECT WHERE THEY 01:46:35.522 --> 01:46:36.923 CAN'T ACTUALLY DO IT IN THOSE 01:46:36.990 --> 01:46:38.658 COUNTRIES, AND IT'S BEEN VERY 01:46:38.725 --> 01:46:39.726 WELL CONTROLLED AND RECEIVED BY 01:46:39.793 --> 01:46:41.628 THE PUBLIC. WE APPRECIATE THE 01:46:41.695 --> 01:46:42.362 COMMITTEE'S WORK ON THIS BILL, 01:46:42.429 --> 01:46:43.797 AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO 01:46:43.864 --> 01:46:44.865 CONTINUING THE WORK WITH THE 01:46:44.931 --> 01:46:46.099 REST OF THIS. AND AGAIN, THANK 01:46:46.166 --> 01:46:48.802 YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR HAVING ME. 01:46:48.869 --> 01:46:51.004 THANKS TO YOU BOTH. ARE THERE 01:46:51.071 --> 01:46:52.773 IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO 01:46:52.839 --> 01:46:54.307 REGISTER A SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? 01:46:54.374 --> 01:46:56.309 PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MIC. 01:46:56.376 --> 01:46:57.477 HELLO. KENDRA BAGLEY, ON BEHALF 01:46:57.544 --> 01:46:58.645 OF THE CITY OF THOUSAND OAKS 01:46:58.712 --> 01:47:02.482 AND SUPPORT. MISTER CHAIR 01:47:02.549 --> 01:47:03.750 MEMBERS, JAMES JACK ON BEHALF 01:47:03.817 --> 01:47:05.652 OF THE COALITION FOR TICKET 01:47:05.719 --> 01:47:07.120 FAIRNESS, WE REMOVED OUR 01:47:07.187 --> 01:47:08.588 OPPOSITION BASED ON THE 01:47:08.655 --> 01:47:09.656 AMENDMENTS CURRENTLY IN PRINT 01:47:09.723 --> 01:47:13.326 AND NOW SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 01:47:13.393 --> 01:47:14.461 JORDAN CURLY ON BEHALF OF THE 01:47:14.528 --> 01:47:15.762 MUSIC ARTISTS COALITION AND 01:47:15.829 --> 01:47:16.797 DEEP APPRECIATION TO THE AUTHOR 01:47:16.863 --> 01:47:21.635 AND THE CHAIR FOR THEIR WORK. 01:47:21.701 --> 01:47:23.303 JIM CORNETT, OWNER OF THE 01:47:23.370 --> 01:47:24.504 STARLIGHT ROOM AND CAFE 01:47:24.571 --> 01:47:26.673 COLONIAL SMALL CAP CAPACITY 01:47:26.740 --> 01:47:31.578 INDEPENDENT VENUES AND SUPPORT. 01:47:31.645 --> 01:47:33.113 RANDY NICHOLS FROM THE NATIONAL 01:47:33.180 --> 01:47:34.514 INDEPENDENT TALENT ORGANIZATION 01:47:34.581 --> 01:47:38.552 IN SUPPORT. CONOR GUZMAN ON 01:47:38.618 --> 01:47:43.456 BEHALF OF SAG-AFTRA IN SUPPORT. 01:47:43.523 --> 01:47:44.624 GABRIEL DOCTOR WITH THE SAN 01:47:44.691 --> 01:47:46.927 FRANCISCO VENUE COALITION IN 01:47:46.993 --> 01:47:51.398 SUPPORT. JOHN GUNTON OF THE 01:47:51.464 --> 01:47:53.166 INDEPENDENT VENUE, CHANNEL 24 01:47:53.233 --> 01:47:57.804 IN SUPPORT. ALEX TORRES HERE ON 01:47:57.871 --> 01:48:00.106 BEHALF OF TAVERN IN NOVATO AND 01:48:00.173 --> 01:48:01.908 SONOMA, AS WELL AS SAN DIEGO 01:48:01.975 --> 01:48:03.043 VENUES THE BELLY UP IN SOLANA 01:48:03.109 --> 01:48:06.112 BEACH AND SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 01:48:06.179 --> 01:48:07.247 ROSS BUCKLEY ON BEHALF OF THE 01:48:07.314 --> 01:48:10.050 CITY OF SACRAMENTO AND SUPPORT 01:48:10.116 --> 01:48:11.618 CLIFTON WILSON ON BEHALF OF THE 01:48:11.685 --> 01:48:12.586 CALIFORNIA ARTS ADVOCATES IN 01:48:12.652 --> 01:48:20.427 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, 01:48:20.493 --> 01:48:21.561 WE'LL TURN TO OPPOSITION. ARE 01:48:21.628 --> 01:48:23.463 THERE TWO LEAD WITNESSES IN 01:48:23.530 --> 01:48:29.536 OPPOSITION TO A B 1349? WELCOME 01:48:29.603 --> 01:48:31.905 IN. EACH OF YOU WILL ALSO HAVE 01:48:31.972 --> 01:48:40.513 TWO MINUTES. CHAIR AND MEMBERS, 01:48:40.580 --> 01:48:41.982 THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MY 01:48:42.048 --> 01:48:43.149 NAME IS JUANITA MARTINEZ, AND 01:48:43.216 --> 01:48:44.885 I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF 01:48:44.951 --> 01:48:45.919 CALIFORNIA LIVE EVENTS EQUITY 01:48:45.986 --> 01:48:47.520 ALLIANCE. CLEA IS A CONSUMER 01:48:47.587 --> 01:48:48.955 FACING ORGANIZATION WHOSE 01:48:49.022 --> 01:48:50.056 MEMBERS SUPPORT AFFORDABLE 01:48:50.123 --> 01:48:52.525 ACCESS TO LIVE EVENTS AND FAIR, 01:48:52.592 --> 01:48:54.027 COMPETITIVE TICKET MARKETPLACE. 01:48:54.094 --> 01:48:55.795 CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO PLAY A 01:48:55.862 --> 01:48:56.830 LEADING ROLE IN ONGOING 01:48:56.897 --> 01:48:58.098 ANTITRUST LITIGATION INVOLVING 01:48:58.164 --> 01:48:59.833 THE TICKETING INDUSTRY, AND THE 01:48:59.900 --> 01:49:01.201 GOVERNOR HAS RECENTLY PROPOSED 01:49:01.268 --> 01:49:02.335 ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR THE 01:49:02.402 --> 01:49:03.570 ATTORNEY GENERAL TO CONTINUE 01:49:03.637 --> 01:49:05.572 THEIR IMPORTANT WORK. FOR THAT 01:49:05.639 --> 01:49:06.606 REASON, WE BELIEVE ALL 01:49:06.673 --> 01:49:08.375 TICKETING LEGISLATION SHOULD BE 01:49:08.441 --> 01:49:09.776 EVALUATED THROUGH THE LENS OF 01:49:09.843 --> 01:49:11.678 HOW IT MAY AFFECT ONGOING 01:49:11.745 --> 01:49:13.446 LITIGATION AND FUTURE REMEDIES. 01:49:13.513 --> 01:49:15.181 AS POLICY MAKERS, WE SHOULD BE 01:49:15.248 --> 01:49:16.750 CAREFUL NOT TO INADVERTENTLY 01:49:16.816 --> 01:49:18.451 CODIFY BUSINESS PRACTICES THAT 01:49:18.518 --> 01:49:19.853 ARE CURRENTLY BEING CHALLENGED 01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:20.954 OR UNDERMINE CALIFORNIA'S 01:49:21.021 --> 01:49:22.856 CONSUMER PROTECTIONS AND 01:49:22.923 --> 01:49:24.758 ANTITRUST ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS. 01:49:24.824 --> 01:49:26.159 BASED ON THE RECENT AMENDMENTS, 01:49:26.226 --> 01:49:27.894 CLEAR BELIEVES THE BILL IS 01:49:27.961 --> 01:49:29.029 MOVING MORE INTO A CONSUMER 01:49:29.095 --> 01:49:31.131 FRIENDLY DIRECTION. WE ARE 01:49:31.197 --> 01:49:32.299 PARTICULARLY ENCOURAGED BY 01:49:32.365 --> 01:49:33.366 PROVISIONS ADDRESSING 01:49:33.433 --> 01:49:35.335 SPECULATIVE TICKETING, SALES 01:49:35.402 --> 01:49:36.903 AND FRAUD WHILE PRESERVING 01:49:36.970 --> 01:49:38.371 IMPORTANT CONSUMER PROTECTIONS. 01:49:38.438 --> 01:49:40.106 WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE ADDITION 01:49:40.173 --> 01:49:43.009 OF SECTION 22502.6, WHICH 01:49:43.076 --> 01:49:44.344 PROTECTS TICKET BUYERS AND 01:49:44.411 --> 01:49:46.246 RESELLERS FROM RETALIATION. 01:49:46.313 --> 01:49:47.414 THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE ESSENTIAL 01:49:47.480 --> 01:49:49.082 TO PROMOTING COMPETITIVE 01:49:49.149 --> 01:49:50.583 COMPETITION IN A HIGHLY 01:49:50.650 --> 01:49:52.018 CONCENTRATED MARKET. TODAY, 01:49:52.085 --> 01:49:53.520 STATES SUCH AS NEW YORK, UTAH 01:49:53.586 --> 01:49:55.188 AND VIRGINIA PROVIDE SIMILAR 01:49:55.255 --> 01:49:56.957 PROTECTIONS FOR RESELLERS, AND 01:49:57.023 --> 01:49:58.391 SEVERAL STATES ALSO PROTECT 01:49:58.458 --> 01:49:59.893 CONSUMERS FROM RETALIATION FOR 01:49:59.960 --> 01:50:00.961 PURCHASING TICKETS ON THE 01:50:01.027 --> 01:50:02.896 SECONDARY MARKET. ONE OF THE 01:50:02.963 --> 01:50:04.164 CURRENT PROBLEMS WE ARE SEEING 01:50:04.230 --> 01:50:06.032 WITH THE WORLD CUP IS A DELAY 01:50:06.099 --> 01:50:07.534 BY THE PRIMARY TICKET SELLER IN 01:50:07.600 --> 01:50:08.535 ALLOWING TICKETS TO BE 01:50:08.601 --> 01:50:10.470 TRANSFERRED, SOMETIMES NOT 01:50:10.537 --> 01:50:11.805 UNTIL THE DAY OF THE GAME OR 01:50:11.871 --> 01:50:13.640 EVEN AFTER THE GAME HAS BEGUN. 01:50:13.707 --> 01:50:15.475 WE BELIEVE THERE IS STILL AN 01:50:15.542 --> 01:50:16.109 OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER 01:50:16.176 --> 01:50:17.243 STRENGTHEN THIS SECTION BY 01:50:17.310 --> 01:50:19.079 ENSURING TICKETS ARE 01:50:19.145 --> 01:50:20.447 TRANSFERRED, WHICH IS WHAT THE 01:50:20.513 --> 01:50:21.881 STATE OF NEW YORK DOES, AND TO 01:50:21.948 --> 01:50:24.351 REQUIRE THIS TO HAPPEN WITHIN 01:50:24.417 --> 01:50:25.785 24 TO 72 HOURS OF PURCHASE 01:50:25.852 --> 01:50:27.187 TOGETHER, GIVEN CONSUMERS A 01:50:27.253 --> 01:50:28.755 CLEAR RIGHT TO TRANSFER THEIR 01:50:28.822 --> 01:50:30.523 TICKETS AND GUARANTEEING THEIR 01:50:30.590 --> 01:50:31.491 CUSTOMERS RECEIVE THEM BEFORE 01:50:31.558 --> 01:50:33.360 AN EVENT BEGINS WOULD EMPOWER 01:50:33.426 --> 01:50:35.628 BUYERS AND SELLERS WITH GREATER 01:50:35.695 --> 01:50:36.696 FLEXIBILITY AND ACCESS TO THE 01:50:36.763 --> 01:50:38.298 FULL MARKETPLACE. WE APPRECIATE 01:50:38.365 --> 01:50:40.533 THE CHAIR, THE COMMITTEE STAFF 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:41.634 AND THE AUTHOR FOR THEIR 01:50:41.701 --> 01:50:42.635 THOUGHTFUL ENGAGEMENT AND LOOK 01:50:42.702 --> 01:50:44.471 FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK 01:50:44.537 --> 01:50:46.106 WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS 01:50:46.172 --> 01:50:49.009 BILL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND 01:50:49.075 --> 01:50:50.010 MEMBERS. AUSTIN HAYWORTH. ON 01:50:50.076 --> 01:50:51.344 BEHALF OF INTERNET WORKS, WE 01:50:51.411 --> 01:50:52.512 HAVE AN OPPOSING AMENDED 01:50:52.579 --> 01:50:55.382 POSITION ON AB 1349. WE'RE 01:50:55.448 --> 01:50:56.449 SUPPORTIVE OF THE BAN ON 01:50:56.516 --> 01:50:57.550 SPECULATIVE TICKET SALES IN THE 01:50:57.617 --> 01:50:58.718 BILL, AND DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE 01:50:58.785 --> 01:51:00.387 OF THE WORK THAT THE SENATE 01:51:00.453 --> 01:51:01.454 COMMITTEE HAS DONE AND THE 01:51:01.521 --> 01:51:03.056 AUTHORS AGREED TO, WHICH WOULD 01:51:03.123 --> 01:51:03.923 REMOVE THE PROVISIONS THAT 01:51:03.990 --> 01:51:04.824 WOULD HAVE CODIFIED 01:51:04.891 --> 01:51:06.192 TICKETMASTER'S TERMS, TERMS AND 01:51:06.259 --> 01:51:08.695 CONDITIONS INTO CALIFORNIA LAW. 01:51:08.762 --> 01:51:09.796 TICKETMASTER, WHICH CURRENTLY 01:51:09.863 --> 01:51:10.964 CONTROLS APPROXIMATELY 80% OF 01:51:11.031 --> 01:51:12.832 THE PRIMARY AND OVER HALF HALF 01:51:12.899 --> 01:51:14.134 OF THE RESALE MARKETPLACE, HAS 01:51:14.200 --> 01:51:15.535 PUSHED THOSE SAME PROVISIONS IN 01:51:15.602 --> 01:51:17.404 25 STATES. EVER SINCE THE 01:51:17.470 --> 01:51:19.139 LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY THE BIDEN 01:51:19.205 --> 01:51:21.007 ADMINISTRATION AND 40 STATE AGS. 01:51:21.074 --> 01:51:22.776 THAT LAWSUIT WAS ULTIMATELY 01:51:22.842 --> 01:51:24.077 CONTINUED AND WON BY CALIFORNIA 01:51:24.144 --> 01:51:26.112 AND 30 OTHER STATE ATTORNEYS 01:51:26.179 --> 01:51:28.148 GENERAL, AND PROMISES TO REMAKE 01:51:28.214 --> 01:51:29.749 THE EVENT TICKETING MARKETPLACE 01:51:29.816 --> 01:51:31.718 AFTER THE REMEDIES PHASE ENSUES 01:51:31.785 --> 01:51:32.852 EARLY NEXT YEAR. IT CAN'T 01:51:32.919 --> 01:51:35.221 HAPPEN TOO SOON. INTERNET WORKS 01:51:35.288 --> 01:51:36.222 WILL CONTINUE TO WORK DURING 01:51:36.289 --> 01:51:37.957 THE REMAINING PROCESS ON THE 01:51:38.024 --> 01:51:38.792 TECHNICAL CLARIFICATIONS, SUCH 01:51:38.858 --> 01:51:40.193 AS CLARITY BETWEEN ACTORS AND 01:51:40.260 --> 01:51:41.795 THE DEFINITIONS, AND TO MAKE 01:51:41.861 --> 01:51:43.363 SURE THAT THE URL PROVISIONS IN 01:51:43.430 --> 01:51:44.464 THE BILL ARE CONSISTENT WITH 01:51:44.531 --> 01:51:46.166 EXISTING TRADE TRADEMARK LAW. 01:51:46.232 --> 01:51:47.567 TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE 01:51:47.634 --> 01:51:48.701 PENALTIES CONSISTENT WITH THE 01:51:48.768 --> 01:51:50.036 MARKETPLACES ACTUAL CONTROL. 01:51:50.103 --> 01:51:51.604 THE BILL IS AMENDED. SENATE 01:51:51.671 --> 01:51:53.440 BILL WOULD ALSO PROHIBIT 01:51:53.506 --> 01:51:54.541 RETALIATION AGAINST A LAWFUL 01:51:54.607 --> 01:51:55.975 TRANSFER OF TICKET. WE WOULD 01:51:56.042 --> 01:51:57.811 LIKE TO SEE THE TERM DEFINED, 01:51:57.877 --> 01:51:59.012 SINCE THERE IS NO RIGHT RIGHT 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:00.847 TO A LAWFUL AND MUCH LESS A 01:52:00.914 --> 01:52:01.815 TIMELY TRANSFER UNDER 01:52:01.881 --> 01:52:02.916 CALIFORNIA LAW, AS THERE IS IN 01:52:02.982 --> 01:52:04.818 OTHER STATES SUCH AS NEW YORK. 01:52:04.884 --> 01:52:09.222 THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH. 01:52:09.289 --> 01:52:10.957 WE'LL NOW TURN TO ANYONE THAT 01:52:11.024 --> 01:52:12.392 WISHES TO REGISTER THEIR 01:52:12.459 --> 01:52:18.198 OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. ROBERT, 01:52:18.264 --> 01:52:23.169 IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. 01:52:23.236 --> 01:52:24.270 CHRISTOPHER SANCHEZ, ON BEHALF 01:52:24.337 --> 01:52:25.371 OF THE CONSUMER FEDERATION OF 01:52:25.438 --> 01:52:26.539 CALIFORNIA. RESPECTFUL 01:52:26.606 --> 01:52:30.076 OPPOSITION. AND JAMIE MINOR 01:52:30.143 --> 01:52:31.244 REGISTERING ON BEHALF OF OUR 01:52:31.311 --> 01:52:33.379 COLLEAGUES OVER AT GAME TIME, 01:52:33.446 --> 01:52:35.081 SEATGEEK AND TYPEKIT. TICK 01:52:35.148 --> 01:52:39.552 PICKS. THANK YOU. AND SEEING NO 01:52:39.619 --> 01:52:41.354 OTHER WITNESSES, WE'LL TURN TO 01:52:41.421 --> 01:52:44.057 THE COMMITTEE. ANY QUESTIONS OR 01:52:44.124 --> 01:52:47.794 COMMENTS, SENATOR MCNERNEY? 01:52:47.861 --> 01:52:49.262 OKAY, THIS IS KIND OF A FEEL 01:52:49.329 --> 01:52:50.930 GOOD BILL. REALLY? YOU DON'T 01:52:50.997 --> 01:52:54.534 LIKE SEEING PEOPLE RIP, TAKING 01:52:54.601 --> 01:52:57.403 ADVANTAGE OF TECHNOLOGY TO 01:52:57.470 --> 01:53:01.407 EXTORT HIGHER PRICES. SO WHAT 01:53:01.474 --> 01:53:02.742 WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THIS 01:53:02.809 --> 01:53:03.877 IS ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK? I 01:53:03.943 --> 01:53:05.812 MEAN, SUPPOSE THIS GETS PASSED 01:53:05.879 --> 01:53:08.414 AND SIGNED INTO LAW. IS IT 01:53:08.481 --> 01:53:09.949 GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN 01:53:10.016 --> 01:53:11.384 BE ENFORCED, OR IS IT GOING TO 01:53:11.451 --> 01:53:13.052 BE ANOTHER LAW ON THE BOOKS 01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:15.188 THAT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING? 01:53:15.255 --> 01:53:16.556 NO, I THINK THIS WILL 01:53:16.623 --> 01:53:18.391 ABSOLUTELY BE ENFORCED. AND I 01:53:18.458 --> 01:53:19.459 THINK THAT IS WHY THE 01:53:19.526 --> 01:53:20.927 OPPOSITION IS STILL HERE. 01:53:20.994 --> 01:53:22.362 ALTHOUGH MANY HAVE HAVE PEELED 01:53:22.428 --> 01:53:23.897 OFF. I ALSO AM COMMITTED TO 01:53:23.963 --> 01:53:26.299 THIS ISSUE. SO IF LOOPHOLES ARE 01:53:26.366 --> 01:53:27.400 EXPLOITED AND THERE ARE GAPS 01:53:27.467 --> 01:53:29.068 THAT ARE PROVEN, LIKE HAS 01:53:29.135 --> 01:53:30.336 HAPPENED IN ARIZONA, WHERE THEY 01:53:30.403 --> 01:53:31.704 FIND CREATIVE WAYS TO CONTINUE 01:53:31.771 --> 01:53:32.972 TO ALLOW THIS PRACTICE TO 01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:34.507 CONTINUE, THEN YOU AND I WILL 01:53:34.574 --> 01:53:35.642 BE RIGHT BACK HERE HAVING A 01:53:35.708 --> 01:53:37.410 CONVERSATION ON HOW WE CLOSE 01:53:37.477 --> 01:53:38.945 THOSE LOOPHOLES. ALL RIGHT. 01:53:39.012 --> 01:53:41.748 WELL, THAT WAS MY MAJOR CONCERN. 01:53:41.814 --> 01:53:42.982 WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT 01:53:43.049 --> 01:53:44.918 THE FIRST TIME. AND SO WE SPENT 01:53:44.984 --> 01:53:46.753 A LOT OF HOURS WITH THIS 01:53:46.819 --> 01:53:47.754 COMMITTEE. WE WENT THROUGH 01:53:47.820 --> 01:53:48.821 THREE POLICY COMMITTEES ON THE 01:53:48.888 --> 01:53:49.923 ASSEMBLY SIDE. WE'RE GOING TO 01:53:49.989 --> 01:53:51.724 GO THROUGH THE GANTLET ON THE 01:53:51.791 --> 01:53:53.459 SENATE SIDE. IN ADDITION, THE 01:53:53.526 --> 01:53:54.561 OPPOSITION'S CONVERSATIONS 01:53:54.627 --> 01:53:56.029 ABOUT THE DOJ AND THEIR 01:53:56.095 --> 01:53:57.530 ANTITRUST LITIGATION, I 01:53:57.597 --> 01:53:58.565 PERSONALLY SPENT HOURS AND 01:53:58.631 --> 01:54:00.567 HOURS WITH THE DOJ ON THIS BILL, 01:54:00.633 --> 01:54:02.101 INCLUDING AS RECENTLY AS 01:54:02.168 --> 01:54:03.536 SATURDAY NIGHT. AND SO WE ARE 01:54:03.603 --> 01:54:05.338 PUTTING THE WORK IN TO MAKE 01:54:05.405 --> 01:54:06.506 SURE THAT THIS IS DONE RIGHT. 01:54:06.573 --> 01:54:14.314 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SENATOR 01:54:14.380 --> 01:54:16.049 PADILLA IS MOVING IN THE 01:54:16.115 --> 01:54:17.784 CORRECT DIRECTION. APPRECIATE 01:54:17.850 --> 01:54:19.385 THE WORK IS ARTICULATED. THE 01:54:19.452 --> 01:54:20.720 AUTHOR TAKEN AMENDS. MOVING IT 01:54:20.787 --> 01:54:21.888 FORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE 01:54:21.955 --> 01:54:25.091 BILL, SENATOR. WHEN THIS 01:54:25.158 --> 01:54:27.660 COMMITTEE WAS CREATED, I WAS 01:54:27.727 --> 01:54:28.795 GETTING ALL SUITED UP TO BE 01:54:28.861 --> 01:54:30.964 ABLE TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM AI 01:54:31.030 --> 01:54:32.732 AND ROBOTS TAKING EVERYTHING 01:54:32.799 --> 01:54:34.434 OVER. AND THE FIRST FIVE 01:54:34.500 --> 01:54:37.370 MEETINGS I HAD WERE ON 01:54:37.437 --> 01:54:38.538 TICKETING FOR DE LA SOUL AND 01:54:38.605 --> 01:54:43.943 TAYLOR SWIFT. AND SO I, I WAS 01:54:44.010 --> 01:54:45.678 GOING TO SAY, I APPRECIATE THE 01:54:45.745 --> 01:54:46.813 BILL BEING HERE, BUT I KNOW 01:54:46.879 --> 01:54:48.681 THERE'LL BE MORE LATER AND MORE 01:54:48.748 --> 01:54:49.882 NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT 01:54:49.949 --> 01:54:52.018 THE LAST WEEK WHEN THE BILL 01:54:52.085 --> 01:54:53.953 ARRIVED AT OUR DESK. JUST FULL 01:54:54.020 --> 01:54:56.456 DISCLOSURE, I'M THE I'M THE THE 01:54:56.522 --> 01:54:57.924 ACTUAL LEGAL PROFESSOR IN THE 01:54:57.991 --> 01:54:59.158 SENATE. SO I READ EVERY SINGLE 01:54:59.225 --> 01:55:00.760 REFEREED JOURNAL ARTICLE ON 01:55:00.827 --> 01:55:03.029 TICKETING AROUND THE WORLD FOR 01:55:03.096 --> 01:55:05.932 THE LAST FIVE DAYS, ALL 72 OF 01:55:05.999 --> 01:55:09.035 THEM SINCE 2022, TRYING TO MAKE 01:55:09.102 --> 01:55:11.037 SENSE OF ALL THE CLAIMS AND ALL 01:55:11.104 --> 01:55:12.772 THE PRIOR LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS 01:55:12.839 --> 01:55:14.407 AND WHAT AND WHAT THEY WHAT 01:55:14.474 --> 01:55:15.808 THEY ALL MEAN. AND I DIDN'T 01:55:15.875 --> 01:55:17.477 WALK AWAY WITH A WHOLE LOT OF 01:55:17.543 --> 01:55:18.611 OPTIMISM AND HOPE AROUND THE 01:55:18.678 --> 01:55:21.314 LARGER SET OF ISSUES, AND IN 01:55:21.381 --> 01:55:23.283 PART BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS BECOME 01:55:23.349 --> 01:55:25.251 CLEAR TO ME THAT A LOT OF THIS 01:55:25.318 --> 01:55:26.486 IS IT'S ART, IT'S CULTURAL. AND 01:55:26.552 --> 01:55:28.254 IT'S A PROBLEM FOR US, LIKE 01:55:28.321 --> 01:55:30.023 JAPAN AND KOREA, FRANCE, THEY 01:55:30.089 --> 01:55:32.091 THEY HAVE LAWS THAT MATCH THEIR 01:55:32.158 --> 01:55:34.193 CULTURAL NORMS, WHICH ARE 01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:35.528 ALMOST NEVER ENFORCED BECAUSE 01:55:35.595 --> 01:55:37.797 THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE WHERE IN 01:55:37.864 --> 01:55:38.931 MANY OF THESE PLACES, MANY 01:55:38.998 --> 01:55:42.135 PLACES FOLKS, DON'T THEY, THEY, 01:55:42.201 --> 01:55:43.569 THEIR, THEIR PREFERENCE IS THAT 01:55:43.636 --> 01:55:46.472 THE TICKET PRICES BE CHEAP. BUT 01:55:46.539 --> 01:55:47.940 BUT IT'S A LOTTERY WHETHER YOU 01:55:48.007 --> 01:55:50.209 GET TO GO OR NOT. HERE, WE WANT 01:55:50.276 --> 01:55:52.111 THEM TO BE CHEAP, BUT WE ALSO 01:55:52.178 --> 01:55:53.913 WANT TO GO NO MATTER WHAT. AND 01:55:53.980 --> 01:55:55.882 WE WANT. AND THEREFORE IT'S 01:55:55.948 --> 01:55:58.051 IT'S ACCEPTABLE HERE IN A WAY 01:55:58.117 --> 01:55:59.419 THAT IT ISN'T IN MANY OTHER 01:55:59.485 --> 01:56:01.654 COUNTRIES FOR THIS ENTIRE 01:56:01.721 --> 01:56:03.089 SECONDARY MARKET AND BIDDING 01:56:03.156 --> 01:56:04.557 AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO OCCUR. 01:56:04.624 --> 01:56:06.059 AND SO THE LAWS ARE REALLY A 01:56:06.125 --> 01:56:07.160 REFLECTION OF THEIR CULTURE. 01:56:07.226 --> 01:56:08.895 AND SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO 01:56:08.961 --> 01:56:10.029 ASSESS ARE THEY WORKING 01:56:10.096 --> 01:56:12.498 COMPARED TO US? BECAUSE PEOPLE 01:56:12.565 --> 01:56:13.933 IT'S JUST VERY MUCH FROWNED 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:15.802 UPON IN MANY OF THESE OTHER 01:56:15.868 --> 01:56:17.637 COUNTRIES TO OFFER A TICKET FOR 01:56:17.704 --> 01:56:19.372 SALE ABOVE FACE PRICE OR TO BUY 01:56:19.439 --> 01:56:21.207 ONE. THAT'S NOT OUR NORM HERE. 01:56:21.274 --> 01:56:23.109 OUR NORM IS IN SOME SENSE QUITE 01:56:23.176 --> 01:56:24.177 THE OPPOSITE. LET'S GET YOU 01:56:24.243 --> 01:56:25.378 KNOW, I'M GOING TO THIS CONCERT 01:56:25.445 --> 01:56:27.380 COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, OR I'M 01:56:27.447 --> 01:56:29.182 GOING TO SELL IT. I WANT TO 01:56:29.248 --> 01:56:30.450 MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE. 01:56:30.516 --> 01:56:32.185 THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR OUR FOR 01:56:32.251 --> 01:56:33.219 OUR LEGAL STRUCTURE AND FOR 01:56:33.286 --> 01:56:35.121 ENFORCEMENT. AND WE DO HAVE A 01:56:35.188 --> 01:56:36.322 LOT OF LAWS ACTUALLY ON MANY OF 01:56:36.389 --> 01:56:38.224 THE TOPICS THAT ARE IN THIS 01:56:38.291 --> 01:56:39.292 BILL THAT AS TO SENATOR 01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:40.259 MCNULTY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, 01:56:40.326 --> 01:56:41.361 THERE ARE FOLKS FIND WAYS 01:56:41.427 --> 01:56:43.162 AROUND THEM. THEY ARE HARD TO 01:56:43.229 --> 01:56:44.230 ENFORCE. AND THAT'S WHY THE 01:56:44.297 --> 01:56:46.165 BILL IS IS BEFORE US. I AM 01:56:46.232 --> 01:56:47.367 GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL TODAY. 01:56:47.433 --> 01:56:49.168 I HEAR THE ISSUES AROUND THE 01:56:49.235 --> 01:56:50.303 LEGAL MARKET AND THE LAWFUL 01:56:50.370 --> 01:56:52.105 RIGHT TO TRANSFER AND ALL OF 01:56:52.171 --> 01:56:53.106 THAT. THOSE ARE IMPORTANT 01:56:53.172 --> 01:56:54.107 QUESTIONS. THEY'RE NOT THIS 01:56:54.173 --> 01:56:55.208 BILL, THOUGH, AND I WOULD 01:56:55.274 --> 01:56:56.209 ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO. WELL, 01:56:56.275 --> 01:56:57.377 ACTUALLY, NO, I DON'T ENCOURAGE 01:56:57.443 --> 01:56:59.212 YOU, BUT IF YOU DO ANOTHER BILL 01:56:59.278 --> 01:57:00.279 ON THAT TOPIC, YOU KNOW, WE 01:57:00.346 --> 01:57:02.281 WILL SEE IT HERE AND WE'LL GET 01:57:02.348 --> 01:57:04.250 ITS FAIR HEARING AND DEBATE AS 01:57:04.317 --> 01:57:06.486 WELL. BUT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE 01:57:06.552 --> 01:57:08.588 A MAJOR CHANGE TO THIS BILL FOR 01:57:08.654 --> 01:57:10.823 IT TO TO BECOME ABOUT 01:57:10.890 --> 01:57:12.291 ESTABLISHING A LEGAL RIGHT TO, 01:57:12.358 --> 01:57:13.893 TO, TO, TO A TICKET TRANSFER 01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:15.027 AND TO TIMELINESS AND ALL OF 01:57:15.094 --> 01:57:17.230 THAT. THAT'S NOT HERE. SO WE 01:57:17.296 --> 01:57:18.264 HAVE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION AT 01:57:18.331 --> 01:57:19.832 THE COMMITTEE TO THE 01:57:19.899 --> 01:57:20.833 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS 01:57:20.900 --> 01:57:22.335 LEGISLATION AND ITS POTENTIAL 01:57:22.402 --> 01:57:24.804 RELATIONSHIP TO THE ONGOING 01:57:24.871 --> 01:57:26.372 LITIGATION TO TRY TO ASSURE, AS 01:57:26.439 --> 01:57:27.807 THE AUTHOR HAS AS WELL, TO 01:57:27.874 --> 01:57:29.942 ASSURE THAT THAT THERE ARE NO 01:57:30.009 --> 01:57:30.943 CONFLICTS, THAT WE'RE ASSURING 01:57:31.010 --> 01:57:32.345 THAT WE'RE STILL MAXIMIZING THE 01:57:32.412 --> 01:57:34.213 THE SCOPE OF THE POTENTIAL 01:57:34.280 --> 01:57:35.615 LITIGATION TO THE EXTENT THAT 01:57:35.681 --> 01:57:37.283 THAT THAT THE RESULTS ARE WHAT 01:57:37.350 --> 01:57:39.252 ARE LARGELY ANTICIPATED. BUT 01:57:39.318 --> 01:57:40.853 GIVEN THAT THE AUTHOR HAS DONE 01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:42.755 A LOT OF WORK IN ORDER TO 01:57:42.822 --> 01:57:43.923 ADVANCE THAT AS WELL. SO THERE 01:57:43.990 --> 01:57:45.758 ARE A SET OF AMENDMENTS THAT 01:57:45.825 --> 01:57:46.893 ARE PROPOSED HERE THAT WOULD BE 01:57:46.959 --> 01:57:48.795 TAKEN IF THE MOTION IF THE DO 01:57:48.861 --> 01:57:49.929 PASS MOTION PREVAILS TODAY, THE 01:57:49.996 --> 01:57:51.731 BILL WILL GO ON TO THE 01:57:51.798 --> 01:57:52.732 JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, AND THE 01:57:52.799 --> 01:57:54.700 AMENDMENTS WILL BE TAKEN THERE 01:57:54.767 --> 01:57:55.535 SIMPLY BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE 01:57:55.601 --> 01:57:56.969 MEETS TOMORROW. WE DON'T HAVE 01:57:57.036 --> 01:57:58.337 TIME TO PROCESS THEM IN BETWEEN. 01:57:58.404 --> 01:57:59.739 AND SO WITH THAT, I'M 01:57:59.806 --> 01:58:01.340 RECOMMENDING AND I VOTE AS WELL. 01:58:01.407 --> 01:58:04.944 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM SENATOR 01:58:05.011 --> 01:58:07.680 PADILLA AND ASSEMBLYMEMBER 01:58:07.747 --> 01:58:09.182 BRIAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? 01:58:09.248 --> 01:58:11.317 ABSOLUTELY. I FIRST WANT TO SAY 01:58:11.384 --> 01:58:12.819 IN THE SIX SESSIONS I'VE BEEN 01:58:12.885 --> 01:58:13.986 HERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE 01:58:14.053 --> 01:58:16.389 EVER TESTIFIED WITH OPPOSITION 01:58:16.456 --> 01:58:17.423 WITNESSES WHO I RESPECT MORE 01:58:17.490 --> 01:58:19.058 GREATLY THAN THE BOTH WHO ARE 01:58:19.125 --> 01:58:20.193 SITTING HERE AND MANY OF THE 01:58:20.259 --> 01:58:21.227 CONCESSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN 01:58:21.294 --> 01:58:23.062 OFFERED IN THIS BILL TODAY ARE 01:58:23.129 --> 01:58:24.163 IN PART BECAUSE OF THEIR 01:58:24.230 --> 01:58:26.032 EFFECTIVE ADVOCACY IN 01:58:26.098 --> 01:58:27.033 COMMUNICATING WHAT IS A 01:58:27.099 --> 01:58:28.968 DIFFICULT AND COMPLEX ISSUE. I 01:58:29.035 --> 01:58:30.303 WILL SAY, WHEN WE INTRODUCED 01:58:30.369 --> 01:58:31.704 THIS BILL TO BAN SPECULATIVE 01:58:31.771 --> 01:58:33.339 TICKETING THREE WEEKS LATER, 01:58:33.406 --> 01:58:34.974 THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 01:58:35.041 --> 01:58:36.809 STATES DID AN EXECUTIVE ORDER 01:58:36.876 --> 01:58:38.678 BANNING SPECULATIVE TICKETING. 01:58:38.744 --> 01:58:40.513 HE COPIED ME, BUT IT BROUGHT 01:58:40.580 --> 01:58:42.181 DONALD TRUMP AND ISAAC BRYAN 01:58:42.248 --> 01:58:44.383 TOGETHER, WHICH WAS CRAZY. AND 01:58:44.450 --> 01:58:45.618 THEN WE MOVED THIS BILL OUT OF 01:58:45.685 --> 01:58:47.620 THE ASSEMBLY FLOOR. AND THAT 01:58:47.687 --> 01:58:49.722 AFTERNOON, GOVERNOR GAVIN 01:58:49.789 --> 01:58:51.591 NEWSOM TWEETED OUT THAT HE AND 01:58:51.657 --> 01:58:53.059 KID ROCK BOTH AGREE ON THIS 01:58:53.125 --> 01:58:56.128 ISSUE. I WILL SAY UP UNTIL THIS 01:58:56.195 --> 01:58:57.230 POINT, IT HAS BROUGHT ISAAC 01:58:57.296 --> 01:58:58.931 BRYAN, DONALD TRUMP, KID ROCK, 01:58:58.998 --> 01:59:00.233 GAVIN NEWSOM, DRAKE AND 01:59:00.299 --> 01:59:01.434 KENDRICK LAMAR, THE DODGERS AND 01:59:01.501 --> 01:59:03.503 THE GIANTS ALL TOGETHER AROUND 01:59:03.569 --> 01:59:05.538 A SINGULAR ISSUE. AND I 01:59:05.605 --> 01:59:08.908 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. 01:59:08.975 --> 01:59:10.276 ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I 01:59:10.343 --> 01:59:11.744 CERTAINLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, 01:59:11.811 --> 01:59:13.913 MR. BRYAN, TO TO HAVE SOME 01:59:13.980 --> 01:59:16.415 OTHER BILL IDEAS THEN FOR YOU. 01:59:16.482 --> 01:59:17.850 I'D APPRECIATE THAT. IF THERE'S 01:59:17.917 --> 01:59:20.219 NO FURTHER DEBATE, THEN PLEASE 01:59:20.286 --> 01:59:22.955 CALL THE ROLL ON AB 1349 TO 01:59:23.022 --> 01:59:25.391 PASS. MOTION IS TO PASS TO 01:59:25.458 --> 01:59:27.126 JUDICIARY. SENATORS. CABALDON 01:59:27.193 --> 01:59:30.096 CABALDON. AYE. CIERTO. GONZALEZ. 01:59:30.162 --> 01:59:33.032 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OCHOA. 01:59:33.099 --> 01:59:35.468 PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. REYES. 01:59:35.535 --> 01:59:38.905 REYES. AYE. UMBERG WIENER 4 TO 01:59:38.971 --> 01:59:42.141 0. THE VOTE IS 4 TO 0. MEASURE 01:59:42.208 --> 01:59:44.110 ON CALL. THANK YOU. THANKS TO 01:59:44.176 --> 01:59:45.177 EVERYONE. ALL THE WITNESSES ON 01:59:45.244 --> 01:59:55.688 THIS ITEM. ARE WE? ALL RIGHT? 01:59:55.755 --> 01:59:58.357 ASSEMBLY MEMBER HANEY IS NEXT 01:59:58.424 --> 02:00:04.430 IN FILE ORDER. ON. WELCOME. SO 02:00:04.497 --> 02:00:07.366 WE ARE ON FILE ITEM TEN AB 1720. 02:00:07.433 --> 02:00:09.235 AND MR. HANEY, PLEASE PROCEED 02:00:09.302 --> 02:00:10.870 WHEN YOU'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. 02:00:10.937 --> 02:00:14.307 MORE TICKETING. GOOD MORNING, 02:00:14.373 --> 02:00:17.209 MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS. AB 1720 02:00:17.276 --> 02:00:19.812 IS THE CALIFORNIA FANS FIRST 02:00:19.879 --> 02:00:21.981 ACT, WHICH WILL PROTECT FANS 02:00:22.048 --> 02:00:23.683 FROM EXCESSIVE TICKET PRICE 02:00:23.749 --> 02:00:25.184 GOUGING BY CAPPING RESALE 02:00:25.251 --> 02:00:27.053 PRICES AT NO MORE THAN 10% 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:28.487 ABOVE FACE VALUE, INCLUDING 02:00:28.554 --> 02:00:30.156 FEES FOR CONCERTS AND OTHER 02:00:30.222 --> 02:00:32.358 LIVE ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS AT 02:00:32.425 --> 02:00:34.460 INDEPENDENT VENUES. CALIFORNIA 02:00:34.527 --> 02:00:35.628 IS THE NUMBER ONE STATE FOR 02:00:35.695 --> 02:00:37.363 LIVE EVENTS IN THE NATION. 02:00:37.430 --> 02:00:39.765 THESE EVENTS GENERATE BILLIONS 02:00:39.832 --> 02:00:41.801 OF DOLLARS IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, 02:00:41.867 --> 02:00:43.002 SUPPORT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS 02:00:43.069 --> 02:00:44.136 OF JOBS, AND BRING CULTURE, 02:00:44.203 --> 02:00:45.538 COMMUNITY AND CONNECTION TO OUR 02:00:45.605 --> 02:00:47.773 STATE. FOR DECADES. FANS COULD 02:00:47.840 --> 02:00:49.041 ACCESS EVENTS IN A REALLY 02:00:49.108 --> 02:00:50.309 SIMPLE WAY. THEY WOULD LINE UP 02:00:50.376 --> 02:00:52.078 AT THE BOX OFFICE AND BUY 02:00:52.144 --> 02:00:53.512 TICKETS FOR SOME OF THE BIGGEST 02:00:53.579 --> 02:00:55.748 ACTS FOR REASONABLE PRICES, OR 02:00:55.815 --> 02:00:57.817 FOR THEIR FAVORITE PERFORMER AT 02:00:57.883 --> 02:00:59.819 COMMUNITY VENUES. BUT THE SHIFT 02:00:59.885 --> 02:01:01.120 TO ONLINE SALES HAS 02:01:01.187 --> 02:01:02.088 FUNDAMENTALLY, FUNDAMENTALLY 02:01:02.154 --> 02:01:03.956 CHANGED THE SYSTEM. TICKET 02:01:04.023 --> 02:01:05.758 SCALPING HAS BECOME A HIGHLY 02:01:05.825 --> 02:01:07.193 PROFITABLE INDUSTRIALIZED 02:01:07.259 --> 02:01:08.661 SCHEME THAT IS PRICING FANS OUT 02:01:08.728 --> 02:01:10.429 OF THE MARKET AND HURTING 02:01:10.496 --> 02:01:12.064 INDEPENDENT VENUES AND ARTISTS. 02:01:12.131 --> 02:01:13.366 IF WHAT'S HAPPENING ONLINE 02:01:13.432 --> 02:01:15.167 TODAY HAPPENED IN PERSON, IT 02:01:15.234 --> 02:01:16.902 WOULD IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY 02:01:16.969 --> 02:01:18.037 UNACCEPTABLE AND IN MANY CASES, 02:01:18.104 --> 02:01:19.505 ALREADY ILLEGAL. IMAGINE IF YOU 02:01:19.572 --> 02:01:21.440 WENT TO THE SHOW AND LINED UP 02:01:21.507 --> 02:01:23.242 AT THE BOX OFFICE, AND THE 02:01:23.309 --> 02:01:24.443 PERSON IN FRONT OF YOU BOUGHT 02:01:24.510 --> 02:01:26.312 UP A LARGE NUMBER OF TICKETS AT 02:01:26.379 --> 02:01:27.413 A REASONABLE PRICE THAT YOU 02:01:27.480 --> 02:01:29.248 WERE WILLING TO PAY, AND THEN 02:01:29.315 --> 02:01:30.249 IMMEDIATELY STARTED GOING DOWN 02:01:30.316 --> 02:01:31.717 THE LINE AND SELLING THE FEW 02:01:31.784 --> 02:01:33.486 REMAINING TICKETS AT 5 OR 6 02:01:33.552 --> 02:01:34.654 TIMES THE PRICE THEY ACTUALLY 02:01:34.720 --> 02:01:36.555 PAID. WE WOULD NEVER TOLERATE 02:01:36.622 --> 02:01:38.190 IT. IN SOME CASES, THAT PERSON 02:01:38.257 --> 02:01:40.292 WOULD BE ARRESTED. AND 02:01:40.359 --> 02:01:41.594 UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS EXACTLY 02:01:41.661 --> 02:01:43.629 WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY ONLINE 02:01:43.696 --> 02:01:45.898 AT A MUCH LARGER SCALE, 02:01:45.965 --> 02:01:46.832 PROFESSIONAL SCALPERS PURCHASED 02:01:46.899 --> 02:01:48.367 LARGE VOLUMES OF TICKETS THE 02:01:48.434 --> 02:01:49.802 MOMENT THEY GO ON SALE AND 02:01:49.869 --> 02:01:50.503 IMMEDIATELY LIST THEM ON 02:01:50.569 --> 02:01:51.904 SECONDARY PLATFORMS, THEY HAVE 02:01:51.971 --> 02:01:54.440 NO INTENTION TO ATTEND THE 02:01:54.507 --> 02:01:57.543 EVENT. THEY ARE SPECULATING AND 02:01:57.610 --> 02:02:00.179 GAMBLING ON THESE TICKET PRICES, 02:02:00.246 --> 02:02:02.314 EXPECTING THEM TO DRIVE UP IN 02:02:02.381 --> 02:02:03.949 PRICE SO THAT THEY CAN POCKET 02:02:04.016 --> 02:02:05.284 THE PROFITS, IN MANY CASES, 02:02:05.351 --> 02:02:06.986 CREATING SCARCITY THAT ACTUALLY 02:02:07.053 --> 02:02:08.587 LEADS THOSE TICKETS TO INCREASE 02:02:08.654 --> 02:02:10.756 IN PRICE. AS A RESULT, OVER 90% 02:02:10.823 --> 02:02:12.558 OF RESALE TICKETS ARE SOLD BY 02:02:12.625 --> 02:02:13.726 THESE PROFESSIONAL SCALPERS, 02:02:13.793 --> 02:02:15.027 AND FANS ARE PAYING ON AVERAGE, 02:02:15.094 --> 02:02:17.096 OVER 200% ABOVE FACE VALUE FOR 02:02:17.163 --> 02:02:19.298 TICKETS ON THE SECONDARY MARKET 02:02:19.365 --> 02:02:21.000 IN SAN FRANCISCO, WE RECENTLY 02:02:21.067 --> 02:02:23.202 HAD A 12 SHOW RESIDENCY AT THE 02:02:23.269 --> 02:02:25.104 CASTRO THEATER, WHICH HAD 02:02:25.171 --> 02:02:27.506 OPENED WITH SAM SMITH. THEY 02:02:27.573 --> 02:02:29.075 WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS 02:02:29.141 --> 02:02:30.609 WAS AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE 02:02:30.676 --> 02:02:32.044 FOR FANS, SO THE TICKETS WERE 02:02:32.111 --> 02:02:33.779 SOLD AND LISTED AT A FACE VALUE 02:02:33.846 --> 02:02:36.282 OF $120. MOST OF THOSE TICKETS 02:02:36.348 --> 02:02:38.050 WERE IMMEDIATELY PURCHASED AND 02:02:38.117 --> 02:02:39.985 THEN RE LISTED ON SECONDARY 02:02:40.052 --> 02:02:42.688 SITES FOR 600 OR $700. THAT 02:02:42.755 --> 02:02:45.091 DIFFERENCE OF $400 OR $500 WENT 02:02:45.157 --> 02:02:46.325 IN THE POCKETS OF PROFESSIONAL 02:02:46.392 --> 02:02:47.727 SCALPERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE OUT 02:02:47.793 --> 02:02:49.061 OF STATE AND CONTRIBUTED 02:02:49.128 --> 02:02:50.563 NOTHING TO THAT LIVE EVENT. 02:02:50.629 --> 02:02:51.964 THEY DO NOT BUILD VENUES, THEY 02:02:52.031 --> 02:02:53.733 DO NOT EMPLOY WORKERS, AND THEY 02:02:53.799 --> 02:02:55.167 DO NOT CREATE ART. YET THEY ARE 02:02:55.234 --> 02:02:57.670 EXTRACTING PROFIT FROM 02:02:57.737 --> 02:03:00.206 FANS AND LEECHING OFF OF THE 02:03:00.272 --> 02:03:02.742 WORK AND ART OF THOSE WHO 02:03:02.808 --> 02:03:04.143 CREATE THESE VENUES AND CREATE 02:03:04.210 --> 02:03:06.245 THE ART. I DO WANT TO SAY, 02:03:06.312 --> 02:03:07.713 BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS HAS 02:03:07.780 --> 02:03:09.648 COME COME UP, THAT WE ALSO HAVE 02:03:09.715 --> 02:03:10.649 TO ADDRESS THE POWERFUL 02:03:10.716 --> 02:03:11.717 MONOPOLY OF LIVE NATION AND 02:03:11.784 --> 02:03:13.886 TICKETMASTER. THERE IS A CASE 02:03:13.953 --> 02:03:15.654 THAT WILL THAT WILL DECIDE 02:03:15.721 --> 02:03:17.456 SIGNIFICANT STEPS THAT NEED TO 02:03:17.523 --> 02:03:19.291 BE TAKEN FOR THAT. BUT A KEY 02:03:19.358 --> 02:03:20.726 CONCLUSION FROM THE ASSEMBLY 02:03:20.793 --> 02:03:21.427 PRIVACY COMMITTEE'S 02:03:21.494 --> 02:03:22.495 INFORMATIONAL HEARING ON 02:03:22.561 --> 02:03:23.662 TICKETING WAS THAT THE CURRENT 02:03:23.729 --> 02:03:24.964 ONGOING EFFORTS TO BREAK UP 02:03:25.030 --> 02:03:26.098 LIVE NATION ARE SEPARATE FROM 02:03:26.165 --> 02:03:27.533 REFORMING THE SECONDARY MARKET, 02:03:27.600 --> 02:03:29.368 AND BOTH CAN COEXIST. IT IS 02:03:29.435 --> 02:03:30.836 ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSCORE 02:03:30.903 --> 02:03:32.271 HERE THAT THIS BILL NOW IS 02:03:32.338 --> 02:03:33.806 LIMITED TO INDEPENDENT VENUES 02:03:33.873 --> 02:03:36.142 THAT ARE UNDER 3000 PERSON 02:03:36.208 --> 02:03:37.943 CAPACITY. THESE INDEPENDENT 02:03:38.010 --> 02:03:40.112 VENUES ARE THE COMPETITION TO 02:03:40.179 --> 02:03:41.881 LIVE NATION, AND THEY SUPPORT 02:03:41.947 --> 02:03:43.349 THIS BILL. THEY SPONSOR THIS 02:03:43.415 --> 02:03:44.550 BILL, AND THEY DESPERATELY NEED 02:03:44.617 --> 02:03:46.585 IT IN ORDER TO SURVIVE AND 02:03:46.652 --> 02:03:48.154 COMPETE WITH LIVE NATION. THERE 02:03:48.220 --> 02:03:49.855 ARE MORE THAN A DOZEN STATES 02:03:49.922 --> 02:03:52.725 ATTEMPTING TO CAP TO CAP RESALE 02:03:52.792 --> 02:03:54.260 TICKETS PRICES THIS YEAR, 02:03:54.326 --> 02:03:55.327 INCLUDING NEW YORK, WISCONSIN, 02:03:55.394 --> 02:03:56.662 WASHINGTON AND VERMONT. BILL 02:03:56.729 --> 02:03:58.531 WAS RECENTLY SIGNED INTO LAW. 02:03:58.597 --> 02:04:00.032 THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOR 02:04:00.099 --> 02:04:01.500 FANS, FOR VENUES AND FOR 02:04:01.567 --> 02:04:03.169 ARTISTS, AND IT IS CRITICAL FOR 02:04:03.235 --> 02:04:05.070 OUR ECONOMY AND FOR OUR CULTURE. 02:04:05.137 --> 02:04:07.206 AND WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO ALLOW 02:04:07.273 --> 02:04:09.408 FOLKS TO SCAM THE SYSTEM, DRIVE 02:04:09.475 --> 02:04:11.811 UP PRICES AND HURT VENUES AND 02:04:11.877 --> 02:04:13.712 ARTISTS. WITH ME TO TESTIFY IN 02:04:13.779 --> 02:04:15.047 SUPPORT OF THIS BILL ARE RANDY 02:04:15.114 --> 02:04:16.148 NICHOLS, THE ARTIST MANAGER AT 02:04:16.215 --> 02:04:17.950 FLY SOUTH MUSIC AND A BOARD 02:04:18.017 --> 02:04:18.951 MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL 02:04:19.018 --> 02:04:19.785 INDEPENDENT TALENT ORGANIZATION, 02:04:19.852 --> 02:04:21.353 AND ALEX TORRES, ON BEHALF OF 02:04:21.420 --> 02:04:23.823 THE NATIONAL INDEPENDENT VENUES 02:04:23.889 --> 02:04:27.126 ASSOCIATION. WELCOME TO YOU 02:04:27.193 --> 02:04:29.061 BOTH. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, 02:04:29.128 --> 02:04:30.362 KAREN MEMBERS. ALEX TORRES HERE 02:04:30.429 --> 02:04:31.630 ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL 02:04:31.697 --> 02:04:32.464 INDEPENDENT VENUE ASSOCIATION 02:04:32.531 --> 02:04:33.866 OF CALIFORNIA, WE REPRESENT 02:04:33.933 --> 02:04:35.968 OVER 650 INDEPENDENT VENUES, 02:04:36.035 --> 02:04:37.403 FESTIVAL PROMOTERS, NONPROFIT 02:04:37.469 --> 02:04:38.838 STAGES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. 02:04:38.904 --> 02:04:40.673 AND I'LL HAVE TO ADMIT, AS WE 02:04:40.739 --> 02:04:42.208 SAT THROUGH MULTIPLE COMMITTEE 02:04:42.274 --> 02:04:43.876 HEARINGS, IT'S A BIT PERPLEXING 02:04:43.943 --> 02:04:44.944 IN THIS DEBATE. AND THE 02:04:45.010 --> 02:04:46.378 COMMITTEE ANALYSIS WILL NOTE WE 02:04:46.445 --> 02:04:47.847 HEAR FROM BUSINESS 02:04:47.913 --> 02:04:48.981 ORGANIZATIONS, CHAMBERS OF 02:04:49.048 --> 02:04:49.915 COMMERCE, WHO SAY THEY SPEAK 02:04:49.982 --> 02:04:52.251 FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. THEY ALL 02:04:52.318 --> 02:04:53.919 OPPOSE THIS BILL. BUT I SIT 02:04:53.986 --> 02:04:55.821 HERE REPRESENTING 650 02:04:55.888 --> 02:04:57.389 INDEPENDENT CALIFORNIA SMALL 02:04:57.456 --> 02:04:59.158 BUSINESSES THAT OVERWHELMINGLY 02:04:59.225 --> 02:05:00.793 SUPPORT IT. SO I CAN'T HELP BUT 02:05:00.860 --> 02:05:02.628 ASK, IF NOT THESE SMALL 02:05:02.695 --> 02:05:03.929 BUSINESSES, THEN WHO ARE THESE? 02:05:03.996 --> 02:05:05.030 WHO ARE THESE ORGANIZATIONS 02:05:05.097 --> 02:05:07.299 SPEAKING FOR? NO ONE HAS SPENT 02:05:07.366 --> 02:05:08.367 MORE TIME COMPETING AGAINST 02:05:08.434 --> 02:05:09.468 LIVE NATION THAN THE VENUE 02:05:09.535 --> 02:05:11.036 OWNERS SUPPORTING THIS BILL. 02:05:11.103 --> 02:05:12.071 MANY OF THEM THE SAME VENUE 02:05:12.137 --> 02:05:13.105 OWNERS, CAME BEFORE THIS 02:05:13.172 --> 02:05:14.506 LEGISLATURE DURING COVID TO 02:05:14.573 --> 02:05:15.641 FIGHT FOR THEIR BUSINESSES IN 02:05:15.708 --> 02:05:17.343 THE CALIFORNIA VENUES GRANT 02:05:17.409 --> 02:05:18.577 PROGRAM. THEY TESTIFIED ABOUT 02:05:18.644 --> 02:05:19.912 LIENS ON THEIR HOMES, MORTGAGES 02:05:19.979 --> 02:05:21.380 TIED TO THEIR BUSINESSES, AND 02:05:21.447 --> 02:05:22.748 THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING 02:05:22.815 --> 02:05:23.716 CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS THAT 02:05:23.782 --> 02:05:25.751 DEFINE THEIR COMMUNITIES. WE'VE 02:05:25.818 --> 02:05:27.119 ALSO HEARD THAT A RESALE PRICE 02:05:27.186 --> 02:05:28.888 CAP SOMEHOW HELPS LIVE NATION. 02:05:28.954 --> 02:05:30.356 TICKETMASTER INDEPENDENT VENUES 02:05:30.422 --> 02:05:31.790 HAVE AGAIN BEEN THE STRONGEST 02:05:31.857 --> 02:05:32.925 ADVOCATES IN THE COUNTRY FOR 02:05:32.992 --> 02:05:34.293 BREAKING UP LIVE NATION 02:05:34.360 --> 02:05:35.361 TICKETMASTER. SO WHY WOULD THE 02:05:35.427 --> 02:05:36.795 BUSINESSES LEADING THAT FIGHT 02:05:36.862 --> 02:05:38.097 SUDDENLY SUPPORT LEGISLATION 02:05:38.163 --> 02:05:39.665 THAT PROTECTS THEM? AND TO 02:05:39.732 --> 02:05:41.200 EMPHASIZE THE ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S 02:05:41.267 --> 02:05:42.234 POINT, THE U.S. SENATE 02:05:42.301 --> 02:05:43.769 SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS 02:05:43.836 --> 02:05:45.838 REPORT RELEASED BY SENATOR 02:05:45.905 --> 02:05:47.206 RICHARD BLUMENTHAL REACHED THE 02:05:47.273 --> 02:05:49.174 SAME CONCLUSION. THE REPORT 02:05:49.241 --> 02:05:50.442 CALLS FOR BREAKING UP LIVE 02:05:50.509 --> 02:05:53.012 NATION AND TICKETMASTER, AND 02:05:53.078 --> 02:05:54.513 RECOMMENDS CONGRESS ENACT A 02:05:54.580 --> 02:05:55.681 STATUTORY CAP ON SECONDARY 02:05:55.748 --> 02:05:57.650 TICKET RESALE PRICES TO REDUCE 02:05:57.716 --> 02:05:59.118 EXTREME MARKUPS AND DISCOURAGE 02:05:59.184 --> 02:06:01.020 INDUSTRIAL LEVEL RESALE, TICKET 02:06:01.086 --> 02:06:02.821 RESELLING AND SCALPING. THESE 02:06:02.888 --> 02:06:03.923 RECOMMENDATIONS AREN'T 02:06:03.989 --> 02:06:05.190 CONTRADICTORY. THEY'RE 02:06:05.257 --> 02:06:07.092 COMPLEMENTARY. BREAKING UP A 02:06:07.159 --> 02:06:08.360 MONOPOLY IN THE PRIMARY MARKET 02:06:08.427 --> 02:06:10.329 PROMOTES COMPETITION, A 02:06:10.396 --> 02:06:11.697 REASONABLE RESALE CAP IN THE 02:06:11.764 --> 02:06:13.265 SECONDARY MARKET PROTECTS 02:06:13.332 --> 02:06:15.367 CONSUMERS FROM EXCESSIVE 02:06:15.434 --> 02:06:16.435 SPECULATION. OUR SMALL 02:06:16.502 --> 02:06:17.436 BUSINESSES DON'T MAKE ANY 02:06:17.503 --> 02:06:18.537 PROFIT WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD 02:06:18.604 --> 02:06:20.439 FOR THREE, 4 OR 5 TIMES FACE 02:06:20.506 --> 02:06:22.274 VALUE. THAT MEANS LESS SHOWS IN 02:06:22.341 --> 02:06:23.609 COMMUNITIES, LESS BARTENDERS, 02:06:23.676 --> 02:06:25.244 SECURITY JANITORS. IT IMPACTS 02:06:25.311 --> 02:06:26.478 OUR ABILITY TO CONTINUE 02:06:26.545 --> 02:06:27.613 GENERATING ECONOMIC GROWTH 02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:28.981 THROUGHOUT CALIFORNIA 02:06:29.048 --> 02:06:30.482 COMMUNITIES. HOWEVER, THE 02:06:30.549 --> 02:06:31.850 RESALE PLATFORMS CLEAN UP. THEY 02:06:31.917 --> 02:06:33.118 MAKE BILLIONS IN PROFIT, WHILE 02:06:33.185 --> 02:06:34.486 FANS, SMALL BUSINESSES AND 02:06:34.553 --> 02:06:36.422 ARTISTS TAKE THE LOSS. WE 02:06:36.488 --> 02:06:37.456 RESPECTFULLY URGE YOUR VOTE. 02:06:37.523 --> 02:06:41.260 THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M RANDY 02:06:41.327 --> 02:06:43.062 NICHOLS, I'M AN ARTIST MANAGER 02:06:43.128 --> 02:06:44.430 AND A BOARD MEMBER OF THE 02:06:44.496 --> 02:06:46.632 NATIONAL INDEPENDENT TALENT 02:06:46.699 --> 02:06:48.067 ORGANIZATION. NITO REPRESENTS 02:06:48.133 --> 02:06:49.535 AGENTS AND MANAGERS WORKING 02:06:49.601 --> 02:06:52.104 WITH OVER 7500 ARTISTS WHO 02:06:52.171 --> 02:06:53.772 PERFORM IN VENUES FROM HARLOW'S 02:06:53.839 --> 02:06:55.975 IN SACRAMENTO TO SOFI STADIUM 02:06:56.041 --> 02:06:58.577 AND LÀ. WE WANT TO BE CRYSTAL 02:06:58.644 --> 02:07:01.113 CLEAR. AB 1720 HAS NOTHING TO 02:07:01.180 --> 02:07:02.915 DO WITH THE TICKETMASTER LIVE 02:07:02.982 --> 02:07:05.351 NATION MONOPOLY. IF A.G BONTA 02:07:05.417 --> 02:07:06.385 AND PARTNER STATES MOVE TO 02:07:06.452 --> 02:07:08.253 BREAK UP THAT MONOPOLY, WE 02:07:08.320 --> 02:07:10.756 STAND IN FULL SUPPORT. THE 02:07:10.823 --> 02:07:12.224 SECONDARY MARKET WILL CLAIM 02:07:12.291 --> 02:07:14.326 THEIR TICKETMASTER'S 02:07:14.393 --> 02:07:15.861 COMPETITION. THEY'RE LYING. 02:07:15.928 --> 02:07:19.064 THEY COMPETE WITH THE FANS. 02:07:19.131 --> 02:07:21.233 HERE'S HOW IT WORKS. BOTS BUY 02:07:21.300 --> 02:07:22.634 TICKETS FASTER THAN YOU CAN, 02:07:22.701 --> 02:07:24.403 THAN SCALPERS SELL YOU THE 02:07:24.470 --> 02:07:25.504 TICKETS YOU COULDN'T GET AT A 02:07:25.571 --> 02:07:28.073 MASSIVE MARKUP. THEN YOU HAVE 02:07:28.140 --> 02:07:30.242 ASTROTURF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE 02:07:30.309 --> 02:07:32.111 SPORTS FAN COALITION WHO CLAIM 02:07:32.177 --> 02:07:34.246 THAT THESE BILLS HURT CONSUMER 02:07:34.313 --> 02:07:35.881 CHOICE. THEY WON'T TELL YOU 02:07:35.948 --> 02:07:38.517 THAT STUBHUB FUNDED THEM 02:07:38.584 --> 02:07:39.585 RECENTLY. WITHIN THE PAST WEEK, 02:07:39.651 --> 02:07:40.986 THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN 02:07:41.053 --> 02:07:43.188 SCAMMED BY STUBHUB WITH WORLD 02:07:43.255 --> 02:07:46.058 CUP TICKETS, THE SPORTS FAN 02:07:46.125 --> 02:07:48.927 COALITION. SILENT SCALPERS WILL 02:07:48.994 --> 02:07:52.231 CLAIM 1720 DRIVES BUSINESS 02:07:52.297 --> 02:07:53.966 BUSINESSES UNDERGROUND TO 02:07:54.033 --> 02:07:55.367 UNREGULATED MARKETS. WHERE ARE 02:07:55.434 --> 02:07:57.936 THEY NOW? ON PLATFORMS LIKE 02:07:58.003 --> 02:07:59.371 STUBHUB, WHERE HUNDREDS OF 02:07:59.438 --> 02:08:01.140 CALIFORNIA CONSUMERS ARE 02:08:01.206 --> 02:08:03.342 COMPLAINING EVERY DAY, THE 02:08:03.409 --> 02:08:05.577 SECONDARY MARKET BRAGS ABOUT A 02:08:05.644 --> 02:08:07.846 1% OR LESS FAILURE RATE WHEN 02:08:07.913 --> 02:08:09.915 YOU BUY FROM AN ACTUAL TICKET 02:08:09.982 --> 02:08:12.317 SELLER, THAT RATE IS ZERO. WHEN 02:08:12.384 --> 02:08:14.153 FAMILIES DON'T RECEIVE THEIR 02:08:14.219 --> 02:08:15.554 TICKETS, THEY'RE FORCED INTO 02:08:15.621 --> 02:08:17.322 ARBITRATION CLAIMS. BRADFORD 02:08:17.389 --> 02:08:18.957 CLEMENS IS FILING THOSE CLAIMS 02:08:19.024 --> 02:08:21.693 ON BEHALF OF BUYERS. RIGHT NOW, 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:23.429 STUBHUB HAS CHANGED THE 02:08:23.495 --> 02:08:26.331 ARBITRATION NOTICE ADDRESS SIX 02:08:26.398 --> 02:08:28.434 TIMES IN THE PAST YEAR. SIX 02:08:28.500 --> 02:08:32.104 TIMES. THAT'S A SHELL GAME. 02:08:32.171 --> 02:08:34.606 BLAME TICKETMASTER, BLAME FIFA, 02:08:34.673 --> 02:08:37.142 BLAME THE EVENT PRODUCER, DENY 02:08:37.209 --> 02:08:38.977 EVERYTHING AND MAKE COUNTER 02:08:39.044 --> 02:08:40.345 ACCUSATIONS. NEVER ADMIT THE 02:08:40.412 --> 02:08:41.814 CONSUMER DAMAGE FROM THE 02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:43.248 SECONDARY MARKET OR HOW MUCH 02:08:43.315 --> 02:08:44.650 THEY ARE EXTRACTING FROM HARD 02:08:44.716 --> 02:08:46.585 WORKING CALIFORNIANS. EVERY 02:08:46.652 --> 02:08:49.121 SINGLE SHOW. AB 1720 REMOVES 02:08:49.188 --> 02:08:50.956 THE ARBITRAGE OPPORTUNITY FOR 02:08:51.023 --> 02:08:53.058 THESE SPECULATORS. IT'S BEEN 02:08:53.125 --> 02:08:54.460 PROVEN. NO OTHER, NO OTHER 02:08:54.526 --> 02:08:56.929 MEASURE WORKS. PLEASE VOTE YES. 02:08:56.995 --> 02:08:58.864 ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYONE 02:08:58.931 --> 02:09:00.199 WISH TO REGISTER SUPPORT FOR 02:09:00.265 --> 02:09:01.633 THE BILL? SO PLEASE COME 02:09:01.700 --> 02:09:03.035 FORWARD TO THE STAND UP MIKE, 02:09:03.102 --> 02:09:04.269 AND SHARE WITH US YOUR NAME, 02:09:04.336 --> 02:09:05.938 AFFILIATION, IF ANY, NOT YOUR 02:09:06.004 --> 02:09:07.206 LOBBYING FIRM AND YOUR POSITION 02:09:07.272 --> 02:09:09.942 ON THE BILL. JOE RINALDI ON 02:09:10.008 --> 02:09:12.177 BEHALF OF MUSIC BOX SAN DIEGO, 02:09:12.244 --> 02:09:14.179 THE SAN DIEGO INDEPENDENT VENUE 02:09:14.246 --> 02:09:15.047 ASSOCIATION AND STRONG SUPPORT 02:09:15.114 --> 02:09:19.985 OF AB 1720. ON BEHALF OF 02:09:20.052 --> 02:09:20.953 SAG-AFTRA AND STRONG SUPPORT. 02:09:21.019 --> 02:09:25.791 THANK YOU. HELLO, KENDRA. ON 02:09:25.858 --> 02:09:27.359 BEHALF OF THE CITY OF THOUSAND 02:09:27.426 --> 02:09:31.497 OAKS IN SUPPORT. JIM CORNETT, 02:09:31.563 --> 02:09:33.165 CARLOS ESTARÁ MCAFEE. COLONIAL 02:09:33.232 --> 02:09:37.769 IN SUPPORT. GABRIEL DOCTOR WITH 02:09:37.836 --> 02:09:39.037 THE SAN FRANCISCO VENUE 02:09:39.104 --> 02:09:43.742 COALITION AND STRONG SUPPORT. 02:09:43.809 --> 02:09:44.877 CLIFTON. ALSO ON BEHALF OF THE 02:09:44.943 --> 02:09:45.978 CALIFORNIA ARTS ADVOCATES IN 02:09:46.044 --> 02:09:50.015 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. JORDAN 02:09:50.082 --> 02:09:51.116 CROWLEY ON BEHALF OF THE MUSIC 02:09:51.183 --> 02:09:56.688 ARTISTS COALITION AND SUPPORT. 02:09:56.755 --> 02:09:58.490 I SEE NO OTHER WITNESSES IN 02:09:58.557 --> 02:09:59.958 SUPPORT. ARE THERE TWO LEAD 02:10:00.025 --> 02:10:06.798 WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION? 02:10:06.865 --> 02:10:07.799 WELCOME AND WELCOME BACK. 02:10:07.866 --> 02:10:12.604 YOU'LL EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. 02:10:12.671 --> 02:10:13.972 THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR AND 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:15.274 MEMBERS DELYLAH CLAY HERE ON 02:10:15.340 --> 02:10:16.808 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA LIVE 02:10:16.875 --> 02:10:18.143 EVENTS EQUITY ALLIANCE, WHICH 02:10:18.210 --> 02:10:19.478 IS A CONSUMER FACING 02:10:19.545 --> 02:10:20.946 ORGANIZATION MADE UP OF FANS 02:10:21.013 --> 02:10:22.214 AND EQUITY GROUPS ACROSS THE 02:10:22.281 --> 02:10:24.049 STATE. WE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE 02:10:24.116 --> 02:10:26.718 AB 1720. WE APPRECIATE THE 02:10:26.785 --> 02:10:27.786 AUTHOR'S GOAL OF TRYING TO 02:10:27.853 --> 02:10:29.488 FOCUS ON TICKET AFFORDABILITY. 02:10:29.555 --> 02:10:30.956 HOWEVER, HE BELIEVES ADDRESSING 02:10:31.023 --> 02:10:32.724 BROADER MARKETPLACE CONCERNS 02:10:32.791 --> 02:10:34.092 AND INCREASING COMPETITION FOR 02:10:34.159 --> 02:10:35.594 TICKET SALES IS THE MOST 02:10:35.661 --> 02:10:37.462 EFFECTIVE WAY TO DECREASE 02:10:37.529 --> 02:10:39.598 PRICES. THE RESALE OR SECONDARY 02:10:39.665 --> 02:10:41.333 MARKET ONLY REPRESENTS ABOUT 9 02:10:41.400 --> 02:10:43.135 TO 10% OF OVERALL TICKET SALES 02:10:43.202 --> 02:10:44.603 GLOBALLY, WHILE THE PRIMARY 02:10:44.670 --> 02:10:46.038 TICKETING MARKET IS DOMINATED 02:10:46.104 --> 02:10:48.207 BY ONE COMPANY, TICKETMASTER 02:10:48.273 --> 02:10:49.608 WAS JUST DETERMINED TO BE A 02:10:49.675 --> 02:10:51.410 MONOPOLY. IN A LAWSUIT LED BY 02:10:51.476 --> 02:10:53.245 CALIFORNIA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL. 02:10:53.312 --> 02:10:54.179 TICKETMASTER ALSO REPRESENTS 02:10:54.246 --> 02:10:56.148 ABOUT 30% OF THE SECONDARY 02:10:56.215 --> 02:10:58.584 MARKET. BECAUSE OF THIS MASSIVE 02:10:58.650 --> 02:11:00.752 CONSOLIDATION, AB 1720 WILL 02:11:00.819 --> 02:11:02.554 ONLY FURTHER SOLIDIFY THAT 02:11:02.621 --> 02:11:03.855 MONOPOLY BY JUMPING AHEAD OF 02:11:03.922 --> 02:11:05.224 THE REMEDIES PHASE OF THE 02:11:05.290 --> 02:11:07.326 LAWSUIT. THIS BILL WILL CRIPPLE 02:11:07.392 --> 02:11:08.460 TICKETMASTER'S COMPETITION ON 02:11:08.527 --> 02:11:10.195 THE PRECIPICE OF THE COMPANY 02:11:10.262 --> 02:11:12.064 BEING POTENTIALLY BROKEN UP. 02:11:12.130 --> 02:11:14.600 THE FACT IS, SKYROCKETING COSTS 02:11:14.666 --> 02:11:17.002 IN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY 02:11:17.069 --> 02:11:18.403 MARKETS ULTIMATELY KEEP REAL 02:11:18.470 --> 02:11:19.938 FANS FROM BEING ABLE TO 02:11:20.005 --> 02:11:21.139 EXPERIENCE THE JOY OF ATTENDING 02:11:21.206 --> 02:11:23.175 A SHOW. BUT PRICE CAPS DON'T 02:11:23.242 --> 02:11:25.277 CURB CONSUMER DEMAND. THEY JUST 02:11:25.344 --> 02:11:27.145 PUSH TICKET SELLING ACTIVITY 02:11:27.212 --> 02:11:28.013 UNDERGROUND, WHERE CONSUMERS 02:11:28.080 --> 02:11:29.314 HAVE A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF 02:11:29.381 --> 02:11:31.083 BEING SCAMMED. IN IRELAND, 02:11:31.149 --> 02:11:32.484 WE'VE SEEN BOTH OF THESE 02:11:32.551 --> 02:11:33.952 DYNAMICS. WHEN PRICE CAP LAWS 02:11:34.019 --> 02:11:35.721 WENT INTO EFFECT, MAJOR 02:11:35.787 --> 02:11:37.189 SECONDARY MARKETPLACES 02:11:37.256 --> 02:11:38.357 DISAPPEARED. TICKETMASTER'S 02:11:38.423 --> 02:11:40.492 MARKET SHARE IS NOW WELL OVER 02:11:40.559 --> 02:11:41.927 95% AND TICKET FRAUD HAS 02:11:41.994 --> 02:11:43.962 INCREASED DRAMATICALLY FURTHER. 02:11:44.029 --> 02:11:46.098 AB 1720 PIECEMEAL APPLICATION 02:11:46.164 --> 02:11:48.367 AND THE LACK OF DATA 02:11:48.433 --> 02:11:49.067 INTEROPERABILITY BETWEEN 02:11:49.134 --> 02:11:50.135 PLATFORMS WILL MAKE IT 02:11:50.202 --> 02:11:51.236 EXTREMELY CONFUSING FOR 02:11:51.303 --> 02:11:53.138 CONSUMERS TO KNOW WHICH EVENTS 02:11:53.205 --> 02:11:54.873 ARE SUBJECT TO PRICE CAPS AND 02:11:54.940 --> 02:11:55.941 WHETHER THEY ARE IN FACT, 02:11:56.008 --> 02:11:57.075 PAYING THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR A 02:11:57.142 --> 02:11:58.677 TICKET. WE NEED MORE 02:11:58.744 --> 02:12:00.245 TRANSPARENCY, MORE COMPETITION 02:12:00.312 --> 02:12:02.080 AND SAFER WAYS TO BUY AND SELL 02:12:02.147 --> 02:12:04.416 TICKETS, AND FOR THESE REASONS, 02:12:04.483 --> 02:12:06.351 WE URGE A NO VOTE ON AB 1720. 02:12:06.418 --> 02:12:08.587 THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR 02:12:08.654 --> 02:12:10.455 AND MEMBERS, AUSTIN HAYWORTH 02:12:10.522 --> 02:12:11.490 HERE. ON BEHALF OF INTERNET 02:12:11.556 --> 02:12:12.758 WORKS AND RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION 02:12:12.824 --> 02:12:14.893 TO AB 1720. INTERNET WORKS 02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:16.395 REPRESENTS MIDDLE TECH COMPANY 02:12:16.461 --> 02:12:17.496 SHAPING A SAFER, MORE 02:12:17.562 --> 02:12:18.597 INNOVATIVE INTERNET ROOTED IN 02:12:18.664 --> 02:12:20.432 TRUST, OPPORTUNITY AND USER 02:12:20.499 --> 02:12:21.166 PROTECTION. FROM THAT 02:12:21.233 --> 02:12:22.534 PERSPECTIVE, OUR CONCERN IS 02:12:22.601 --> 02:12:23.635 STRAIGHTFORWARD THIS BILL 02:12:23.702 --> 02:12:24.970 CREATES A COMPLIANCE OBLIGATION. 02:12:25.037 --> 02:12:26.138 ONLY ONE COMPANY IN THE 02:12:26.204 --> 02:12:27.205 MARKETPLACE IS CAPABLE OF 02:12:27.272 --> 02:12:29.341 MEETING. AB 1720 REQUIRES 02:12:29.408 --> 02:12:30.609 RESALE MARKETPLACES TO VERIFY 02:12:30.676 --> 02:12:32.077 THAT A TICKET IS BEING RESOLD 02:12:32.144 --> 02:12:33.712 FOR NO MORE THAN 110% OF ITS 02:12:33.779 --> 02:12:35.547 ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE. THAT 02:12:35.614 --> 02:12:36.915 SOUNDS SIMPLE, BUT IN TODAY'S 02:12:36.982 --> 02:12:38.083 TICKETING MARKET, IT SIMPLY 02:12:38.150 --> 02:12:40.218 ISN'T POSSIBLE. SECONDARY 02:12:40.285 --> 02:12:41.286 MARKETPLACES DO NOT KNOW WHAT A 02:12:41.353 --> 02:12:42.821 CUSTOMER ACTUALLY PAID FOR A 02:12:42.888 --> 02:12:43.922 TICKET. THEY DON'T RECEIVE THAT 02:12:43.989 --> 02:12:44.956 INFORMATION FROM THE PRIMARY 02:12:45.023 --> 02:12:46.258 SELLER. AND IN TODAY'S 02:12:46.325 --> 02:12:47.392 MARKETPLACE, THERE OFTEN ISN'T 02:12:47.459 --> 02:12:49.461 A SINGLE FACE VALUE. MOST 02:12:49.528 --> 02:12:51.196 TICKETS ARE DYNAMICALLY PRICED. 02:12:51.263 --> 02:12:52.431 TWO PEOPLE SITTING NEXT TO EACH 02:12:52.497 --> 02:12:53.598 OTHER MAY HAVE PAID COMPLETELY 02:12:53.665 --> 02:12:54.666 DIFFERENT PRICES. TICKETS MAY 02:12:54.733 --> 02:12:56.401 BE SOLD THROUGH PRESALES, FAN 02:12:56.468 --> 02:12:58.670 CLUBS, VIP PACKAGES, OR BUNDLED 02:12:58.737 --> 02:12:59.604 PROMOTIONS. THE RESALE 02:12:59.671 --> 02:13:00.739 MARKETPLACE HAS NO LEGITIMATE 02:13:00.806 --> 02:13:02.474 WAY TO VERIFY WHICH PRICE IS 02:13:02.541 --> 02:13:03.775 CORRECT, EVEN IF IT REQUIRES 02:13:03.842 --> 02:13:05.310 THE CONSUMER TO LIST THE PRICE 02:13:05.377 --> 02:13:06.845 THEY BOUGHT IT FOR. ONLY THE 02:13:06.912 --> 02:13:08.213 ORIGINAL TICKET SELLER HAS THAT 02:13:08.280 --> 02:13:10.082 INFORMATION. AND TODAY, FOR THE 02:13:10.148 --> 02:13:11.450 OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF MAJOR 02:13:11.516 --> 02:13:12.951 EVENTS, THAT SELLER IS 02:13:13.018 --> 02:13:14.019 TICKETMASTER. SO THIS BILL 02:13:14.086 --> 02:13:16.121 EFFECTIVELY SAYS IF YOU ARE NOT 02:13:16.188 --> 02:13:17.189 TICKETMASTER AND YOU DO NOT 02:13:17.255 --> 02:13:18.690 RECEIVE TICKETMASTER'S 02:13:18.757 --> 02:13:20.859 PROPRIETARY DATA, YOU CANNOT 02:13:20.926 --> 02:13:21.860 CONFIDENTLY COMPLY WITH 02:13:21.927 --> 02:13:23.362 CALIFORNIA LAW. THAT DOESN'T 02:13:23.428 --> 02:13:24.896 PROMOTE COMPETITION. IT 02:13:24.963 --> 02:13:25.864 REINFORCES THE VERY MONOPOLY. 02:13:25.931 --> 02:13:27.366 THE CALIFORNIA AG IS CURRENTLY 02:13:27.432 --> 02:13:28.734 ASKING A FEDERAL COURT TO BREAK 02:13:28.800 --> 02:13:30.936 UP TECHNOLOGY POLICY WORKS BEST 02:13:31.002 --> 02:13:32.003 WHEN COMPLIANCE STANDARDS ARE 02:13:32.070 --> 02:13:33.805 OBJECTIVE, VERIFIABLE AND 02:13:33.872 --> 02:13:35.674 AVAILABLE FOR EVERY MARKET 02:13:35.741 --> 02:13:37.042 AVAILABLE TO EVERY MARKET 02:13:37.109 --> 02:13:39.411 PARTICIPANT EQUALLY. ÁP SEVEN, 02:13:39.478 --> 02:13:42.280 20 1720 FAILS THAT TEST. THIS 02:13:42.347 --> 02:13:43.749 IS ALSO WHY ALMOST EVERY STATE 02:13:43.815 --> 02:13:44.750 ACROSS THE COUNTRY REJECTED 02:13:44.816 --> 02:13:46.084 THIS BILL THIS YEAR, AND WE 02:13:46.151 --> 02:13:47.419 EVEN SAW STATES LIKE 02:13:47.486 --> 02:13:48.353 MASSACHUSETTS REPEAL THEIR 02:13:48.420 --> 02:13:49.988 PRICE CAP LAWS BECAUSE IT WAS 02:13:50.055 --> 02:13:51.056 FOUND TO BE INEFFECTIVE AND 02:13:51.123 --> 02:13:52.524 UNENFORCEABLE. WE RESPECTFULLY 02:13:52.591 --> 02:13:57.496 URGE A NO VOTE. ANYONE WISH TO 02:13:57.562 --> 02:13:58.530 REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION TO 02:13:58.597 --> 02:13:59.631 THE BILL? PLEASE COME TO THE 02:13:59.698 --> 02:14:01.867 STAND UP MIC, MR. CHAIR MEMBERS. 02:14:01.933 --> 02:14:03.268 JAMES JACK, ON BEHALF OF THE 02:14:03.335 --> 02:14:04.770 COALITION FOR TICKET FAIRNESS 02:14:04.836 --> 02:14:10.175 IN OPPOSITION. ROBERT MOYAMOYA 02:14:10.242 --> 02:14:13.812 TECHNET IN OPPOSITION. 02:14:13.879 --> 02:14:14.813 CHRISTOPHER SANCHEZ, ON BEHALF 02:14:14.880 --> 02:14:15.881 OF THE CONSUMER FEDERATION OF 02:14:15.947 --> 02:14:17.082 CALIFORNIA AND RESPECTFUL 02:14:17.149 --> 02:14:20.252 OPPOSITION. ON BEHALF OF OUR 02:14:20.318 --> 02:14:22.888 COLLEAGUES AT GAME TIME, 02:14:22.954 --> 02:14:24.589 SEATGEEK AND TAKE PICS ALSO IN 02:14:24.656 --> 02:14:27.893 OPPOSITION. ALL RIGHT, WITH 02:14:27.959 --> 02:14:29.161 THAT, WE'LL RETURN IT TO THE 02:14:29.227 --> 02:14:30.662 COMMITTEE FOR QUESTIONS OR 02:14:30.729 --> 02:14:35.367 DISCUSSION. SENATOR PADILLA. 02:14:35.434 --> 02:14:37.135 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST 02:14:37.202 --> 02:14:38.904 HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT MAY OR 02:14:38.970 --> 02:14:40.172 MAY NOT HAVE A QUESTION. I'LL 02:14:40.238 --> 02:14:41.907 DEFER TO MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE 02:14:41.973 --> 02:14:44.009 QUESTIONS FOR PRIOR THAT. ALL 02:14:44.075 --> 02:14:45.410 RIGHT. SENATOR GOMEZ, DO YOU 02:14:45.477 --> 02:14:47.379 HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENTS, 02:14:47.446 --> 02:14:49.014 COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. 02:14:49.080 --> 02:14:51.183 SENATOR PADILLA, THANK YOU, MR. 02:14:51.249 --> 02:14:52.250 CHAIRMAN. I THINK IT'S AN 02:14:52.317 --> 02:14:54.719 INTERESTING DYNAMIC. I 02:14:54.786 --> 02:14:58.390 APPRECIATE THE DIALOG. YOU KNOW, 02:14:58.457 --> 02:14:59.791 FIRST, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY 02:14:59.858 --> 02:15:01.993 MARKET AVERAGES AND PRICES ARE 02:15:02.060 --> 02:15:04.129 KNOWN BROADLY. YOU DON'T NEED 02:15:04.196 --> 02:15:06.298 TO TAKE DOWNLOAD A PROPRIETARY 02:15:06.364 --> 02:15:07.766 MARKET INFORMATION OR DATA. 02:15:07.833 --> 02:15:09.334 UNDERSTAND A MARKET MARKETS 02:15:09.401 --> 02:15:11.236 WOULD NOT BE MARKETS IF THAT 02:15:11.303 --> 02:15:13.505 WERE NOT THE CASE. I'M HAVING 02:15:13.572 --> 02:15:15.407 DIFFICULTY BEING CONVINCED THAT 02:15:15.474 --> 02:15:16.975 WE COULD CHARACTERIZE SOME OF 02:15:17.042 --> 02:15:18.477 THE EXPLOITATION THAT OCCURS IN 02:15:18.543 --> 02:15:22.848 THE SECONDARY MARKET AS 02:15:22.914 --> 02:15:26.885 COMPETITION. NOT AT ALL SOLD ON 02:15:26.952 --> 02:15:28.520 THAT PARTICULAR PREMISE. I 02:15:28.587 --> 02:15:29.754 WOULD JUST SAY I THINK IT'S 02:15:29.821 --> 02:15:34.359 IRONIC, RIGHT? I MEAN. PRIMARY 02:15:34.426 --> 02:15:36.228 PROMOTERS ACTUALLY LOVE THE 02:15:36.294 --> 02:15:37.596 SECONDARY MARKET TO SOME EXTENT 02:15:37.662 --> 02:15:39.865 BECAUSE IT SOAKS UP RESIDUALS 02:15:39.931 --> 02:15:41.199 AND UNCLAIMED, YOU KNOW, THEY 02:15:41.266 --> 02:15:42.968 THEY ARE GUARANTEED AT SOME 02:15:43.034 --> 02:15:45.103 POINT THEY'RE GOING TO SELL 02:15:45.170 --> 02:15:46.905 100% OF ALL THEIR INDIVIDUAL 02:15:46.972 --> 02:15:49.007 ELEMENTS OF VALUE, EVERY TICKET. 02:15:49.074 --> 02:15:50.475 SO THAT'S GOOD. THE PROBLEM IS, 02:15:50.542 --> 02:15:52.277 I THINK THAT'S INTERESTING HERE 02:15:52.344 --> 02:15:53.745 IS THAT THAT OFTEN IS 02:15:53.812 --> 02:15:54.846 EXPLOITIVE TO THE AVERAGE 02:15:54.913 --> 02:15:56.648 TICKET PURCHASER WHO'S SEEKING 02:15:56.715 --> 02:15:58.350 TO BE PARTICIPATING IN A, IN A, 02:15:58.416 --> 02:16:00.218 IN A FAIR MARKET AND MOST 02:16:00.285 --> 02:16:01.653 IMPORTANTLY OF ALL, HAVING 02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:04.322 ACCESS TO, TO, TO THE 02:16:04.389 --> 02:16:05.724 EXPERIENCE, RIGHT. AND TO THE 02:16:05.790 --> 02:16:08.126 ARTISTRY. AND SO IT'S IRONIC IN 02:16:08.193 --> 02:16:11.129 THAT IT ALSO SORT OF, IN MY 02:16:11.196 --> 02:16:14.699 VIEW, COULD SHORTCHANGE ARTISTS 02:16:14.766 --> 02:16:17.836 WHO ARE PRIMARILY DRIVING 02:16:17.903 --> 02:16:18.904 REALLY ARE THE, YOU KNOW, 02:16:18.970 --> 02:16:20.171 THEY'RE THE UNITS OF VALUE. 02:16:20.238 --> 02:16:22.207 THEY ARE PROVIDING THE VALUE 02:16:22.274 --> 02:16:25.110 HERE. SO I THINK THERE IS ROOM 02:16:25.176 --> 02:16:27.312 FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S 02:16:27.379 --> 02:16:28.380 OCCURRING, EVEN REGARDLESS IF 02:16:28.446 --> 02:16:30.582 IT'S 10 OR 30 OR WHATEVER THE 02:16:30.649 --> 02:16:31.483 ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE 02:16:31.550 --> 02:16:32.517 PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL 02:16:32.584 --> 02:16:34.753 MARKET. WHAT'S OCCURRING IS A 02:16:34.819 --> 02:16:37.589 LITTLE BIT OF EXPLOITATION AND 02:16:37.656 --> 02:16:39.024 EXCLUSION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 02:16:39.090 --> 02:16:41.259 SEEKING TO GET INTO A MARKET TO 02:16:41.326 --> 02:16:43.061 PURCHASE ACCESS TO THAT 02:16:43.128 --> 02:16:46.598 EXPERIENCE AND TO ENJOY IT. AND 02:16:46.665 --> 02:16:47.699 SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I APPRECIATE 02:16:47.766 --> 02:16:50.936 THE AUTHOR. I KNOW IT IS NOT AS 02:16:51.002 --> 02:16:52.804 SIMPLE AS ALL OF THAT AS WELL. 02:16:52.871 --> 02:16:54.539 I KNOW THERE IS THERE ARE SOME 02:16:54.606 --> 02:16:55.807 SUBTLETIES AND THERE ARE SOME 02:16:55.874 --> 02:16:57.809 MORE WORK TO BE DONE. BUT I DO 02:16:57.876 --> 02:16:59.177 APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR BRINGING 02:16:59.244 --> 02:17:07.586 THE BILL. SENATOR GÓMEZ REYES. 02:17:07.652 --> 02:17:09.688 THANKS SO MUCH. WHEN WE'RE 02:17:09.754 --> 02:17:11.456 TALKING ABOUT TICKET 02:17:11.523 --> 02:17:13.024 AFFORDABILITY, WE'RE ALL ON 02:17:13.091 --> 02:17:15.460 BOARD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 02:17:15.527 --> 02:17:16.895 SECONDARY MARKET AND TRYING TO 02:17:16.962 --> 02:17:19.364 FIND A A LIMIT AS TO HOW MUCH 02:17:19.431 --> 02:17:21.633 OVER THEY CAN CHARGE WITHOUT 02:17:21.700 --> 02:17:23.702 CIVIL PENALTIES. I THINK 02:17:23.768 --> 02:17:26.304 GENERALLY WE'RE ALL ON BOARD, 02:17:26.371 --> 02:17:28.039 AND I APPRECIATE CARLOS ALSO 02:17:28.106 --> 02:17:30.208 BEING HERE TO TO SAY THIS IS 02:17:30.275 --> 02:17:31.676 SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT. THIS 02:17:31.743 --> 02:17:33.111 IS SOMETHING THAT'S BENEFICIAL 02:17:33.178 --> 02:17:34.279 TO, TO, TO THEM. SO WE'RE 02:17:34.346 --> 02:17:35.981 TALKING ABOUT SMALLER VENUES. I 02:17:36.047 --> 02:17:38.149 THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 02:17:38.216 --> 02:17:39.217 SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP 02:17:39.284 --> 02:17:41.853 BY THE OPPOSITION IS WHEN YOU 02:17:41.920 --> 02:17:43.855 HAVE FAN TICKETS OR VIP TICKETS 02:17:43.922 --> 02:17:45.690 OR THE PRICE IS DIFFERENT, HOW 02:17:45.757 --> 02:17:48.593 DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT THE PRICE 02:17:48.660 --> 02:17:51.763 IS TO, TO PUT TO THEN SHOW WHAT 02:17:51.830 --> 02:17:55.033 THE 10% OVER THAT WOULD BE? I 02:17:55.100 --> 02:17:56.735 IT'S, IT'S WHAT THEY PAID FOR 02:17:56.801 --> 02:17:59.070 IT. INCLUSIVE OF FEES, THEY CAN 02:17:59.137 --> 02:18:00.405 CHARGE 10% OVER THAT AND THEY 02:18:00.472 --> 02:18:02.007 HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THEY HAVE 02:18:02.073 --> 02:18:04.109 TO UPLOAD ACTUALLY THE TICKET 02:18:04.175 --> 02:18:05.477 ITSELF AND WHAT THEY AND TO 02:18:05.543 --> 02:18:07.979 SHOW WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT. SO 02:18:08.046 --> 02:18:09.881 IF THEY PAID. AND THE PRICE 02:18:09.948 --> 02:18:11.116 COULD CHANGE OF COURSE, BUT 02:18:11.182 --> 02:18:12.350 WHAT THEY PAID FOR IT, THEY CAN 02:18:12.417 --> 02:18:14.252 PAY, THEY CAN SELL IT FOR 10% 02:18:14.319 --> 02:18:18.356 OVER THAT. OKAY. SOMETHING THAT 02:18:18.423 --> 02:18:20.258 THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK 02:18:20.325 --> 02:18:22.360 THE CHAMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT 02:18:22.427 --> 02:18:24.529 MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE 02:18:24.596 --> 02:18:25.697 COMPETITION. HELP ME, PLEASE, 02:18:25.764 --> 02:18:27.766 TO UNDERSTAND THE PART ABOUT 02:18:27.832 --> 02:18:33.171 THE COMPETITION. SO I THINK IN 02:18:33.238 --> 02:18:34.973 TERMS OF COMPETITION, WHAT OUR 02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:37.509 POINT IS, IS THAT AS WE ARE 02:18:37.575 --> 02:18:39.010 WAITING FOR THE COURTS TO MAKE 02:18:39.077 --> 02:18:40.545 A DECISION ABOUT THE REMEDIES 02:18:40.612 --> 02:18:42.180 PHASE OF THE TICKETMASTER 02:18:42.247 --> 02:18:43.982 BREAKUP, IT REALLY IS AN 02:18:44.049 --> 02:18:46.151 INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR 02:18:46.217 --> 02:18:47.318 COMPANIES TO SORT OF JUMP INTO 02:18:47.385 --> 02:18:49.087 THE PRIMARY TICKETING SPACE AND 02:18:49.154 --> 02:18:50.922 CHANGE THE CURRENT DYNAMIC OF, 02:18:50.989 --> 02:18:52.691 OF THE WAY THAT THE MARKETPLACE 02:18:52.757 --> 02:18:54.759 IS SET UP. I THINK, YOU KNOW, 02:18:54.826 --> 02:18:55.927 OUR ORGANIZATION WOULD AGREE 02:18:55.994 --> 02:18:57.328 THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF STUFF 02:18:57.395 --> 02:18:58.496 HAPPENING IN THE SECONDARY 02:18:58.563 --> 02:19:00.231 MARKET THAT IS TERRIBLE FOR 02:19:00.298 --> 02:19:02.367 CONSUMERS, BUT WE ALSO KIND OF 02:19:02.434 --> 02:19:04.369 SEE A REAL OPPORTUNITY AND SORT 02:19:04.436 --> 02:19:06.004 OF LIGHT AT THE END OF THE ROAD 02:19:06.071 --> 02:19:07.872 RIGHT NOW WHERE THERE'S A LOT 02:19:07.939 --> 02:19:09.040 HAPPENING, AND WE DON'T WANT TO 02:19:09.107 --> 02:19:10.809 JUMP INTO A SPACE, PARTICULARLY 02:19:10.875 --> 02:19:12.110 WHERE WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER 02:19:12.177 --> 02:19:12.944 MARKETPLACES WHERE TICKET CAPS 02:19:13.011 --> 02:19:15.280 WERE INSTITUTED, GREATER FRAUD 02:19:15.346 --> 02:19:17.482 AND GREATER MARKETPLACE 02:19:17.549 --> 02:19:18.917 CONSOLIDATION BY TICKETMASTER. 02:19:18.983 --> 02:19:20.819 SO FOR US, IT REALLY IS 02:19:20.885 --> 02:19:22.287 PRIMARILY A TIMING ISSUE ABOUT 02:19:22.353 --> 02:19:23.955 HOW THE MARKETPLACE IS GOING TO 02:19:24.022 --> 02:19:25.390 CHANGE IN PRETTY SHORT ORDER 02:19:25.457 --> 02:19:27.625 HERE. I WOULD I WOULD JUST ADD 02:19:27.692 --> 02:19:28.693 BRIEFLY, SENATOR, WE'RE TALKING 02:19:28.760 --> 02:19:29.761 ABOUT COMPETITION IN THE 02:19:29.828 --> 02:19:30.829 SECONDARY MARKETPLACE. THERE'S 02:19:30.895 --> 02:19:32.297 ONLY ONE MARKET PARTICIPANT 02:19:32.363 --> 02:19:33.398 THAT PARTICIPATES IN THE 02:19:33.465 --> 02:19:34.799 SECONDARY MARKETPLACE. THAT IS 02:19:34.866 --> 02:19:35.800 ALSO THE PRIMARY SELLER IN 02:19:35.867 --> 02:19:36.835 ALMOST EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE. SO 02:19:36.901 --> 02:19:38.336 THERE'S NATURAL COMPLIANCE 02:19:38.403 --> 02:19:40.105 ADVANTAGES THERE THAT ARE NOT 02:19:40.171 --> 02:19:42.006 COMPETITIVE. AND I THINK 02:19:42.073 --> 02:19:44.809 SOMETHING THAT WAS YOU TALKED 02:19:44.876 --> 02:19:46.978 ABOUT THE POTENTIAL BREAKUP. I 02:19:47.045 --> 02:19:48.780 THINK IT'S I MEAN, LIVE NATION 02:19:48.847 --> 02:19:50.582 DIRECTLY MANAGES MORE THAN 400 02:19:50.648 --> 02:19:53.118 MUSICAL ARTISTS, CONTROLS OVER 02:19:53.184 --> 02:19:54.452 60% OF CONCERT PROMOTIONS AT 02:19:54.519 --> 02:19:56.354 MAJOR CONCERT VENUES ACROSS THE 02:19:56.421 --> 02:19:57.889 COUNTRY. THE OWNER CONTROL MORE 02:19:57.956 --> 02:19:59.858 THAN 265 CONCERT VENUES IN 02:19:59.924 --> 02:20:01.459 NORTH AMERICA, INCLUDING MORE 02:20:01.526 --> 02:20:03.228 THAN 60 OF THE TOP 100 02:20:03.294 --> 02:20:05.296 AMPHITHEATERS IN THE U.S. TELL 02:20:05.363 --> 02:20:07.599 ME HOW THAT PART HAS TO DO WITH 02:20:07.665 --> 02:20:09.000 THE COMPETITION THAT WE'RE 02:20:09.067 --> 02:20:13.238 TALKING ABOUT, HOW LIVE NATION 02:20:13.304 --> 02:20:15.006 LIVE NATION'S MONOPOLY. IF 02:20:15.073 --> 02:20:17.242 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPETITION 02:20:17.308 --> 02:20:19.344 FOR FOR SECOND, THE SECONDARY 02:20:19.411 --> 02:20:21.880 MARKET, TELL ME HOW THAT HAS TO 02:20:21.946 --> 02:20:24.415 DO WITH THE POTENTIAL BREAKUP. 02:20:24.482 --> 02:20:26.151 RIGHT? SO THE SECONDARY MARKET 02:20:26.217 --> 02:20:28.019 FEEDS OFF OF THE PRIMARY 02:20:28.086 --> 02:20:29.420 MARKETPLACE, RIGHT? AND SO THE 02:20:29.487 --> 02:20:31.222 PRIMARY MARKETPLACE WE'VE SEEN 02:20:31.289 --> 02:20:32.657 SINCE LIVE NATION AND 02:20:32.724 --> 02:20:33.725 TICKETMASTER JOINED UP A 02:20:33.792 --> 02:20:35.860 MASSIVE INCREASE IN THE BASIC 02:20:35.927 --> 02:20:38.463 PRICES OF TICKETS. AUSTIN 02:20:38.530 --> 02:20:40.932 TALKED ABOUT THE DYNAMIC 02:20:40.999 --> 02:20:42.000 PRICING AND A NUMBER OF 02:20:42.066 --> 02:20:43.134 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT 02:20:43.201 --> 02:20:44.435 TICKETMASTER DOES. AND THIS WAS 02:20:44.502 --> 02:20:46.271 FOUND IN LAWSUIT TO INCREASE 02:20:46.337 --> 02:20:47.806 THE PRICE OF TICKETS IN THE 02:20:47.872 --> 02:20:49.607 PRIMARY MARKETPLACE. ALL OF 02:20:49.674 --> 02:20:51.075 THAT SORT OF FLOWS INTO THE 02:20:51.142 --> 02:20:52.911 SECONDARY MARKETPLACE AS WELL. 02:20:52.977 --> 02:20:54.679 AND SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE 02:20:54.746 --> 02:20:57.148 WANT TO SEE OVERALL MARKETPLACE 02:20:57.215 --> 02:20:58.616 CHANGES. LIKE I MENTIONED 02:20:58.683 --> 02:20:59.784 BEFORE, THE SECONDARY MARKET IS 02:20:59.851 --> 02:21:02.287 ONLY ABOUT 9 TO 10% OF OVERALL 02:21:02.353 --> 02:21:04.355 TICKET SALES. SO IT REALLY IS 02:21:04.422 --> 02:21:05.456 RELATIVELY A SMALL PIECE. I 02:21:05.523 --> 02:21:06.724 KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF TERRIBLE 02:21:06.791 --> 02:21:07.992 STUFF HAPPENING IN THAT 02:21:08.059 --> 02:21:09.060 MARKETPLACE, BUT IT'S A 02:21:09.127 --> 02:21:10.562 RELATIVELY SMALL PIECE OF THE 02:21:10.628 --> 02:21:12.997 OVERALL MARKET. AND SO FROM OUR 02:21:13.064 --> 02:21:13.998 PERSPECTIVE, SORT OF DEALING 02:21:14.065 --> 02:21:15.300 WITH THE LIVE NATION, JUST LIKE 02:21:15.366 --> 02:21:17.702 YOU TALKED ABOUT THEIR MASSIVE 02:21:17.769 --> 02:21:18.703 CONSOLIDATION IN SO MANY 02:21:18.770 --> 02:21:19.871 DIFFERENT AREAS, THAT NEEDS TO 02:21:19.938 --> 02:21:21.973 BE SORT OF DISRUPTED AND 02:21:22.040 --> 02:21:23.408 DISTRIBUTED. THAT CREATES AN 02:21:23.474 --> 02:21:24.309 OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETELY 02:21:24.375 --> 02:21:27.078 CHANGE THE SECONDARY MARKET. TO 02:21:27.145 --> 02:21:29.514 THE AUTHOR, WHAT IS YOUR 02:21:29.581 --> 02:21:32.050 RESPONSE TO TO THE ISSUE OF 02:21:32.116 --> 02:21:33.852 COMPETITION AS AS PRESENTED BY 02:21:33.918 --> 02:21:37.488 CAL CHAMBER? SO THE, THE 02:21:37.555 --> 02:21:39.624 STUBHUB AND SEATGEEK AND THE 02:21:39.691 --> 02:21:42.093 SECONDARY MARKET HAS EXPLODED 02:21:42.160 --> 02:21:43.561 OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES. AT 02:21:43.628 --> 02:21:45.029 THE VERY SAME TIME, 02:21:45.096 --> 02:21:46.798 TICKETMASTER LIVE NATION HAS 02:21:46.865 --> 02:21:48.633 GROWN DRAMATICALLY AND BECOME A 02:21:48.700 --> 02:21:50.435 MONOPOLY. SO IF IF THE 02:21:50.501 --> 02:21:51.803 SECONDARY MARKET, AS WE HEARD, 02:21:51.870 --> 02:21:53.104 I THINK IT WAS PERFECTLY STATED, 02:21:53.171 --> 02:21:54.405 FEEDS OFF THE THE PRIMARY 02:21:54.472 --> 02:21:55.807 MARKET. IT DOESN'T COMPETE WITH 02:21:55.874 --> 02:21:57.041 THE PRIMARY MARKET. IT FEEDS 02:21:57.108 --> 02:21:58.943 OFF OF IT IN A WAY THAT 02:21:59.010 --> 02:22:00.478 ACTUALLY INCREASES PRICES BOTH 02:22:00.545 --> 02:22:01.946 IN THE SECONDARY AND PRIMARY 02:22:02.013 --> 02:22:03.815 MARKET, BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS 02:22:03.882 --> 02:22:06.251 WHEN YOU HAVE THESE HUGE BULK 02:22:06.317 --> 02:22:08.052 PURCHASES, BOT PURCHASES, THAT 02:22:08.119 --> 02:22:09.354 CREATES SCARCITY, INCLUDING IN 02:22:09.420 --> 02:22:11.623 THE PRIMARY MARKET, WHICH THEN 02:22:11.689 --> 02:22:12.857 INCREASES PRICES THAT PEOPLE 02:22:12.924 --> 02:22:14.592 HAVE TO PAY UP FRONT IF THEY'RE 02:22:14.659 --> 02:22:16.361 GOING TO PURCHASE DIRECTLY, AND 02:22:16.427 --> 02:22:18.162 ALSO INCREASES PRICES IN THE 02:22:18.229 --> 02:22:19.964 SECONDARY MARKET. SO THEY'RE 02:22:20.031 --> 02:22:21.299 THEY'RE FEEDING OFF OF EACH 02:22:21.366 --> 02:22:23.167 OTHER IN A WAY THAT INCREASES 02:22:23.234 --> 02:22:25.003 PRICES BOTH IN THE PRIMARY AND 02:22:25.069 --> 02:22:26.404 SECONDARY AND PUTS MONEY IN THE 02:22:26.471 --> 02:22:28.239 POCKETS OF THE FOLKS WHO WANT 02:22:28.306 --> 02:22:29.807 TO SPECULATE AND PROFITEER FROM 02:22:29.874 --> 02:22:33.611 IT, NOT IN THE VENUES AND, AND, 02:22:33.678 --> 02:22:34.812 AND ARTISTS. AND I WANT TO BE 02:22:34.879 --> 02:22:36.614 CLEAR, I IT'S INTERESTING THAT 02:22:36.681 --> 02:22:38.283 THE FOLKS KEEP ON BRINGING UP, 02:22:38.349 --> 02:22:40.885 BRINGING UP COMPETITION TO LIVE 02:22:40.952 --> 02:22:42.253 NATION AND TICKETMASTER. I'M 02:22:42.320 --> 02:22:43.454 SITTING WITH THE COMPETITION TO 02:22:43.521 --> 02:22:44.756 LIVE NATION AND TICKETMASTER. 02:22:44.822 --> 02:22:46.291 IT'S NOT THE STUBHUB WHO ARE 02:22:46.357 --> 02:22:47.892 SAYING MAYBE SOMEDAY THEY MIGHT 02:22:47.959 --> 02:22:49.460 WANT TO GET INTO PRIMARY DIRECT 02:22:49.527 --> 02:22:50.528 TICKET SALES. GREAT. THEY 02:22:50.595 --> 02:22:51.629 HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. THEY 02:22:51.696 --> 02:22:53.197 SHOULD. AND WE FULLY ENCOURAGE 02:22:53.264 --> 02:22:54.365 THAT THEY SHOULD GET INTO THAT. 02:22:54.432 --> 02:22:56.301 THE COMPETITION TO LIVE NATION 02:22:56.367 --> 02:22:58.102 IS THE INDEPENDENT VENUES WHO 02:22:58.169 --> 02:22:59.537 ARE BEING SCREWED OVER, BY THE 02:22:59.604 --> 02:23:01.072 WAY, THAT THIS SYSTEM DOES, IN 02:23:01.139 --> 02:23:02.774 SOME CASES BENEFIT THE BIG 02:23:02.840 --> 02:23:04.242 PLAYERS, THE LIVE NATION AND 02:23:04.309 --> 02:23:06.377 TICKETMASTER, THE SECONDARY 02:23:06.444 --> 02:23:07.812 PLATFORMS AND THE SPECULATORS. 02:23:07.879 --> 02:23:08.913 THE VENUES ARE THE ONES GETTING 02:23:08.980 --> 02:23:10.581 SCREWED, THE FANS ARE THE ONES 02:23:10.648 --> 02:23:11.549 BEING SCREWED. AND THE 02:23:11.616 --> 02:23:12.550 COMPETITION AT TICKETMASTER AND 02:23:12.617 --> 02:23:13.952 LIVE NATION, I'M SITTING WITH 02:23:14.018 --> 02:23:15.720 AND THEY'RE SAYING IN ORDER FOR 02:23:15.787 --> 02:23:17.021 THEM TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH 02:23:17.088 --> 02:23:18.923 THE MONOPOLY, THEY NEED TO BE 02:23:18.990 --> 02:23:21.159 ABLE TO BREAK UP THIS, THIS, 02:23:21.225 --> 02:23:23.294 THIS SYSTEM THAT IS BENEFITING 02:23:23.361 --> 02:23:24.429 SPECULATORS AND SCALPERS AND 02:23:24.495 --> 02:23:27.832 NOT VENUES AND FANS. THE BILL 02:23:27.899 --> 02:23:31.135 IN PRINT ALSO ONLY APPLIES TO 02:23:31.202 --> 02:23:34.472 THREE. YEAH, YEAH. THE THIS 02:23:34.539 --> 02:23:36.641 BILL NOW CURRENTLY ONLY APPLIES 02:23:36.708 --> 02:23:38.443 TO INDEPENDENT VENUES THAT ARE 02:23:38.509 --> 02:23:41.312 UNDER 3000 CAPACITY. THESE 02:23:41.379 --> 02:23:43.114 FOLKS WANT THIS BILL AND 02:23:43.181 --> 02:23:44.515 THEY'RE SAYING THEY NEED IT IN 02:23:44.582 --> 02:23:45.683 ORDER TO COMPETE WITH THE WITH 02:23:45.750 --> 02:23:47.785 THE MONOPOLY. AND IF STUBHUB 02:23:47.852 --> 02:23:49.954 AND OTHERS WANT TO GET INTO THE 02:23:50.021 --> 02:23:52.156 TO THE PRIMARY DIRECT SALE, 02:23:52.223 --> 02:23:53.524 FANTASTIC. THEY THEY SHOULD DO 02:23:53.591 --> 02:23:55.360 THAT. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE 02:23:55.426 --> 02:23:57.161 REMEDIES IN THE COURT CASE THAT 02:23:57.228 --> 02:23:59.330 COULD APPLY TO TO WHAT OUR BILL 02:23:59.397 --> 02:24:00.765 APPLIES TO, BECAUSE THIS 02:24:00.832 --> 02:24:02.367 DOESN'T APPLY TO LIVE NATION AT 02:24:02.433 --> 02:24:05.069 ALL. THIS BILL. SO IF THEY HAVE 02:24:05.136 --> 02:24:06.871 REMEDIES AS PART OF THE COURT 02:24:06.938 --> 02:24:09.440 CASE, THESE VENUES ARE NOT 02:24:09.507 --> 02:24:10.842 PARTY TO THAT CASE. THEY 02:24:10.908 --> 02:24:12.076 COULDN'T EXTEND IT TO THEM. IF 02:24:12.143 --> 02:24:14.178 THEY WANT TO DO TICKET CAPS FOR 02:24:14.245 --> 02:24:15.346 LIVE NATION VENUES. I ACTUALLY 02:24:15.413 --> 02:24:16.881 THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND 02:24:16.948 --> 02:24:18.516 I WOULD SUPPORT IT, BUT THAT'S 02:24:18.583 --> 02:24:20.952 NOT IN THIS BILL. SO I DON'T 02:24:21.019 --> 02:24:23.154 SEE HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY 02:24:23.221 --> 02:24:24.188 CONFLICT WITH ANY REMEDIES THAT 02:24:24.255 --> 02:24:25.623 COULD COME AS A RESULT OF THAT 02:24:25.690 --> 02:24:27.025 COURT COURT CASE, BECAUSE THAT 02:24:27.091 --> 02:24:28.559 COURT CASE COULDN'T LEAD TO ANY 02:24:28.626 --> 02:24:29.627 OF THESE REMEDIES, BECAUSE 02:24:29.694 --> 02:24:30.962 THESE VENUES ARE NOT PARTY TO 02:24:31.029 --> 02:24:33.664 THAT LAWSUIT IN ANY WAY. THANK 02:24:33.731 --> 02:24:36.801 YOU. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO 02:24:36.868 --> 02:24:37.869 EMPHASIZE THE ASSEMBLY MEMBER 02:24:37.935 --> 02:24:39.270 WAS SAYING, VERY GOOD. ALL 02:24:39.337 --> 02:24:40.138 RIGHT. BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH 02:24:40.204 --> 02:24:42.874 OUR CHAIR. HE'S IN CHARGE. ALL 02:24:42.940 --> 02:24:44.308 RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I 02:24:44.375 --> 02:24:46.411 YIELD BACK. THANK YOU. THANK 02:24:46.477 --> 02:24:48.246 YOU, SENATOR GÓMEZ SENATOR 02:24:48.312 --> 02:24:50.815 MCNERNEY. THANK. I THANK THE 02:24:50.882 --> 02:24:52.250 AUTHOR. AND I APPRECIATE THAT 02:24:52.316 --> 02:24:54.052 YOU TAKE AMENDMENTS. I MEAN, 02:24:54.118 --> 02:24:56.521 THAT'S HOW WE IMPROVE OUR BILLS. 02:24:56.587 --> 02:24:58.723 WHEN I WAS A JUVENILE, I 02:24:58.790 --> 02:25:01.959 SCALPED TICKETS. I WOULD GO TO 02:25:02.026 --> 02:25:05.196 THE LOCAL COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME, 02:25:05.263 --> 02:25:06.364 ASK FOR PEOPLE IF THEY HAD 02:25:06.431 --> 02:25:07.465 SPARE TICKETS. AND THEY DID, 02:25:07.532 --> 02:25:09.333 AND I'D TURN AROUND AND SOLD IT 02:25:09.400 --> 02:25:11.302 FOR 100% PROFIT. ONE NIGHT I 02:25:11.369 --> 02:25:13.838 HIT THE JACKPOT AND MADE $40. 02:25:13.905 --> 02:25:16.374 SO I SYMPATHIZE A LITTLE BIT 02:25:16.441 --> 02:25:18.176 WITH THE SCALPERS. I THINK 10% 02:25:18.242 --> 02:25:20.278 IS DRACONIAN. IT SHOULD BE A 02:25:20.344 --> 02:25:22.146 LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT, MAYBE. 02:25:22.213 --> 02:25:25.349 BUT I MEAN, MY CONCERN IS, LIKE 02:25:25.416 --> 02:25:27.218 I SAID IN THE IN THE PRIOR 02:25:27.285 --> 02:25:28.953 TICKET ISSUE, HOW ARE WE GOING 02:25:29.020 --> 02:25:30.021 TO ENFORCE THIS? HOW IS IT 02:25:30.088 --> 02:25:32.023 GOING TO BE? HOW ARE WE GOING 02:25:32.090 --> 02:25:33.925 TO MAKE IT WORK? AND IS IT 02:25:33.991 --> 02:25:35.193 GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S ON 02:25:35.259 --> 02:25:37.028 THE RECORD AND ON THE BOOKS AND 02:25:37.095 --> 02:25:38.129 DOESN'T DO ANYTHING? IS IT 02:25:38.196 --> 02:25:40.064 GOING TO WANT TO BE RESCINDED? 02:25:40.131 --> 02:25:41.099 I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING 02:25:41.165 --> 02:25:42.166 ABOUT REAL, REAL ISSUES HERE. 02:25:42.233 --> 02:25:44.001 AND MY LAST QUESTION IS WHO ARE 02:25:44.068 --> 02:25:45.937 WE PROTECTING? WE PROTECTING 02:25:46.003 --> 02:25:47.004 VENUES? ARE WE PROTECTING 02:25:47.071 --> 02:25:49.273 PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PAY $500 OR 02:25:49.340 --> 02:25:51.209 $1000 FOR A TICKET? I MEAN, I'M 02:25:51.275 --> 02:25:52.710 A LITTLE GRAY ON THESE THINGS. 02:25:52.777 --> 02:25:54.545 SO IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. 02:25:54.612 --> 02:25:56.347 SURE. WELL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, 02:25:56.414 --> 02:25:58.116 WE'RE PROTECTING FANS WHO WANT 02:25:58.182 --> 02:26:01.786 TO ATTEND THE SHOWS. THAT'S IF 02:26:01.853 --> 02:26:03.454 YOU'RE IF YOU'RE PURCHASING A 02:26:03.521 --> 02:26:05.990 TICKET TO SEE A LIVE 02:26:06.057 --> 02:26:07.492 ENTERTAINMENT PERFORMANCE OR A 02:26:07.558 --> 02:26:08.659 CONCERT, YOU SHOULD IT SHOULD 02:26:08.726 --> 02:26:10.361 BE BECAUSE YOU INTEND TO, TO 02:26:10.428 --> 02:26:12.130 ATTEND IT. THAT THAT'S IT 02:26:12.196 --> 02:26:14.732 SHOULDN'T BE SETTING UP A, A 02:26:14.799 --> 02:26:16.801 SYSTEM OF INDUSTRIALIZED 02:26:16.868 --> 02:26:17.835 SPECULATION AND GAMBLING, WHICH 02:26:17.902 --> 02:26:20.071 IS WHAT IT HAS BECOME. AND SO 02:26:20.138 --> 02:26:21.873 THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT IS 02:26:21.939 --> 02:26:22.907 BENEFITING THOSE WHO ARE 02:26:22.974 --> 02:26:24.809 POCKETING HUGE PROFITS. IF ALL 02:26:24.876 --> 02:26:26.377 WE WERE SEEING IS WHAT YOU'RE 02:26:26.444 --> 02:26:27.612 DESCRIBING, WHAT YOU SAID, AS 02:26:27.678 --> 02:26:29.881 YOU DID AS A JUVENILE, THAT 02:26:29.947 --> 02:26:31.782 WOULD BE A LOT LESS OF A 02:26:31.849 --> 02:26:32.950 PROBLEM THAN WHAT WE SEE NOW. 02:26:33.017 --> 02:26:34.785 WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS 02:26:34.852 --> 02:26:36.988 TICKETS GO GO ON SALE FOR 50, 02:26:37.054 --> 02:26:38.789 50 BUCKS A POP BECAUSE THE 02:26:38.856 --> 02:26:40.424 VENUE WANTS TO GET PEOPLE IN 02:26:40.491 --> 02:26:41.659 THE DOORS AND AND THEY WANT TO 02:26:41.726 --> 02:26:43.528 HAVE IT BE ACCESSIBLE TO FANS. 02:26:43.594 --> 02:26:45.429 AND SO FOLKS GO, I BET YOU 02:26:45.496 --> 02:26:47.431 THOSE WILL GO FOR 200. IF I BUY 02:26:47.498 --> 02:26:48.666 AS MANY OF THEM AS POSSIBLE. 02:26:48.733 --> 02:26:49.667 CREATE SCARCITY THAT ACTUALLY 02:26:49.734 --> 02:26:51.068 DRIVES THE PRICES UP GENERALLY. 02:26:51.135 --> 02:26:53.004 AND THEN THAT FORCES A FAN NOW 02:26:53.070 --> 02:26:54.906 TO PAY THREE, FOUR, FIVE TIMES 02:26:54.972 --> 02:26:56.440 AS MUCH THAT THAT IS HAPPENING 02:26:56.507 --> 02:26:59.977 AT SCALE, BY DESIGN, BY, BY, BY 02:27:00.044 --> 02:27:02.880 HUGELY ORGANIZED INDUSTRIALIZED 02:27:02.947 --> 02:27:05.116 SPECULATORS THAT THAT. SO THE 02:27:05.183 --> 02:27:06.517 MAIN THING WE'RE DOING IS 02:27:06.584 --> 02:27:08.052 PROTECTING THOSE FANS. AT THE 02:27:08.119 --> 02:27:09.687 SAME TIME, YOU CAN ALSO SEE HOW 02:27:09.754 --> 02:27:11.556 THE ARTISTS AND THE VENUES ARE 02:27:11.622 --> 02:27:12.990 GETTING SCREWED BY THAT. ALL OF 02:27:13.057 --> 02:27:15.459 THAT MONEY THAT THAT FANS ARE 02:27:15.526 --> 02:27:17.762 PAYING AS A MARKUP IS NOT GOING 02:27:17.828 --> 02:27:20.164 TO THE ARTISTS WHO CREATED THE 02:27:20.231 --> 02:27:21.566 SONGS AND PLAY THE MUSIC, OR 02:27:21.632 --> 02:27:22.600 THE JANITORS WHO CLEAN THE 02:27:22.667 --> 02:27:24.101 BATHROOMS OR THE FOLKS WHO 02:27:24.168 --> 02:27:25.336 INVESTED. IT'S ALL GOING INTO 02:27:25.403 --> 02:27:26.671 THE POCKETS OF FOLKS WHO JUST 02:27:26.737 --> 02:27:29.540 GOT THEIR FIRST BY DESIGN AND 02:27:29.607 --> 02:27:30.641 SPECULATED OFF OF WHAT THEY 02:27:30.708 --> 02:27:32.043 BELIEVE WOULD BE, WOULD BE AN 02:27:32.109 --> 02:27:33.477 OPPORTUNITY FOR A MASSIVE 02:27:33.544 --> 02:27:34.946 MARKUP. SO. SO THE VENUES ARE 02:27:35.012 --> 02:27:36.080 STRUGGLING, THE ARTISTS ARE 02:27:36.147 --> 02:27:37.248 STRUGGLING. AND IN SOME CASES, 02:27:37.315 --> 02:27:38.883 THE VENUES WILL TELL YOU THE 02:27:38.950 --> 02:27:40.017 RESULT OF THAT SYSTEM IS THEY 02:27:40.084 --> 02:27:42.186 HAVE SHOWS WHERE THEY SOLD ALL 02:27:42.253 --> 02:27:43.955 THE TICKETS, BUT THE THEATERS 02:27:44.021 --> 02:27:46.123 30, 40% FULL BECAUSE THE 02:27:46.190 --> 02:27:47.258 SECONDARY MARKET SCOOPED UP ALL 02:27:47.325 --> 02:27:48.960 THE TICKETS, BUT THEN ACTUALLY 02:27:49.026 --> 02:27:50.027 DIDN'T SELL THEM ON THE 02:27:50.094 --> 02:27:51.062 SECONDARY MARKET BECAUSE THEIR 02:27:51.128 --> 02:27:52.563 INTEREST IS IN IN PROFITS, NOT 02:27:52.630 --> 02:27:54.031 IN FEELING THAT FILLING THE 02:27:54.098 --> 02:27:55.499 THEATER. THE THEATER AND THE 02:27:55.566 --> 02:27:57.668 AND THE AND THE BAND WANTS THE 02:27:57.735 --> 02:27:59.403 THEATER FULL BECAUSE THEY ALSO 02:27:59.470 --> 02:28:00.438 BUY CONCESSIONS. THEY GO ON TO 02:28:00.504 --> 02:28:01.706 SUPPORT THE ARTISTS IN VARIOUS 02:28:01.772 --> 02:28:03.374 OTHER WAYS. SO THERE'S A, 02:28:03.441 --> 02:28:04.642 THERE'S A, THERE'S A MISMATCH 02:28:04.709 --> 02:28:05.876 IN REALLY WHAT SHOULD BE, 02:28:05.943 --> 02:28:07.712 SHOULD BE. YOU PURCHASE A 02:28:07.778 --> 02:28:09.080 TICKET BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GO 02:28:09.146 --> 02:28:11.015 TO A SHOW, NOT BECAUSE YOU WANT 02:28:11.082 --> 02:28:13.818 TO BUY LOW AND SELL HIGH, WHICH 02:28:13.884 --> 02:28:15.319 SCREWS OVER FANS FIRST AND 02:28:15.386 --> 02:28:16.554 FOREMOST, BUT IT ALSO SCREWS 02:28:16.621 --> 02:28:17.622 OVER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE 02:28:17.688 --> 02:28:18.956 ACTUALLY MAKING THE ART AND, 02:28:19.023 --> 02:28:20.291 AND BUILDING THE VENUES AND 02:28:20.358 --> 02:28:22.793 WORKING AT THEM. AND IT'S, IT'S, 02:28:22.860 --> 02:28:25.696 IT'S WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO 02:28:25.763 --> 02:28:27.498 ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS 02:28:27.565 --> 02:28:29.166 SYSTEM IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT. 02:28:29.233 --> 02:28:31.068 THE ENFORCEMENT IS ACTUALLY, I 02:28:31.135 --> 02:28:33.738 THINK, IN MANY WAYS BETTER THAN 02:28:33.804 --> 02:28:35.339 WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHICH IS THAT 02:28:35.406 --> 02:28:37.208 CONSUMERS WILL HAVE CLEARLY 02:28:37.275 --> 02:28:39.410 OUTLINED AND ARTICULATED RULES 02:28:39.477 --> 02:28:41.279 THAT PROTECT THEM, WHICH IS IT 02:28:41.345 --> 02:28:43.014 WILL BE CLEAR YOU HAVE TO IN 02:28:43.080 --> 02:28:44.682 ORDER TO SELL A TICKET ON THE 02:28:44.749 --> 02:28:45.750 SECONDARY MARKET ONLINE, ON ONE 02:28:45.816 --> 02:28:47.618 OF THESE PLATFORMS, YOU HAVE TO 02:28:47.685 --> 02:28:48.686 UPLOAD THE TICKET, AND YOU 02:28:48.753 --> 02:28:50.621 CAN'T SELL IT FOR MORE THAN 10% 02:28:50.688 --> 02:28:51.889 OF WHAT YOU PAID FOR IT. THAT'S 02:28:51.956 --> 02:28:52.990 THAT'S CONSUMER PROTECTIONS 02:28:53.057 --> 02:28:54.625 THAT DON'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. AND 02:28:54.692 --> 02:28:55.760 THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE BY THE 02:28:55.826 --> 02:28:57.762 ATTORNEY GENERAL FOCUSED ON 02:28:57.828 --> 02:29:00.598 THESE INDUSTRIAL SELLERS, THESE 02:29:00.665 --> 02:29:02.466 LARGE SECONDARY PLATFORMS. AND 02:29:02.533 --> 02:29:04.168 IT WOULD BE PRETTY CLEAR AND 02:29:04.235 --> 02:29:05.303 OBVIOUS IF THEY'RE SELLING 02:29:05.369 --> 02:29:07.438 TICKETS AND THAT ARE WAY ABOVE 02:29:07.505 --> 02:29:09.273 WHAT SOMEBODY PAID FOR THEM. 02:29:09.340 --> 02:29:10.675 IT'S ACTUALLY THERE'S A LOT OF 02:29:10.741 --> 02:29:12.476 TRANSPARENCY TO IT THAT, THAT, 02:29:12.543 --> 02:29:13.944 THAT DON'T EXIST RIGHT NOW. AND 02:29:14.011 --> 02:29:16.080 CLEARER RULES IN TERMS OF 02:29:16.147 --> 02:29:17.281 ENFORCEMENT FOR CONSUMER RIGHTS 02:29:17.348 --> 02:29:19.250 THAT RIGHT NOW, CONSUMERS DON'T 02:29:19.317 --> 02:29:23.688 HAVE. WELL, WHEN I WAS IN 02:29:23.754 --> 02:29:25.089 JUVENILE ENFORCEMENT WAS BY THE 02:29:25.156 --> 02:29:29.026 BIGGER KIDS. BUT I'M I'M 02:29:29.093 --> 02:29:31.028 CONCERNED THAT THE ATTORNEY 02:29:31.095 --> 02:29:32.463 GENERAL IS GOING TO WANT TO 02:29:32.530 --> 02:29:35.533 SPEND HIS RESOURCES GOING AFTER 02:29:35.599 --> 02:29:38.803 TICKET SCALPERS. SO I'M KIND OF 02:29:38.869 --> 02:29:40.137 NEUTRAL ON THIS AT THIS POINT. 02:29:40.204 --> 02:29:42.740 I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I DON'T 02:29:42.807 --> 02:29:45.242 SEE IT BEING REAL. SO ANYWAY, 02:29:45.309 --> 02:29:49.213 I'LL YIELD BACK. THANK YOU 02:29:49.280 --> 02:29:53.517 SENATOR. I ALSO HAVE MIXED 02:29:53.584 --> 02:29:56.053 FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. THE 02:29:56.120 --> 02:29:57.855 OBJECTIVE I 100% SUPPORT BOTH 02:29:57.922 --> 02:29:59.623 FOR FANS AND FOR INDEPENDENT 02:29:59.690 --> 02:30:02.226 VENUES AND FOR THE ARTISTS. AS 02:30:02.293 --> 02:30:03.994 I INDICATED ON THE PRIOR BILL, 02:30:04.061 --> 02:30:06.797 I'M NOW AN EXPERT ECONOMIST ON 02:30:06.864 --> 02:30:10.468 THIS TOPIC. AND IF YOU ASK 02:30:10.534 --> 02:30:11.235 ECONOMISTS IN THIS SPACE AND 02:30:11.302 --> 02:30:15.139 LOOK TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. 02:30:15.206 --> 02:30:17.641 IT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD ALWAYS 02:30:17.708 --> 02:30:19.143 EXPECT THAT THE IMPACTS OF 02:30:19.210 --> 02:30:21.379 PRICE CAPS ON TICKET, ON WHAT 02:30:21.445 --> 02:30:22.713 WHAT CONSUMERS ARE PAYING FOR 02:30:22.780 --> 02:30:24.849 TICKETS IN GENERAL ACCOUNT, YOU 02:30:24.915 --> 02:30:25.916 KNOW, ACCOUNTING FOR OTHER 02:30:25.983 --> 02:30:27.351 FACTORS AND WHAT HAVE YOU 02:30:27.418 --> 02:30:28.819 GENERALLY DON'T CHANGE THE 02:30:28.886 --> 02:30:30.921 PRICES FOR FANS. THEY GENERALLY 02:30:30.988 --> 02:30:32.757 THEY REDISTRIBUTE WHO IS 02:30:32.823 --> 02:30:33.824 BENEFITING FROM THE FACT THAT 02:30:33.891 --> 02:30:34.892 THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE 02:30:34.959 --> 02:30:37.762 WILLING TO SPEND A LOT MORE 02:30:37.828 --> 02:30:39.397 FROM, FROM THE SECONDARY MARKET 02:30:39.463 --> 02:30:41.766 TO THE PRIMARY MARKET, WHICH 02:30:41.832 --> 02:30:43.434 CAN BE A GOOD THING FOR ALL THE 02:30:43.501 --> 02:30:44.568 REASONS THAT THAT THE AUTHOR 02:30:44.635 --> 02:30:45.636 INDICATED THAT THEY INDICATED 02:30:45.703 --> 02:30:46.670 THE JANITORS, THE ARTISTS, AND 02:30:46.737 --> 02:30:48.372 EVERYONE ELSE, WHICH IS WHAT 02:30:48.439 --> 02:30:49.607 YOU WANT. THE THE CHALLENGE IN 02:30:49.673 --> 02:30:50.741 THE OVERALL MARKET HERE, THOUGH, 02:30:50.808 --> 02:30:52.576 IS THAT TICKETMASTER AND LIVE 02:30:52.643 --> 02:30:55.045 NATION EXIST IN BOTH PLACES. 02:30:55.112 --> 02:30:56.881 RIGHT? AND SO MUCH OF THE 02:30:56.947 --> 02:30:57.982 ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS 02:30:58.048 --> 02:30:59.450 SOME BENEFITS DEPENDS ON THERE 02:30:59.517 --> 02:31:00.484 BEING A STRICT SEPARATION 02:31:00.551 --> 02:31:01.552 BETWEEN THE PRIMARY MARKET AND 02:31:01.619 --> 02:31:02.820 SECONDARY MARKET, IN ADDITION 02:31:02.887 --> 02:31:04.088 TO EVERY OTHER ANTITRUST 02:31:04.155 --> 02:31:05.122 PROBLEM THAT TICKETMASTER AND 02:31:05.189 --> 02:31:06.857 LIVE NATION FACE. ONE OF THEM 02:31:06.924 --> 02:31:08.392 IS THAT THEY OCCUPY BOTH PLACES. 02:31:08.459 --> 02:31:10.194 AND IN THOSE CASES, THE 02:31:10.261 --> 02:31:12.763 ECONOMIC RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT 02:31:12.830 --> 02:31:15.699 THE BIG WINNER IS NOT BY NAME, 02:31:15.766 --> 02:31:18.235 BUT IT IS THE. IT IS THE. IT IS 02:31:18.302 --> 02:31:19.437 THE PLAYER IN THE MARKET THAT 02:31:19.503 --> 02:31:20.638 IS BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, 02:31:20.704 --> 02:31:23.140 SIMULTANEOUSLY ABLE TO LOW 02:31:23.207 --> 02:31:24.608 ARTIFICIALLY PRICE THE PRIMARY 02:31:24.675 --> 02:31:26.076 TICKET LOWER IN ORDER TO 02:31:26.143 --> 02:31:27.278 CAPTURE THE BENEFIT THROUGH THE 02:31:27.344 --> 02:31:28.279 SECONDARY MARKET, WHICH THEY 02:31:28.345 --> 02:31:30.014 ARE SIGNIFICANT PLAYER IN. AND 02:31:30.080 --> 02:31:31.482 SO THE CONSEQUENCES HERE ARE 02:31:31.549 --> 02:31:33.184 JUST REALLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT 02:31:33.250 --> 02:31:35.119 WHO WHO WINS AND WHO LOSES. AND, 02:31:35.186 --> 02:31:36.454 AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT 02:31:36.520 --> 02:31:38.656 JUST THAT WE, WE DO NEED TO 02:31:38.722 --> 02:31:40.925 HAVE A SECONDARY MARKET SURVIVE 02:31:40.991 --> 02:31:42.793 AT LEAST TILL THE END OF THIS 02:31:42.860 --> 02:31:44.028 CASE. SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING 02:31:44.094 --> 02:31:45.796 TO LIKE WHAT, WHO'S GOING TO 02:31:45.863 --> 02:31:46.931 WHAT'S GOING TO EMERGE OUT OF 02:31:46.997 --> 02:31:48.065 THE ASHES OF WHATEVER THE 02:31:48.132 --> 02:31:49.900 COURTS RULE. AND, AND 10% DOES 02:31:49.967 --> 02:31:51.602 SEEM LIKE A VERY LIKE A 02:31:51.669 --> 02:31:54.939 POTENTIALLY DISABLING LEVEL IN 02:31:55.005 --> 02:31:56.540 TERMS OF THE ABILITY OF SOME OF 02:31:56.607 --> 02:31:57.641 THE SECONDARY MARKET PROVIDERS 02:31:57.708 --> 02:31:59.543 TO, TO STAY IN THE BUSINESS. 02:31:59.610 --> 02:32:01.312 THAT'S OFFSET TO A LARGE EXTENT 02:32:01.378 --> 02:32:04.014 BY THE, BY THE SCOPE NARROWING 02:32:04.081 --> 02:32:05.349 THAT OCCURRED IN THE, IN THE, 02:32:05.416 --> 02:32:07.485 OF THE SUSPENSE IN THE ASSEMBLY. 02:32:07.551 --> 02:32:09.153 SO RECOGNIZING THAT APPLIES TO 02:32:09.220 --> 02:32:11.355 THE TO THE SMALLER VENUES ONLY. 02:32:11.422 --> 02:32:12.923 SO I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH 02:32:12.990 --> 02:32:14.258 THIS MYSELF. I'M PROBABLY NOT 02:32:14.325 --> 02:32:15.793 GOING TO CAST A VOTE EITHER WAY. 02:32:15.860 --> 02:32:16.727 THERE'S NO CHAIR'S 02:32:16.794 --> 02:32:18.262 RECOMMENDATION ON THIS BILL. DO 02:32:18.329 --> 02:32:19.029 APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND 02:32:19.096 --> 02:32:20.331 THERE'S NO AMENDMENTS THAT 02:32:20.397 --> 02:32:21.765 WE'VE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS 02:32:21.832 --> 02:32:23.300 PROPOSED EITHER. I THINK IT'S A 02:32:23.367 --> 02:32:26.203 STRAIGHTFORWARD BILL, AND IT'S 02:32:26.270 --> 02:32:27.571 EVERYONE'S GOT TO FIGURE OUT 02:32:27.638 --> 02:32:28.772 THEIR OWN THEIR OWN VIEW ON IT. 02:32:28.839 --> 02:32:30.708 SO I GET THE PROBLEM, GET THE 02:32:30.774 --> 02:32:32.576 ISSUE. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE 02:32:32.643 --> 02:32:33.777 CASE, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT 02:32:33.844 --> 02:32:35.646 ISSUE IF IT WAS APPLIED TO ALL 02:32:35.713 --> 02:32:36.881 VENUES OF ALL TYPES, ALL SIZES, 02:32:36.947 --> 02:32:38.716 IN EVERY EVENT I WOULD, I WOULD, 02:32:38.782 --> 02:32:42.620 I WOULD PROBABLY BE A NO AND I'M OPEN TO 02:32:42.686 --> 02:32:43.787 IT. BUT FOR TODAY, I THINK I 02:32:43.854 --> 02:32:45.823 I'M LIKELY TO NOT BE. BUT AGAIN, 02:32:45.890 --> 02:32:46.757 THERE'S NO CHAIR'S 02:32:46.824 --> 02:32:47.758 RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ON THIS 02:32:47.825 --> 02:32:48.926 ISSUE. MR. HANEY, WOULD YOU 02:32:48.993 --> 02:32:55.566 LIKE TO CLOSE. YES. AGAIN, THIS 02:32:55.633 --> 02:32:58.102 BILL WAS NARROWED TO APPLY 02:32:58.168 --> 02:32:59.870 SOLELY TO INDEPENDENT VENUES. 02:32:59.937 --> 02:33:01.305 IT DOES NOT APPLY TO LIVE 02:33:01.372 --> 02:33:02.406 NATION VENUES BECAUSE SOME OF 02:33:02.473 --> 02:33:04.241 THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED 02:33:04.308 --> 02:33:06.343 THERE, THESE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE 02:33:06.410 --> 02:33:08.913 COMPETING WITH LIVE NATION, 02:33:08.979 --> 02:33:09.980 TICKETMASTER AND ARE STRUGGLING 02:33:10.047 --> 02:33:12.116 TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY 02:33:12.182 --> 02:33:14.251 THAT FOLKS ARE COMING IN AND 02:33:14.318 --> 02:33:16.086 TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A SYSTEM 02:33:16.153 --> 02:33:17.421 THAT IS WORKING FOR PEOPLE WHO 02:33:17.488 --> 02:33:18.622 WANT TO SPECULATE AND GAMBLE ON 02:33:18.689 --> 02:33:21.091 TICKET PRICES, WE DON'T ALLOW 02:33:21.158 --> 02:33:22.293 SPECULATING AND GAMBLING IN 02:33:22.359 --> 02:33:23.661 MANY DIFFERENT SECTORS FOR A 02:33:23.727 --> 02:33:25.829 GOOD REASON. AND THAT'S WHAT 02:33:25.896 --> 02:33:28.098 THIS IS. IT'S FOLKS ARE PRICING 02:33:28.165 --> 02:33:30.467 A TICKET AT A CERTAIN PRICE SO 02:33:30.534 --> 02:33:31.669 THAT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WANTS 02:33:31.735 --> 02:33:33.237 TO COME AND, AND EXPERIENCE 02:33:33.304 --> 02:33:35.873 THAT CAN DO SO, AND IN DOING SO, 02:33:35.940 --> 02:33:37.408 PROVIDE THE BENEFIT TO THOSE 02:33:37.474 --> 02:33:39.443 WHO ACTUALLY DID THE WORK, MADE 02:33:39.510 --> 02:33:41.245 THE ART, WHO WE SHOULD BE 02:33:41.312 --> 02:33:42.379 SUPPORTING HERE. AND INSTEAD, 02:33:42.446 --> 02:33:44.181 WE'VE SET UP A SYSTEM THAT 02:33:44.248 --> 02:33:45.649 SCREWS OVER ALL OF THOSE FOLKS, 02:33:45.716 --> 02:33:46.850 EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT 02:33:46.917 --> 02:33:48.519 TO MAKE PROFIT OFF OF 02:33:48.586 --> 02:33:49.687 SPECULATION. THE IDEA THAT 02:33:49.753 --> 02:33:51.021 SOMEHOW WE HAVE A 02:33:51.088 --> 02:33:53.190 RESPONSIBILITY TO, YOU KNOW, 02:33:53.257 --> 02:33:56.093 PAD THE PROFITS OF STUBHUB HERE 02:33:56.160 --> 02:33:57.461 IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAYBE 02:33:57.528 --> 02:33:58.963 SOMEDAY GET INTO THE PRIMARY 02:33:59.029 --> 02:34:00.130 MARKET IS RIDICULOUS. THEY'VE 02:34:00.197 --> 02:34:01.765 HAD DECADES TO GET INTO THE 02:34:01.832 --> 02:34:02.866 PRIMARY MARKET, AND THEY HAVE 02:34:02.933 --> 02:34:03.968 CHOSEN NOT TO BECAUSE THE 02:34:04.034 --> 02:34:04.868 SECONDARY MARKET IS SO 02:34:04.935 --> 02:34:06.003 PROFITABLE TO THEM. WHY WOULD 02:34:06.070 --> 02:34:07.938 THEY? AND SO IF WE WERE TO SIT 02:34:08.005 --> 02:34:09.840 HERE AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING 02:34:09.907 --> 02:34:11.742 TO SUPPORT THE FANS WHO ARE WHO 02:34:11.809 --> 02:34:12.910 ARE BEING PRICED OUT OF SHOWS, 02:34:12.977 --> 02:34:14.745 THE FOLKS WHO ARE MAKING THE 02:34:14.812 --> 02:34:16.547 ART BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT 02:34:16.614 --> 02:34:18.349 MAYBE CUTTING DOWN THE 02:34:18.415 --> 02:34:19.650 SECONDARY PLATFORM. STUBHUB IS 02:34:19.717 --> 02:34:21.619 A MASSIVE INTERNATIONAL COMPANY 02:34:21.685 --> 02:34:23.821 NOT BASED IN CALIFORNIA, AND 02:34:23.887 --> 02:34:25.055 THEY MAKE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS 02:34:25.122 --> 02:34:26.390 AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THIS 02:34:26.457 --> 02:34:27.458 BILL DOESN'T INCLUDE SPORTS. IT 02:34:27.524 --> 02:34:28.826 DOESN'T INCLUDE BIG EVENTS. 02:34:28.892 --> 02:34:30.628 THIS IS JUST FOR THE FOLKS IN 02:34:30.694 --> 02:34:32.062 OUR COMMUNITIES, THEATERS, IN 02:34:32.129 --> 02:34:34.565 OUR COMMUNITIES WHO ARE BEGGING 02:34:34.632 --> 02:34:36.734 FOR THIS, WHO ARE CLOSING DOWN 02:34:36.800 --> 02:34:37.768 BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING TAKEN 02:34:37.835 --> 02:34:39.336 ADVANTAGE OF HERE AND THE FANS 02:34:39.403 --> 02:34:40.437 IN THE PROCESS. I THINK IT 02:34:40.504 --> 02:34:42.406 WOULD BE A SHAME IF WE SAID, 02:34:42.473 --> 02:34:44.274 AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE 02:34:44.341 --> 02:34:45.409 OUR INTEREST HERE IS TO MAKE 02:34:45.476 --> 02:34:46.543 SURE STUBHUB CAN MAKE ENOUGH 02:34:46.610 --> 02:34:48.278 MONEY TO MAYBE SOMEDAY ENTER 02:34:48.345 --> 02:34:49.747 THE PRIMARY MARKET. THAT'S. I 02:34:49.813 --> 02:34:51.081 WOULD I DON'T THINK THAT THAT 02:34:51.148 --> 02:34:52.950 WOULD BE A GOOD REASON TO KILL 02:34:53.017 --> 02:34:55.119 THIS BILL. AND I DO THINK IT'S 02:34:55.185 --> 02:34:57.021 AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO DO 02:34:57.087 --> 02:34:58.689 JUST FOR THESE SMALL VENUES, 02:34:58.756 --> 02:35:00.090 INDEPENDENT VENUES, WHO ARE 02:35:00.157 --> 02:35:01.925 BEGGING US TO BACK THEM UP SO 02:35:01.992 --> 02:35:04.461 THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE ART, 02:35:04.528 --> 02:35:06.997 COMMUNITY, CULTURE, AND OUR 02:35:07.064 --> 02:35:08.532 RESIDENTS CAN ACCESS IT, WHICH 02:35:08.599 --> 02:35:10.634 RIGHT NOW WE'VE SET UP A SYSTEM 02:35:10.701 --> 02:35:12.469 THAT MAKES IT A LOT HARDER TO 02:35:12.536 --> 02:35:13.837 DO SO BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE 02:35:13.904 --> 02:35:15.539 SET UP A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS FOR 02:35:15.606 --> 02:35:16.740 SPECULATION AND GAMBLING, 02:35:16.807 --> 02:35:18.509 RATHER THAN FOLKS WHO WANT TO 02:35:18.575 --> 02:35:19.910 ACTUALLY SEE A SHOW WITH THAT, 02:35:19.977 --> 02:35:21.311 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A VOTE. 02:35:21.378 --> 02:35:22.746 THANK YOU. MR. HANEY. IS THERE 02:35:22.813 --> 02:35:27.818 A MOTION BY SENATOR GÓMEZ REYES? 02:35:27.885 --> 02:35:29.286 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE 02:35:29.353 --> 02:35:30.688 MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO 02:35:30.754 --> 02:35:33.190 JUDICIARY. SENATORS CABALDON 02:35:33.257 --> 02:35:36.093 SATO, GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. 02:35:36.160 --> 02:35:39.029 MCNERNEY. AYE. OKUBO. PADILLA. 02:35:39.096 --> 02:35:41.832 PADILLA. AYE. REYES REYES. AYE. 02:35:41.899 --> 02:35:46.270 UMBERG WIENER 3 TO 0 VOTES, 3 02:35:46.336 --> 02:35:51.709 TO 0 ON CALL. NEXT, WE'RE GOING 02:35:51.775 --> 02:35:54.845 TO TURN TO FILE ITEM 11AB311 BY 02:35:54.912 --> 02:35:58.382 ASSEMBLY MEMBER MCKENNA. WHO 02:35:58.449 --> 02:35:59.983 HAS BEEN WITH US FOR SEVERAL 02:36:00.050 --> 02:36:05.355 HOURS. WELCOME, CHAIRMAN. THE 02:36:05.422 --> 02:36:21.538 BUDGET. 02:36:25.109 --> 02:36:26.543 GOOD MORNING. IS IT 02:36:26.610 --> 02:36:29.446 STILL MORNING? NO. GOOD 02:36:29.513 --> 02:36:35.886 AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. 02:36:35.953 --> 02:36:48.532 BUDGET. OKAY. WELCOME. AND 02:36:48.599 --> 02:36:50.868 WHENEVER YOU'RE READY AND AND 02:36:50.934 --> 02:36:52.402 JUST FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, 02:36:52.469 --> 02:36:54.671 WE. IT'S 1202, WHICH MEANS 02:36:54.738 --> 02:36:56.507 EVERY WITNESS STARTS OFF WITH 02:36:56.573 --> 02:36:58.242 GOOD MORNING. I MEAN, GOOD 02:36:58.308 --> 02:36:59.376 AFTERNOON. LET'S JUST DEVOTE 02:36:59.443 --> 02:37:00.744 OUR TIME TO THE COMMITTEE. NO 02:37:00.811 --> 02:37:02.513 JOKES EXCEPT FOR YOU, ASSEMBLY 02:37:02.579 --> 02:37:03.614 MEMBER. SO WHATEVER. WHATEVER 02:37:03.680 --> 02:37:05.182 YOU WISH. BUT WELCOME. THANK 02:37:05.249 --> 02:37:06.850 YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND 02:37:06.917 --> 02:37:08.385 MEMBERS, I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN 02:37:08.452 --> 02:37:09.720 BY ACCEPTING YOUR COMMITTEE 02:37:09.787 --> 02:37:11.555 SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS, AND 02:37:11.622 --> 02:37:13.357 SINCERELY THANK YOU AND YOUR 02:37:13.423 --> 02:37:14.758 CONSULTANTS FOR THE WORK ON 02:37:14.825 --> 02:37:16.226 THIS BILL. I ALSO LIKE TO LET 02:37:16.293 --> 02:37:18.729 YOU KNOW THAT I AM WORKING WITH 02:37:18.796 --> 02:37:21.598 CLOSELY WITH THE CALIFORNIA 02:37:21.665 --> 02:37:23.133 DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE ON 02:37:23.200 --> 02:37:24.501 THEIR AMENDMENTS THAT THEY GAVE 02:37:24.568 --> 02:37:25.903 ME IN THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE, 02:37:25.969 --> 02:37:27.571 AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK 02:37:27.638 --> 02:37:28.705 THE INSURANCE CHAIR FOR WORKING 02:37:28.772 --> 02:37:31.141 WITH US AS WELL AND WORKING 02:37:31.208 --> 02:37:33.210 WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS. SENATOR, 02:37:33.277 --> 02:37:35.946 SENATORS AB 311 PUTS VEHICLE 02:37:36.013 --> 02:37:37.681 USERS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT TO 02:37:37.748 --> 02:37:39.850 IMPROVE SAFETY ON OUR ROADS AND 02:37:39.917 --> 02:37:41.318 HIGHWAYS BY CREATING AN 02:37:41.385 --> 02:37:42.486 OPTIONAL AND MORE ACCURATE WAY 02:37:42.553 --> 02:37:44.888 TO DETERMINE VEHICLE INSURANCE 02:37:44.955 --> 02:37:46.690 RATES THROUGH THE USE OF 02:37:46.757 --> 02:37:48.525 TELEMATICS TECHNOLOGY. THIS 02:37:48.592 --> 02:37:50.360 BILL ALSO CONTAINS NATION 02:37:50.427 --> 02:37:52.296 LEADING DRIVER DATA PROTECTIONS 02:37:52.362 --> 02:37:54.932 AND PROHIBITS DRIVER DATA FROM 02:37:54.998 --> 02:37:56.733 BEING USED FOR ANY OTHER 02:37:56.800 --> 02:37:58.235 PURPOSES OTHER THAN FOR 02:37:58.302 --> 02:38:00.737 AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE. TELEMATIC 02:38:00.804 --> 02:38:02.539 TECHNOLOGY IS NOT NEW. IT IS 02:38:02.606 --> 02:38:04.074 CURRENTLY BEING USED IN 49 02:38:04.141 --> 02:38:06.176 OTHER STATES ACROSS THE NATION 02:38:06.243 --> 02:38:08.312 AND IN NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD, 02:38:08.378 --> 02:38:11.248 EXCEPT FOR CALIFORNIA SENATORS. 02:38:11.315 --> 02:38:13.050 CALIFORNIA'S NEARLY 40 YEAR OLD 02:38:13.116 --> 02:38:15.118 PROP 103 HAS NOT REDUCED 02:38:15.185 --> 02:38:17.287 VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND HAS NOT 02:38:17.354 --> 02:38:19.156 PREVENTED UNINTENDED INJURY OR 02:38:19.223 --> 02:38:21.325 DEATH ON CALIFORNIA ROADWAYS. 02:38:21.391 --> 02:38:23.060 AND I HAVE SOME DATA TO SHARE 02:38:23.126 --> 02:38:24.728 WITH THE COMMITTEE. ACCORDING 02:38:24.795 --> 02:38:26.697 TO THE SAFE TRANSPORTATION 02:38:26.763 --> 02:38:28.465 RESEARCH AND EDUCATION CENTER 02:38:28.532 --> 02:38:30.167 AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA 02:38:30.234 --> 02:38:33.537 AT BERKELEY, THERE WERE 1303 02:38:33.604 --> 02:38:35.739 PEOPLE KILLED IN SPEEDING 02:38:35.806 --> 02:38:38.675 RELATED TRAFFIC CRASHES IN 2023, 02:38:38.742 --> 02:38:42.913 INCLUDING 299 TRAFFIC RELATED 02:38:42.980 --> 02:38:46.149 FATALITIES, 1124 TRAFFIC 02:38:46.216 --> 02:38:48.385 RELATED SERIOUS INJURIES IN LOS 02:38:48.452 --> 02:38:50.520 ANGELES COUNTY ALONE, AND A 02:38:50.587 --> 02:38:54.825 REPORTED TOTAL AMOUNT OF 02:38:54.892 --> 02:38:57.294 315,508 POLICE STOPS AS OF 02:38:57.361 --> 02:39:00.264 DECEMBER 31ST, 2025 BY THE LOS 02:39:00.330 --> 02:39:02.399 ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT. I 02:39:02.466 --> 02:39:03.533 ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE LOS 02:39:03.600 --> 02:39:04.835 ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR 02:39:04.902 --> 02:39:07.537 SOME LOCAL DATA. IN 2025 ALONE, 02:39:07.604 --> 02:39:12.075 THE LAPD ISSUED 22,531 SPEEDING 02:39:12.142 --> 02:39:14.611 TICKETS IN THE CITY, WITH 26 02:39:14.678 --> 02:39:16.179 MOTORISTS TICKETED FOR DRIVING 02:39:16.246 --> 02:39:21.151 IN EXCESS OF OVER 100MPH AND 86 02:39:21.218 --> 02:39:22.419 TICKETS ISSUED FOR SPEEDING ON 02:39:22.486 --> 02:39:24.655 A BRIDGE OR A TUNNEL. 02:39:24.721 --> 02:39:25.822 FURTHERMORE, THE CALIFORNIA 02:39:25.889 --> 02:39:27.324 HIGHWAY PATROL REPORTED THAT 02:39:27.391 --> 02:39:30.560 FROM THE YEARS OF 2021 THROUGH 02:39:30.627 --> 02:39:34.598 2025, THERE WERE 3,000,003.2 02:39:34.665 --> 02:39:36.266 MILLION SPEEDING CITATIONS 02:39:36.333 --> 02:39:38.835 ISSUED IN THE STATE. CALIFORNIA 02:39:38.902 --> 02:39:40.203 DRIVERS MAY NOT CHANGE THESE 02:39:40.270 --> 02:39:41.672 DANGEROUS DRIVING PATTERNS ON 02:39:41.738 --> 02:39:44.608 THEIR OWN, SO ÁP 311 02:39:44.675 --> 02:39:45.976 INCENTIVIZES SAFER, GOOD 02:39:46.043 --> 02:39:47.377 DRIVING BEHAVIOR THROUGH THE 02:39:47.444 --> 02:39:50.347 USE OF TELEMATICS TECHNOLOGY. 02:39:50.414 --> 02:39:51.381 PEOPLE. PEOPLE OFTEN TELL 02:39:51.448 --> 02:39:52.783 FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES TO BE 02:39:52.849 --> 02:39:54.551 SAFE ON THE ROAD. GIVEN THE 02:39:54.618 --> 02:39:56.720 MANY HAZARDS AND CHALLENGES OF 02:39:56.787 --> 02:39:59.022 TRAVELING BY AUTOMOBILE AND. I 02:39:59.089 --> 02:40:00.757 AM AUTHORING A B 311 TODAY 02:40:00.824 --> 02:40:02.926 BECAUSE THREE CLOSE PERSONAL 02:40:02.993 --> 02:40:05.796 FRIENDS OF MINE DIED IN VEHICLE 02:40:05.862 --> 02:40:07.197 ACCIDENTS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN 02:40:07.264 --> 02:40:08.632 PREVENTED THROUGH THE USE OF 02:40:08.699 --> 02:40:11.001 TELEMATICS. SOME OF YOU MAY 02:40:11.068 --> 02:40:13.003 KNOW THIS KNOW MY FRIENDS, JOHN 02:40:13.070 --> 02:40:14.404 VIGNA, WHO WORKED HERE, RIGHT 02:40:14.471 --> 02:40:16.106 HERE IN THIS BUILDING, PEGGY 02:40:16.173 --> 02:40:19.509 MOORE AND HOPE WOULD SOME SOME 02:40:19.576 --> 02:40:20.978 DEMOCRATS THAT WE LOVED ACROSS 02:40:21.044 --> 02:40:23.146 THE STATE. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE 02:40:23.213 --> 02:40:25.515 WERE IN THEIR 40S AND HAD A 02:40:25.582 --> 02:40:27.684 BRIGHT FUTURE AHEAD OF THEM AND 02:40:27.751 --> 02:40:29.453 WERE KILLED BY SPEEDING WRONG 02:40:29.519 --> 02:40:31.321 WAY DRIVERS JUST A FEW YEARS 02:40:31.388 --> 02:40:34.791 AGO. THEIR DEATHS DEVASTATED ME, 02:40:34.858 --> 02:40:36.593 AND I COMMITTED THEM TO WORK 02:40:36.660 --> 02:40:37.828 WITH OTHER FAMILIES WHO HAVE 02:40:37.894 --> 02:40:39.529 LOST LOVED ONES IN VEHICLE 02:40:39.596 --> 02:40:40.931 ACCIDENTS TO MAKE OUR STREETS 02:40:40.998 --> 02:40:43.400 AND ROADWAYS SAFER. TELEMATICS 02:40:43.467 --> 02:40:45.669 IS A TOOL TO DO JUST THAT. IT 02:40:45.736 --> 02:40:47.738 IS TIME FOR CALIFORNIA TO JOIN 02:40:47.804 --> 02:40:49.506 49 OTHER STATES AND GIVE 02:40:49.573 --> 02:40:51.775 DRIVERS THE OPTION TO USE 02:40:51.842 --> 02:40:53.877 MODERN, AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGY TO 02:40:53.944 --> 02:40:55.846 IMPROVE SAFETY ON THE ROADWAYS 02:40:55.912 --> 02:40:57.814 AND TO SAVE MONEY ON THEIR 02:40:57.881 --> 02:40:59.716 VEHICLE INSURANCE. I 02:40:59.783 --> 02:41:01.852 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR. VOTE. 02:41:01.918 --> 02:41:04.821 MY WITNESSES ARE PASTOR 02:41:04.888 --> 02:41:07.357 PATRICIA PATRICIA STRONG VARGAS 02:41:07.424 --> 02:41:09.192 OF MOUNT SALEM NEW WAVE 02:41:09.259 --> 02:41:11.328 CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP, SOUTH LOS 02:41:11.395 --> 02:41:14.531 ANGELES, AND DANNY WEISNER, 02:41:14.598 --> 02:41:17.367 FOUNDING DIRECTOR, MIT INTERNET 02:41:17.434 --> 02:41:19.136 POLICY RESEARCH INITIATIVE AT 02:41:19.202 --> 02:41:22.039 THE MIT COMPUTER SCIENCE AND 02:41:22.105 --> 02:41:23.507 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE LAB. 02:41:23.573 --> 02:41:26.977 AND FROM 2011 TO 2012, HE 02:41:27.044 --> 02:41:28.111 SERVED AS THE UNITED STATES 02:41:28.178 --> 02:41:30.380 DEPUTY CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER 02:41:30.447 --> 02:41:31.748 FOR INTERNET POLICY IN THE 02:41:31.815 --> 02:41:33.884 WHITE HOUSE UNDER PRESIDENT 02:41:33.950 --> 02:41:36.887 BARACK OBAMA. THANK YOU. THANK 02:41:36.953 --> 02:41:38.221 YOU, ASSEMBLY MEMBER. WELCOME 02:41:38.288 --> 02:41:39.523 TO THE TWO WITNESSES, AND 02:41:39.589 --> 02:41:41.525 YOU'LL EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. 02:41:41.591 --> 02:41:43.660 THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. 02:41:43.727 --> 02:41:46.196 COMMITTEE. AGAIN, MY NAME IS 02:41:46.263 --> 02:41:49.066 PASTOR PATRICIA STRONG VARGAS. 02:41:49.132 --> 02:41:50.901 I'M THE PASTOR OF MOUNT SALEM 02:41:50.967 --> 02:41:53.370 CHURCH IN SOUTH LOS ANGELES. 02:41:53.437 --> 02:41:55.539 AND I'M ALSO CHAIR OF FAITH FOR 02:41:55.605 --> 02:41:57.908 SAFER STREETS, WHICH COMPRISES 02:41:57.974 --> 02:42:00.977 OF HUNDREDS OF CHURCHES ALONG 02:42:01.044 --> 02:42:04.448 WITH THOUSANDS OF CONGRUENCE 02:42:04.514 --> 02:42:07.417 MEMBERS OF CHURCHES. THE 02:42:07.484 --> 02:42:10.987 QUESTION TODAY, WHY AM I HERE? 02:42:11.054 --> 02:42:14.224 I'M HERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT 02:42:14.291 --> 02:42:17.094 FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT WE NEED 02:42:17.160 --> 02:42:23.934 A TOOL TO HAVE SAFE STREETS. WE 02:42:24.000 --> 02:42:27.971 NEED A TOOL TO SAVE LIVES. 02:42:28.038 --> 02:42:30.474 AGAIN, ASSEMBLYMAN MCKENNA SAYS 02:42:30.540 --> 02:42:33.743 THAT THERE WERE IN 2023, THERE 02:42:33.810 --> 02:42:38.381 WAS 1124 SERIOUS INJURY AND 02:42:38.448 --> 02:42:41.551 DEATHS THAT GO ALONG WITH OUR 02:42:41.618 --> 02:42:44.521 STATISTICS. BUT DO WE REALIZE 02:42:44.588 --> 02:42:46.590 THAT EVERY MORNING WHEN WE WAKE 02:42:46.656 --> 02:42:51.228 UP, THERE'S A SERIOUS INJURY, 02:42:51.294 --> 02:42:55.632 DEATH ON OUR STREETS AND OUR 02:42:55.699 --> 02:42:57.734 HIGHWAYS? THAT'S SERIOUS. 02:42:57.801 --> 02:43:02.539 THAT'S IMPORTANT. WHY AM I HERE? 02:43:02.606 --> 02:43:05.742 BECAUSE STREETS ARE SERIOUS. 02:43:05.809 --> 02:43:07.511 IT'S SERIOUS. EITHER THEY'RE 02:43:07.577 --> 02:43:08.879 RUNNING THE LIGHTS, SPEEDING, 02:43:08.945 --> 02:43:11.781 OR DISTRACTED DRIVERS. HOW DO I 02:43:11.848 --> 02:43:15.018 KNOW THAT? FOR THE PAST SIX IN 02:43:15.085 --> 02:43:18.288 THE PAST SIX MONTHS. I GOT HIT 02:43:18.355 --> 02:43:20.857 TWICE IN THE BACK. AND I CAN'T 02:43:20.924 --> 02:43:26.163 WALK LIKE I USED TO. WHY IS IT 02:43:26.229 --> 02:43:30.534 IMPORTANT? IT'S IMPORTANT 02:43:30.600 --> 02:43:33.403 BECAUSE WE NEED TO SAVE LIVES. 02:43:33.470 --> 02:43:36.706 WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? SOME SAY 02:43:36.773 --> 02:43:39.910 THAT IT'S BIASED WITH POLICING. 02:43:39.976 --> 02:43:42.846 SOME SAY THAT OUR MINORITY 02:43:42.913 --> 02:43:45.682 NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING TICKETED. 02:43:45.749 --> 02:43:50.387 TOO HEAVY. WELL, THIS TOOL, 02:43:50.453 --> 02:43:55.792 THIS A B 311. THIS MEASURE 02:43:55.859 --> 02:43:58.195 DRIVING ITSELF WILL ONLY BE 02:43:58.261 --> 02:44:00.096 MEASURED. I NEED TO ASK WHICH 02:44:00.163 --> 02:44:05.068 IS RACE NEUTRAL AND STRIPS THAT 02:44:05.135 --> 02:44:08.338 BIAS OUT OF THE PROGRAM. WHY AM 02:44:08.405 --> 02:44:12.242 I HERE? IT'S IMPORTANT THAT 02:44:12.309 --> 02:44:14.945 THIS BILL WILL HELP OUR 02:44:15.011 --> 02:44:18.148 ECONOMIC BOTTOM LINE. REDUCE 02:44:18.215 --> 02:44:20.984 THE RATE OF INSURANCE. IN FACT, 02:44:21.051 --> 02:44:24.221 CONSUMER REPORTS IN 2024 SURVEY 02:44:24.287 --> 02:44:27.924 SAID IT WAS MY TIME UP. OKAY, 02:44:27.991 --> 02:44:33.663 JUST MY LAST POINT. I'M HERE. 02:44:33.730 --> 02:44:36.032 I'M GETTING THERE. I URGE YOUR 02:44:36.099 --> 02:44:38.235 SUPPORT. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE 02:44:38.301 --> 02:44:40.070 SAVE LIVES AND HAVE OUR 02:44:40.136 --> 02:44:41.538 BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND FAMILY 02:44:41.605 --> 02:44:43.707 AT OUR KITCHEN TABLE IN THE 02:44:43.773 --> 02:44:46.643 MORNING. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK 02:44:46.710 --> 02:44:48.078 YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US 02:44:48.144 --> 02:44:49.312 AND FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. NEXT 02:44:49.379 --> 02:44:50.213 WITNESS. YOU'LL HAVE TWO 02:44:50.280 --> 02:44:52.215 MINUTES. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN 02:44:52.282 --> 02:44:54.117 CABALDON, FOR INVITING ME. AND 02:44:54.184 --> 02:44:56.620 THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MEMBER 02:44:56.686 --> 02:44:58.788 MCKENNA FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO 02:44:58.855 --> 02:44:59.923 CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR WORK ON THIS 02:44:59.990 --> 02:45:01.625 VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. MY NAME 02:45:01.691 --> 02:45:04.861 IS DANNY WEITZNER. I WANT TO 02:45:04.928 --> 02:45:07.664 JUST PUT THIS ISSUE IN CONTEXT, 02:45:07.731 --> 02:45:09.532 IF I COULD, IN THE CONTEXT OF 02:45:09.599 --> 02:45:11.368 THE VARIOUS PRIVACY ISSUES THAT 02:45:11.434 --> 02:45:13.903 WE FACE. I THINK THE TELEMATICS 02:45:13.970 --> 02:45:15.639 POSES A PARTICULAR KIND OF 02:45:15.705 --> 02:45:18.475 PRIVACY CHALLENGE. AS PART OF A 02:45:18.541 --> 02:45:19.643 WHOLE NEW CLASS OF SERVICES 02:45:19.709 --> 02:45:21.411 THAT WE'RE SEEING, WHERE 02:45:21.478 --> 02:45:22.846 INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY WANT TO BE 02:45:22.912 --> 02:45:25.048 ABLE TO SHARE PERSONAL 02:45:25.115 --> 02:45:26.182 INFORMATION IN ONE WAY OR THE 02:45:26.249 --> 02:45:27.751 OTHER TO GET SPECIFIC BENEFITS. 02:45:27.817 --> 02:45:29.119 WE HAVE FITNESS INFORMATION WE 02:45:29.185 --> 02:45:30.487 WANT TO SHARE. WE HAVE HEALTH 02:45:30.553 --> 02:45:32.055 INFORMATION WE WANT TO SHARE. 02:45:32.122 --> 02:45:33.056 WE HAVE FINANCIAL INFORMATION 02:45:33.123 --> 02:45:34.257 WE WANT TO SHARE BECAUSE WE 02:45:34.324 --> 02:45:36.092 WANT TO LEARN THINGS. WE WANT 02:45:36.159 --> 02:45:37.060 TO LEVERAGE THAT INFORMATION. 02:45:37.127 --> 02:45:38.762 AND WE NEED HELP FROM THIRD 02:45:38.828 --> 02:45:40.864 PARTIES IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 02:45:40.930 --> 02:45:42.699 BUT IT IS, I THINK, AN 02:45:42.766 --> 02:45:44.234 IMPERATIVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR 02:45:44.301 --> 02:45:45.935 THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE 02:45:46.002 --> 02:45:47.737 THAT WHEN CONSUMERS CHOOSE TO 02:45:47.804 --> 02:45:49.773 SHARE INFORMATION, WE KNOW THAT 02:45:49.839 --> 02:45:51.341 THAT INFORMATION WON'T BE 02:45:51.408 --> 02:45:52.475 MISUSED, AND WE KNOW THAT IT 02:45:52.542 --> 02:45:53.810 WILL BE HANDLED FAIRLY. SO 02:45:53.877 --> 02:45:56.713 THAT'S THE CHALLENGE I THINK 02:45:56.780 --> 02:45:59.282 THAT IS FACED BY BY THE 02:45:59.349 --> 02:46:00.317 TELEMATICS QUESTION. I KNOW 02:46:00.383 --> 02:46:02.085 THAT THE BILL SPONSORS IN THIS 02:46:02.152 --> 02:46:02.686 COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN WORKING 02:46:02.752 --> 02:46:04.354 WITH PRIVACY ADVOCATES AND 02:46:04.421 --> 02:46:05.755 OTHERS TO STRENGTHEN THE 02:46:05.822 --> 02:46:08.892 PRIVACY PROVISIONS OF THIS BILL, 02:46:08.958 --> 02:46:10.727 AND AS A RESULT, I THINK THIS 02:46:10.794 --> 02:46:12.862 LEGISLATION IS ON ITS WAY TO 02:46:12.929 --> 02:46:14.831 ESTABLISHING ITSELF AS THE 02:46:14.898 --> 02:46:16.866 LEADING PRIVACY PROTECTIVE 02:46:16.933 --> 02:46:18.335 FRAMEWORK FOR TELEMATICS IN THE 02:46:18.401 --> 02:46:20.136 UNITED STATES, JUST AS 02:46:20.203 --> 02:46:22.305 CALIFORNIA HAS DONE FOR SO MANY 02:46:22.372 --> 02:46:24.541 OTHER PRIVACY ISSUES. I'D LIKE 02:46:24.607 --> 02:46:26.409 TO JUST HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF 02:46:26.476 --> 02:46:27.644 KEY POINTS THAT I THINK THE 02:46:27.711 --> 02:46:30.513 BILL REALLY DOES QUITE WELL. IT 02:46:30.580 --> 02:46:32.315 BEGINS, OF COURSE, WITH VERY 02:46:32.382 --> 02:46:35.285 STRONG SENSE CONSENT RIGHTS TO 02:46:35.352 --> 02:46:36.986 MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN 02:46:37.053 --> 02:46:38.822 CHOOSE TO PARTICIPATE AND ALSO 02:46:38.888 --> 02:46:40.657 CAN CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE 02:46:40.724 --> 02:46:43.860 AND ARE NOT PENALIZED FOR THAT 02:46:43.927 --> 02:46:45.261 PARTICIPATION. VERY IMPORTANTLY, 02:46:45.328 --> 02:46:47.130 THERE ARE STRONG COLLECTION 02:46:47.197 --> 02:46:49.232 LIMITATIONS IN THIS BILL. ONLY 02:46:49.299 --> 02:46:51.901 DATA THAT IS NEEDED TO DETECT 02:46:51.968 --> 02:46:55.405 FOR FEATURES SPEEDING, ABRUPT 02:46:55.472 --> 02:46:56.806 BRAKING, FULL STOP WHEN 02:46:56.873 --> 02:46:58.675 REQUIRED, AND FREQUENT LANE 02:46:58.742 --> 02:47:00.777 CHANGES CAN BE COLLECTED. THEIR 02:47:00.844 --> 02:47:02.545 STRONG USAGE. UNFORTUNATELY, 02:47:02.612 --> 02:47:04.280 THIS. THIS. THIS DIGITAL DEVICE 02:47:04.347 --> 02:47:05.548 IS INDICATED THAT YOU ARE. 02:47:05.615 --> 02:47:07.217 YOU'RE. YOU HAVE SPED PAST THE 02:47:07.283 --> 02:47:09.819 TIME. WELL, THAT I HAVE TO 02:47:09.886 --> 02:47:12.655 RESPECT IT. I'M NOT A CITIZEN 02:47:12.722 --> 02:47:13.790 OF YOUR STATE, SO I DON'T 02:47:13.857 --> 02:47:15.725 REALLY FEEL I CAN URGE YOU TO 02:47:15.792 --> 02:47:17.660 VOTE I. BUT I DO SUPPORT THE 02:47:17.727 --> 02:47:18.628 EFFORT AND REALLY APPRECIATE 02:47:18.695 --> 02:47:19.863 ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE. THANK 02:47:19.929 --> 02:47:22.365 YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR. 02:47:22.432 --> 02:47:23.833 ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO 02:47:23.900 --> 02:47:25.602 REGISTER SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? 02:47:25.668 --> 02:47:26.970 PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE 02:47:27.036 --> 02:47:29.672 STAND UP. MIKE. GOOD AFTERNOON. 02:47:29.739 --> 02:47:30.907 ALLISON, ON BEHALF OF THE 02:47:30.974 --> 02:47:32.142 PERSONAL INSURANCE FEDERATION, 02:47:32.208 --> 02:47:33.243 HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS. WE'VE 02:47:33.309 --> 02:47:34.344 BEEN PROVIDING TECHNICAL 02:47:34.411 --> 02:47:35.578 SUPPORT AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR 02:47:35.645 --> 02:47:38.615 ANY QUESTIONS. GOOD AFTERNOON. 02:47:38.681 --> 02:47:40.116 SHERRY MCCUE, REPRESENTING THE 02:47:40.183 --> 02:47:41.484 PACIFIC ASSOCIATION OF DOMESTIC 02:47:41.551 --> 02:47:43.286 INSURANCE COMPANIES AND ON 02:47:43.353 --> 02:47:45.088 BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PROPERTY 02:47:45.155 --> 02:47:46.523 CASUALTY INSURANCE ASSOCIATION 02:47:46.589 --> 02:47:47.791 IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL. THANK 02:47:47.857 --> 02:47:51.327 YOU, MARK, ON BEHALF OF STREETS 02:47:51.394 --> 02:47:52.962 FOR ALL URGING A STRONG, STRONG 02:47:53.029 --> 02:47:55.899 AYE ON THIS BILL. THANK YOU, 02:47:55.965 --> 02:47:57.467 MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS, 02:47:57.534 --> 02:47:59.202 CHRISTIAN ANTONIO NUNEZ WITH ON 02:47:59.269 --> 02:48:00.236 BEHALF OF. STREETS ARE FOR 02:48:00.303 --> 02:48:01.137 EVERYONE WITH STRONG SUPPORT 02:48:01.204 --> 02:48:07.410 FOR THE BILL. ALL RIGHT. ANY 02:48:07.477 --> 02:48:09.212 OTHER WITNESSES IN SUPPORT? 02:48:09.279 --> 02:48:10.647 SEEING NONE. WE'RE NOW AT THE 02:48:10.713 --> 02:48:13.583 TIME FOR 1 OR 2 WITNESSES IN 02:48:13.650 --> 02:48:14.751 OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. PLEASE 02:48:14.818 --> 02:48:15.652 COME FORWARD TO THE WITNESS 02:48:15.718 --> 02:48:17.220 TABLE. WELCOME. AND YOU WILL 02:48:17.287 --> 02:48:22.525 ALSO EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. 02:48:22.592 --> 02:48:24.327 THANK YOU. BECCA KRAMER 02:48:24.394 --> 02:48:25.695 SPEAKING BOTH AS SOMEONE WHO 02:48:25.762 --> 02:48:27.564 WAS HIT WHILE WALKING HOME FROM 02:48:27.630 --> 02:48:28.998 ADVOCATING BEFORE THIS 02:48:29.065 --> 02:48:30.533 LEGISLATURE AND ALSO ON BEHALF 02:48:30.600 --> 02:48:32.135 OF PRIVACY RIGHTS CLEARINGHOUSE 02:48:32.202 --> 02:48:33.970 IN RESPECTFUL BUT STRONG 02:48:34.037 --> 02:48:36.206 OPPOSITION, A B 311 WOULD 02:48:36.272 --> 02:48:37.240 AUTHORIZE AN OPAQUE 02:48:37.307 --> 02:48:38.374 SURVEILLANCE PRICING 02:48:38.441 --> 02:48:40.143 INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A PRODUCT 02:48:40.210 --> 02:48:41.211 CALIFORNIANS ARE LEGALLY 02:48:41.277 --> 02:48:43.446 REQUIRED TO PURCHASE. 02:48:43.513 --> 02:48:44.447 CALIFORNIANS HAVE A 02:48:44.514 --> 02:48:45.882 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PRIVACY 02:48:45.949 --> 02:48:47.350 AND SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE 02:48:47.417 --> 02:48:48.885 BETWEEN EXERCISING THAT RIGHT 02:48:48.952 --> 02:48:51.054 AND AFFORDING A MANDATORY 02:48:51.120 --> 02:48:53.089 PRODUCT SIMILAR TO OTHER 02:48:53.156 --> 02:48:54.090 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, SUCH AS 02:48:54.157 --> 02:48:56.359 THE RIGHT TO VOTE. A RIGHT TO 02:48:56.426 --> 02:48:57.794 PRIVACY IS NOT A COMMODITY THAT 02:48:57.861 --> 02:48:59.696 CAN BE BOUGHT OR SOLD. PUTTING 02:48:59.762 --> 02:49:02.098 A PRICE TAG ON PRICES. PRIVACY 02:49:02.165 --> 02:49:03.733 GIVES LIE TO THE IDEA THAT IT 02:49:03.800 --> 02:49:05.802 IS A RIGHT AND PREYS ON 02:49:05.869 --> 02:49:07.136 INDIVIDUALS AT THE ECONOMIC 02:49:07.203 --> 02:49:10.073 MARGINS. TELEMATICS PROGRAMS 02:49:10.139 --> 02:49:11.140 SYSTEMATICALLY PENALIZE LOWER 02:49:11.207 --> 02:49:12.742 INCOME COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES 02:49:12.809 --> 02:49:14.344 OF COLOR, AND IMMIGRANT 02:49:14.410 --> 02:49:16.079 COMMUNITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, A 02:49:16.145 --> 02:49:17.714 CONSUMER REPORTS INVESTIGATION 02:49:17.780 --> 02:49:19.315 FOUND THAT TELEMATICS COMPANIES 02:49:19.382 --> 02:49:21.050 OFTEN SCORE DRIVERS ON FACTORS 02:49:21.117 --> 02:49:22.986 THAT CORRELATE STRONGLY WITH 02:49:23.052 --> 02:49:25.522 RACE AND INCOME. ADDITIONALLY, 02:49:25.588 --> 02:49:26.689 PRIVACY ORGANIZATIONS HAVE 02:49:26.756 --> 02:49:28.758 WARNED FOR YEARS ABOUT THE 02:49:28.825 --> 02:49:30.660 IMPOSSIBILITY OF DE-IDENTIFYING 02:49:30.727 --> 02:49:31.961 LOCATION DATA AND THE 02:49:32.028 --> 02:49:33.229 LIKELIHOOD THAT DATA BROKERS 02:49:33.296 --> 02:49:35.298 WILL PURCHASE SUPPOSEDLY 02:49:35.365 --> 02:49:37.100 DE-IDENTIFIED DATA SETS AND 02:49:37.166 --> 02:49:38.935 RE-IDENTIFY THEM. THE BILL 02:49:39.002 --> 02:49:40.370 CREATES THE COLLECTION 02:49:40.436 --> 02:49:41.371 INFRASTRUCTURE AND LEAVES AN 02:49:41.437 --> 02:49:43.907 OPEN BACK DOOR FOR NOMINALLY 02:49:43.973 --> 02:49:46.376 ANONYMIZED DATA TO TO FLOW TO 02:49:46.442 --> 02:49:48.912 DATA BROKERS AND TELEMATICS 02:49:48.978 --> 02:49:50.380 EXCHANGES WHO HAVE THE MEANS 02:49:50.446 --> 02:49:52.949 AND INCENTIVE TO RE-IDENTIFY IT. 02:49:53.016 --> 02:49:54.317 CURRENT LAW PREVENTS THIS RISK 02:49:54.384 --> 02:49:56.886 IN THE ONLY RELIABLE WAY BY 02:49:56.953 --> 02:49:57.954 PROHIBITING THE COLLECTION OF 02:49:58.021 --> 02:49:59.856 IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE 02:49:59.923 --> 02:50:01.491 BILL'S PRIVACY PROTECTIONS ARE 02:50:01.558 --> 02:50:03.326 BUILT ON UNDEFINED TERMS AND 02:50:03.393 --> 02:50:05.094 STANDARDS UNLIKELY TO BE 02:50:05.161 --> 02:50:07.330 ENFORCED. ALLOWS COLLECTION OF 02:50:07.397 --> 02:50:09.132 SENSITIVE LOCATION INFORMATION 02:50:09.198 --> 02:50:10.934 AFTER A CONSUMER REVOKES 02:50:11.000 --> 02:50:13.436 CONSENT WOULD ALLOW COMPANIES 02:50:13.503 --> 02:50:14.938 WHO HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD 02:50:15.004 --> 02:50:17.106 HIGHER DATA BREACH RATES THAN 02:50:17.173 --> 02:50:19.375 THE GENERAL BUSINESS POPULATION 02:50:19.442 --> 02:50:20.677 TO COLLECT THIS INFORMATION, 02:50:20.743 --> 02:50:22.845 AND HAS MANY OTHER PROBLEMS. WE 02:50:22.912 --> 02:50:27.584 URGE THE COMMITTEE TO VOTE NO. 02:50:27.650 --> 02:50:28.751 THANK YOU, CHAIR AND MEMBERS. 02:50:28.818 --> 02:50:29.786 CARMEN BARBER, EXECUTIVE 02:50:29.852 --> 02:50:32.555 DIRECTOR OF CONSUMER WATCHDOG, 02:50:32.622 --> 02:50:34.190 ALSO A SURVIVOR OF AN ACCIDENT 02:50:34.257 --> 02:50:36.559 AS A PEDESTRIAN. BUT 02:50:36.626 --> 02:50:37.594 UNFORTUNATELY, THE DANGEROUS 02:50:37.660 --> 02:50:39.462 DRIVERS THE PROPONENTS ARE 02:50:39.529 --> 02:50:40.830 TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT GOING TO 02:50:40.897 --> 02:50:42.765 BE THE ONES SIGNING UP TO BE 02:50:42.832 --> 02:50:43.766 TRACKED IN THEIR AUTOMOBILES. 02:50:43.833 --> 02:50:45.168 IN CALIFORNIA, AUTO INSURANCE 02:50:45.234 --> 02:50:46.502 HAS TO BE RATED ON DRIVERS 02:50:46.569 --> 02:50:49.172 ACTUAL DRIVING HISTORY, NOT THE 02:50:49.238 --> 02:50:50.540 PRODUCT OF AN UNVERIFIED 02:50:50.607 --> 02:50:51.941 ALGORITHM OR AI SYSTEM. 02:50:52.008 --> 02:50:53.810 PREDICTING FUTURE DRIVING. AND 02:50:53.876 --> 02:50:55.979 I WILL BE VERY CLEAR. THE 02:50:56.045 --> 02:50:56.980 STATE'S LEADING INSURANCE 02:50:57.046 --> 02:50:58.548 COMPANY AND THE LARGEST 02:50:58.615 --> 02:50:59.916 TELEMATICS PROVIDERS ARE 02:50:59.983 --> 02:51:01.250 PUTTING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF 02:51:01.317 --> 02:51:03.386 DOLLARS INTO AI TELEMATICS. SO 02:51:03.453 --> 02:51:05.388 WE'RE DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT 02:51:05.455 --> 02:51:07.423 AI. THE BILL FORCES DRIVERS TO 02:51:07.490 --> 02:51:08.524 STAY IN THE PROGRAM FOR THE 02:51:08.591 --> 02:51:10.426 LENGTH OF THEIR POLICY, SO THAT 02:51:10.493 --> 02:51:11.427 PREVENTS IMMEDIATE DELETION OF 02:51:11.494 --> 02:51:13.529 THEIR DATA EVEN IF THEY CALL TO 02:51:13.596 --> 02:51:15.098 DELETE IT. AND THAT'S IN 02:51:15.164 --> 02:51:17.500 CONFLICT WITH THE CCPA. 02:51:17.567 --> 02:51:18.601 INSURANCE COMPANIES CURRENTLY 02:51:18.668 --> 02:51:20.770 HAVE TO DISCLOSE PRECISELY HOW 02:51:20.837 --> 02:51:23.272 DRIVING SAFETY RECORD IMPACTS 02:51:23.339 --> 02:51:24.474 PRICE, AND THIS BILL WOULD MAKE 02:51:24.540 --> 02:51:25.742 THAT IMPOSSIBLE. IF ALGORITHMS 02:51:25.808 --> 02:51:28.745 SET PRICE TELEMATICS ARE TRULY 02:51:28.811 --> 02:51:30.913 NOT VOLUNTARY, BECAUSE OFFERING 02:51:30.980 --> 02:51:32.582 A DISCOUNT TO ONE GROUP FOR 02:51:32.649 --> 02:51:34.484 AGREEING TO TELEMATICS 02:51:34.550 --> 02:51:35.551 NECESSARILY MEANS EVERYONE ELSE 02:51:35.618 --> 02:51:38.388 WHO CHOOSES PRIVACY HAS TO PAY 02:51:38.454 --> 02:51:40.189 MORE, HAS TO PAY FOR THAT 02:51:40.256 --> 02:51:41.891 DISCOUNT. SO IF YOU CHOOSE 02:51:41.958 --> 02:51:43.860 PRIVACY, YOU'LL BE PENALIZED. 02:51:43.926 --> 02:51:45.628 AS BECCA SAID, THE LOOPHOLES IN 02:51:45.695 --> 02:51:46.896 THE BILL'S DEFINITIONS AND THE 02:51:46.963 --> 02:51:48.665 LACK OF OVERSIGHT OF TELEMATICS 02:51:48.731 --> 02:51:50.633 MODELS CRITICALLY WILL ALLOW 02:51:50.700 --> 02:51:51.768 COMPANIES TO USE ANY 02:51:51.834 --> 02:51:53.503 POTENTIALLY DISCRIMINATORY DATA 02:51:53.569 --> 02:51:55.338 THAT AN INSURER WANTS TO ARGUE 02:51:55.405 --> 02:51:57.807 IS RELATED TO DRIVING, AND 02:51:57.874 --> 02:51:59.008 GEOLOCATION IS ROUTINELY 02:51:59.075 --> 02:52:00.843 TRACKED BY TELEMATICS, WHICH 02:52:00.910 --> 02:52:02.145 MEANS THAT WILL BE OPEN TO ANY 02:52:02.211 --> 02:52:04.080 GOVERNMENT AGENCY WITH SUBPOENA 02:52:04.147 --> 02:52:06.916 POWER. NO INSURANCE COMPANY HAS 02:52:06.983 --> 02:52:08.651 PUBLICLY PROVEN THAT TELEMATICS 02:52:08.718 --> 02:52:10.420 ARE RELATED TO RISK, AND IN 02:52:10.486 --> 02:52:12.221 FACT, A CONSUMER REPORTS 02:52:12.288 --> 02:52:13.790 INVESTIGATION FOUND BREAKING 02:52:13.856 --> 02:52:15.124 SPEEDS THAT TELEMATICS 02:52:15.191 --> 02:52:16.225 COMPANIES WERE CALLING 02:52:16.292 --> 02:52:18.394 DANGEROUS WERE IN FACT 02:52:18.461 --> 02:52:19.796 CONSIDERED SAFE BY CONSUMER 02:52:19.862 --> 02:52:21.564 REPORTS AND A SIGN OF AN ALERT 02:52:21.631 --> 02:52:23.433 DRIVER. AND FINALLY, THIS BILL 02:52:23.499 --> 02:52:24.567 WOULD ALLOW EACH INSURANCE 02:52:24.634 --> 02:52:26.302 COMPANY TO CREATE A DIFFERENT 02:52:26.369 --> 02:52:27.403 DEFINITION OF WHAT A GOOD 02:52:27.470 --> 02:52:29.172 DRIVER IS, MEANING THAT GOOD 02:52:29.238 --> 02:52:30.940 DRIVERS WHO CHOOSE PRIVACY 02:52:31.007 --> 02:52:32.442 WOULD PAY MORE THAN WORSE 02:52:32.508 --> 02:52:33.910 DRIVERS WHO AGREE TO BE TRACKED. 02:52:33.976 --> 02:52:35.745 AND I URGE YOUR NO VOTE. THANK 02:52:35.812 --> 02:52:36.879 YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU TO 02:52:36.946 --> 02:52:38.748 YOU BOTH. THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS 02:52:38.815 --> 02:52:39.882 IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISH TO 02:52:39.949 --> 02:52:40.983 REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION TO 02:52:41.050 --> 02:52:49.192 THE BILL. HELLO. IN OPPOSITION 02:52:49.258 --> 02:52:50.793 ON BEHALF OF PRIVACY, DEFENSE 02:52:50.860 --> 02:52:52.295 ALLIANCE AND PRIVACY RIGHTS 02:52:52.361 --> 02:52:57.266 COALITION. HELLO. TRACY 02:52:57.333 --> 02:52:58.735 ROSENBERG WITH OAKLAND PRIVACY. 02:52:58.801 --> 02:53:01.370 WE ARE IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION 02:53:01.437 --> 02:53:07.243 TO THE BILL. CHRISTOPHER 02:53:07.310 --> 02:53:08.411 SANCHEZ, ON BEHALF OF THE 02:53:08.478 --> 02:53:09.178 CONSUMER FEDERATION OF 02:53:09.245 --> 02:53:10.580 CALIFORNIA AND RESPECTFUL 02:53:10.646 --> 02:53:13.850 OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON, 02:53:13.916 --> 02:53:16.018 CHAIR MEMBERS, ON BEHALF OF THE 02:53:16.085 --> 02:53:17.720 ACLU COLLECTION AND RESPECTFUL 02:53:17.787 --> 02:53:21.457 OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. GOOD 02:53:21.524 --> 02:53:23.192 AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS 02:53:23.259 --> 02:53:24.627 ARE EXPRESSING RESPECTFUL 02:53:24.694 --> 02:53:26.028 OPPOSITION ON BEHALF OF TECH 02:53:26.095 --> 02:53:30.366 EQUITY ACTION. THANK YOU. ALL 02:53:30.433 --> 02:53:31.434 RIGHT. SEEING NO ONE ELSE WILL 02:53:31.501 --> 02:53:32.535 RETURN TO THE COMMITTEE, 02:53:32.602 --> 02:53:35.738 SENATOR PADILLA, I KNOW THIS 02:53:35.805 --> 02:53:37.440 ISN'T SIMPLE, AND I APPRECIATE 02:53:37.507 --> 02:53:38.608 THE AUTHOR'S PERSISTENCE IN 02:53:38.674 --> 02:53:40.109 WORKING WITH CERTAINLY MY OWN 02:53:40.176 --> 02:53:41.210 COMMITTEE AND INSURANCE. AND 02:53:41.277 --> 02:53:42.612 THEN CERTAINLY ON THE PRIVACY 02:53:42.678 --> 02:53:43.780 QUESTION, I THINK WHAT I'M 02:53:43.846 --> 02:53:46.282 GRAPPLING WITH, YOU KNOW, GIVEN 02:53:46.349 --> 02:53:48.351 THAT THIS IS CONSENSUAL AND 02:53:48.417 --> 02:53:49.585 REQUIRES AN AFFIRMATIVE OPT IN, 02:53:49.652 --> 02:53:51.687 AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I DON'T I 02:53:51.754 --> 02:53:52.688 DON'T KNOW THE REASONABLE 02:53:52.755 --> 02:53:53.689 EXPECTATION PROBLEM OR THE 02:53:53.756 --> 02:53:56.325 EQUAL PROTECTION PROBLEM. I 02:53:56.392 --> 02:53:57.794 UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A 02:53:57.860 --> 02:53:59.195 DEBATE AROUND THE NATURE OF THE 02:53:59.262 --> 02:54:00.797 DATA AND WHAT THAT SHOWS AND 02:54:00.863 --> 02:54:02.131 WHAT IT IS MEASURING. AND I 02:54:02.198 --> 02:54:03.599 THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WORTHY 02:54:03.666 --> 02:54:06.035 OF CONTINUING DISCUSSION HERE 02:54:06.102 --> 02:54:08.538 AS TO THE EXACT, YOU KNOW, 02:54:08.604 --> 02:54:09.972 METHOD BY WHICH THE DATA IS 02:54:10.039 --> 02:54:12.408 APPLIED IN THE CONTEXT OF, OF 02:54:12.475 --> 02:54:13.643 BOTH, YOU KNOW, UNDERWRITING, 02:54:13.709 --> 02:54:14.911 BUT ALSO REALLY IN PROTECTING 02:54:14.977 --> 02:54:16.279 PEOPLE'S REASONABLE EXPECTATION 02:54:16.345 --> 02:54:18.614 OF PRIVACY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M 02:54:18.681 --> 02:54:19.782 HEARING THE STRAINS OF THAT, 02:54:19.849 --> 02:54:23.019 BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT HEARING A 02:54:23.085 --> 02:54:25.955 BASIS FOR IT, YOU KNOW, ON ITS 02:54:26.022 --> 02:54:27.290 OWN, IN ABSENCE OF SOME 02:54:27.356 --> 02:54:28.624 INFORMATION I MAY BE MISSING, I 02:54:28.691 --> 02:54:30.259 WOULD BE HAPPY TO. MR. CHAIRMAN, 02:54:30.326 --> 02:54:31.594 WITH YOUR PERMISSION OF THE 02:54:31.661 --> 02:54:33.296 AUTHOR AND EXPERT WITNESS TO 02:54:33.362 --> 02:54:35.198 MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THESE 02:54:35.264 --> 02:54:36.332 CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE HEARD AND 02:54:36.399 --> 02:54:38.835 CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP. IT IS IT'S 02:54:38.901 --> 02:54:40.603 IT'S AN OPT IN. THIS HAS BEEN 02:54:40.670 --> 02:54:43.739 AROUND SINCE 1996, AND IT HAS 02:54:43.806 --> 02:54:46.008 BEEN IT'S IT'S NEVER BEEN IT'S 02:54:46.075 --> 02:54:48.044 ALWAYS BEEN OPT IN. AND AS FAR 02:54:48.110 --> 02:54:49.712 AS WE TALK ABOUT MINORITIES, 02:54:49.779 --> 02:54:51.480 EVERYBODY KNOWS ME, KNOW ME. I 02:54:51.547 --> 02:54:52.481 FIGHT FOR MINORITIES AND I 02:54:52.548 --> 02:54:54.283 FIGHT FOR THE UNDER UNDERSERVED. 02:54:54.350 --> 02:54:55.885 AND SO IF WE LOOK AT INSURANCE 02:54:55.952 --> 02:54:58.588 RIGHT NOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'M 02:54:58.654 --> 02:55:00.323 GOING TO SAY MY CAR, I DRIVE A 02:55:00.389 --> 02:55:02.191 MERCEDES BENZ AND I LIVE IN 02:55:02.258 --> 02:55:03.192 INGLEWOOD. BUT INGLEWOOD 25 02:55:03.259 --> 02:55:04.794 YEARS AGO WAS A COMMUNITY THAT 02:55:04.861 --> 02:55:06.395 WAS KIND OF CRIME RIDDEN. AND 02:55:06.462 --> 02:55:07.563 IT HAD SOME THINGS GOING ON, 02:55:07.630 --> 02:55:10.266 BUT IT HAS IMPROVED ITSELF. AND 02:55:10.333 --> 02:55:12.301 I STILL GET CHARGED A LOT OF 02:55:12.368 --> 02:55:13.836 MONEY BECAUSE OF MY ADDRESS. 02:55:13.903 --> 02:55:15.404 AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHEN 02:55:15.471 --> 02:55:17.974 I FIRST SAW TELEMATICS BEFORE 02:55:18.040 --> 02:55:19.809 MY MY FRIENDS HAD PASSED AWAY, 02:55:19.876 --> 02:55:22.745 I LOOKED AT IT AS, AS, AS BEING 02:55:22.812 --> 02:55:25.248 FAIR BECAUSE THE SAME CAR THAT 02:55:25.314 --> 02:55:26.949 I'M DRIVING, A WOMAN, 61 YEAR 02:55:27.016 --> 02:55:29.118 OLD WOMAN, BLACK WOMAN IN 02:55:29.185 --> 02:55:30.653 BEVERLY HILLS, PAYS CHEAPER 02:55:30.720 --> 02:55:31.354 INSURANCE AND I PAY IN 02:55:31.420 --> 02:55:32.488 INGLEWOOD. SO WHEN WE TALK 02:55:32.555 --> 02:55:34.223 ABOUT INSURANCE, WHEN WE TALK 02:55:34.290 --> 02:55:35.391 ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BRING 02:55:35.458 --> 02:55:37.426 UP MINORITIES AND UNFAIR 02:55:37.493 --> 02:55:38.628 PRICING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE 02:55:38.694 --> 02:55:42.231 WHOLE PICTURE. AND SO I'LL I'LL 02:55:42.298 --> 02:55:44.200 LET YOU ADDRESS, I JUST MAYBE 02:55:44.267 --> 02:55:45.801 ADD A COUPLE POINTS. I THINK 02:55:45.868 --> 02:55:47.670 THERE'S A CONCERN EXPRESSED, 02:55:47.737 --> 02:55:51.807 OBVIOUSLY, ABOUT. POTENTIALLY 02:55:51.874 --> 02:55:54.343 UNVERIFIED OR UNSUBSTANTIATED 02:55:54.410 --> 02:55:56.913 RATING MODELS. I THINK THAT IS 02:55:56.979 --> 02:55:58.314 THE PROVINCE, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU 02:55:58.381 --> 02:56:01.918 WELL KNOW, MR. PADILLA, THE 02:56:01.984 --> 02:56:03.386 PROVINCE OF THE CDI, TO MAKE 02:56:03.452 --> 02:56:05.521 SURE TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS 02:56:05.588 --> 02:56:06.923 ARE PRESENTED. THERE'S NOTHING 02:56:06.989 --> 02:56:08.357 AUTOMATIC HERE, AS I UNDERSTAND 02:56:08.424 --> 02:56:10.860 THE MODELS WOULD HAVE TO BE 02:56:10.927 --> 02:56:13.529 PRESENTED AND SCRUTINIZED. I 02:56:13.596 --> 02:56:16.299 THINK THAT THE EVIDENCE FROM 02:56:16.365 --> 02:56:18.134 STATES THAT HAVE STUDIED THIS, 02:56:18.200 --> 02:56:19.902 EVEN SOME OF THE MORE CRITICAL 02:56:19.969 --> 02:56:21.437 REPORTS, AS YOU MAY KNOW, FOR 02:56:21.504 --> 02:56:22.305 EXAMPLE, FROM THE MARYLAND 02:56:22.371 --> 02:56:24.373 INSURANCE COMMISSION, FOUND 02:56:24.440 --> 02:56:26.342 THAT THERE WAS A PRETTY WIDE 02:56:26.409 --> 02:56:29.645 VARIETY OF. SOME DRIVERS SAU 02:56:29.712 --> 02:56:31.781 RATE DECREASES, SOME STAYED THE 02:56:31.847 --> 02:56:33.683 SAME AND SOME SAW RATE 02:56:33.749 --> 02:56:34.283 INCREASES. AND I THINK THAT'S 02:56:34.350 --> 02:56:36.085 WHAT YOU WANT. THERE WAS A 02:56:36.152 --> 02:56:38.654 MARGINAL INCREASE. THOSE WHO 02:56:38.721 --> 02:56:40.056 SAW DECREASES ACTUALLY 02:56:40.122 --> 02:56:42.558 OUTNUMBERED THOSE WHO SAW 02:56:42.625 --> 02:56:44.060 INCREASES. AND I'D ALSO SAY 02:56:44.126 --> 02:56:45.061 THAT OTHER STUDIES, PEER 02:56:45.127 --> 02:56:47.029 REVIEWED STUDIES HAVE SHOWN TO 02:56:47.096 --> 02:56:48.864 THE TO THE EQUITY POINT THAT 02:56:48.931 --> 02:56:52.234 THE COST SAVINGS ARE NEUTRAL AS 02:56:52.301 --> 02:56:54.503 TO RACE AND OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC 02:56:54.570 --> 02:56:55.638 FACTORS, AND REALLY APPEAR TO 02:56:55.705 --> 02:56:58.841 BE BASED ON BEHAVIOR. JUST ONE 02:56:58.908 --> 02:57:00.943 JUST AND WITH RESPECT TO THE 02:57:01.010 --> 02:57:02.812 TESTIMONY ABOUT THE CONCERNS 02:57:02.878 --> 02:57:04.880 AROUND POST REVOCATION 02:57:04.947 --> 02:57:08.517 COLLECTION OF DATA. DO YOU WANT 02:57:08.584 --> 02:57:12.188 TO ADDRESS THAT? THE. I'LL JUST 02:57:12.254 --> 02:57:13.823 POINT OUT THAT THAT IS ONE OF 02:57:13.889 --> 02:57:15.424 THE ISSUES THAT'S IN THE 02:57:15.491 --> 02:57:16.392 AMENDMENTS THAT THE AUTHORS 02:57:16.459 --> 02:57:17.493 AGREED TO TAKE, WHICH IS THAT 02:57:17.560 --> 02:57:20.429 THE UPON UPON REVOCATION OF 02:57:20.496 --> 02:57:22.898 CONSENT TO PARTICIPATE DATA 02:57:22.965 --> 02:57:23.866 COLLECTION, THE TELEMATICS 02:57:23.933 --> 02:57:25.568 COLLECTION WOULD CEASE. THANK 02:57:25.634 --> 02:57:26.535 YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THE 02:57:26.602 --> 02:57:27.737 CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU, THANK 02:57:27.803 --> 02:57:30.706 YOU. IF I COULD IF I COULD JUST 02:57:30.773 --> 02:57:34.543 SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION OF NÓ 02:57:34.610 --> 02:57:35.644 QUESTION WAS POSED TO YOU. I'M 02:57:35.711 --> 02:57:39.615 SORRY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK 02:57:39.682 --> 02:57:41.650 YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL THE 02:57:41.717 --> 02:57:44.153 WITNESSES AND AND TO THE AUTHOR. 02:57:44.220 --> 02:57:47.223 MR. VIGNEAULT WAS A A FRIEND 02:57:47.289 --> 02:57:48.491 AND A VOLUNTEER ON MY VERY 02:57:48.557 --> 02:57:50.493 FIRST CAMPAIGN IN A IN A, IN A 02:57:50.559 --> 02:57:51.660 FINE HUMAN BEING. I WISH YOU 02:57:51.727 --> 02:57:53.496 WERE WITH US TODAY. AND MAYBE 02:57:53.562 --> 02:57:54.697 IN SOME SENSE HE IS. I JUST 02:57:54.764 --> 02:57:56.499 WANTED TO REVIEW THE AMENDMENTS 02:57:56.565 --> 02:57:58.234 THAT THE THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR 02:57:58.300 --> 02:57:58.901 TODAY, THAT THAT WOULD BE 02:57:58.968 --> 02:58:00.036 COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS THAT WE 02:58:00.102 --> 02:58:01.804 WOULD PUT INTO FINAL DRAFTING 02:58:01.871 --> 02:58:02.972 FORM FOLLOWING THE HEARING AND 02:58:03.039 --> 02:58:04.907 CROSS THEM AT THE SAME TIME AS 02:58:04.974 --> 02:58:06.042 THE REPORT TO SECOND READING 02:58:06.108 --> 02:58:07.209 FROM THE COMMITTEE GOES TO THE 02:58:07.276 --> 02:58:09.445 FLOOR, AND THEY ARE THEY DO 02:58:09.512 --> 02:58:10.179 ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT 02:58:10.246 --> 02:58:11.914 THE OPPOSITION HAS RAISED. NOT 02:58:11.981 --> 02:58:13.749 ALL OF THEM BY ANY MEANS. THEY 02:58:13.816 --> 02:58:15.751 ARE JUST AT THE TOP LEVEL. THEY 02:58:15.818 --> 02:58:17.987 ARE INFORMED BY THE NOTION THAT 02:58:18.054 --> 02:58:20.156 PRIVACY, THE CONSTITUTIONAL 02:58:20.222 --> 02:58:22.058 RIGHT TO PRIVACY IS 02:58:22.124 --> 02:58:22.691 FUNDAMENTALLY THE 02:58:22.758 --> 02:58:23.826 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CONTROL 02:58:23.893 --> 02:58:25.361 YOUR DATA. IT'S NOT A IT IS NOT 02:58:25.428 --> 02:58:27.196 A BAR ON THE COMMERCIALIZATION 02:58:27.263 --> 02:58:28.297 OF DATA, BUT IT IS A 02:58:28.364 --> 02:58:30.199 REQUIREMENT THAT THE INDIVIDUAL 02:58:30.266 --> 02:58:32.068 HAS CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN 02:58:32.134 --> 02:58:33.803 CHOICES. AND THEN IN A HIGHLY 02:58:33.869 --> 02:58:35.571 COMMODITIZED, DATA COMMODITIZED 02:58:35.638 --> 02:58:37.406 ECONOMY, THAT IT CANNOT BE THE 02:58:37.473 --> 02:58:39.341 CASE THAT ONLY CONSUMERS DON'T 02:58:39.408 --> 02:58:40.910 HAVE THE RIGHT TO EVER USE 02:58:40.976 --> 02:58:42.545 THEIR DATA FOR THAT. EVERYBODY 02:58:42.611 --> 02:58:43.646 ELSE CAN MAKE MONEY AND BENEFIT 02:58:43.712 --> 02:58:45.181 EXCEPT FOR THE CONSUMER. AND SO 02:58:45.247 --> 02:58:46.382 THAT'S PART OF THE MOTIVATION 02:58:46.449 --> 02:58:47.416 FOR AMENDMENTS I'LL DESCRIBE IN 02:58:47.483 --> 02:58:49.251 A MOMENT. AND THE OTHER IS THAT 02:58:49.318 --> 02:58:52.154 IN THIS CASE, MAYBE NOT 02:58:52.221 --> 02:58:53.255 UNIQUELY, BUT IN THIS CASE, 02:58:53.322 --> 02:58:54.623 IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE 02:58:54.690 --> 02:58:55.624 AGREEMENT THAT'S BEING ENTERED 02:58:55.691 --> 02:58:57.927 INTO IS AN AGREEMENT FOR THE 02:58:57.993 --> 02:58:59.728 WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE 02:58:59.795 --> 02:59:01.831 TELEMATICS PROVIDER, IT IS THE 02:59:01.897 --> 02:59:04.033 DRIVER, THE CONSUMER THAT IS 02:59:04.100 --> 02:59:05.835 PRODUCING THE DATA. THE 02:59:05.901 --> 02:59:06.869 COMPANIES ARE NOT COLLECTING 02:59:06.936 --> 02:59:08.504 DATA THAT'S OUT, NOT OUT IN THE 02:59:08.571 --> 02:59:10.206 WORLD SOMEHOW JUST SORT OF 02:59:10.272 --> 02:59:11.640 RANDOMLY IN SOME WAY BY, BY 02:59:11.707 --> 02:59:13.409 IMMACULATE CONCEPTION, THE 02:59:13.476 --> 02:59:14.810 DRIVER IS AGREEING TO PRODUCE A 02:59:14.877 --> 02:59:17.413 SET OF DATA, AND THAT GIVES THE 02:59:17.480 --> 02:59:19.548 DRIVER MORE, AT LEAST IN THE 02:59:19.615 --> 02:59:21.283 CHAIR'S VIEW, MORE. I'M NOT 02:59:21.350 --> 02:59:22.918 GOING TO USE ANY I DON'T WANT 02:59:22.985 --> 02:59:24.720 TO SUGGEST A LEGAL TERM, BUT 02:59:24.787 --> 02:59:26.689 MORE OWNERSHIP, RIGHT, TO 02:59:26.755 --> 02:59:28.190 BENEFIT FROM THAT DATA THAN 02:59:28.257 --> 02:59:29.492 DATA THAT WOULD JUST BE 02:59:29.558 --> 02:59:31.393 COLLECTED OUT IN THE ETHER ON 02:59:31.460 --> 02:59:32.728 THEIR OWN. AND SO LET ME JUST 02:59:32.795 --> 02:59:34.196 SUMMARIZE THE, THE, THE 02:59:34.263 --> 02:59:36.365 AMENDMENT ISSUES THAT WE'VE 02:59:36.432 --> 02:59:39.602 DESCRIBED FIRST IS THAT THE 02:59:39.668 --> 02:59:41.737 BILL PROPOSES TO THE CORE OF 02:59:41.804 --> 02:59:43.439 THE BILL IS THAT THE TELEMATICS 02:59:43.506 --> 02:59:44.974 DATA COULD BE USED TO ESTABLISH 02:59:45.040 --> 02:59:46.509 THE DRIVER SAFETY DRIVING 02:59:46.575 --> 02:59:48.744 SAFETY RECORD, THAT CURRENTLY 02:59:48.811 --> 02:59:49.612 THE ONLY OPTION FOR 02:59:49.678 --> 02:59:50.479 ESTABLISHING THAT IS THROUGH 02:59:50.546 --> 02:59:54.016 THE DMV DATABASE. THAT IS A. 02:59:54.083 --> 02:59:55.484 THE DMV DATABASE IS NOT 02:59:55.551 --> 02:59:56.485 DEPENDENT ON YOUR INSURANCE 02:59:56.552 --> 02:59:58.454 PROVIDER. AND SO WE'VE AGREED 02:59:58.521 --> 03:00:00.189 THAT THE BILL WOULD BE AMENDED 03:00:00.256 --> 03:00:01.891 TO PROVIDE CONSUMERS THE 03:00:01.957 --> 03:00:03.759 ABILITY, THE PORTABILITY OF THE 03:00:03.826 --> 03:00:05.895 OF THE OF THE RELEVANT 03:00:05.961 --> 03:00:07.663 TELEMATICS DRIVING RECORD 03:00:07.730 --> 03:00:09.532 FOLLOWING THEIR SWITCH TO A 03:00:09.598 --> 03:00:11.200 DIFFERENT INSURANCE PROVIDER 03:00:11.267 --> 03:00:13.135 THAT THE THAT THE DATA THAT 03:00:13.202 --> 03:00:15.938 WOULD THAT IS THAT IS THE 03:00:16.005 --> 03:00:17.339 OBJECTIVE DATA USED TO 03:00:17.406 --> 03:00:18.507 ESTABLISH THE THE DRIVING 03:00:18.574 --> 03:00:21.010 SAFETY RECORD WOULD BE PORTABLE 03:00:21.076 --> 03:00:22.945 AT THE CONSUMER'S OPTION TO THE 03:00:23.012 --> 03:00:24.680 NEXT PROVIDER. SO THEY DON'T 03:00:24.747 --> 03:00:26.148 THEY ARE ABLE TO SWITCH WITHOUT 03:00:26.215 --> 03:00:27.283 THE PRESSURE TO STAY WITH A 03:00:27.349 --> 03:00:30.419 SINGLE PROVIDER FOREVER. SO THE 03:00:30.486 --> 03:00:31.520 WE'RE TALKING HERE SPECIFICALLY 03:00:31.587 --> 03:00:32.888 ABOUT THE DATA ELEMENTS THAT 03:00:32.955 --> 03:00:34.123 ARE USED TO ESTABLISH THE 03:00:34.190 --> 03:00:36.258 DRIVING RECORD, NOT THE MODELS, 03:00:36.325 --> 03:00:37.960 THE ALGORITHMS OR OTHERS, JUST 03:00:38.027 --> 03:00:39.728 THE RAW DATA THAT A DIFFERENT 03:00:39.795 --> 03:00:41.263 PROVIDER COULD THEN USE IN 03:00:41.330 --> 03:00:43.032 ORDER TO GENERATE AN IMMEDIATE 03:00:43.098 --> 03:00:44.433 DRIVER SAFETY DIRECTOR. IF THE 03:00:44.500 --> 03:00:45.801 CONSUMER CHOOSES TO TO CHANGE 03:00:45.868 --> 03:00:50.639 INSURANCE PROVIDERS. SECOND IS 03:00:50.706 --> 03:00:53.742 THAT THE, THE, THE, THE MAIN, 03:00:53.809 --> 03:00:55.578 THE MAIN POLICY IDEA HERE IS 03:00:55.644 --> 03:00:56.712 THAT THE TELEMATICS WILL 03:00:56.779 --> 03:00:58.280 IMPROVE DRIVING. RIGHT. IT'S 03:00:58.347 --> 03:01:00.583 NOT MAINLY ABOUT CHANGING THE 03:01:00.649 --> 03:01:01.383 INSURANCE ISSUES, ALTHOUGH 03:01:01.450 --> 03:01:02.518 THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT, 03:01:02.585 --> 03:01:04.386 BUT THAT THE TELEMATICS WILL BE 03:01:04.453 --> 03:01:05.988 USED THEN BY THE DRIVER TO 03:01:06.055 --> 03:01:08.157 DRIVE MORE SAFELY AND TO THEIR 03:01:08.224 --> 03:01:10.059 BENEFIT, AND TO THE REST OF OF 03:01:10.125 --> 03:01:11.727 TO OTHERS ON THE, ON THE ROAD 03:01:11.794 --> 03:01:13.295 AND TO PEDESTRIANS AS WELL. AND 03:01:13.362 --> 03:01:15.164 SO THE SECOND IS IN THE AREA OF 03:01:15.231 --> 03:01:17.032 THE ABILITY OF THE DRIVER TO 03:01:17.099 --> 03:01:19.134 USE THE INFORMATION FIRST TO 03:01:19.201 --> 03:01:21.503 IMPROVE THEIR DRIVING, SO THAT 03:01:21.570 --> 03:01:24.039 WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE A 03:01:24.106 --> 03:01:25.841 STANDARD, BUT NOT NOT IN THE 03:01:25.908 --> 03:01:27.876 BILL PRACTICE OF 30 DAYS OF 03:01:27.943 --> 03:01:29.078 DATA COLLECTION THAT THE 03:01:29.144 --> 03:01:30.145 CONSUMER WOULD FIRST GET THE 03:01:30.212 --> 03:01:31.747 DATA COLLECTION, THE DATA 03:01:31.814 --> 03:01:35.117 REPORT THAT SAYS MR. KAPRISKY, 03:01:35.184 --> 03:01:36.986 YOUR BRAKE TOO HARD AND YOU 03:01:37.052 --> 03:01:39.888 DON'T STOP AT LIGHTS THAT THAT 03:01:39.955 --> 03:01:41.357 HE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY 03:01:41.423 --> 03:01:43.859 TO IMPROVE HIS DRIVING BEFORE 03:01:43.926 --> 03:01:46.328 AT HIS OPTION BEFORE IT'S USED 03:01:46.395 --> 03:01:48.497 BY THE COMPANY BEFORE HIM. AND 03:01:48.564 --> 03:01:50.699 SO THE, THE SECOND AREA OF 03:01:50.766 --> 03:01:51.767 AMENDMENTS IS ENSURING THAT THE 03:01:51.834 --> 03:01:54.236 CONSUMER HAS THE ABILITY TO USE 03:01:54.303 --> 03:01:56.071 THE INFORMATION IN THE 03:01:56.138 --> 03:01:57.439 TELEMATICS TO IMPROVE THEIR 03:01:57.506 --> 03:01:59.308 DRIVING BEFORE IT'S USED BY THE 03:01:59.375 --> 03:02:00.776 COMPANY TO RATE THEIR INSURANCE, 03:02:00.843 --> 03:02:05.080 IF THEY SO CHOOSE. THIRD, IN 03:02:05.147 --> 03:02:06.849 ADDITION, THE DELETION OF THE 03:02:06.915 --> 03:02:08.651 DATA THAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED 03:02:08.717 --> 03:02:11.186 HERE THAT THE DELETION WOULD BE. 03:02:11.253 --> 03:02:15.891 OR. THE RETENTION WOULD ONLY BE 03:02:15.958 --> 03:02:16.892 FOR THE PURPOSES OF 03:02:16.959 --> 03:02:18.694 FACILITATING PORTABILITY OR 03:02:18.761 --> 03:02:19.762 COMPLYING WITH LAW AND 03:02:19.828 --> 03:02:21.196 REGULATIONS AND AND 03:02:21.263 --> 03:02:22.398 COMMISSIONER APPROVED RATING 03:02:22.464 --> 03:02:24.433 PLANS AND FOR FRAUD PREVENTION, 03:02:24.500 --> 03:02:26.702 REGULATORY EXAMINATION, AND 03:02:26.769 --> 03:02:29.905 OTHER LEGAL OBLIGATIONS. NEXT 03:02:29.972 --> 03:02:32.808 IS A RESTRICTION ON OTHER DATA 03:02:32.875 --> 03:02:34.576 COLLECTION INSIDE THE CAR AND 03:02:34.643 --> 03:02:37.446 OUTSIDE OF THE CAR. SO 03:02:37.513 --> 03:02:39.248 PROHIBITING COLLECTION OF OF 03:02:39.315 --> 03:02:41.216 STRING OF STRING SCREEN 03:02:41.283 --> 03:02:42.117 CAPTURES, EXCEPT FOR THE 03:02:42.184 --> 03:02:44.253 PURPOSES OF DISTRACTED DRIVING 03:02:44.320 --> 03:02:45.754 DETERMINATIONS, AS WELL AS 03:02:45.821 --> 03:02:48.357 OTHER OTHER CONNECTED VEHICLE 03:02:48.424 --> 03:02:50.225 INFORMATION. SO FOR, FOR 03:02:50.292 --> 03:02:52.328 EXAMPLE, WHAT SONGS ARE, ARE 03:02:52.394 --> 03:02:54.396 YOU LISTENING TO HEAVY METAL OR, 03:02:54.463 --> 03:02:57.266 OR DE LA SOUL ON YOUR ON YOUR 03:02:57.333 --> 03:02:59.134 SPOTIFY? MAYBE SOMEBODY MIGHT 03:02:59.201 --> 03:03:00.402 THINK THAT'S RELEVANT TO YOUR 03:03:00.469 --> 03:03:01.537 DRIVING. IT'S NOT RELEVANT 03:03:01.603 --> 03:03:02.971 UNDER THIS BILL. AND, AND THE 03:03:03.038 --> 03:03:04.540 COMPANIES WOULD BE PROHIBITED 03:03:04.606 --> 03:03:06.642 FROM, FROM COLLECTING ANY OF 03:03:06.709 --> 03:03:08.077 THAT DATA. SO THE DATA IS ONLY 03:03:08.143 --> 03:03:09.445 FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE 03:03:09.511 --> 03:03:10.946 AUTHORIZED DRIVER BEHAVIOR DATA 03:03:11.013 --> 03:03:12.748 TO, TO FORM THE DRIVING SAFETY 03:03:12.815 --> 03:03:15.184 RECORD THAT AS WAS INDICATED 03:03:15.250 --> 03:03:16.985 EARLIER, CONSUMERS CAN REVOKE 03:03:17.052 --> 03:03:17.786 PARTICIPATION AT ANY TIME, AND 03:03:17.853 --> 03:03:20.222 THE DATA COLLECTION WILL CEASE 03:03:20.289 --> 03:03:22.057 WHEN THEY LEAVE THE TELEMATICS 03:03:22.124 --> 03:03:25.461 PROGRAM. AND THE DATA ITSELF 03:03:25.527 --> 03:03:28.163 COULD BE RETAINED FOR TO THE 03:03:28.230 --> 03:03:30.432 EXTENT NECESSARY BY THE 03:03:30.499 --> 03:03:31.433 PROVISIONS I JUST OUTLINED A 03:03:31.500 --> 03:03:36.872 MOMENT AGO. AND THEN THAT THIS 03:03:36.939 --> 03:03:39.041 DISCLOSURE OF THE DATA WOULD BE 03:03:39.108 --> 03:03:40.809 PURSUANT ONLY TO LAWFUL LEGAL 03:03:40.876 --> 03:03:41.810 PROCESSES. THIS COMMITTEE HAS 03:03:41.877 --> 03:03:43.045 BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH 03:03:43.112 --> 03:03:44.813 RESPECT TO ADMINISTRATIVE 03:03:44.880 --> 03:03:45.414 SUBPOENAS FROM THE DEPARTMENT 03:03:45.481 --> 03:03:47.182 OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND OTHER 03:03:47.249 --> 03:03:48.350 INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE OF 03:03:48.417 --> 03:03:49.752 QUESTIONABLE ENFORCEABILITY. 03:03:49.818 --> 03:03:51.954 AND SO THE AMENDMENTS WOULD 03:03:52.020 --> 03:03:53.455 REQUIRE THAT THESE BE SUBJECT 03:03:53.522 --> 03:03:55.023 NOT JUST TO ANY SUBPOENA, BUT 03:03:55.090 --> 03:03:56.225 ONLY TO THOSE THAT ARE IN FORCE, 03:03:56.291 --> 03:03:57.993 ONLY TO THOSE LEGAL INSTRUMENTS 03:03:58.060 --> 03:04:00.262 THAT ARE ENFORCEABLE, AND THAT 03:04:00.329 --> 03:04:02.664 THE ALLOWANCE IN THE BILL FOR 03:04:02.731 --> 03:04:03.732 DE-IDENTIFIED, AGGREGATED 03:04:03.799 --> 03:04:04.833 INFORMATION BE USED BY STATE 03:04:04.900 --> 03:04:05.901 AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, 03:04:05.968 --> 03:04:07.035 WHICH IS CRITICAL FOR ROADWAY 03:04:07.102 --> 03:04:09.104 SAFETY AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, 03:04:09.171 --> 03:04:10.873 THAT THAT EVEN DE-IDENTIFIED 03:04:10.939 --> 03:04:12.007 AGGREGATED INFORMATION WOULD 03:04:12.074 --> 03:04:14.109 NOT BE AVAILABLE TO BE PROVIDED 03:04:14.176 --> 03:04:15.978 BY ANY COMPANY TO A FEDERAL 03:04:16.044 --> 03:04:21.450 AGENCY. AGAIN, EVEN IF IT IS 03:04:21.517 --> 03:04:23.952 DE-IDENTIFIED. AND THEN FINALLY, 03:04:24.019 --> 03:04:26.488 TO ASSURE THAT INSURERS 03:04:26.555 --> 03:04:27.956 EXERCISE APPROPRIATE OVERSIGHT 03:04:28.023 --> 03:04:29.691 OVER THIRD PARTY TELEMATICS 03:04:29.758 --> 03:04:31.527 PROVIDERS BY APPLYING A NEW OR 03:04:31.593 --> 03:04:32.594 REASONABLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN 03:04:32.661 --> 03:04:34.430 STANDARD FOR VIOLATION BY THOSE 03:04:34.496 --> 03:04:35.798 PROVIDERS TO THE INSURANCE 03:04:35.864 --> 03:04:37.399 COMPANIES THEMSELVES. SO THOSE 03:04:37.466 --> 03:04:39.067 ARE THE SET OF AMENDMENTS THAT 03:04:39.134 --> 03:04:40.602 ARE THAT HAVE BEEN AGREED TO, 03:04:40.669 --> 03:04:42.738 AND OUR STAFF WOULD BE DRAFTING 03:04:42.805 --> 03:04:43.505 IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE 03:04:43.572 --> 03:04:45.307 HEARING FOR FOR REPORT OUT TO 03:04:45.374 --> 03:04:47.676 THE FLOOR. I WILL ALSO NOTE 03:04:47.743 --> 03:04:49.478 THAT THERE ARE OTHER AMENDMENTS 03:04:49.545 --> 03:04:50.712 THAT ARE ALSO PENDING RELEVANT 03:04:50.779 --> 03:04:52.781 TO THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE, 03:04:52.848 --> 03:04:54.950 THAT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO DO 03:04:55.017 --> 03:04:56.185 THAT ARE NOT PART OF THESE, BUT 03:04:56.251 --> 03:04:58.020 ARE, BUT ARE SEPARATE WOULD BE 03:04:58.086 --> 03:04:59.087 CONSIDERED AT ANOTHER POINT IN 03:04:59.154 --> 03:05:01.023 THE PROCESS. SO AND I WANT TO 03:05:01.089 --> 03:05:02.224 THANK THE THE THE AUTHOR AND 03:05:02.291 --> 03:05:04.126 HER TEAM FOR, FOR AN EXTENSIVE 03:05:04.193 --> 03:05:05.961 AMOUNT OF WORK. AND I WILL SAY 03:05:06.028 --> 03:05:07.229 THIS AT THE END OF THE HEARING, 03:05:07.296 --> 03:05:09.131 BUT I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK 03:05:09.198 --> 03:05:10.966 YOU TO MR. KUROWSKI, THE CHIEF 03:05:11.033 --> 03:05:12.100 OF THE COMMITTEE, AND TO, AND 03:05:12.167 --> 03:05:14.136 TO AND TO, TO TO BEN, WHO HAVE 03:05:14.203 --> 03:05:15.971 PUT IN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF 03:05:16.038 --> 03:05:17.239 TIME IN A VERY QUICK AMOUNT, IN 03:05:17.306 --> 03:05:19.041 A VERY QUICK TIME PERIOD IN 03:05:19.107 --> 03:05:20.943 ORDER TO TRY TO GET THERE. I 03:05:21.009 --> 03:05:22.644 PERSONALLY AM I DO BELIEVE IN 03:05:22.711 --> 03:05:24.046 THE POTENTIAL OF THIS 03:05:24.112 --> 03:05:26.248 TECHNOLOGY AND, AND THE POWER 03:05:26.315 --> 03:05:27.883 OF IT TO INCREASE, INCREASE 03:05:27.950 --> 03:05:30.619 SAFETY FOR EVERYONE. AND AT THE 03:05:30.686 --> 03:05:31.954 SAME TIME, IT'S IMPORTANT AT 03:05:32.020 --> 03:05:34.256 THE OUTSET TO, TO GET AT THE 03:05:34.323 --> 03:05:36.492 PRIVACY ISSUES AS RIGHT AS 03:05:36.558 --> 03:05:38.560 POSSIBLE, BOTH BECAUSE IT'S 03:05:38.627 --> 03:05:39.394 CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED, IT'S 03:05:39.461 --> 03:05:40.863 THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND ALSO 03:05:40.929 --> 03:05:42.498 BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY, LIKE 03:05:42.564 --> 03:05:43.899 MANY OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'VE 03:05:43.966 --> 03:05:46.101 TALKED ABOUT TODAY, INNOVATION 03:05:46.168 --> 03:05:47.970 REQUIRES TRUST AND IT REQUIRES 03:05:48.036 --> 03:05:51.073 US, MOST CONSUMERS AND CITIZENS 03:05:51.139 --> 03:05:52.374 EXPECT THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE 03:05:52.441 --> 03:05:54.042 SET APPROPRIATE GUARDRAILS SO 03:05:54.109 --> 03:05:56.945 THAT IT'S SAFE FOR THEM TO 03:05:57.012 --> 03:05:57.913 ENGAGE WITH THAT. INNOVATION 03:05:57.980 --> 03:05:59.014 AND INNOVATION IS ALWAYS 03:05:59.081 --> 03:06:00.949 DEPENDENT ON REGULATION, AND 03:06:01.016 --> 03:06:02.651 THE AMENDMENTS IN THE BILL 03:06:02.718 --> 03:06:03.952 ATTEMPT TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH 03:06:04.019 --> 03:06:05.554 THAT. SO WITH THOSE WITH THOSE 03:06:05.621 --> 03:06:06.989 AMENDMENTS, I'LL BE SUPPORTING 03:06:07.055 --> 03:06:09.858 THE BILL TODAY AS WELL. AND 03:06:09.925 --> 03:06:10.626 ASSEMBLY MEMBER MCKENNA, WOULD 03:06:10.692 --> 03:06:12.160 YOU LIKE TO CLOSE? YES. I'D 03:06:12.227 --> 03:06:13.462 LIKE TO AGAIN THANK THE CHAIR 03:06:13.529 --> 03:06:15.330 AND THE AND THE CONSULTANTS FOR 03:06:15.397 --> 03:06:17.766 THE STAFF FOR ALL THE HARD WORK 03:06:17.833 --> 03:06:19.601 YOU DID TO GET THIS BILL HERE. 03:06:19.668 --> 03:06:21.169 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE 03:06:21.236 --> 03:06:23.372 HAVE THE BEST THE BEST BILL WE 03:06:23.438 --> 03:06:25.474 CAN HAVE ON TELEMATICS. YOU 03:06:25.541 --> 03:06:26.475 KNOW, THE REASON AGAIN, THE 03:06:26.542 --> 03:06:27.676 REASON WHY I DID THIS IS 03:06:27.743 --> 03:06:29.578 BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE SAFER 03:06:29.645 --> 03:06:31.914 STREETS LOSING MY FRIENDS. I 03:06:31.980 --> 03:06:33.382 KNEW I HAD TO DO SOMETHING, AND 03:06:33.448 --> 03:06:35.117 I KNOW I CAN HEAR JOHN WIENER 03:06:35.183 --> 03:06:36.985 TELLING ME NOT TO GIVE UP AND 03:06:37.052 --> 03:06:38.086 TO KEEP FIGHTING. AND SO YOU 03:06:38.153 --> 03:06:40.022 SEE HIM WHEN YOU SAY HE'S 03:06:40.088 --> 03:06:41.089 PROBABLY HERE WITH US. YES, HE 03:06:41.156 --> 03:06:42.958 IS, AND HE'S PUSHING ME TO 03:06:43.025 --> 03:06:44.092 CONTINUE TO FIGHT. BUT, YOU 03:06:44.159 --> 03:06:45.260 KNOW, TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO 03:06:45.327 --> 03:06:46.929 SLOW DOWN, I THINK THAT'S A 03:06:46.995 --> 03:06:48.130 GOOD THING. AND WITH THAT, I 03:06:48.196 --> 03:06:52.100 ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU. 03:06:52.167 --> 03:06:53.302 THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION ON 03:06:53.368 --> 03:06:55.137 THE BILL? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. 03:06:55.203 --> 03:06:56.271 THANK THE AUTHOR. MOVE THE BILL. 03:06:56.338 --> 03:06:58.106 ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY 03:06:58.173 --> 03:07:00.609 SENATOR, BY THE. PLEASE CALL. 03:07:00.676 --> 03:07:02.377 AND THE MOTION IS DO PASS, AS 03:07:02.444 --> 03:07:04.513 AMENDED, TO APPROPRIATIONS. 03:07:04.580 --> 03:07:06.481 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. SENATORS. 03:07:06.548 --> 03:07:09.351 COBALT AND COBALT. I. SATO. 03:07:09.418 --> 03:07:11.119 GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. OCHOA. 03:07:11.186 --> 03:07:13.322 PADILLA. PADILLA. I REYES. 03:07:13.388 --> 03:07:16.858 UMBERG. WIENER. Tê. THANK YOU. 03:07:16.925 --> 03:07:18.026 OVERWHELMING VOTE OF 2 TO 0. WE 03:07:18.093 --> 03:07:35.978 WILL PLACE THAT MEASURE ON CALL. 03:07:38.880 --> 03:07:41.283 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF 03:07:41.350 --> 03:07:43.218 LIKE LESS THAN FOUR MINUTE 03:07:43.285 --> 03:07:46.388 RECESS AND THEN RETURN NÓ 03:07:46.455 --> 03:07:47.789 ASSEMBLY MEMBER HAS BEEN 03:07:47.856 --> 03:07:49.691 PATIENTLY WAITING. HALF THIS 03:07:49.758 --> 03:07:50.826 COMMITTEE IS ON THE BUDGET 03:07:50.892 --> 03:07:51.860 COMMITTEE AND I'M THE FINAL 03:07:51.927 --> 03:07:53.695 PERSON TO GO VOTE, AND THERE'S 03:07:53.762 --> 03:07:55.063 NO ONE ELSE HERE AT THE MOMENT, 03:07:55.130 --> 03:07:56.999 BUT. SO WE'RE GOING TO RECESS 03:07:57.065 --> 03:07:58.066 FOR A MOMENT WHEN SENATOR 03:07:58.133 --> 03:07:59.034 PADILLA RETURNS, WHICH WILL 03:07:59.101 --> 03:08:00.836 PROBABLY BE BEFORE I DO, HE 03:08:00.902 --> 03:08:02.070 WILL BE TAKING THE GAVEL TO GET 03:08:02.137 --> 03:08:03.972 US STARTED, TO MAKE SURE WE CAN 03:08:04.039 --> 03:08:05.374 CAN HELP, HELP THE ASSEMBLY 03:08:05.440 --> 03:08:06.842 MEMBERS GET TO PRESENTATION AND 03:08:06.908 --> 03:08:08.076 PASSAGE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO 03:08:08.143 --> 03:08:09.077 THE COMMITTEE WILL STAND IN 03:08:09.144 --> 03:08:10.946 BRIEF RECESS, AND THEN WE WILL 03:08:11.013 --> 03:08:27.429 RECONVENE MOMENTARILY. 03:08:40.208 --> 03:08:41.343 RIGHT. WELCOME BACK. THANK YOU 03:08:41.410 --> 03:08:42.644 FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE'LL 03:08:42.711 --> 03:08:43.779 RECONVENE THE COMMITTEE THAT 03:08:43.845 --> 03:08:45.914 TAKES US TO FILE ITEM NUMBER 12, 03:08:45.981 --> 03:08:49.051 A B 2575 BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER 03:08:49.117 --> 03:08:51.253 ORTEGA. WELCOME WITNESSES. FEEL 03:08:51.319 --> 03:08:56.992 FREE TO APPROACH. I WILL NOT 03:08:57.059 --> 03:09:02.097 HAVE ANY WELCOME. THANK YOU. 03:09:02.164 --> 03:09:04.966 PROCEED WHEN READY. THANK YOU, 03:09:05.033 --> 03:09:06.668 CHAIR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO 03:09:06.735 --> 03:09:11.440 PRESENT A B 2575 TODAY. I MAY 03:09:11.506 --> 03:09:13.642 OFFER PROMISE AND HEALTH CARE 03:09:13.709 --> 03:09:15.077 WORKERS ARE RELYING ON IT MORE 03:09:15.143 --> 03:09:17.546 AND MORE. BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 03:09:17.612 --> 03:09:21.783 AI GETS IT WRONG? KNOWING THIS, 03:09:21.850 --> 03:09:23.985 THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER FOUND 03:09:24.052 --> 03:09:26.488 THAT MOST AMERICANS ARE MORE 03:09:26.555 --> 03:09:29.658 CONCERNED THAN EXCITED OVER AI. 03:09:29.725 --> 03:09:31.126 THIS IS BECAUSE IN THE REAL 03:09:31.193 --> 03:09:32.961 WORLD, CLINICAL JUDGMENT RELIES 03:09:33.028 --> 03:09:35.197 ON MORE THAN DATA INPUTS. 03:09:35.263 --> 03:09:37.232 HEALTH CARE WORKERS USE SIGHT, 03:09:37.299 --> 03:09:39.534 SOUND, TOUCH, AND SMELL TO MAKE 03:09:39.601 --> 03:09:42.704 THE RIGHT CALL. AI MODELS CAN 03:09:42.771 --> 03:09:44.806 GENERATE FALSE ALARMS, MISS 03:09:44.873 --> 03:09:47.442 SERIOUS CONDITIONS, AND REFLECT 03:09:47.509 --> 03:09:49.244 THE SAME BIASES THAT EXIST IN 03:09:49.311 --> 03:09:52.080 THE DATA THEY WERE TRAINED ON. 03:09:52.147 --> 03:09:54.950 AI IS A NEW, RAPIDLY DEVELOPING 03:09:55.016 --> 03:09:57.085 TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ARE STILL 03:09:57.152 --> 03:09:59.955 EXPERIMENTING WITH. MANY AI 03:10:00.021 --> 03:10:01.423 DEVELOPERS DON'T KNOW HOW THESE 03:10:01.490 --> 03:10:03.592 BLACK BOXES WORK, LET ALONE THE 03:10:03.658 --> 03:10:05.026 HEALTH CARE WORKERS THAT USE IT 03:10:05.093 --> 03:10:09.998 TO SAVE LIVES. A B 2575 WOULD 03:10:10.065 --> 03:10:11.566 PROVIDE GUARDRAILS TO ENSURE 03:10:11.633 --> 03:10:14.069 THESE HIGH RISK TOOLS USED TO 03:10:14.136 --> 03:10:16.905 SAVE HUMAN LIVES HAVE HUMAN 03:10:16.972 --> 03:10:20.609 OVERSIGHT. WITH ME TO TESTIFY 03:10:20.675 --> 03:10:23.044 IN SUPPORT IS KATHY KENNEDY, 03:10:23.111 --> 03:10:24.146 PRESIDENT OF THE CALIFORNIA 03:10:24.212 --> 03:10:27.015 NURSES ASSOCIATION, AND SARAH 03:10:27.082 --> 03:10:28.150 FLOCKS FROM THE CALIFORNIA 03:10:28.216 --> 03:10:30.185 LABOR FEDERATION. THANK YOU. 03:10:30.252 --> 03:10:31.419 WELCOME. YOU'LL EACH HAVE TWO 03:10:31.486 --> 03:10:33.088 MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, GOOD 03:10:33.155 --> 03:10:34.089 AFTERNOON. AS SHE MENTIONED, MY 03:10:34.156 --> 03:10:35.524 NAME IS KATHY KENNEDY. I'M A 03:10:35.590 --> 03:10:36.758 REGISTERED NURSE, PRESIDENT OF 03:10:36.825 --> 03:10:38.360 CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION, 03:10:38.426 --> 03:10:41.429 AND CO-SPONSOR OF AB 2575, WITH 03:10:41.496 --> 03:10:43.532 MORE THAN 46 YEARS AS A 03:10:43.598 --> 03:10:44.833 REGISTERED NURSE. I KNOW THAT 03:10:44.900 --> 03:10:47.102 SAFE PATIENT CARE IS NEVER JUST 03:10:47.169 --> 03:10:48.503 ABOUT WHAT IS ON THE COMPUTER 03:10:48.570 --> 03:10:50.405 SCREEN OR IN A CHART. PATIENT 03:10:50.472 --> 03:10:51.873 CARE IS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE 03:10:51.940 --> 03:10:53.675 PERSON THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, 03:10:53.742 --> 03:10:54.676 COMBINING THE NURSING PROCESS 03:10:54.743 --> 03:10:56.912 WITH HOLISTIC, HANDS ON CARE. 03:10:56.978 --> 03:10:58.280 SO WHEN HEALTH CARE EMPLOYERS 03:10:58.346 --> 03:10:59.781 ASK NURSES TO RELY ON 03:10:59.848 --> 03:11:01.850 TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CANNOT 03:11:01.917 --> 03:11:03.351 MEANINGFULLY EVALUATE OR 03:11:03.418 --> 03:11:04.886 OVERRIDE, OUR PATIENT SAFETY IS 03:11:04.953 --> 03:11:08.056 AT RISK. NURSES USING ALL OF 03:11:08.123 --> 03:11:10.225 OUR SENSES, SKILLS AND CLINICAL 03:11:10.292 --> 03:11:11.726 EXPERTISE, FREQUENTLY CAN 03:11:11.793 --> 03:11:12.828 IDENTIFY CONDITIONS IN OUR 03:11:12.894 --> 03:11:14.930 PATIENTS THAT AI TOOLS CANNOT 03:11:14.996 --> 03:11:16.431 CAPTURE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN 03:11:16.498 --> 03:11:18.900 A PATIENT PRESENTS WITH SOME 03:11:18.967 --> 03:11:20.635 EPIGASTRIC PAIN NEAR THEIR 03:11:20.702 --> 03:11:24.973 UPPER ABDOMINAL AREA, AI MAY 03:11:25.040 --> 03:11:26.741 SAY AND THINK THAT IT WAS A 03:11:26.808 --> 03:11:29.044 STOMACH ISSUE. HOWEVER, NURSES 03:11:29.110 --> 03:11:30.545 CAN OBSERVE THAT A PATIENT'S 03:11:30.612 --> 03:11:33.281 SKIN MAY ALSO BE CLAMMY, THEIR 03:11:33.348 --> 03:11:35.383 SKIN TONE IS PALE AND WITH 03:11:35.450 --> 03:11:37.285 QUESTION MAYBE THIS IS CARDIAC 03:11:37.352 --> 03:11:38.486 RELATED, POSSIBLY A HEART 03:11:38.553 --> 03:11:40.222 ATTACK. IN THESE MOMENTS WHEN 03:11:40.288 --> 03:11:41.623 OUR PATIENTS LIVES ARE ON THE 03:11:41.690 --> 03:11:43.258 LINE, NURSES NEED TO BE ABLE TO 03:11:43.325 --> 03:11:44.726 USE OUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT 03:11:44.793 --> 03:11:46.261 TO CARE FOR OUR PATIENTS, AND 03:11:46.328 --> 03:11:47.429 THAT MEANS WE NEED TO BE ABLE 03:11:47.495 --> 03:11:49.831 TO QUESTION OVERRIDE 03:11:49.898 --> 03:11:50.899 INAPPROPRIATE AI OUTPUTS WHEN 03:11:50.966 --> 03:11:52.701 OUR PATIENT SAFETY REQUIRES IT. 03:11:52.767 --> 03:11:54.536 IT ALSO MEANS THAT AS 03:11:54.603 --> 03:11:55.537 CLINICIANS, WE SHOULD HAVE 03:11:55.604 --> 03:11:57.372 INFORMATION ABOUT AI TECHNOLOGY 03:11:57.439 --> 03:11:59.140 BEING USED IN OUR FACILITIES 03:11:59.207 --> 03:12:00.575 AND HOSPITALS AND TECH 03:12:00.642 --> 03:12:02.143 DEVELOPERS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE 03:12:02.210 --> 03:12:04.512 TO ESCAPE RESPONSIBILITY OF 03:12:04.579 --> 03:12:06.381 UNSAFE AI SYSTEMS. JUST BECAUSE 03:12:06.448 --> 03:12:08.183 A CLINICIAN IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 03:12:08.250 --> 03:12:09.351 LOOP. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE 03:12:09.417 --> 03:12:11.119 ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. WE USE IT 03:12:11.186 --> 03:12:14.356 EVERY DAY, SAVES LIVES. A B 03:12:14.422 --> 03:12:15.891 2575 SIMPLY ENSURES THAT NURSES 03:12:15.957 --> 03:12:17.692 CAN STILL QUESTION, INTERVENE, 03:12:17.759 --> 03:12:18.994 AND PROTECT OUR PATIENTS WHEN 03:12:19.060 --> 03:12:20.195 THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH 03:12:20.262 --> 03:12:21.863 THE TOOLS OUR EMPLOYERS ARE 03:12:21.930 --> 03:12:23.265 ASKING US TO USE IN PATIENT 03:12:23.331 --> 03:12:24.966 CARE. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU, 03:12:25.033 --> 03:12:26.902 AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOUR AYE 03:12:26.968 --> 03:12:31.907 VOTE. MR. CHAIR. SARA FLOCKS, 03:12:31.973 --> 03:12:33.375 CALIFORNIA FEDERATION OF LABOR 03:12:33.441 --> 03:12:35.143 UNIONS. WE ARE ALSO A 03:12:35.210 --> 03:12:37.646 CO-SPONSOR OF THIS BILL, AND WE 03:12:37.712 --> 03:12:39.881 AGREE AI IS A POWERFUL TOOL 03:12:39.948 --> 03:12:42.450 THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR TO 03:12:42.517 --> 03:12:43.585 IMPROVE THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, 03:12:43.652 --> 03:12:45.720 BUT ALSO POSES GREAT RISKS. SO 03:12:45.787 --> 03:12:48.423 AB 2575 IS ESSENTIALLY A VERY 03:12:48.490 --> 03:12:50.725 SIMPLE BILL. IT PUTS IN PLACE 03:12:50.792 --> 03:12:53.228 THE OVERSIGHT AND REGULATIONS 03:12:53.295 --> 03:12:56.097 TO MAKE SURE THAT AI TOOLS 03:12:56.164 --> 03:12:58.033 MAXIMIZE THE BENEFITS EQUITABLY 03:12:58.099 --> 03:13:00.335 TO PATIENTS AND THE PUBLIC AND 03:13:00.402 --> 03:13:03.004 MINIMIZE HARMS. AND THAT IS 03:13:03.071 --> 03:13:04.739 SOMETHING THAT HAS EXISTED IN 03:13:04.806 --> 03:13:07.409 HEALTH CARE SINCE THE BEGINNING, 03:13:07.475 --> 03:13:10.011 MAKING SURE THAT TOOLS ARE IN 03:13:10.078 --> 03:13:13.715 PLACE TO IMPROVE CARE, BUT HAVE 03:13:13.782 --> 03:13:15.417 HUMAN OVERSIGHT. AND THAT'S 03:13:15.483 --> 03:13:18.019 WHAT THIS BILL DOES. I WANT TO 03:13:18.086 --> 03:13:19.788 GO INTO SOMETHING THAT THE 03:13:19.854 --> 03:13:21.323 EXCELLENT ANALYSIS SAYS, WHICH 03:13:21.389 --> 03:13:22.991 IS AROUND THE OPPOSITION TO 03:13:23.058 --> 03:13:26.227 THIS BILL, THAT ARE ARGUE THAT 03:13:26.294 --> 03:13:27.662 THIS BILL IS, QUOTE, PROTECTING 03:13:27.729 --> 03:13:30.231 ANY WORKER WHO PROVIDES DIRECT 03:13:30.298 --> 03:13:32.767 PATIENT CARE FROM REPRIMAND OR 03:13:32.834 --> 03:13:34.202 DISCIPLINE AND ESSENTIALLY 03:13:34.269 --> 03:13:35.704 CREATES A NEW PROTECTED CLASS 03:13:35.770 --> 03:13:38.807 OF WORKERS. THAT IS NOT WHAT 03:13:38.873 --> 03:13:41.076 THIS BILL DOES OR INTENDS TO DO. 03:13:41.142 --> 03:13:43.511 IT REALLY IS AROUND. CAN A 03:13:43.578 --> 03:13:47.315 HEALTH CARE WORKER OVERRIDE A 03:13:47.382 --> 03:13:50.285 AI TOOL OR COMPLY WITH AN AI 03:13:50.352 --> 03:13:52.087 TOOL WITHOUT BEING DISCIPLINED 03:13:52.153 --> 03:13:53.922 WHEN THEY'RE PROVIDING PATIENT, 03:13:53.989 --> 03:13:56.124 DIRECT PATIENT CARE. THIS IS SO 03:13:56.191 --> 03:13:58.593 THAT AI IS TREATED LIKE EVERY 03:13:58.660 --> 03:14:00.762 OTHER TOOL IN HEALTH CARE AND 03:14:00.829 --> 03:14:02.397 NOT A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL, 03:14:02.464 --> 03:14:05.433 WHICH IT IS NOT. AND SO THAT IS 03:14:05.500 --> 03:14:07.602 WHAT THE INTENT OF THE BILL IS. 03:14:07.669 --> 03:14:10.839 IT'S NOT TO UPSET WHAT THE 03:14:10.905 --> 03:14:13.341 EXISTING PROTOCOLS ARE. AND 03:14:13.408 --> 03:14:15.210 OPERATIONS ARE IN A HEALTH CARE 03:14:15.276 --> 03:14:16.344 SYSTEM. SO WE URGE YOUR AYE 03:14:16.411 --> 03:14:18.380 VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH 03:14:18.446 --> 03:14:20.015 FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. ARE THERE 03:14:20.081 --> 03:14:20.949 ANY INDIVIDUALS OR 03:14:21.016 --> 03:14:21.649 ORGANIZATIONS WISHING TO 03:14:21.716 --> 03:14:23.418 REGISTER SUPPORT FOR THE BILL? 03:14:23.485 --> 03:14:24.486 PLEASE APPROACH. STATE YOUR 03:14:24.552 --> 03:14:29.157 NAME AND AFFILIATION. HI THERE. 03:14:29.224 --> 03:14:30.525 JP HANNA WITH THE CALIFORNIA 03:14:30.592 --> 03:14:31.926 NURSES ASSOCIATION SPONSOR OF 03:14:31.993 --> 03:14:33.528 THIS BILL. I'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED 03:14:33.595 --> 03:14:34.896 TO PROVIDE SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF 03:14:34.963 --> 03:14:40.035 HEALTH ACCESS. THANK YOU. THANK 03:14:40.101 --> 03:14:41.269 YOU. MITCH STEIGER WITH CF TÊ, 03:14:41.336 --> 03:14:42.670 A UNION OF EDUCATORS AND 03:14:42.737 --> 03:14:43.671 CLASSIFIED PROFESSIONALS, ALSO 03:14:43.738 --> 03:14:47.675 IN STRONG SUPPORT. ON BEHALF OF 03:14:47.742 --> 03:14:49.677 THE CALIFORNIA SCHOOL EMPLOYEES 03:14:49.744 --> 03:14:52.647 ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT. GOOD 03:14:52.714 --> 03:14:54.749 AFTERNOON. ON BEHALF OF TECH 03:14:54.816 --> 03:14:56.384 EQUITY ACTION EXPRESSING 03:14:56.451 --> 03:15:00.522 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M 03:15:00.588 --> 03:15:01.923 TRACY ROSENBERG ON BEHALF OF 03:15:01.990 --> 03:15:03.591 OAKLAND PRIVACY IN SUPPORT OF 03:15:03.658 --> 03:15:08.396 THE BILL. ERIC PAREDES WITH THE 03:15:08.463 --> 03:15:09.831 CALIFORNIA FACULTY ASSOCIATION 03:15:09.898 --> 03:15:14.869 IN SUPPORT. CALIFORNIA ALLIANCE 03:15:14.936 --> 03:15:16.337 FOR RETIRED AMERICANS AND 03:15:16.404 --> 03:15:21.709 STRONG SUPPORT. JANICE O'MALLEY 03:15:21.776 --> 03:15:23.211 IN CALIFORNIA AND STRONG 03:15:23.278 --> 03:15:26.081 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. CONNOR 03:15:26.147 --> 03:15:27.582 GUZMAN ON BEHALF OF TEAMSTERS 03:15:27.649 --> 03:15:28.149 CALIFORNIA AND THE ENGINEERS 03:15:28.216 --> 03:15:29.684 AND SCIENTISTS OF CALIFORNIA IN 03:15:29.751 --> 03:15:30.852 SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 03:15:30.919 --> 03:15:31.886 ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE TO 03:15:31.953 --> 03:15:33.254 PRIMARY WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION 03:15:33.321 --> 03:15:44.332 TO THE BILL. PLEASE APPROACH. 03:15:44.399 --> 03:15:45.500 WELCOME. STATE YOUR NAMES AGAIN 03:15:45.567 --> 03:15:46.601 FOR THE RECORD. YOU'LL EACH 03:15:46.668 --> 03:15:53.675 HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, 03:15:53.741 --> 03:15:55.443 CHAIR AND MEMBERS. ALEXIS 03:15:55.510 --> 03:15:56.444 RODRIGUEZ WITH THE CALIFORNIA 03:15:56.511 --> 03:15:57.612 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HERE IN 03:15:57.679 --> 03:16:00.115 OPPOSITION TO AB 2575. CAL 03:16:00.181 --> 03:16:01.249 CHAMBER BELIEVES AI AND HEALTH 03:16:01.316 --> 03:16:02.717 CARE SHOULD NOT REPLACE 03:16:02.784 --> 03:16:03.751 CLINICIANS. IT IS THERE TO 03:16:03.818 --> 03:16:04.686 SUPPORT THEM AND THE PRACTICE 03:16:04.752 --> 03:16:06.287 OF MEDICINE. MEDICAL 03:16:06.354 --> 03:16:07.288 PROFESSIONALS CAN AND SHOULD 03:16:07.355 --> 03:16:08.456 USE THEIR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT 03:16:08.523 --> 03:16:10.992 WHEN USING AI TOOLS. WITH THAT 03:16:11.059 --> 03:16:13.128 SAID, AB 2575 WOULD UNDERMINE 03:16:13.194 --> 03:16:14.529 CURRENT PATIENT CENTERED 03:16:14.596 --> 03:16:15.697 POLICIES BY PROTECTING ANY 03:16:15.763 --> 03:16:17.098 WORKER WHO PROVIDES DIRECT 03:16:17.165 --> 03:16:18.533 PATIENT CARE FROM CORRECTIVE 03:16:18.600 --> 03:16:19.968 ACTION. THIS BILL WOULD 03:16:20.034 --> 03:16:21.002 ESSENTIALLY ALLOW HEALTH CARE 03:16:21.069 --> 03:16:22.137 WORKERS TO MAKE INDEPENDENT, 03:16:22.203 --> 03:16:23.571 SUBJECTIVE DECISIONS ABOUT 03:16:23.638 --> 03:16:24.973 PATIENT CARE WITHOUT TRUE 03:16:25.039 --> 03:16:26.808 OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. 03:16:26.875 --> 03:16:28.610 IF A PATIENT IS HARMED, OR EVEN 03:16:28.676 --> 03:16:30.745 IF HARM IS AVERTED AFTER A 03:16:30.812 --> 03:16:31.946 CLINICIAN OVERRIDES AN OUTPUT, 03:16:32.013 --> 03:16:33.281 THE HEALTH FACILITY WOULD BE 03:16:33.348 --> 03:16:34.716 UNABLE TO TAKE REMEDIAL 03:16:34.782 --> 03:16:36.184 MEASURES. THIS WOULD SHIFT 03:16:36.251 --> 03:16:37.752 HEALTH CARE AWAY FROM PHYSICIAN 03:16:37.819 --> 03:16:39.220 LED CARE TO COMPLIANCE DRIVEN 03:16:39.287 --> 03:16:40.455 CARE, WHICH RAISES SERIOUS 03:16:40.522 --> 03:16:42.323 PATIENT SAFETY CONCERNS FOR 03:16:42.390 --> 03:16:43.725 PATIENTS. AI TECHNOLOGIES ARE 03:16:43.791 --> 03:16:45.193 IMPROVING HEALTH CARE OUTCOMES 03:16:45.260 --> 03:16:46.995 WITH THE HELP OF AI. SEPSIS IS 03:16:47.061 --> 03:16:48.163 BEING DETECTED HOURS EARLIER 03:16:48.229 --> 03:16:49.864 THAN BEFORE. THERE HAVE BEEN 03:16:49.931 --> 03:16:51.299 SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE 03:16:51.366 --> 03:16:52.800 ACCURACY OF CANCER SCREENINGS. 03:16:52.867 --> 03:16:53.801 PATIENT MEDICATION ORDERS CAN 03:16:53.868 --> 03:16:55.603 BE SCREENED FOR INTERACTIONS, 03:16:55.670 --> 03:16:57.105 ALLERGIES AND AND ERRORS, TO 03:16:57.172 --> 03:17:00.275 NAME A FEW. AB 2575 PUTS THESE 03:17:00.341 --> 03:17:01.409 BENEFITS AT RISK BY 03:17:01.476 --> 03:17:02.510 DISCOURAGING THE USE OF AI IN 03:17:02.577 --> 03:17:03.878 THE CLINICAL SETTING AND, WORSE, 03:17:03.945 --> 03:17:04.879 DISSUADING THE INNOVATION AND 03:17:04.946 --> 03:17:06.748 CREATIVITY OF FUTURE TOOLS. WE 03:17:06.814 --> 03:17:08.216 SHARE THE GOAL OF RESPONSIBLE 03:17:08.283 --> 03:17:09.651 AI USE IN HEALTH CARE, BUT 03:17:09.717 --> 03:17:11.819 UNFORTUNATELY, AB 2575 DOES NOT 03:17:11.886 --> 03:17:13.221 ACHIEVE THESE GOALS. FOR THESE 03:17:13.288 --> 03:17:14.255 REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY URGE A 03:17:14.322 --> 03:17:16.824 NO VOTE. THANK YOU. GOOD 03:17:16.891 --> 03:17:18.626 AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS 03:17:18.693 --> 03:17:20.495 GEORGE GEORGE OF THE CALIFORNIA 03:17:20.562 --> 03:17:21.529 MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. WE'RE HERE 03:17:21.596 --> 03:17:23.331 IN OPPOSITION TO AB 2575 BY 03:17:23.398 --> 03:17:24.766 ASSEMBLY MEMBER ORTEGA. 03:17:24.832 --> 03:17:26.201 PHYSICIANS STRONGLY SUPPORT THE 03:17:26.267 --> 03:17:27.268 PRINCIPLE THAT CLINICAL 03:17:27.335 --> 03:17:28.736 JUDGMENT, NOT ARTIFICIAL 03:17:28.803 --> 03:17:29.771 INTELLIGENCE, MUST GUIDE 03:17:29.837 --> 03:17:30.838 PATIENT CARE. HOWEVER, THIS 03:17:30.905 --> 03:17:32.240 BILL CREATES NEW ADMINISTRATIVE 03:17:32.307 --> 03:17:33.408 BURDENS AND LIABILITY CONCERNS 03:17:33.474 --> 03:17:34.842 FOR PHYSICIANS WHILE 03:17:34.909 --> 03:17:36.277 UNDERMINING ACCOUNTABILITY AND 03:17:36.344 --> 03:17:38.413 CREATING UNCERTAINTY REGARDING 03:17:38.479 --> 03:17:39.514 RESPONSIBILITY FOR MEDICAL 03:17:39.581 --> 03:17:41.316 DECISIONS. THIS BILL REQUIRES 03:17:41.382 --> 03:17:42.383 EXTENSIVE DISCLOSURE AND 03:17:42.450 --> 03:17:44.185 INFORMATION SHARING REGARDING 03:17:44.252 --> 03:17:45.286 CLINICAL DECISION SUPPORT 03:17:45.353 --> 03:17:46.721 SYSTEMS, INCLUDING INVENTORIES 03:17:46.788 --> 03:17:48.389 OF AI SYSTEMS, AND EXPLANATIONS 03:17:48.456 --> 03:17:49.924 OF HOW THOSE SYSTEMS GENERATE 03:17:49.991 --> 03:17:51.426 OUTPUTS. WHILE TRANSPARENCY IS 03:17:51.492 --> 03:17:52.460 IMPORTANT, MANY AI TOOLS ARE 03:17:52.527 --> 03:17:53.561 EMBEDDED WITHIN ELECTRONIC 03:17:53.628 --> 03:17:54.996 HEALTH RECORDS AND ARE 03:17:55.063 --> 03:17:56.431 CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED BY VENDORS 03:17:56.497 --> 03:17:57.532 REQUIRING PHYSICIANS TO 03:17:57.599 --> 03:17:58.933 MAINTAIN AND DISCLOSE THIS 03:17:59.000 --> 03:18:00.401 INFORMATION MAY BE IMPRACTICAL, 03:18:00.468 --> 03:18:02.170 MAY QUICKLY BECOME OUTDATED, 03:18:02.237 --> 03:18:03.671 AND COULD EXPOSE SENSITIVE 03:18:03.738 --> 03:18:04.339 INFORMATION WITHOUT 03:18:04.405 --> 03:18:05.440 MEANINGFULLY IMPROVING PATIENT 03:18:05.506 --> 03:18:07.175 CARE. ADDITIONALLY, THIS BILL 03:18:07.242 --> 03:18:09.410 RISKS CREATING UNNECESSARY 03:18:09.477 --> 03:18:10.845 PRIVACY CONCERNS. PHYSICIAN 03:18:10.912 --> 03:18:11.879 PRACTICES AND HEALTH FACILITIES 03:18:11.946 --> 03:18:12.981 SHOULD REMAIN FOCUSED ON 03:18:13.047 --> 03:18:14.449 PROTECTING PATIENT INFORMATION 03:18:14.515 --> 03:18:15.883 UNDER EXISTING STATE AND 03:18:15.950 --> 03:18:17.685 FEDERAL PRIVACY LAWS. NEW 03:18:17.752 --> 03:18:18.753 OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS 03:18:18.820 --> 03:18:21.256 GOVERNING AI SYSTEMS SHOULD NOT 03:18:21.322 --> 03:18:22.156 INADVERTENTLY INCREASE ACCESS 03:18:22.223 --> 03:18:23.458 TO SENSITIVE INFORMATION, OR 03:18:23.524 --> 03:18:24.859 REQUIRE UNNECESSARY 03:18:24.926 --> 03:18:25.927 DOCUMENTATION THAT EXPANDS THE 03:18:25.994 --> 03:18:26.861 HANDLING OF PROTECTED HEALTH 03:18:26.928 --> 03:18:28.830 CARE INFORMATION. FINALLY, THIS 03:18:28.896 --> 03:18:29.931 BILL ADDS SIGNIFICANT 03:18:29.998 --> 03:18:31.332 ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS ON 03:18:31.399 --> 03:18:32.767 PHYSICIANS AND HEALTH CARE 03:18:32.834 --> 03:18:34.202 ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY 03:18:34.269 --> 03:18:35.336 STRUGGLING WITH WORKFORCE 03:18:35.403 --> 03:18:36.404 SHORTAGES AND A MOUNTAIN OF 03:18:36.471 --> 03:18:37.438 DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS. 03:18:37.505 --> 03:18:38.873 EVERY HOUR SPENT COMPLYING WITH 03:18:38.940 --> 03:18:40.308 NEW REPORTING AND DISCLOSURE 03:18:40.375 --> 03:18:41.676 MANDATES IS AN HOUR TAKEN AWAY 03:18:41.743 --> 03:18:43.244 FROM DIRECT PATIENT CARE. WE 03:18:43.311 --> 03:18:44.579 ENCOURAGE THE LEGISLATURE TO 03:18:44.646 --> 03:18:46.848 PURSUE AI POLICIES THAT PROMOTE 03:18:46.914 --> 03:18:47.949 TRANSPARENCY WHILE PRESERVING 03:18:48.016 --> 03:18:49.717 PATIENT PRIVACY, PROTECTING 03:18:49.784 --> 03:18:50.785 INNOVATION, AND ALLOWING 03:18:50.852 --> 03:18:51.853 PHYSICIANS TO EXERCISE 03:18:51.919 --> 03:18:52.987 INDEPENDENT MEDICAL JUDGMENT 03:18:53.054 --> 03:18:54.422 WITHOUT UNNECESSARY 03:18:54.489 --> 03:18:55.590 ADMINISTRATIVE BURDENS. FOR 03:18:55.657 --> 03:18:56.724 THESE REASONS, WE ARE OPPOSED 03:18:56.791 --> 03:18:58.660 TO AB 2575 AND ENCOURAGE A NO 03:18:58.726 --> 03:19:04.565 VOTE TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK 03:19:04.632 --> 03:19:05.700 YOU. AND I WILL TURN TO 03:19:05.767 --> 03:19:08.102 TESTIMONY IN REGISTERING 03:19:08.169 --> 03:19:10.204 OPPOSITION TO THE BILL. PLEASE 03:19:10.271 --> 03:19:11.306 GIVE US YOUR NAME, YOUR 03:19:11.372 --> 03:19:12.774 AFFILIATION, BUT NOT LOBBYIST 03:19:12.840 --> 03:19:14.108 AND YOUR POSITION ON THE BILL. 03:19:14.175 --> 03:19:15.209 THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD 03:19:15.276 --> 03:19:16.711 AFTERNOON, OLIVIA HERRERA. ON 03:19:16.778 --> 03:19:17.779 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 03:19:17.845 --> 03:19:19.414 CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION 03:19:19.480 --> 03:19:22.784 IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. MEGAN 03:19:22.850 --> 03:19:23.885 LOPER, ON BEHALF OF THE UNITED 03:19:23.951 --> 03:19:25.353 HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION IN 03:19:25.420 --> 03:19:28.256 OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON. 03:19:28.323 --> 03:19:30.391 ROBERT BOYKIN WITH AN OPPOSING 03:19:30.458 --> 03:19:33.728 POSITION. THANK YOU. ON BEHALF 03:19:33.795 --> 03:19:35.029 OF THE CALIFORNIA LIFE SCIENCES 03:19:35.096 --> 03:19:37.932 IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. 03:19:37.999 --> 03:19:39.367 PATRICK FOY WITH THE CALIFORNIA 03:19:39.434 --> 03:19:40.835 KIDNEY CARE ALLIANCE IN 03:19:40.902 --> 03:19:43.705 OPPOSITION. GOOD AFTERNOON, 03:19:43.771 --> 03:19:45.139 CHAIR AND MEMBERS. RYAN, ON 03:19:45.206 --> 03:19:47.308 BEHALF OF ATA ACTION IN 03:19:47.375 --> 03:19:50.178 OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. MARK 03:19:50.244 --> 03:19:51.045 FAROOQ WITH THE CALIFORNIA 03:19:51.112 --> 03:19:52.347 HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION IN 03:19:52.413 --> 03:19:53.781 OPPOSITION. ALSO WANT TO NOTE 03:19:53.848 --> 03:19:55.149 SUTTER HEALTH IN OPPOSITION AS 03:19:55.216 --> 03:19:57.752 WELL. THANK YOU. GILBERT LARA 03:19:57.819 --> 03:19:59.554 HERE ON BEHALF OF BIOCOM IN 03:19:59.620 --> 03:20:02.790 OPPOSITION. RYAN SPENCER ON 03:20:02.857 --> 03:20:03.825 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 03:20:03.891 --> 03:20:05.159 PEDIATRIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, 03:20:05.226 --> 03:20:06.294 THE CALIFORNIA RADIOLOGICAL 03:20:06.361 --> 03:20:08.129 SOCIETY, THE CALIFORNIA SOCIETY 03:20:08.196 --> 03:20:09.964 PATHOLOGIST AND  N ON 03:20:10.031 --> 03:20:14.569 OPPOSITION. MJ DIAZ, ON BEHALF 03:20:14.635 --> 03:20:16.137 OF KAISER PERMANENTE IN 03:20:16.204 --> 03:20:19.307 OPPOSITION. CHEN CHASE ON 03:20:19.374 --> 03:20:20.641 BEHALF OF THE UNIVERSITY OF 03:20:20.708 --> 03:20:24.712 CALIFORNIA IN OPPOSITION. CHLOE 03:20:24.779 --> 03:20:26.147 KING WITH MEMORIALCARE HEALTH 03:20:26.214 --> 03:20:27.215 SYSTEM AND THE CALIFORNIA 03:20:27.281 --> 03:20:29.050 DENTAL ASSOCIATION RESPECTFULLY 03:20:29.117 --> 03:20:32.653 OPPOSED. THANKS, JACKIE. 03:20:32.720 --> 03:20:33.755 ADVANCED MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY 03:20:33.821 --> 03:20:36.224 ASSOCIATION OPPOSED AND 03:20:36.290 --> 03:20:36.958 AUGUSTINE WITH THE CIVIL 03:20:37.024 --> 03:20:38.393 JUSTICE ASSOCIATION OF 03:20:38.459 --> 03:20:39.827 CALIFORNIA RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. 03:20:39.894 --> 03:20:42.630 THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THEN 03:20:42.697 --> 03:20:44.532 WE'LL TURN IT TO THE COMMITTEE 03:20:44.599 --> 03:20:46.701 FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION. 03:20:46.768 --> 03:20:48.136 SENATOR PADILLA. THANK YOU, MR. 03:20:48.202 --> 03:20:49.604 CHAIRMAN. I WOULD JUST 03:20:49.670 --> 03:20:51.372 APPRECIATE THE ONGOING DIALOG. 03:20:51.439 --> 03:20:54.942 APPRECIATE THE AUTHOR. NOT 03:20:55.009 --> 03:20:58.212 CONVINCED US THAT THE SUGGESTED 03:20:58.279 --> 03:21:00.348 LANGUAGE AS OF THIS POINT IS 03:21:00.415 --> 03:21:02.517 SOMETHING THAT DISCOURAGES THE 03:21:02.583 --> 03:21:03.985 BENEFICIAL USE OF THE SUPPLIED 03:21:04.051 --> 03:21:05.787 TECHNOLOGY, BUT IS RATHER 03:21:05.853 --> 03:21:07.922 QUALIFYING IT IN A WAY THAT I 03:21:07.989 --> 03:21:10.491 THINK LENDS ITSELF TO LONG TERM 03:21:10.558 --> 03:21:12.260 BENEFITS BOTH TO THE TO THE 03:21:12.326 --> 03:21:13.728 OPERATOR ADMINISTRATORS AND 03:21:13.795 --> 03:21:14.796 CERTAINLY TO CLINICIANS IN THIS 03:21:14.862 --> 03:21:16.197 CONTEXT. NEVER MIND PATIENTS. 03:21:16.264 --> 03:21:18.733 SO I THINK THE BILL SHOULD 03:21:18.800 --> 03:21:20.868 CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD, AND 03:21:20.935 --> 03:21:26.641 I'M HAPPY TO MOVE IT. YOU CAN 03:21:26.707 --> 03:21:28.476 SEE WE'RE A LITTLE SHORT ON 03:21:28.543 --> 03:21:29.477 MEMBERS, BUT FORTUNATELY WE 03:21:29.544 --> 03:21:31.345 HAVE ONE, ONE, ONE EXPERT. AND 03:21:31.412 --> 03:21:33.114 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR FOR 03:21:33.181 --> 03:21:34.582 CHAIRING WHILE I WAS IN BUDGET 03:21:34.649 --> 03:21:38.286 COMMITTEE AS WELL. THE. THERE'S 03:21:38.352 --> 03:21:39.220 NO CHAIR'S RECOMMENDATION ON 03:21:39.287 --> 03:21:41.055 THIS BILL AND NO, NO PROPOSED 03:21:41.122 --> 03:21:41.823 AMENDMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE 03:21:41.889 --> 03:21:44.659 STAFF. I'M PERSONALLY GOING TO 03:21:44.725 --> 03:21:46.427 LAY OFF IN TERMS OF VOTING ON 03:21:46.494 --> 03:21:48.629 THE BILL TODAY, BUT I DO 03:21:48.696 --> 03:21:49.697 APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE 03:21:49.764 --> 03:21:51.332 AND THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING 03:21:51.399 --> 03:21:52.533 UNDERTAKEN TO TRY TO TRY TO GET 03:21:52.600 --> 03:21:54.335 THIS EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS IS 03:21:54.402 --> 03:21:55.570 ALSO SIMILAR TO A BILL THAT WE 03:21:55.636 --> 03:21:57.472 PASSED IN, IN PURPOSE TO A BILL 03:21:57.538 --> 03:21:58.639 THAT THIS COMMITTEE REPORTED 03:21:58.706 --> 03:22:00.441 OUT EARLIER THIS MONTH FROM 03:22:00.508 --> 03:22:02.710 ASSEMBLYMEMBER BONTA. BUT I 03:22:02.777 --> 03:22:04.712 DON'T HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT 03:22:04.779 --> 03:22:06.247 THE PRIVACY DIMENSIONS OF THE 03:22:06.314 --> 03:22:08.749 BILL. THE I THINK THE THE 03:22:08.816 --> 03:22:10.051 TESTIMONY BY THE OPPOSITION, I 03:22:10.117 --> 03:22:11.152 MEAN, WE ARE GRAPPLING WITH 03:22:11.219 --> 03:22:12.820 THIS BROADER QUESTION IN SECTOR 03:22:12.887 --> 03:22:13.888 AFTER SECTOR AFTER SECTOR AND 03:22:13.955 --> 03:22:17.058 IN IN EVERY WAY ABOUT HOW WE AS 03:22:17.124 --> 03:22:19.193 HUMANS, HOW WE AS A SOCIETY, WE 03:22:19.260 --> 03:22:22.563 AS IN THE LAW, MANAGE AND DEAL 03:22:22.630 --> 03:22:24.265 AND COPE WITH AND TAKE AND TAKE 03:22:24.332 --> 03:22:26.434 ADVANTAGE OF THE NEW 03:22:26.501 --> 03:22:27.535 TECHNOLOGIES AND AI AND 03:22:27.602 --> 03:22:29.303 EVERYTHING ELSE IN A WAY THAT 03:22:29.370 --> 03:22:30.538 CAPTURES MANY OF THE BENEFITS 03:22:30.605 --> 03:22:32.206 AS POSSIBLE, PROVIDES THE 03:22:32.273 --> 03:22:33.941 ASSURANCE AND THE TRUST THAT 03:22:34.008 --> 03:22:35.810 THAT EMPLOYEES, CONSUMERS, AND 03:22:35.877 --> 03:22:37.211 EVERYONE AND EVERYONE ELSE 03:22:37.278 --> 03:22:40.515 EXPECTS AND, AND ASSURES THAT 03:22:40.581 --> 03:22:42.950 THOSE PROTECTIONS ARE REAL. THE 03:22:43.017 --> 03:22:44.785 LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE DO IN 03:22:44.852 --> 03:22:46.187 THE LAW, TO ME IS VERY 03:22:46.254 --> 03:22:48.389 IMPORTANT. AND, AND HEALTH CARE, 03:22:48.456 --> 03:22:50.157 I THINK I SAID THIS ON THE BILL 03:22:50.224 --> 03:22:51.626 AS WELL. I PERSONALLY THINK 03:22:51.692 --> 03:22:53.828 THIS HEALTH CARE IS THERE'S A 03:22:53.895 --> 03:22:55.463 LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING IN THAT 03:22:55.530 --> 03:22:56.697 SPACE. AND IT'S THERE'S A LOT 03:22:56.764 --> 03:22:59.934 OF OVERLAPPING INSTITUTIONS 03:23:00.001 --> 03:23:02.403 THAT ARE, THAT ARE, ARE MAYBE 03:23:02.470 --> 03:23:04.572 MORE CAPABLE THAN ME, AT LEAST 03:23:04.639 --> 03:23:05.740 OF GRAPPLING AND WEIGHING WITH 03:23:05.806 --> 03:23:07.808 THESE ISSUES. THERE ARE 03:23:07.875 --> 03:23:10.144 LICENSURE FOR, FOR FACILITIES, 03:23:10.211 --> 03:23:11.379 THERE ARE PROFESSIONAL 03:23:11.445 --> 03:23:13.214 LICENSURE AND PROFESSIONAL 03:23:13.281 --> 03:23:14.649 ORGANIZATIONS AND STANDARDS. 03:23:14.715 --> 03:23:16.484 AND, AND IN MANY OF THESE 03:23:16.551 --> 03:23:17.485 WORKPLACES, WHAT WE'RE SEEING 03:23:17.552 --> 03:23:18.653 AND ALSO SIGNIFICANT COLLECTIVE 03:23:18.719 --> 03:23:20.054 BARGAINING, SO MANY OF THE, 03:23:20.121 --> 03:23:20.955 MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE 03:23:21.022 --> 03:23:22.823 WOULD WANT IN PLACE TO ASSURE 03:23:22.890 --> 03:23:23.958 THAT SOMEBODY IS THINKING ABOUT 03:23:24.025 --> 03:23:25.092 IT, BUT LIKE EVERYONE'S 03:23:25.159 --> 03:23:26.227 THINKING ABOUT IT AND WE'RE 03:23:26.294 --> 03:23:27.628 HOLDING IT ACCOUNTABLE TO 03:23:27.695 --> 03:23:29.196 OUTCOMES AS WELL AS TO RIGHTS. 03:23:29.263 --> 03:23:31.065 HEALTH CARE SEEMS TO BE ONE OF 03:23:31.132 --> 03:23:32.633 THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE SEEING 03:23:32.700 --> 03:23:34.735 THE MOST PROGRESS IN SOME WAYS, 03:23:34.802 --> 03:23:36.103 BUT NOT JUST IN THE TECHNOLOGY, 03:23:36.170 --> 03:23:37.738 IN THE WAY IT'S BEING GRAPPLED 03:23:37.805 --> 03:23:39.507 WITH THAT FOLKS IN, IN A 03:23:39.574 --> 03:23:40.942 PRACTICE OR IN A HOSPITAL OR 03:23:41.008 --> 03:23:44.879 ELSEWHERE ARE IN SOME CASES, 03:23:44.946 --> 03:23:46.013 COLLABORATING ON HOW TO DEPLOY 03:23:46.080 --> 03:23:47.949 AND HOW TO USE AND HOW TO USE 03:23:48.015 --> 03:23:49.283 IT IN A TEAM ENVIRONMENT THAT 03:23:49.350 --> 03:23:50.885 CAN BE RELATED TO OUTCOMES 03:23:50.952 --> 03:23:52.119 WHILE PRESERVING PROFESSIONAL 03:23:52.186 --> 03:23:53.621 LICENSE STANDARDS AND SCOPE 03:23:53.688 --> 03:23:55.323 THAT ARE THAT ARE SO CRITICAL 03:23:55.389 --> 03:23:57.892 FOR OUR PROVIDERS. AND SO 03:23:57.959 --> 03:23:58.993 THAT'S NOT A CRITIQUE OF THIS 03:23:59.060 --> 03:24:00.261 BILL IN PARTICULAR. BUT JUST 03:24:00.328 --> 03:24:02.163 FOR ME, I'M, I'M GRAPPLING WITH 03:24:02.229 --> 03:24:03.831 OUR WITH OUR ENTIRE STRATEGY 03:24:03.898 --> 03:24:04.932 AROUND HOW WE'RE DEALING WITH 03:24:04.999 --> 03:24:07.234 AI IN HEALTH CARE IN PARTICULAR, 03:24:07.301 --> 03:24:08.669 GIVEN WITHOUT SUFFOCATING THE 03:24:08.736 --> 03:24:09.737 INNOVATION, BUT ALSO 03:24:09.804 --> 03:24:10.805 SUFFOCATING THE INNOVATION IN 03:24:10.871 --> 03:24:13.341 HOW PROFESSIONALS, PROVIDERS, 03:24:13.407 --> 03:24:15.843 WORKERS AND PATIENTS AND 03:24:15.910 --> 03:24:17.278 INSTITUTIONS ARE, ARE 03:24:17.345 --> 03:24:18.379 THEMSELVES ADAPTING. WE WANT 03:24:18.446 --> 03:24:19.780 FOLKS TO FIGURE THIS OUT, TO 03:24:19.847 --> 03:24:21.649 HAVE THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT RULES 03:24:21.716 --> 03:24:24.118 AND CULTURE AND PROTECTIONS AT 03:24:24.185 --> 03:24:25.586 THE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY, NOT TO 03:24:25.653 --> 03:24:27.121 HAVE EVERYTHING REGULATED HERE. 03:24:27.188 --> 03:24:28.489 AND SO WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING, 03:24:28.556 --> 03:24:30.024 I JUST DON'T WANT TO SUFFOCATE 03:24:30.091 --> 03:24:31.459 THAT BY HAVING A COMING OVER 03:24:31.525 --> 03:24:33.160 THE TOP OF IT. AND SO I KNOW 03:24:33.227 --> 03:24:34.295 THE AUTHORS ALSO, YOU KNOW, 03:24:34.362 --> 03:24:36.330 COMMITTED TO A PATIENT OUTCOME 03:24:36.397 --> 03:24:39.634 AND, AND PROVIDER AND WORKER 03:24:39.700 --> 03:24:41.068 APPROACHES. I'M VERY 03:24:41.135 --> 03:24:41.836 COMFORTABLE WITH THE BILL 03:24:41.902 --> 03:24:43.204 MOVING FORWARD TODAY. AND I 03:24:43.270 --> 03:24:44.672 APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED WORK 03:24:44.739 --> 03:24:47.541 AND WOULD INVITE YOU TO CLOSE. 03:24:47.608 --> 03:24:49.310 THANK YOU SO MUCH, SENATOR. I 03:24:49.377 --> 03:24:50.778 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. AND 03:24:50.845 --> 03:24:52.647 THOSE OF SENATOR PADILLA, AS 03:24:52.713 --> 03:24:54.015 YOU MENTIONED, YOU WE CAN'T 03:24:54.081 --> 03:24:56.550 REALLY TALK ABOUT AI, AI IN THE 03:24:56.617 --> 03:24:57.785 HEALTH SPACE WITHOUT TALKING 03:24:57.852 --> 03:25:00.621 ABOUT WORKERS. AND WE ARE GOING 03:25:00.688 --> 03:25:03.024 TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO 03:25:03.090 --> 03:25:04.458 ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THIS IN A 03:25:04.525 --> 03:25:07.061 VERY FAST MANNER, AND WHICH IS 03:25:07.128 --> 03:25:08.763 WHAT MY BILL TRIES OR IS 03:25:08.829 --> 03:25:11.265 ATTEMPTING TO DO. AND IN NO WAY 03:25:11.332 --> 03:25:13.801 DOES IT BAN AI BECAUSE WE DON'T 03:25:13.868 --> 03:25:15.603 WANT TO BAN AI. WE SEE THE 03:25:15.670 --> 03:25:17.071 BENEFITS OF AI, AND WE'RE 03:25:17.138 --> 03:25:19.273 SEEING IT EVERY DAY. MY DAD HAD 03:25:19.340 --> 03:25:21.008 A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK LAST 03:25:21.075 --> 03:25:22.443 YEAR, AND I SPENT THREE WEEKS 03:25:22.510 --> 03:25:24.245 WITH HIM IN THE HOSPITAL AND 03:25:24.311 --> 03:25:25.680 WATCHED HOW THESE AI SYSTEMS 03:25:25.746 --> 03:25:28.916 CAN, IN FACT, BE HELPFUL AND 03:25:28.983 --> 03:25:30.351 RECOGNIZING THINGS THAT 03:25:30.418 --> 03:25:31.786 OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE TAKEN A 03:25:31.852 --> 03:25:33.688 VERY LONG TIME TO ASSESS. BUT 03:25:33.754 --> 03:25:35.790 AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO BE 03:25:35.856 --> 03:25:37.892 ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE HEALTH 03:25:37.958 --> 03:25:41.529 CARE PROVIDER HAS THE ABILITY 03:25:41.595 --> 03:25:44.732 TO DISAGREE WITH THE MACHINE 03:25:44.799 --> 03:25:49.103 AND NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT THE 03:25:49.170 --> 03:25:51.038 RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT. AND 03:25:51.105 --> 03:25:52.673 THAT'S WHAT MY BILL ATTEMPTS TO 03:25:52.740 --> 03:25:55.576 DO. IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM 03:25:55.643 --> 03:25:57.745 DOES MY BILL ATTEMPT TO TAKE 03:25:57.812 --> 03:26:01.716 AWAY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF 03:26:01.782 --> 03:26:03.117 STANDARDIZED OPERATING 03:26:03.184 --> 03:26:05.219 PROCEDURES. THAT IS NOT PART OF 03:26:05.286 --> 03:26:07.421 MY BILL, AND I AM COMMITTED TO 03:26:07.488 --> 03:26:08.923 MAKING SURE THAT I CONTINUE TO 03:26:08.989 --> 03:26:11.726 WORK ON THIS LANGUAGE TO ENSURE 03:26:11.792 --> 03:26:14.295 THAT IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT MY 03:26:14.361 --> 03:26:16.430 BILL PROTECTS THE RIGHT FOR 03:26:16.497 --> 03:26:18.232 HEALTH CARE WORKER TO DISAGREE 03:26:18.299 --> 03:26:20.468 WITH THE MACHINE, BUT DOES NOT 03:26:20.534 --> 03:26:23.270 IN ANY WAY TAKE THE RIGHT OF 03:26:23.337 --> 03:26:25.439 THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR 03:26:25.506 --> 03:26:28.309 HEALTH CARE WORKERS TO FOLLOW 03:26:28.375 --> 03:26:30.544 THESE STANDARDIZED OPERATING 03:26:30.611 --> 03:26:32.613 PROCEDURES. AND WITH THAT, I 03:26:32.680 --> 03:26:33.647 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN AYE 03:26:33.714 --> 03:26:35.850 VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I 03:26:35.916 --> 03:26:37.017 HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR 03:26:37.084 --> 03:26:39.854 PADILLA. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 03:26:39.920 --> 03:26:41.288 MOTION IS TO PASS TWO 03:26:41.355 --> 03:26:42.389 APPROPRIATIONS. SENATORS 03:26:42.456 --> 03:26:45.593 CABALDON SATO. GONZALEZ. 03:26:45.659 --> 03:26:48.129 MCNERNEY. OCHOA. BOGH. PADILLA. 03:26:48.195 --> 03:26:49.930 PADILLA. AYE. REYES. UMBERG. 03:26:49.997 --> 03:26:53.267 WIENER TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THE 03:26:53.334 --> 03:26:55.336 VOTE IS UNANIMOUS AT THE MOMENT, 03:26:55.402 --> 03:26:57.171 1 TO 0. WE WILL PLACE IT ON 03:26:57.238 --> 03:27:02.943 CALL. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO 03:27:03.010 --> 03:27:04.345 BILLS BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER WICKS 03:27:04.411 --> 03:27:06.180 BEGINNING WITH ITEM 15, WHICH 03:27:06.247 --> 03:27:10.084 IS AB 1856. WELCOME AND PLEASE 03:27:10.151 --> 03:27:11.152 PRESENT WHEN YOU'RE READY. 03:27:11.218 --> 03:27:12.953 THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 03:27:13.020 --> 03:27:17.224 MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS AND STAFF. 03:27:17.291 --> 03:27:18.359 WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE 03:27:18.425 --> 03:27:22.997 HERE TO. I WANT TO THANK THE 03:27:23.063 --> 03:27:24.165 COMMITTEE STAFF FOR ALL OF 03:27:24.231 --> 03:27:25.666 THEIR HARD WORK AND. THE CHAIR, 03:27:25.733 --> 03:27:28.803 OF COURSE. AND AFTER VARIOUS 03:27:28.869 --> 03:27:29.937 CONVERSATIONS, I AM HAPPY TO 03:27:30.004 --> 03:27:31.005 ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS 03:27:31.071 --> 03:27:33.474 TODAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 03:27:33.541 --> 03:27:34.208 CALIFORNIA'S CHILDREN ARE 03:27:34.275 --> 03:27:35.543 GROWING UP WITH ACCESS TO AN 03:27:35.609 --> 03:27:36.710 ONLINE WORLD THAT WAS NOT BUILT 03:27:36.777 --> 03:27:38.913 WITH THEM IN MIND. WHILE WE 03:27:38.979 --> 03:27:40.314 CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT KEEP KIDS 03:27:40.381 --> 03:27:42.149 OFF THE INTERNET, WE MUST CRAFT 03:27:42.216 --> 03:27:42.883 POLICIES THAT PROTECT THEM 03:27:42.950 --> 03:27:44.652 WHILE THEY'RE ONLINE. LAST YEAR, 03:27:44.718 --> 03:27:46.787 MY MY BILL AB 1043, TOOK A STEP 03:27:46.854 --> 03:27:47.888 IN THAT DIRECTION BY 03:27:47.955 --> 03:27:48.989 ESTABLISHING CALIFORNIA'S 03:27:49.056 --> 03:27:50.424 DIGITAL AGE ASSURANCE ACT, 03:27:50.491 --> 03:27:51.826 WHICH CREATED A KNOWLEDGE 03:27:51.892 --> 03:27:53.294 STANDARD FRAMEWORK THAT USES 03:27:53.360 --> 03:27:54.695 AGE SIGNALS TO SEND A USER'S 03:27:54.762 --> 03:27:56.197 AGE RANGE FROM A DEVICE 03:27:56.263 --> 03:27:58.332 OPERATING SYSTEM TO DEVELOPERS. 03:27:58.399 --> 03:27:59.767 WHEN AN APP IS DOWNLOADED AND 03:27:59.834 --> 03:28:01.936 LAUNCHED, THE DIGITAL ASSURANCE 03:28:02.002 --> 03:28:04.071 ACT WAS INTENDED TO BALANCE 03:28:04.138 --> 03:28:05.873 PRIVACY AND USABILITY WHILE 03:28:05.940 --> 03:28:08.042 HELPING TO PROTECT KIDS ONLINE. 03:28:08.108 --> 03:28:10.578 AB 1856 WILL HELP FURTHER THESE 03:28:10.644 --> 03:28:12.746 GOALS BY CLARIFYING THE AGE 03:28:12.813 --> 03:28:13.814 ASSURANCE FRAMEWORK. 03:28:13.881 --> 03:28:14.849 SPECIFICALLY, THIS BILL 03:28:14.915 --> 03:28:16.317 CLARIFIES THAT AGE SIGNAL 03:28:16.383 --> 03:28:17.785 BRACKET DATA PERTAINS TO THE 03:28:17.852 --> 03:28:20.287 PRIMARY USER OF THE DEVICE. 03:28:20.354 --> 03:28:21.422 SPECIFIES THAT THE BILL ONLY 03:28:21.488 --> 03:28:22.456 APPLIES TO OPERATING SYSTEMS 03:28:22.523 --> 03:28:23.858 THAT HAVE AN ACCOUNT SETUP 03:28:23.924 --> 03:28:25.326 FEATURE. PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON 03:28:25.392 --> 03:28:26.427 WHAT INTERNAL INFORMATION CAN 03:28:26.493 --> 03:28:28.596 BE USED AS, QUOTE, CLEAR, AND 03:28:28.662 --> 03:28:29.763 CONVINCING EVIDENCE. WHEN THERE 03:28:29.830 --> 03:28:32.533 ARE CONFLICTING AGE SIGNALS. 03:28:32.600 --> 03:28:35.402 PROHIBITS COVERED ENTITIES FROM 03:28:35.469 --> 03:28:36.537 PROMPTING A USER TO PROVIDE 03:28:36.604 --> 03:28:38.639 DIFFERENT AGE INFORMATION, AND 03:28:38.706 --> 03:28:41.175 INTEGRATES WEBSITES INTO THE 03:28:41.242 --> 03:28:43.310 DIGITAL AGE ASSURANCE ACT. 03:28:43.377 --> 03:28:44.745 NICOLE ROCHA IS HERE TO PRESENT 03:28:44.812 --> 03:28:46.313 ON BEHALF OF CHILDREN NOW, AND 03:28:46.380 --> 03:28:49.083 I'LL JUST SAY, AND YOU'LL 03:28:49.149 --> 03:28:50.851 APPRECIATE THIS, MR. CHAIR, 03:28:50.918 --> 03:28:53.087 BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS ON 03:28:53.153 --> 03:28:56.056 TOP OF EVERYTHING. WE PASSED 03:28:56.123 --> 03:28:58.092 THIS BILL LAST YEAR AND THEN 03:28:58.158 --> 03:28:58.959 REALIZED WE HAD SOME CLEANUP 03:28:59.026 --> 03:29:01.362 WORK TO DO. AND SO THIS IS THE 03:29:01.428 --> 03:29:02.796 RESULT OF THAT OF VARIOUS 03:29:02.863 --> 03:29:04.231 DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS WHO CAME 03:29:04.298 --> 03:29:06.066 FORWARD ONCE THE BILL WAS 03:29:06.133 --> 03:29:06.767 ACTUALLY SIGNED INTO LAW AND 03:29:06.834 --> 03:29:08.636 SAID, WAIT A SECOND, WHAT ABOUT 03:29:08.702 --> 03:29:09.803 THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. WE 03:29:09.870 --> 03:29:11.705 WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF ALL OF 03:29:11.772 --> 03:29:12.706 THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO 03:29:12.773 --> 03:29:13.874 THIS IS CLEANUP SO THAT WE'RE 03:29:13.941 --> 03:29:14.975 ACTUALLY CREATING POLICY AND 03:29:15.042 --> 03:29:16.710 LAW THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED AND 03:29:16.777 --> 03:29:17.611 IMPLEMENTED EFFECTIVELY. SO 03:29:17.678 --> 03:29:18.846 WITH THAT, I'LL ASK MY WITNESS 03:29:18.913 --> 03:29:21.215 TO OPINE. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR 03:29:21.282 --> 03:29:22.917 AND MEMBERS. MY NAME IS NICOLE 03:29:22.983 --> 03:29:23.984 ROCHA HERE ON BEHALF OF 03:29:24.051 --> 03:29:25.486 CHILDREN. NOW CHILDREN NOW 03:29:25.552 --> 03:29:27.288 TAKES A WHOLE CHILD APPROACH TO 03:29:27.354 --> 03:29:28.722 IMPROVING THE LIVES OF 03:29:28.789 --> 03:29:30.491 CALIFORNIA KIDS AND ENSURING 03:29:30.557 --> 03:29:31.725 THAT THEY HAVE THE SUPPORTS 03:29:31.792 --> 03:29:34.461 THEY NEED TO THRIVE. LAST YEAR, 03:29:34.528 --> 03:29:35.996 CALIFORNIA PASSED AB 1043, 03:29:36.063 --> 03:29:37.331 WHICH CLOSED A DANGEROUS 03:29:37.398 --> 03:29:38.365 LOOPHOLE BY WHICH APPS HAVE 03:29:38.432 --> 03:29:40.234 LONG BEEN ABLE TO IGNORE THE 03:29:40.301 --> 03:29:41.869 AGE OF THEIR USERS CHILDREN. 03:29:41.936 --> 03:29:43.270 NOW WAS THE SPONSOR OF THAT 03:29:43.337 --> 03:29:45.973 BILL AND IS IN SUPPORT OF 1856, 03:29:46.040 --> 03:29:47.408 WHICH PROVIDES NECESSARY 03:29:47.474 --> 03:29:50.311 CLEANUP. 1856 WILL EXTEND THE 03:29:50.377 --> 03:29:52.780 PROTECTIONS OF AB 1043 BEYOND 03:29:52.846 --> 03:29:54.181 APPS TO ONLINE PRODUCTS THAT 03:29:54.248 --> 03:29:56.083 ARE ACCESSED THROUGH A WEB 03:29:56.150 --> 03:29:57.151 BROWSER. THE THOUGHTFUL 03:29:57.217 --> 03:29:58.218 AMENDMENTS FROM THIS COMMITTEE 03:29:58.285 --> 03:30:00.020 ADD EVEN MORE PRECISION TO THIS 03:30:00.087 --> 03:30:02.890 POINT. THE BILL ALSO ADDS 03:30:02.957 --> 03:30:03.958 ADDITIONAL CLARITY TO 03:30:04.024 --> 03:30:05.726 SITUATIONS WHERE MULTIPLE 03:30:05.793 --> 03:30:06.827 MEMBERS OF A FAMILY SHARE A 03:30:06.894 --> 03:30:08.329 DEVICE. BY PROVIDING THAT THE 03:30:08.395 --> 03:30:09.697 PROVISIONS OF THE BILL ONLY 03:30:09.763 --> 03:30:11.165 APPLY WITH RESPECT TO THE 03:30:11.231 --> 03:30:13.367 PRIMARY USER. THUS, A PARENT 03:30:13.434 --> 03:30:15.169 COULD SET THE DEVICE TO 03:30:15.235 --> 03:30:16.036 CORRESPOND WITH THE PROTECTIONS 03:30:16.103 --> 03:30:17.404 THEY DESIRE FOR THEIR FAMILY. 03:30:17.471 --> 03:30:19.473 THIS IS IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO 03:30:19.540 --> 03:30:20.507 CONCERNS RAISED BY THE 03:30:20.574 --> 03:30:23.410 STREAMING SERVICES. THESE. 03:30:23.477 --> 03:30:25.212 TECHNICALLY, THESE SEEMINGLY 03:30:25.279 --> 03:30:26.680 TECHNICAL CHANGES WILL 03:30:26.747 --> 03:30:27.748 DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE THE 03:30:27.815 --> 03:30:29.149 DIGITAL WORLD FOR CALIFORNIA 03:30:29.216 --> 03:30:30.317 KIDS AS PLATFORMS WILL BE 03:30:30.384 --> 03:30:32.052 FORCED TO FOLLOW LAWS THEY HAVE 03:30:32.119 --> 03:30:34.555 LONG EVADED. LAWS RELATED TO 03:30:34.621 --> 03:30:36.390 ADVERTISING PROHIBITIONS, DATA 03:30:36.457 --> 03:30:37.758 PROTECTIONS AND PARENTAL 03:30:37.825 --> 03:30:39.226 CONSENT THAT WERE ALL INITIALLY 03:30:39.293 --> 03:30:42.162 PASSED TO PROTECT YOUTH. AB 03:30:42.229 --> 03:30:44.098 1856 IS A SENSIBLE TECHNICAL 03:30:44.164 --> 03:30:46.834 FOLLOW UP BILL THAT WAS PASSED 03:30:46.900 --> 03:30:48.335 WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT LAST 03:30:48.402 --> 03:30:49.703 YEAR. IT'S AN IMPORTANT MEASURE 03:30:49.770 --> 03:30:51.138 THAT WILL MAKE THE INTERNET A 03:30:51.205 --> 03:30:52.306 BETTER, MORE SUPPORTIVE PLACE 03:30:52.373 --> 03:30:53.974 FOR CALIFORNIA'S YOUTH. I URGE 03:30:54.041 --> 03:30:58.345 YOUR VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 03:30:58.412 --> 03:30:59.880 LET'S TURN NOW. DOES ANYONE 03:30:59.947 --> 03:31:01.615 WISH TO PROVIDE TO REGISTER 03:31:01.682 --> 03:31:03.017 THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE BILL, AND 03:31:03.083 --> 03:31:04.218 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO 03:31:04.284 --> 03:31:06.086 THE MIC AND SHARE WITH US YOUR 03:31:06.153 --> 03:31:07.321 NAME, YOUR AFFILIATION, BUT NOT 03:31:07.388 --> 03:31:09.423 NOT YOUR LOBBYING FIRM AND YOUR 03:31:09.490 --> 03:31:14.495 POSITION ON THE BILL. THANK YOU. 03:31:14.561 --> 03:31:16.330 GOOD AFTERNOON, THEA PATEL HERE 03:31:16.397 --> 03:31:17.631 WITH THREE STRANDS IN FULL 03:31:17.698 --> 03:31:20.968 SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU. 03:31:21.035 --> 03:31:22.903 GOOD AFTERNOON. ABBY COPELAND, 03:31:22.970 --> 03:31:23.670 REPRESENTING THREE STRANDS 03:31:23.737 --> 03:31:25.539 GLOBAL FOUNDATION POLICY TEAM 03:31:25.606 --> 03:31:29.676 IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL. OLIVIA 03:31:29.743 --> 03:31:31.145 HERRERA ON BEHALF OF ELEVATE 03:31:31.211 --> 03:31:34.381 AND SUPPORT, THANK YOU AT 03:31:34.448 --> 03:31:35.449 HOWARD CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY 03:31:35.516 --> 03:31:36.517 INSTITUTE, UNIVERSITY OF SAN 03:31:36.583 --> 03:31:38.152 DIEGO SCHOOL OF LAW AND SUPPORT. 03:31:38.218 --> 03:31:40.821 THANK YOU. LET'S TURN NEXT TO 03:31:40.888 --> 03:31:42.623 WITNESSES IN OPPOSITION. DOES 03:31:42.689 --> 03:31:44.591 ANYONE WISH TO TESTIFY? PROVIDE 03:31:44.658 --> 03:31:48.028 LEAD WITNESS TESTIMONY? IF SO, 03:31:48.095 --> 03:31:57.071 YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. CHAIR 03:31:57.137 --> 03:31:58.472 AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, 03:31:58.539 --> 03:31:59.907 MELISSA PATAK FOR THE MOTION 03:31:59.973 --> 03:32:01.975 PICTURE ASSOCIATION. SO WE HAVE 03:32:02.042 --> 03:32:03.811 BEEN WORKING WITH THE AUTHOR 03:32:03.877 --> 03:32:06.046 AND I CHECKED THE ANALYSIS AND 03:32:06.113 --> 03:32:07.681 I DID NOT SEE ANY AMENDMENTS, 03:32:07.748 --> 03:32:10.017 BUT I HEARD TESTIMONY THAT SAYS 03:32:10.084 --> 03:32:11.452 AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO 03:32:11.518 --> 03:32:13.253 ADDRESS CONCERNS RAISED BY THE 03:32:13.320 --> 03:32:14.288 STREAMING SERVICES, WHICH IS 03:32:14.354 --> 03:32:16.123 THE PARTS OF MOTION PICTURE 03:32:16.190 --> 03:32:17.524 ASSOCIATION THAT WE HAVE RAISED 03:32:17.591 --> 03:32:19.693 CONCERNS. SO I I'M GOING TO LAY 03:32:19.760 --> 03:32:21.328 OUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING 03:32:21.395 --> 03:32:23.130 ABOUT THE BILL, AND I'M HOPEFUL 03:32:23.197 --> 03:32:25.132 THAT THOSE AMENDMENTS, WHEN I 03:32:25.199 --> 03:32:26.567 GET TO REVIEW THEM AND OUR 03:32:26.633 --> 03:32:27.401 COMPANIES GET TO REVIEW THEM, 03:32:27.468 --> 03:32:29.203 THAT THEY DO SATISFY MANY OF 03:32:29.269 --> 03:32:31.939 OUR CONCERNS. WE HAVE. I 03:32:32.005 --> 03:32:33.740 UNDERSTAND THE BILL IS 03:32:33.807 --> 03:32:35.542 ESTABLISHING A FRAMEWORK FOR 03:32:35.609 --> 03:32:38.779 AGE ASSURANCE, AND IT. AND THE 03:32:38.846 --> 03:32:40.481 BILL SETS UP A FRAMEWORK THAT 03:32:40.547 --> 03:32:44.518 IT WANTS APPLIED TO ALL APPS 03:32:44.585 --> 03:32:46.420 AND BROWSERS. ET CETERA. WE 03:32:46.487 --> 03:32:49.189 HAVE PUT FORWARD THE BUSINESS 03:32:49.256 --> 03:32:51.058 PRACTICE AND THE BUSINESS MODEL 03:32:51.125 --> 03:32:53.560 USED BY MANY OF OUR STREAMING 03:32:53.627 --> 03:32:54.695 SERVICES. NOT ALL. THEY'RE THE 03:32:54.761 --> 03:32:55.963 ONES THAT HAVE SUBSCRIPTIONS 03:32:56.029 --> 03:32:57.231 WHERE THERE'S A VERIFIED ADULT 03:32:57.297 --> 03:33:00.033 AND A CREDIT CARD. AND WE THINK 03:33:00.100 --> 03:33:01.468 THAT THAT SYSTEM, WHICH ALSO 03:33:01.535 --> 03:33:03.637 HAS PARENTAL CONTROLS AND 03:33:03.704 --> 03:33:05.072 SUBACCOUNTS, WHERE THE PARENTS 03:33:05.139 --> 03:33:06.907 CAN IDENTIFY THE KIND OF 03:33:06.974 --> 03:33:07.975 CONTENT THAT THEY FEEL IS 03:33:08.041 --> 03:33:09.576 APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR HOUSEHOLD, 03:33:09.643 --> 03:33:11.178 FOR THEIR CHILDREN, FOR THOSE 03:33:11.245 --> 03:33:13.780 SUBACCOUNTS, WE THINK THAT THAT 03:33:13.847 --> 03:33:14.715 SATISFIES THE OBJECTIVES OF THE 03:33:14.781 --> 03:33:17.317 BILL, AND WE WANTED TO PRESERVE 03:33:17.384 --> 03:33:19.486 THAT BUSINESS MODEL AND THAT 03:33:19.553 --> 03:33:21.922 FRAMEWORK. AND THAT'S A LOT OF 03:33:21.989 --> 03:33:23.023 WHAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING WITH 03:33:23.090 --> 03:33:24.124 THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE ABOUT OVER 03:33:24.191 --> 03:33:25.926 THESE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS. SO 03:33:25.993 --> 03:33:27.094 I LOOK FORWARD TO REVIEWING 03:33:27.161 --> 03:33:29.563 THOSE AMENDMENTS. WE HAD ALSO 03:33:29.630 --> 03:33:31.698 ASKED THAT THERE BE THE 03:33:31.765 --> 03:33:34.601 OPPORTUNITY FOR AN AN APP TO 03:33:34.668 --> 03:33:37.104 TELL THE APP STORE THAT THEY 03:33:37.171 --> 03:33:38.572 WANT THEIR APP BLOCKED FOR 03:33:38.639 --> 03:33:40.707 CHILDREN. WE THINK THAT THAT'S 03:33:40.774 --> 03:33:43.243 A CUT AND DRY BLACK, YOU KNOW, 03:33:43.310 --> 03:33:45.379 BRIGHT LINE. IF THE APP 03:33:45.445 --> 03:33:46.580 DEVELOPER SAYS, WE DON'T THINK 03:33:46.647 --> 03:33:48.615 THAT KIDS SHOULD BE ON THIS OR 03:33:48.682 --> 03:33:50.083 WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AGE 03:33:50.150 --> 03:33:51.885 INFORMATION ABOUT CHILDREN, 03:33:51.952 --> 03:33:53.954 THAT BLOCKING IS IS A WAY TO 03:33:54.021 --> 03:33:55.022 ACCOMPLISH THAT. AND THEN WE 03:33:55.088 --> 03:33:56.590 HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHETHER 03:33:56.657 --> 03:33:57.958 THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT 03:33:58.025 --> 03:34:00.561 MORE CONTEXT, A LITTLE MORE 03:34:00.627 --> 03:34:01.962 SPECIFICITY TO CLEAR AND 03:34:02.029 --> 03:34:04.831 CONVINCING. I KNOW WE SAID WE 03:34:04.898 --> 03:34:06.200 MIGHT BE INCLINED TO PROVIDE 03:34:06.266 --> 03:34:07.367 SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. THE 03:34:07.434 --> 03:34:08.569 AUTHOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN OPEN 03:34:08.635 --> 03:34:10.571 TO THAT, AND THAT REMAINS AN 03:34:10.637 --> 03:34:13.073 ONGOING DISCUSSION. AND WITH 03:34:13.140 --> 03:34:15.142 THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE. THANK 03:34:15.209 --> 03:34:17.811 YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK 03:34:17.878 --> 03:34:20.647 YOU. ANOTHER WITNESS IN 03:34:20.714 --> 03:34:27.921 OPPOSITION. GOOD MORNING OR 03:34:27.988 --> 03:34:30.057 AFTERNOON. STILL, ROBERT 03:34:30.123 --> 03:34:32.192 SINGLETON, CHAMBER OF PROGRESS 03:34:32.259 --> 03:34:33.327 HERE, RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED THE 03:34:33.393 --> 03:34:35.128 BILL. ALSO HAVEN'T SEEN THE 03:34:35.195 --> 03:34:36.563 AMENDMENTS YET. SO I JUST WANT 03:34:36.630 --> 03:34:38.665 TO FOCUS ON ONE CORE PART. 03:34:38.732 --> 03:34:39.800 RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMITTEE 03:34:39.866 --> 03:34:40.867 TO REMOVE THE PROPOSED 03:34:40.934 --> 03:34:43.003 EXPANSION OF AB 1043 B ON APP 03:34:43.070 --> 03:34:44.438 STORES TO ENCOMPASS BROWSERS, 03:34:44.504 --> 03:34:45.872 WEBSITES AND OTHER ONLINE 03:34:45.939 --> 03:34:46.974 SERVICES. THE ORIGINAL 03:34:47.040 --> 03:34:48.775 FRAMEWORK WAS INTENDED WAS 03:34:48.842 --> 03:34:49.843 ORIGINALLY INTENTIONALLY 03:34:49.910 --> 03:34:51.278 DESIGNED AROUND THE APP STORE 03:34:51.345 --> 03:34:52.145 ECOSYSTEM, WHERE OPERATING 03:34:52.212 --> 03:34:53.780 SYSTEM PROVIDERS CAN MEDIATE 03:34:53.847 --> 03:34:54.848 INTERACTIONS IN A CONTROLLED 03:34:54.915 --> 03:34:55.916 ENVIRONMENT WITH ESTABLISHED 03:34:55.983 --> 03:34:57.417 CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS AND 03:34:57.484 --> 03:34:59.186 ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISMS, 03:34:59.253 --> 03:35:00.320 ENDING OR EXTENDING THAT 03:35:00.387 --> 03:35:02.089 FRAMEWORK TO THE OPEN WEB IS 03:35:02.155 --> 03:35:02.823 FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT AND 03:35:02.889 --> 03:35:04.224 RAISES SIGNIFICANT PRIVACY, 03:35:04.291 --> 03:35:04.992 IMPLEMENTATION, AND 03:35:05.058 --> 03:35:06.860 CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS. UNLIKE 03:35:06.927 --> 03:35:08.895 APP STORES, THE OPEN WEB HAS NO 03:35:08.962 --> 03:35:10.364 CENTRALIZED GATEKEEPER TO 03:35:10.430 --> 03:35:12.199 OVERSEE HOW AGE SIGNALS ARE 03:35:12.266 --> 03:35:13.767 HANDLED ARE HANDLED, REQUIRING 03:35:13.834 --> 03:35:15.002 BROWSERS TO TRANSMIT AGE 03:35:15.068 --> 03:35:16.503 INFORMATION TO WEBSITES COULD 03:35:16.570 --> 03:35:17.137 SUBSTANTIALLY EXPAND THE NUMBER 03:35:17.204 --> 03:35:18.238 OF ENTITIES RECEIVING 03:35:18.305 --> 03:35:18.972 INFORMATION, INCLUDING 03:35:19.039 --> 03:35:20.207 OPERATORS WITH LIMITED SECURITY 03:35:20.274 --> 03:35:21.908 OR PRIVACY PROTECTIONS, WHILE 03:35:21.975 --> 03:35:22.943 ALSO RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT 03:35:23.010 --> 03:35:24.044 ANONYMOUS ACCESS TO LAWFUL 03:35:24.111 --> 03:35:25.846 ONLINE CONTENT. IN ADDITION, 03:35:25.912 --> 03:35:27.681 BECAUSE THIS BILL TIES BROWSER 03:35:27.748 --> 03:35:28.415 OBLIGATIONS TO EXISTING AND 03:35:28.482 --> 03:35:29.816 FUTURE AGE VERIFICATION LAWS, 03:35:29.883 --> 03:35:31.018 ITS SCOPE CONTINUE TO EXPAND 03:35:31.084 --> 03:35:33.153 WITHOUT LEGISLATIVE REVIEW. AND 03:35:33.220 --> 03:35:34.454 THEN ADDITIONALLY, ONE CONCERN 03:35:34.521 --> 03:35:38.058 WE HAVE IS HOW WE DEFINE A 03:35:38.125 --> 03:35:39.493 CLEAR AND CONVINCING 03:35:39.559 --> 03:35:41.695 INFORMATION WHEN WHEN WEBSITE 03:35:41.762 --> 03:35:42.896 DEVELOPERS RECEIVE A DIFFERENT 03:35:42.963 --> 03:35:44.264 SIGNAL THAN WHAT THE AGE SIGNAL 03:35:44.331 --> 03:35:45.265 IS INDICATING AND HOW TO 03:35:45.332 --> 03:35:46.400 RECONCILE THOSE. RIGHT NOW, THE 03:35:46.466 --> 03:35:48.302 DEFINITION PRESENTLY SAYS COULD 03:35:48.368 --> 03:35:49.970 BE INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED 03:35:50.037 --> 03:35:51.405 TO. SO JUST GREATER 03:35:51.471 --> 03:35:52.839 CLARIFICATION ON HOW THOSE 03:35:52.906 --> 03:35:54.274 SIGNALS, THOSE COMPETING AGE 03:35:54.341 --> 03:35:55.709 SIGNALS OR INFORMATION WOULD BE 03:35:55.776 --> 03:36:00.013 HANDLED. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU 03:36:00.080 --> 03:36:02.182 TO YOU. BOTH. OTHERS WISHING TO 03:36:02.249 --> 03:36:03.317 REGISTER THEIR OPPOSITION TO 03:36:03.383 --> 03:36:06.119 THE BILL I IN OPPOSITION, 03:36:06.186 --> 03:36:07.854 UNLESS AMENDED ON BEHALF OF THE 03:36:07.921 --> 03:36:11.558 ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION. 03:36:11.625 --> 03:36:13.026 I, ROBERT MOYAMOYA, IN 03:36:13.093 --> 03:36:17.331 RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. HI, I'M 03:36:17.397 --> 03:36:18.732 TRACY ROSENBERG WITH OAKLAND 03:36:18.799 --> 03:36:20.167 PRIVACY. WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY 03:36:20.233 --> 03:36:22.002 OPPOSED TO THE BILL. WE HAVE 03:36:22.069 --> 03:36:24.538 SOME CONCERNS. AND WE HAD A 03:36:24.604 --> 03:36:26.306 QUESTION THE SAME AS THE 03:36:26.373 --> 03:36:28.842 OPPOSITION WITNESS, REGARDING 03:36:28.909 --> 03:36:29.910 CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE 03:36:29.976 --> 03:36:31.378 AMENDMENTS ARE. WE THINK THEY 03:36:31.445 --> 03:36:33.513 LIKELY ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. WE 03:36:33.580 --> 03:36:40.721 JUST DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. HI. I 03:36:40.787 --> 03:36:41.788 ACCIDENTALLY MISSED THE 03:36:41.855 --> 03:36:43.223 OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS SUPPORT 03:36:43.290 --> 03:36:44.658 FOR THE BILL, BUT I'M ACTUALLY 03:36:44.725 --> 03:36:46.159 HERE IN SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF 03:36:46.226 --> 03:36:47.928 THE SURVIVOR ADVISORY BOARD 03:36:47.994 --> 03:36:49.696 WITH THREE STRANDS GLOBAL IN 03:36:49.763 --> 03:36:54.768 STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ALL 03:36:54.835 --> 03:36:56.570 RIGHT. WITH THAT, THEN, LET ME 03:36:56.636 --> 03:36:59.473 JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT THE 03:36:59.539 --> 03:37:00.874 AMENDMENTS ARE. THE CORE OF THE 03:37:00.941 --> 03:37:04.444 AMENDMENTS ARE THEY APPLY THE 03:37:04.511 --> 03:37:05.912 BILL NOT TO ALL INTERNET 03:37:05.979 --> 03:37:07.381 WEBSITE OPERATORS, BUT TO 03:37:07.447 --> 03:37:09.182 DEVELOPERS ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS 03:37:09.249 --> 03:37:11.685 OF AN APPLICATION AND POINT OF 03:37:11.752 --> 03:37:13.553 ACCESS OF THE APPLICATION FOR 03:37:13.620 --> 03:37:16.390 THE DEVICE. AND SO AND SECONDLY, 03:37:16.456 --> 03:37:17.457 IMPOSE PENALTIES ON WEBSITES 03:37:17.524 --> 03:37:19.326 THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED TO, TO 03:37:19.393 --> 03:37:21.161 USE AGE SIGNALS, BUT REQUEST 03:37:21.228 --> 03:37:23.930 THEM ANYWAY. AND THE BILL, I 03:37:23.997 --> 03:37:25.499 JUST WANT TO I WANT TO SALUTE 03:37:25.565 --> 03:37:27.200 THE AUTHOR FOR THIS. LAST 03:37:27.267 --> 03:37:29.936 YEAR'S LEGISLATION WAS A 03:37:30.003 --> 03:37:33.240 BEAUTIFULLY SOLUTION TO A MUCH, 03:37:33.306 --> 03:37:34.975 MUCH, A VERY COMPLICATED 03:37:35.041 --> 03:37:36.410 PROBLEM THAT DOES INVOLVE TRADE 03:37:36.476 --> 03:37:37.878 OFFS WITH SOME PRIVACY, BUT AT 03:37:37.944 --> 03:37:39.646 THE MINIMUM LEVEL NECESSARY. 03:37:39.713 --> 03:37:40.881 THAT SIMPLE AND DOESN'T DEPEND 03:37:40.947 --> 03:37:43.250 ON ON ON CHILDREN TYPING IN 03:37:43.316 --> 03:37:46.153 THEIR BIRTH DATE, OR SOME OR 03:37:46.219 --> 03:37:47.521 EVERYONE ELSE HAVING TO SHOW AN 03:37:47.587 --> 03:37:49.689 ID ON ONLINE IN ORDER TO 03:37:49.756 --> 03:37:50.824 PARTICIPATE IN THE DIGITAL 03:37:50.891 --> 03:37:51.992 WORLD. IT'S A REALLY POWERFUL 03:37:52.058 --> 03:37:53.059 AND IMPORTANT INNOVATION IN 03:37:53.126 --> 03:37:54.728 THIS SPACE, AND I APPRECIATE 03:37:54.795 --> 03:37:56.997 THE AUTHOR SPENDING, THE EFFORT 03:37:57.063 --> 03:37:58.498 TO KEEP FOLLOWING UP ON STUFF 03:37:58.565 --> 03:37:59.633 AND NOT JUST ISSUE A PRESS 03:37:59.699 --> 03:38:01.401 RELEASE AND SAY GOODBYE, BUT 03:38:01.468 --> 03:38:02.669 REALLY DIG IN TO MAKE SURE THAT 03:38:02.736 --> 03:38:04.137 WE'RE GETTING THIS, THIS 03:38:04.204 --> 03:38:06.273 CORRECT. AND I MEAN, LAST 03:38:06.339 --> 03:38:08.108 YEAR'S BILL TOOK ADVANTAGE OF 03:38:08.175 --> 03:38:09.776 ESSENTIALLY THE I KNOW THIS IS 03:38:09.843 --> 03:38:11.545 A SENSITIVE TERM, BUT THE 03:38:11.611 --> 03:38:12.679 WALLED GARDEN OF THE OF THE 03:38:12.746 --> 03:38:13.814 APPLICATION OF THE APP STORES 03:38:13.880 --> 03:38:16.450 AND THE FACT THAT THAT THE 03:38:16.516 --> 03:38:18.518 DEVICES HAVE THE ABILITY TO 03:38:18.585 --> 03:38:20.353 CONSTRUCT A SIGNAL AND THAT 03:38:20.420 --> 03:38:22.489 THEY ALSO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP 03:38:22.556 --> 03:38:24.624 THROUGH THEIR APP STORES WITH, 03:38:24.691 --> 03:38:26.593 WITH THE, WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS 03:38:26.660 --> 03:38:28.962 THAT HAVE APPLICATIONS. AND 03:38:29.029 --> 03:38:31.465 THEREFORE IT'S NOT AN UNLIMITED 03:38:31.531 --> 03:38:33.667 UNIVERSE, BUT THAT THEY HAVE 03:38:33.733 --> 03:38:36.169 OTHER TOOLS BY WHICH TO NOT 03:38:36.236 --> 03:38:37.571 ACCEPT OR TO ACCEPT OR DEMAND 03:38:37.637 --> 03:38:38.638 CHANGES WHEN APPLICATIONS ARE 03:38:38.705 --> 03:38:39.773 UPLOADED. SO THERE'S AN 03:38:39.840 --> 03:38:41.208 EXISTING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN 03:38:41.274 --> 03:38:42.642 APPLE OR THE ANDROID OR THE 03:38:42.709 --> 03:38:44.744 GOOGLE STORE THAT IS UNIQUE IN 03:38:44.811 --> 03:38:46.580 THIS CASE AND WITH THE 03:38:46.646 --> 03:38:47.414 AMENDMENTS. THAT'S WHAT THIS 03:38:47.481 --> 03:38:49.149 BILL CONTINUES TO FOCUS ON. ARE 03:38:49.216 --> 03:38:51.318 THE ARE THOSE IN WHICH THE TWO 03:38:51.384 --> 03:38:53.053 APPS, THE MAJOR APP STORE 03:38:53.119 --> 03:38:55.188 OPERATORS, CONTINUE TO HAVE THE 03:38:55.255 --> 03:38:58.091 ABILITY TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH 03:38:58.158 --> 03:38:59.092 COMPANIES AND DEVELOPERS THAT 03:38:59.159 --> 03:39:00.627 THEY ALREADY HAVE A 03:39:00.694 --> 03:39:01.695 RELATIONSHIP WITH. SO IT 03:39:01.761 --> 03:39:03.463 DOESN'T KNOW IT DOES NOT APPLY 03:39:03.530 --> 03:39:04.965 TO EVERY WEBSITE ON THE PLANET. 03:39:05.031 --> 03:39:06.466 IT DOESN'T APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, 03:39:06.533 --> 03:39:07.834 ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN IN THAT 03:39:07.901 --> 03:39:10.003 IN THAT NARROW, MUCH NARROWER 03:39:10.070 --> 03:39:12.906 POCKET. AND IT IS INSTEAD, IT 03:39:12.973 --> 03:39:14.207 CLOSES, CLOSES A LOOPHOLE IN 03:39:14.274 --> 03:39:15.509 THE BILL FROM BEFORE, WHICH 03:39:15.575 --> 03:39:16.610 DEALT WITH THE APPLICATION 03:39:16.676 --> 03:39:18.211 ITSELF, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN 03:39:18.278 --> 03:39:20.013 ALL CASES, OR AT LEAST NOT AS 03:39:20.080 --> 03:39:21.181 CLEARLY AS SOME PEOPLE WOULD 03:39:21.248 --> 03:39:22.215 LIKE WITH THE ASSOCIATED 03:39:22.282 --> 03:39:23.717 WEBSITES THAT GO WITH THOSE 03:39:23.783 --> 03:39:26.219 APPLICATIONS. SO JUST FOR FOR 03:39:26.286 --> 03:39:28.622 CLARIFICATION. AND SO LET'S 03:39:28.688 --> 03:39:30.457 TURN TO THE COMMITTEE FOR ANY 03:39:30.524 --> 03:39:31.525 QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. SENATOR 03:39:31.591 --> 03:39:32.626 PADILLA THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 03:39:32.692 --> 03:39:33.660 THANK THE AUTHOR FOR YOUR 03:39:33.727 --> 03:39:34.728 CONTINUED LEADERSHIP IN THIS 03:39:34.794 --> 03:39:35.662 SPACE AND FOR WORKING 03:39:35.729 --> 03:39:36.730 DILIGENTLY WITH THE COMMITTEE 03:39:36.796 --> 03:39:38.798 STAFF ON TRYING TO FASHION SOME 03:39:38.865 --> 03:39:40.033 AMENDS THAT WILL MOVE THIS BILL 03:39:40.100 --> 03:39:42.002 IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I 03:39:42.068 --> 03:39:43.103 APPRECIATE IT VERY, VERY MUCH. 03:39:43.169 --> 03:39:44.905 CONTINUE TO HEAR SOME OF THE 03:39:44.971 --> 03:39:46.239 CONCERNS, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE 03:39:46.306 --> 03:39:48.575 IN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION HERE, 03:39:48.642 --> 03:39:49.809 AND I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE BILL 03:39:49.876 --> 03:39:51.711 AT THE RIGHT TIME. ALL RIGHT. 03:39:51.778 --> 03:39:55.048 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 03:39:55.115 --> 03:39:56.816 IF NOT, THEN I WOULD INVITE THE 03:39:56.883 --> 03:39:58.218 ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S. WICKS WOULD 03:39:58.285 --> 03:40:00.520 YOU LIKE TO CLOSE OR JUST. MR. 03:40:00.587 --> 03:40:01.988 CHAIR, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. 03:40:02.055 --> 03:40:03.690 WE HAD SOME VERY PRODUCTIVE 03:40:03.757 --> 03:40:04.391 CONVERSATIONS, WHICH I THINK 03:40:04.457 --> 03:40:05.725 SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS WE'RE 03:40:05.792 --> 03:40:07.427 GOING TO BE TAKING WILL, I 03:40:07.494 --> 03:40:08.562 THINK, HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE 03:40:08.628 --> 03:40:09.696 CONCERNS RAISED BY OPPOSITION. 03:40:09.763 --> 03:40:11.431 AND, OF COURSE, MY DOOR IS 03:40:11.498 --> 03:40:12.532 ALWAYS OPEN TO CONTINUE THOSE 03:40:12.599 --> 03:40:13.800 CONVERSATIONS AS WELL. I DO 03:40:13.867 --> 03:40:15.435 THINK THIS BILL IS CRITICAL. I 03:40:15.502 --> 03:40:16.570 KNOW FOR SENATOR PATTY AND I, 03:40:16.636 --> 03:40:17.704 WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON THE 03:40:17.771 --> 03:40:19.506 CHATBOT BILL, A LOT OF THE 03:40:19.573 --> 03:40:20.640 OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA REGULATION 03:40:20.707 --> 03:40:22.442 AS WELL, A LOT OF THAT. THE 03:40:22.509 --> 03:40:23.577 ONLY WAY THAT STUFF CAN BE 03:40:23.643 --> 03:40:24.711 EFFECTIVE IS IF WE ACTUALLY 03:40:24.778 --> 03:40:26.646 KNOW THE AGE OF THE USER ON THE 03:40:26.713 --> 03:40:28.448 PLATFORM. AND SO FIGURING OUT 03:40:28.515 --> 03:40:29.583 THE MOST SORT OF PRIVACY 03:40:29.649 --> 03:40:30.684 FORWARD WAY TO DO THAT, THAT 03:40:30.750 --> 03:40:32.452 THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE EVERYONE 03:40:32.519 --> 03:40:34.254 PUTTING THEIR IDS, YOU KNOW, 03:40:34.321 --> 03:40:35.488 UPLOADING THEIR IDS INTO A 03:40:35.555 --> 03:40:36.756 WEBSITE OR ANY OTHER, ALL OTHER 03:40:36.823 --> 03:40:38.491 KINDS OF WAYS OF DOING AGE 03:40:38.558 --> 03:40:39.492 VERIFICATION, I THINK IS 03:40:39.559 --> 03:40:40.627 CRITICAL. THIS SEEMS TO ME THE 03:40:40.694 --> 03:40:41.828 MOST PRIVACY FORWARD WAY. IT'S, 03:40:41.895 --> 03:40:43.730 I CALL IT LIKE THE UPSTREAM WAY, 03:40:43.797 --> 03:40:45.632 WHERE IF THE AGE IS SET AT THE 03:40:45.699 --> 03:40:46.866 OPERATING SYSTEM, IN THE FAMILY 03:40:46.933 --> 03:40:48.501 ACCOUNT, IT'S LOCKED AND LOADED 03:40:48.568 --> 03:40:49.736 IN THAT OPERATING SYSTEM AND 03:40:49.803 --> 03:40:51.571 THAT BECOMES THE AGE. SO ALSO 03:40:51.638 --> 03:40:52.939 THEN KIDS CAN OVERRIDE THE AGE. 03:40:53.006 --> 03:40:55.141 SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S THE MOST 03:40:55.208 --> 03:40:56.543 SENSIBLE WAY. IT'S NOT PERFECT, 03:40:56.610 --> 03:40:58.445 BUT I WILL CONTINUE FOR AS LONG 03:40:58.511 --> 03:41:00.914 AS I'M IN THIS BUILDING TO, TO 03:41:00.981 --> 03:41:02.616 ADDRESS CONCERNS AND CRAFTED IN 03:41:02.682 --> 03:41:03.850 A CERTAIN WAY TO MAKE SURE IT 03:41:03.917 --> 03:41:05.619 ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS THE WAY IT'S 03:41:05.685 --> 03:41:06.653 INTENDED. AND WITH THAT, 03:41:06.720 --> 03:41:07.721 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN AYE 03:41:07.787 --> 03:41:10.490 VOTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A 03:41:10.557 --> 03:41:11.691 MOTION BY SENATOR PADILLA, AND 03:41:11.758 --> 03:41:13.460 THE MOTION IS DO PASS, AS 03:41:13.526 --> 03:41:14.961 AMENDED, TO THE COMMITTEE ON 03:41:15.028 --> 03:41:15.595 APPROPRIATIONS. PLEASE CALL THE 03:41:15.662 --> 03:41:18.098 ROLL. SENATORS. COBALT AND 03:41:18.164 --> 03:41:21.001 COBALT. AYE. CIERTO. GONZALEZ. 03:41:21.067 --> 03:41:22.836 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OCHOA. 03:41:22.902 --> 03:41:25.005 BOGH. PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. 03:41:25.071 --> 03:41:27.574 REYES. UMBERG. WIENER. LUZ 03:41:27.641 --> 03:41:31.244 RIVAS. VOTES 3 TO 0. PASS THAT 03:41:31.311 --> 03:41:33.246 BILL ON CALL AND PROCEED TO 03:41:33.313 --> 03:41:35.815 FILE ITEM 16, WHICH IS A VÆ 03:41:35.882 --> 03:41:36.916 1946 ASSEMBLY MEMBER. WICKS. 03:41:36.983 --> 03:41:38.284 WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK 03:41:38.351 --> 03:41:44.758 YOU, I. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR 03:41:44.824 --> 03:41:47.994 AND MEMBERS. CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE 03:41:48.061 --> 03:41:49.462 MATERIAL KNOWN AS CSAM IS 03:41:49.529 --> 03:41:50.864 PERVASIVE ON THE INTERNET, NOT 03:41:50.930 --> 03:41:52.298 ONLY ON THE DARK WEB, BUT ALSO 03:41:52.365 --> 03:41:53.733 ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WEBSITES AND 03:41:53.800 --> 03:41:54.968 APPLICATIONS TO COMBAT THIS 03:41:55.035 --> 03:41:57.771 GROWING PROBLEM, MY BILL, AB 03:41:57.837 --> 03:41:58.938 1394, WHICH WAS SIGNED INTO LAW 03:41:59.005 --> 03:42:01.007 IN 2023, ESTABLISHED A 03:42:01.074 --> 03:42:02.042 STATUTORY FRAMEWORK THAT 03:42:02.108 --> 03:42:03.009 REQUIRED SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS 03:42:03.076 --> 03:42:04.911 TO PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR 03:42:04.978 --> 03:42:06.579 USERS TO REPORT CSAM, IN WHICH 03:42:06.646 --> 03:42:09.315 THEY WERE DEPICTED. SINCE AB 03:42:09.382 --> 03:42:11.051 1394 HAS BEEN PASSED, WE HAVE 03:42:11.117 --> 03:42:12.152 IDENTIFIED GAPS IN THIS 03:42:12.218 --> 03:42:13.720 EXISTING LAW THAT I BELIEVE 03:42:13.787 --> 03:42:16.956 SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. AB 1946 03:42:17.023 --> 03:42:18.591 AIMS TO ADDRESS THESE GAPS BY 03:42:18.658 --> 03:42:20.427 MAKING THE REPORTING MECHANISM 03:42:20.493 --> 03:42:21.861 WORKABLE FOR USERS AND 03:42:21.928 --> 03:42:22.829 STRENGTHENING THE ENFORCEMENT, 03:42:22.896 --> 03:42:24.030 SO THAT THERE IS MORE 03:42:24.097 --> 03:42:25.832 ACCOUNTABILITY AND COMPLIANCE. 03:42:25.899 --> 03:42:27.967 AB 1946 WILL ALLOW FOR ALL 03:42:28.034 --> 03:42:29.235 USERS, NOT JUST THE USERS WHO 03:42:29.302 --> 03:42:31.604 ARE DEPICTED IN C SAN MATEO TO 03:42:31.671 --> 03:42:33.273 REPORT ALIGN WITH THE FEDERAL 03:42:33.339 --> 03:42:34.908 TAKE IT DOWN ACT, REQUIRE THAT 03:42:34.974 --> 03:42:36.643 THE REPORTING MECHANISM IS 03:42:36.710 --> 03:42:39.179 CLEAR AND DOES NOT USE DARK 03:42:39.245 --> 03:42:40.547 PATTERNS. ENSURE THAT THERE IS 03:42:40.613 --> 03:42:41.648 HUMAN REVIEW WHEN THERE IS NO 03:42:41.715 --> 03:42:43.316 HASH MATCH, AND REQUIRE THAT 03:42:43.383 --> 03:42:44.517 THE BIANNUAL AUDITS BE 03:42:44.584 --> 03:42:45.652 SUBMITTED TO THE ATTORNEY 03:42:45.719 --> 03:42:47.087 GENERAL AND OTHER PUBLIC 03:42:47.153 --> 03:42:48.988 PROSECUTORS IF REQUESTED. I'VE 03:42:49.055 --> 03:42:50.290 HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH 03:42:50.356 --> 03:42:51.758 STAKEHOLDERS TO WORK TO WORK ON 03:42:51.825 --> 03:42:53.560 ENSURING THAT THE TIMELINES IN 03:42:53.626 --> 03:42:54.994 THIS BILL CAN WORK AND WILL BE 03:42:55.061 --> 03:42:56.062 IMPLEMENTED. I'M COMMITTED TO 03:42:56.129 --> 03:42:57.330 CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS 03:42:57.397 --> 03:42:59.699 TO MAKE SURE THE TIMELINES ARE 03:42:59.766 --> 03:43:01.034 ADJUSTED AND ARE ALIGNED, AND I 03:43:01.101 --> 03:43:02.235 KNOW THAT THAT IS WORK. THE 03:43:02.302 --> 03:43:04.104 CHAIR AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THAT 03:43:04.170 --> 03:43:05.271 WILL TAKE PLACE SHOULD THE BILL 03:43:05.338 --> 03:43:07.140 MAKE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE TODAY. 03:43:07.207 --> 03:43:09.075 AND I ALSO WANT TO JUST IN THE 03:43:09.142 --> 03:43:10.243 SPIRIT OF LAST YEAR'S OR THE 03:43:10.310 --> 03:43:12.112 BILL I JUST PRESENTED AS WELL, 03:43:12.178 --> 03:43:13.246 THIS ALSO, AGAIN, IS FOLLOW UP. 03:43:13.313 --> 03:43:15.115 WE MAKE THESE LAWS AND THEN 03:43:15.181 --> 03:43:17.016 THEY GO OUT INTO THE WILD, AND 03:43:17.083 --> 03:43:18.284 THEN WE SEE IF THEY'RE WORKING 03:43:18.351 --> 03:43:20.086 OR NOT WORKING. AND I THINK THE 03:43:20.153 --> 03:43:21.254 WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS 03:43:21.321 --> 03:43:23.123 BILL IS REALLY CRITICAL TO MAKE 03:43:23.189 --> 03:43:24.257 SURE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE 03:43:24.324 --> 03:43:26.159 LAW IS HONORED. AND I HAVE TWO 03:43:26.226 --> 03:43:27.193 WITNESSES HERE WHO WILL 03:43:27.260 --> 03:43:28.228 SELF-IDENTIFY. AND AT THE RIGHT 03:43:28.294 --> 03:43:30.063 TIME, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN 03:43:30.130 --> 03:43:31.297 AYE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME TO 03:43:31.364 --> 03:43:32.999 BOTH WITNESSES. AND YOU WILL 03:43:33.066 --> 03:43:34.934 EACH HAVE TWO MINUTES. GOOD 03:43:35.001 --> 03:43:36.069 AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS NICOLE, 03:43:36.136 --> 03:43:37.637 AND I'M THE MOTHER OF A CHILD 03:43:37.704 --> 03:43:38.638 SEXUAL ABUSE SURVIVOR WHOSE 03:43:38.705 --> 03:43:40.340 ABUSE WAS RECORDED AND HAS BEEN 03:43:40.406 --> 03:43:41.708 WIDELY DISTRIBUTED ON A VARIETY 03:43:41.775 --> 03:43:43.243 OF INTERNET WEBSITES AND SOCIAL 03:43:43.309 --> 03:43:45.411 MEDIA PLATFORMS. I AM HERE 03:43:45.478 --> 03:43:47.580 TODAY IN SUPPORT OF AB 1946, A 03:43:47.647 --> 03:43:48.982 BILL THAT WILL PROVIDE CRITICAL 03:43:49.048 --> 03:43:50.416 UPDATES AND STRENGTHEN 03:43:50.483 --> 03:43:51.851 PROTECTIONS TO EXISTING 03:43:51.918 --> 03:43:52.952 CALIFORNIA LAW THAT REQUIRE 03:43:53.019 --> 03:43:54.387 SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS TO TAKE 03:43:54.454 --> 03:43:55.455 AFFIRMATIVE ACTS TO REMOVE 03:43:55.522 --> 03:43:57.657 CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE MATERIAL 03:43:57.724 --> 03:44:00.160 FROM THEIR PLATFORMS. WHEN THE 03:44:00.226 --> 03:44:01.494 PERPETRATOR IN MY CHILD'S CASE 03:44:01.561 --> 03:44:03.029 WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED, I WAS 03:44:03.096 --> 03:44:04.297 NAIVE ENOUGH TO BE GRATEFUL 03:44:04.364 --> 03:44:05.665 THAT THERE WERE IMAGES PROVING 03:44:05.732 --> 03:44:06.866 WHAT HE HAD DONE SO HE WOULD 03:44:06.933 --> 03:44:08.902 NOT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH IT. 03:44:08.968 --> 03:44:10.703 THE TIME THAT HAS PASSED, I 03:44:10.770 --> 03:44:11.805 HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW THE 03:44:11.871 --> 03:44:12.872 IMAGES THEMSELVES ARE ABUSED, 03:44:12.939 --> 03:44:14.674 AND THAT EVERY TIME THE IMAGES 03:44:14.741 --> 03:44:15.275 ARE DISTRIBUTED, REDISTRIBUTED 03:44:15.341 --> 03:44:17.043 AND VIEWED, THE CHILD IS 03:44:17.110 --> 03:44:18.478 REVICTIMIZED. THE CURRENT 03:44:18.545 --> 03:44:19.946 CALIFORNIA LAW ONLY ALLOWS 03:44:20.013 --> 03:44:21.314 SOMEONE DEPICTED IN THE IMAGES 03:44:21.381 --> 03:44:23.516 TO REQUEST THEIR REMOVAL. THE 03:44:23.583 --> 03:44:24.918 REALITY IS THAT MANY OF THE 03:44:24.984 --> 03:44:26.052 CHILDREN BEING DEPICTED ARE 03:44:26.119 --> 03:44:27.487 BELOW THE ALLOWABLE AGE. TO 03:44:27.554 --> 03:44:28.955 EVEN BE INTERACTING ON THESE 03:44:29.022 --> 03:44:30.323 SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS IN THE 03:44:30.390 --> 03:44:32.192 FIRST PLACE. BY ALLOWING ANYONE 03:44:32.258 --> 03:44:33.626 TO REPORT THESE IMAGES, YOU ARE 03:44:33.693 --> 03:44:35.028 TAKING THE RESPONSIBILITY OFF 03:44:35.094 --> 03:44:35.895 CHILDREN AND GIVING IT BACK TO 03:44:35.962 --> 03:44:39.399 THE ADULTS IN SOCIETY. AB 1946 03:44:39.465 --> 03:44:41.201 ALSO PREVENTS FURTHER 03:44:41.267 --> 03:44:42.268 REVICTIMIZATION BY UTILIZING 03:44:42.335 --> 03:44:44.070 THE EXISTING HASH DATA 03:44:44.137 --> 03:44:45.905 MECHANISM FOR KNOWN CSAM AND 03:44:45.972 --> 03:44:47.674 REQUIRING HUMAN REVIEW ONLY IN 03:44:47.740 --> 03:44:48.808 CASES WHERE THE IMAGES DO NOT 03:44:48.875 --> 03:44:50.910 MATCH A HASH VALUE OF KNOWN 03:44:50.977 --> 03:44:52.745 CSAM AND WOULD NOT BE OTHERWISE 03:44:52.812 --> 03:44:54.113 REMOVED. IMAGINE THE WORST 03:44:54.180 --> 03:44:55.481 THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED TO 03:44:55.548 --> 03:44:56.616 YOU BEING RECORDED AND SHARED 03:44:56.683 --> 03:44:58.418 OUT INTO THE WORLD WITHOUT YOUR 03:44:58.484 --> 03:44:59.485 CONSENT. WOULDN'T YOU WANT AS 03:44:59.552 --> 03:45:00.620 FEW PEOPLE TO SEE THAT AS 03:45:00.687 --> 03:45:02.422 POSSIBLE? THIS BILL DOES THAT 03:45:02.488 --> 03:45:04.624 FOR CSAM SURVIVORS. SURVIVORS 03:45:04.691 --> 03:45:05.692 NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THEIR 03:45:05.758 --> 03:45:07.060 REMEDIES UNDER THE LAW 03:45:07.126 --> 03:45:08.228 AVAILABLE SO THAT THEY CAN 03:45:08.294 --> 03:45:09.362 DECIDE WHEN, WHERE AND HOW TO 03:45:09.429 --> 03:45:11.097 SEEK JUSTICE AGAINST THEIR 03:45:11.164 --> 03:45:12.599 PERPETRATORS. CHILDREN WHO HAVE 03:45:12.665 --> 03:45:13.700 ALREADY BEEN VICTIMIZED SHOULD 03:45:13.766 --> 03:45:15.301 NOT BE BEAR THE LEGAL BURDEN OF 03:45:15.368 --> 03:45:16.569 COMPELLING PLATFORMS TO COMPLY 03:45:16.636 --> 03:45:18.238 WITH THE LAW. THAT 03:45:18.304 --> 03:45:19.339 RESPONSIBILITY BELONGS WITH THE 03:45:19.405 --> 03:45:22.208 STATE. AB 1946 EMPOWERS THE 03:45:22.275 --> 03:45:23.676 CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL, 03:45:23.743 --> 03:45:25.812 STATE PROSECUTORS AND LOCAL 03:45:25.879 --> 03:45:26.913 PROSECUTORS TO USE THEIR 03:45:26.980 --> 03:45:28.348 RESOURCES TO PURSUE JUSTICE ON 03:45:28.414 --> 03:45:29.482 BEHALF OF THESE CHILDREN AND 03:45:29.549 --> 03:45:31.584 THEIR FAMILIES. THIS BILL IS 03:45:31.651 --> 03:45:33.219 ABOUT THE SAFETY AS KIDS, AND 03:45:33.286 --> 03:45:34.387 THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT 03:45:34.454 --> 03:45:35.922 THAN PROTECTING THEM. I KNOW I 03:45:35.989 --> 03:45:37.223 ALONE COULD NOT HAVE PROTECTED 03:45:37.290 --> 03:45:38.825 MY CHILD. WE NEED HELP AND WE 03:45:38.892 --> 03:45:40.393 NEED NEW LAWS TO KEEP CHILDREN 03:45:40.460 --> 03:45:41.995 SAFE ONLINE. I URGE THIS 03:45:42.061 --> 03:45:43.463 COMMITTEE TO FOLLOW THE LEAD OF 03:45:43.529 --> 03:45:44.631 THE ASSEMBLY AND MOVE FORWARD 03:45:44.697 --> 03:45:46.633 WITH AB 1946, TO HELP ENSURE 03:45:46.699 --> 03:45:47.834 THAT EVERY CHILDHOOD HAS THE 03:45:47.901 --> 03:45:49.202 SAFE CHILDHOOD THAT THEY 03:45:49.269 --> 03:45:52.138 DESERVE. THANK YOU, MR. 03:45:52.205 --> 03:45:53.172 CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS AT HOWARD 03:45:53.239 --> 03:45:54.741 UNIVERSITY OF SAN DIEGO SCHOOL 03:45:54.807 --> 03:45:55.742 OF LAW'S CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY 03:45:55.808 --> 03:45:57.844 INSTITUTE, WITH GRATITUDE FOR. 03:45:57.911 --> 03:45:59.646 FIRST FOR WHAT I THINK IS A 03:45:59.712 --> 03:46:01.848 SUPERB AND PROPERLY UNFLINCHING 03:46:01.915 --> 03:46:04.350 ANALYSIS AND MINDFUL THAT THE 03:46:04.417 --> 03:46:05.351 COMPANIES THAT WE'RE TALKING 03:46:05.418 --> 03:46:06.886 ABOUT HERE ARE THE WORLD'S 03:46:06.953 --> 03:46:08.321 EXPERTS IN USER INTERFACING. 03:46:08.388 --> 03:46:09.756 I'D LIKE TO MAKE FOUR BRIEF 03:46:09.822 --> 03:46:12.592 POINTS, IF I MAY. THE FIRST IS 03:46:12.659 --> 03:46:15.161 THAT META'S FORMER HEAD OF 03:46:15.228 --> 03:46:18.765 WELLBEING HIMSELF TESTIFIED 03:46:18.831 --> 03:46:20.433 UNDER OATH FOR THE NEED FOR 03:46:20.500 --> 03:46:21.668 THIS BILL WHEN HE TESTIFIED, 03:46:21.734 --> 03:46:23.403 QUOTE, META MADE ITS REPORTING 03:46:23.469 --> 03:46:25.972 FLOW INTENTIONALLY COMPLICATED 03:46:26.039 --> 03:46:27.674 TO REDUCE REPORTS THAT IT HAD 03:46:27.740 --> 03:46:29.175 TO LOOK AT, END QUOTE, THE 03:46:29.242 --> 03:46:31.344 RESULT BEING THAT ONLY 1% OF 03:46:31.411 --> 03:46:33.146 PEOPLE WHO BEGAN REPORTING 03:46:33.212 --> 03:46:34.514 UNDER INSTAGRAM MATERIAL, SUCH 03:46:34.580 --> 03:46:35.815 AS THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 03:46:35.882 --> 03:46:37.784 TODAY, ACTUALLY COMPLETED AND 03:46:37.850 --> 03:46:40.353 REPORT. THIS GENTLEMAN ALSO 03:46:40.420 --> 03:46:41.888 TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THAT META 03:46:41.955 --> 03:46:45.058 HAD A 17 TIMES POLICY FOR, 03:46:45.124 --> 03:46:47.193 QUOTE, TRAFFICKING HUMANS FOR 03:46:47.260 --> 03:46:48.995 SEX. WHAT THAT MEANT IS THAT AN 03:46:49.062 --> 03:46:50.797 ACCOUNT HAD TO BE VERIFIED AS 03:46:50.863 --> 03:46:52.598 RELAYING HUMAN SEX TRAFFICKING 03:46:52.665 --> 03:46:53.399 INFORMATION. NOT ONCE, NOT 03:46:53.466 --> 03:46:54.500 TWICE, NOT THREE TIMES, BLAH, 03:46:54.567 --> 03:46:56.869 BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT 16 03:46:56.936 --> 03:46:58.338 INDIVIDUAL SEPARATE TIMES 03:46:58.404 --> 03:47:00.173 BEFORE THAT ACCOUNT WOULD BE 03:47:00.239 --> 03:47:02.642 SUSPENDED. SECOND, OUR REPORT, 03:47:02.709 --> 03:47:05.511 CRUELTY BY DESIGN, AS EXPLAINED 03:47:05.578 --> 03:47:07.347 ABLY IN YOUR ANALYSIS ON PAGE 03:47:07.413 --> 03:47:09.148 12, LIKEWISE DOCUMENTED THESE 03:47:09.215 --> 03:47:12.352 EVENTS AFTER THE IMPLEMENTATION 03:47:12.418 --> 03:47:15.288 OF AB 1394. AND AS YOUR 03:47:15.355 --> 03:47:16.389 ANALYSIS CORRECTLY POINTS OUT, 03:47:16.456 --> 03:47:18.524 WE FOUND MULTIPLE CONFUSING 03:47:18.591 --> 03:47:21.361 STEPS, VAGUE MISLEADING ASPECTS, 03:47:21.427 --> 03:47:23.563 HIDDEN LANGUAGE, AND COMPLETE 03:47:23.629 --> 03:47:24.664 INACCESSIBILITY. AS A PRACTICAL 03:47:24.731 --> 03:47:26.466 MATTER FOR MOBILE USERS WHO ARE 03:47:26.532 --> 03:47:28.267 DISPROPORTIONATELY CHILDREN. 03:47:28.334 --> 03:47:29.635 THIRD IS THE ANALYSIS ALSO 03:47:29.702 --> 03:47:30.803 CORRECTLY POINTS OUT, THIS BILL 03:47:30.870 --> 03:47:32.605 IS MORE URGENT THAN IT WAS WHEN 03:47:32.672 --> 03:47:34.407 IT WAS ORIGINALLY ENACTED IN 03:47:34.474 --> 03:47:36.009 JUST THE LAST FEW YEARS. AS 03:47:36.075 --> 03:47:37.243 YOUR ANALYSIS POINTS OUT, THERE 03:47:37.310 --> 03:47:42.281 HAS BEEN A 1,325% INCREASE IN 03:47:42.348 --> 03:47:45.485 AI, CSAM MATERIAL USED THAT IS 03:47:45.551 --> 03:47:47.320 PREVALENT ON THE INTERNET. AND 03:47:47.387 --> 03:47:49.856 THEN FINALLY, THESE PLATFORMS 03:47:49.922 --> 03:47:52.158 DO KNOW HOW TO CATCH MATERIAL 03:47:52.225 --> 03:47:53.993 AND BLOCK IT THAT THEY DO NOT 03:47:54.060 --> 03:47:55.595 WANT ON THEIR PLATFORMS. IF 03:47:55.661 --> 03:47:57.397 ANYONE HERE HAS EVER TRIED TO 03:47:57.463 --> 03:48:00.299 UPLOAD A COPYRIGHTED SONG TO 03:48:00.366 --> 03:48:02.135 YOUTUBE, YOU KNOW THAT IS A THE 03:48:02.201 --> 03:48:03.836 CHAIR IS SITTING FORWARD 03:48:03.903 --> 03:48:04.937 RECOGNIZING THAT I'M OUT OF 03:48:05.004 --> 03:48:07.573 TIME. SO I WILL CLOSE IN HONOR 03:48:07.640 --> 03:48:09.275 OF THE SURVIVORS WHOSE AVERAGE 03:48:09.342 --> 03:48:12.412 AGE OVER 90% IS BETWEEN 3 AND 03:48:12.478 --> 03:48:14.180 13. AND RESPECTFULLY, THANK YOU 03:48:14.247 --> 03:48:17.116 FOR YOUR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU 03:48:17.183 --> 03:48:18.751 TO BOTH WITNESSES. DOES ANYONE 03:48:18.818 --> 03:48:20.053 WISH TO REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT 03:48:20.119 --> 03:48:21.554 FOR THE BILL? IF SO, PLEASE 03:48:21.621 --> 03:48:22.989 COME FORWARD. SHARE WITH US 03:48:23.056 --> 03:48:24.757 YOUR NAME, AFFILIATION, AND 03:48:24.824 --> 03:48:27.260 POSITION. OLIVIA HERRERA, ON 03:48:27.326 --> 03:48:28.327 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 03:48:28.394 --> 03:48:29.796 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION 03:48:29.862 --> 03:48:34.100 IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. ABBY 03:48:34.167 --> 03:48:36.636 COPELAND IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL, 03:48:36.702 --> 03:48:39.505 BUT ALSO REPRESENTING A 03:48:39.572 --> 03:48:40.573 COALITION SUPPORT LETTER ON 03:48:40.640 --> 03:48:42.008 BEHALF OF THREE STRANDS GLOBAL 03:48:42.075 --> 03:48:43.476 FOUNDATION AND MANY 03:48:43.543 --> 03:48:44.477 ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE SIGNED 03:48:44.544 --> 03:48:46.712 ON IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL IN 03:48:46.779 --> 03:48:47.947 SUPPORT OF THE BILL ARE FOLSOM 03:48:48.014 --> 03:48:49.949 WEALTH ADVISORS, PAVING THE WAY 03:48:50.016 --> 03:48:51.417 FOUNDATION, HEALTHIER TECH 03:48:51.484 --> 03:48:52.852 INCORPORATED, SHARED HOPE 03:48:52.919 --> 03:48:54.387 INTERNATIONAL RIGHTS FOR GIRLS. 03:48:54.454 --> 03:48:56.055 YOU CAN STOP HUMAN TRAFFICKING 03:48:56.122 --> 03:48:57.857 AND DOX CONTENT REMOVAL. 03:48:57.924 --> 03:48:59.659 CALIFORNIA SURVIVOR COALITION 03:48:59.725 --> 03:49:01.494 PROTECT ALL CHILDREN FROM 03:49:01.561 --> 03:49:02.595 TRAFFICKING, TRAFFICKING LAW 03:49:02.662 --> 03:49:04.697 CENTER, AND WORLD WITHOUT 03:49:04.764 --> 03:49:05.698 EXPLOITATION. IF THE COMMITTEE 03:49:05.765 --> 03:49:06.899 WOULD LIKE A HARD COPY OF THE 03:49:06.966 --> 03:49:08.768 LETTER, I HAVE ONE HERE, BUT 03:49:08.835 --> 03:49:09.969 IT'S ALSO BEEN UPLOADED. THANK 03:49:10.036 --> 03:49:17.710 YOU, THANK YOU. A MOTHER OF 03:49:17.777 --> 03:49:19.479 FIVE AND MEMBER OF THREE 03:49:19.545 --> 03:49:20.513 STRANDS GLOBAL FOUNDATION, 03:49:20.580 --> 03:49:21.914 SURVIVOR ADVISORY BOARD AND 03:49:21.981 --> 03:49:28.121 STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. HØI 03:49:28.187 --> 03:49:30.990 PATEL, AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF 03:49:31.057 --> 03:49:33.159 THREE STRANDS VOLUNTEER TEAM, 03:49:33.226 --> 03:49:37.864 WE FULLY SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 03:49:37.930 --> 03:49:39.232 CHRISTINA CAVANAUGH, LONG TIME 03:49:39.298 --> 03:49:41.400 SHAREHOLDER, INTERNATIONAL 03:49:41.467 --> 03:49:43.603 VOLUNTEER AND ALSO UC SAN 03:49:43.669 --> 03:49:44.670 FRANCISCO CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, 03:49:44.737 --> 03:49:46.472 UC BERKELEY AND WEST CONTRA 03:49:46.539 --> 03:49:48.307 COSTA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT 03:49:48.374 --> 03:49:50.176 RETIREE AND VOLUNTEER AND VERY 03:49:50.243 --> 03:49:51.511 STRONG SUPPORT. THANK YOU. 03:49:51.577 --> 03:49:55.281 THANK YOU. ARE THERE WITNESSES 03:49:55.348 --> 03:50:00.553 IN OPPOSITION TO THE BILL? IF 03:50:00.620 --> 03:50:01.754 SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE 03:50:01.821 --> 03:50:04.957 WITNESS TABLE. YOU WILL HAVE 03:50:05.024 --> 03:50:11.998 TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. 03:50:12.064 --> 03:50:13.799 CHAIR. AND SENATORS DYLAN 03:50:13.866 --> 03:50:15.601 HOFFMAN ON BEHALF OF TECHNET, 03:50:15.668 --> 03:50:17.103 I'M ALSO REPRESENTING MY 03:50:17.170 --> 03:50:18.504 COLLEAGUES AT THE COMPUTER 03:50:18.571 --> 03:50:19.572 COMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY 03:50:19.639 --> 03:50:20.306 ASSOCIATION AND THE CALIFORNIA 03:50:20.373 --> 03:50:21.741 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WE 03:50:21.807 --> 03:50:23.142 SUBMITTED A LETTER OF CONCERNS 03:50:23.209 --> 03:50:24.343 AND WANT TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT A 03:50:24.410 --> 03:50:26.078 FEW THINGS FROM THAT LETTER. 03:50:26.145 --> 03:50:27.380 FIRST OFF, OUR COALITION AND 03:50:27.446 --> 03:50:28.581 OUR MEMBER COMPANIES STRONGLY 03:50:28.648 --> 03:50:30.383 SUPPORT THE AUTHOR'S EFFORTS TO 03:50:30.449 --> 03:50:31.851 ERADICATE ONLINE SEX 03:50:31.918 --> 03:50:32.785 TRAFFICKING, THE DISTRIBUTION 03:50:32.852 --> 03:50:35.621 OF CSAM AND NCII OUR COMMITMENT 03:50:35.688 --> 03:50:36.856 AND OUR MEMBER COMPANIES 03:50:36.923 --> 03:50:38.291 COMMITMENT TO FIGHTING BACK 03:50:38.357 --> 03:50:39.759 AGAINST SEXUAL PREDATORS IS AND 03:50:39.825 --> 03:50:41.527 HAS ALWAYS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR. 03:50:41.594 --> 03:50:43.029 THE INTERNET AND ANY PLATFORMS 03:50:43.095 --> 03:50:44.430 ON IT SHOULD NOT BE A SAFE 03:50:44.497 --> 03:50:45.865 HAVEN FOR THESE ACTIVITIES AND 03:50:45.932 --> 03:50:47.166 CRIMINALS SHOULD BE PROSECUTED 03:50:47.233 --> 03:50:48.367 TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE 03:50:48.434 --> 03:50:49.702 LAW. OUR INDUSTRY HAS BEEN AT 03:50:49.769 --> 03:50:51.571 THE FOREFRONT OF THIS FIGHT FOR 03:50:51.637 --> 03:50:53.072 DECADES, AND WE ARE ACTIVE 03:50:53.139 --> 03:50:54.173 PARTICIPANTS IN CONVERSATIONS 03:50:54.240 --> 03:50:55.942 WITH THE AUTHOR IN 2023 03:50:56.008 --> 03:50:56.943 REGARDING THE FIRST ITERATION 03:50:57.009 --> 03:51:00.279 OF THIS BILL, AB 1394, WE HAVE 03:51:00.346 --> 03:51:01.480 HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH 03:51:01.547 --> 03:51:02.682 THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE AND ARE 03:51:02.748 --> 03:51:03.783 WORKING TOWARDS OUR COMMON GOAL 03:51:03.849 --> 03:51:05.318 TO ADDRESS GAPS IN THE EXISTING 03:51:05.384 --> 03:51:07.186 LAW. I JUST WANT TO SAY WE'RE 03:51:07.253 --> 03:51:09.021 NOT AN ADVERSARY IN THIS FIGHT. 03:51:09.088 --> 03:51:10.289 WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER, AND 03:51:10.356 --> 03:51:12.091 OUR COMPANIES HAVE A WEALTH OF 03:51:12.158 --> 03:51:13.192 KNOWLEDGE TO DRAW UPON. OUR 03:51:13.259 --> 03:51:14.126 LETTER HIGHLIGHTS A FEW 03:51:14.193 --> 03:51:15.294 CONCERNS THAT WARRANT FURTHER 03:51:15.361 --> 03:51:16.295 DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION. 03:51:16.362 --> 03:51:18.030 JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE. 03:51:18.097 --> 03:51:19.031 VERY BRIEFLY, WE'VE DISCUSSED 03:51:19.098 --> 03:51:20.132 WITH THE AUTHOR'S OFFICE THAT 03:51:20.199 --> 03:51:21.234 CHANGES TO THE COMPLIANCE 03:51:21.300 --> 03:51:22.235 TIMELINE FROM 30 DAYS TO 48 03:51:22.301 --> 03:51:24.403 HOURS NEEDS SOME REFINEMENT. 03:51:24.470 --> 03:51:26.205 JUST AS A VERY QUICK EXAMPLE, 03:51:26.272 --> 03:51:27.506 SECTION F REQUIRES PLATFORMS TO 03:51:27.573 --> 03:51:29.108 SEND A STATUS UPDATE SEVEN DAYS 03:51:29.175 --> 03:51:30.476 AFTER THE REPORT HAS BEEN 03:51:30.543 --> 03:51:33.379 SUBMITTED, BUT H REQUIRES 03:51:33.446 --> 03:51:34.380 COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION F 03:51:34.447 --> 03:51:36.616 WITHIN 48 HOURS. APPRECIATE THE 03:51:36.682 --> 03:51:37.483 COMMITMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE 03:51:37.550 --> 03:51:39.151 AND THE AUTHOR TO CONTINUE 03:51:39.218 --> 03:51:40.720 THOSE CONVERSATIONS, TO RESOLVE 03:51:40.786 --> 03:51:42.054 THAT AND PLAN TO BE A PART OF 03:51:42.121 --> 03:51:43.656 THOSE. ADDITIONALLY, WE BELIEVE 03:51:43.723 --> 03:51:44.824 THE PENALTIES FOR NONCOMPLIANCE 03:51:44.890 --> 03:51:46.058 IN THIS BILL SHOULD BE BETTER 03:51:46.125 --> 03:51:47.760 TARGETED TO SCOFFLAW PLATFORMS 03:51:47.827 --> 03:51:48.527 RATHER THAN THOSE WHO ARE 03:51:48.594 --> 03:51:50.162 ATTEMPTING TO COMPLY IN GOOD 03:51:50.229 --> 03:51:51.564 FAITH. AGAIN, WANT TO EXPRESS 03:51:51.631 --> 03:51:52.832 OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE 03:51:52.898 --> 03:51:53.666 ASSEMBLYMEMBER'S TIRELESS WORK 03:51:53.733 --> 03:51:54.867 ON THIS ISSUE? LOOK FORWARD TO 03:51:54.934 --> 03:51:55.935 MORE CONVERSATIONS IN THE 03:51:56.002 --> 03:51:57.570 COMING WEEKS TO RESOLVE THESE 03:51:57.637 --> 03:51:58.738 ISSUES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 03:51:58.804 --> 03:51:59.839 THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE 03:51:59.905 --> 03:52:01.140 WISH TO REGISTER OPPOSITION TO 03:52:01.207 --> 03:52:04.710 THE BILL? SEEING NONE, LET'S 03:52:04.777 --> 03:52:06.045 TURN IT TO THE COMMITTEE FOR 03:52:06.112 --> 03:52:08.614 QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION. 03:52:08.681 --> 03:52:12.385 SENATOR MCNERNEY. WELL, I THANK 03:52:12.451 --> 03:52:14.453 THE AUTHOR FOR THIS AND FOR 03:52:14.520 --> 03:52:16.555 CONTINUING. I MEAN, THIS THE 03:52:16.622 --> 03:52:18.024 INTERNET'S EVOLVING AND THE 03:52:18.090 --> 03:52:19.425 TECHNOLOGY IS EVOLVING. SO IT'S 03:52:19.492 --> 03:52:21.294 JUST IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE A 03:52:21.360 --> 03:52:23.329 CONTINUOUS EFFORT ON OUR BEHALF 03:52:23.396 --> 03:52:25.931 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP 03:52:25.998 --> 03:52:27.767 CLOSING THOSE NEW HOLES AS THEY 03:52:27.833 --> 03:52:29.902 OPEN UP. AND I DO APPRECIATE 03:52:29.969 --> 03:52:32.171 THAT THE OPPOSITION REALLY LAID 03:52:32.238 --> 03:52:34.573 OUT SOME SPECIFIC IDEAS TO 03:52:34.640 --> 03:52:36.375 IMPROVE, AND I HOPE THOSE ARE 03:52:36.442 --> 03:52:37.843 WORTHWHILE AND TAKEN INTO 03:52:37.910 --> 03:52:38.911 CONSIDERATION. I HAVE A 03:52:38.978 --> 03:52:42.481 QUESTION. HOW DOES SECTION 230 03:52:42.548 --> 03:52:44.016 PLAY INTO THIS? ARE THEY ARE 03:52:44.083 --> 03:52:45.885 THEY HIDING BEHIND SECTION 230? 03:52:45.951 --> 03:52:47.186 I KNOW THE SECTION TWO THREE 03:52:47.253 --> 03:52:51.157 DOES DOES HAVE EXCLUSIONS FOR 03:52:51.223 --> 03:52:52.692 SEXUAL CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE. BUT 03:52:52.758 --> 03:52:54.794 I THINK I HAVE A FEELING THAT 03:52:54.860 --> 03:52:56.595 THEY'RE FINDING WAYS TO USE 03:52:56.662 --> 03:52:57.930 SECTION THREE TO PROTECT 03:52:57.997 --> 03:53:00.533 THEMSELVES. WELL, THIS IS A 03:53:00.599 --> 03:53:03.469 LEGAL CONTENT, YOU KNOW. AND SO 03:53:03.536 --> 03:53:05.171 IT IS NOT PROTECTED BY SECTION 03:53:05.237 --> 03:53:06.472 230. I DON'T KNOW IF MR. HOWARD 03:53:06.539 --> 03:53:09.508 WANTS TO IF THE IF THE CHAIR 03:53:09.575 --> 03:53:26.258 ALLOWS FOR. IT TO SPEAK TO THIS 03:53:26.325 --> 03:53:29.261 AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, 03:53:29.328 --> 03:53:35.434 MR. CHAIR. HELPS IMPROVE UPON 03:53:35.501 --> 03:53:37.636 IS IT CAN REQUIRE PLATFORMS TO 03:53:37.703 --> 03:53:39.772 HAVE A REPORTING MECHANISM TO 03:53:39.839 --> 03:53:42.308 TAKE THESE REPORTS FROM 03:53:42.375 --> 03:53:43.709 SURVIVORS, AND IT CAN REQUIRE 03:53:43.776 --> 03:53:46.579 THAT THE PLATFORMS RESPOND ON A 03:53:46.645 --> 03:53:47.847 PARTICULAR TIME TABLE AND WITH 03:53:47.913 --> 03:53:50.549 A PARTICULAR CONTENT THAT 03:53:50.616 --> 03:53:52.385 HONORS THESE PEOPLE. BUT 03:53:52.451 --> 03:53:53.586 REGRETTABLY, WE CANNOT REQUIRE 03:53:53.652 --> 03:53:56.288 THEM TO TAKE IT DOWN. I WILL 03:53:56.355 --> 03:53:58.057 ALSO ADD, IF I MAY, THROUGH THE 03:53:58.124 --> 03:53:59.558 CHAIR, THAT THE FEDERAL LAW 03:53:59.625 --> 03:54:01.060 TAKE IT DOWN ACT, WHICH, 03:54:01.127 --> 03:54:02.828 BECAUSE IT'S A FEDERAL LAW, CAN 03:54:02.895 --> 03:54:05.331 AMEND SECTION 230, IT CAN GO 03:54:05.398 --> 03:54:07.500 FURTHER. BUT OUR PRELIMINARY 03:54:07.566 --> 03:54:08.234 ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT 03:54:08.300 --> 03:54:09.435 THE PLATFORMS ARE COMPLYING 03:54:09.502 --> 03:54:11.804 WITH THAT FEDERAL LAW IS 03:54:11.871 --> 03:54:13.105 PROVING SO FAR THAT THEY ARE 03:54:13.172 --> 03:54:14.273 NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT ONE 03:54:14.340 --> 03:54:18.444 EITHER. I YIELD TO THE CHAIR. 03:54:18.511 --> 03:54:20.379 ALL RIGHT. FURTHER QUESTIONS OR 03:54:20.446 --> 03:54:25.184 DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. I AGREE 03:54:25.251 --> 03:54:27.253 IT'S A GOOD BILL. THE 03:54:27.319 --> 03:54:28.687 MISCHIEVOUS PART OF ME WANTS TO 03:54:28.754 --> 03:54:30.956 JUST SIMPLY NOTE THAT THE ONLY 03:54:31.023 --> 03:54:32.291 REASON WHY THE BILL CAN 03:54:32.358 --> 03:54:33.492 FUNCTION IN THE TIMELINES THAT 03:54:33.559 --> 03:54:35.628 ARE ANTICIPATED IS BECAUSE THE 03:54:35.694 --> 03:54:37.663 USE OF THE HASH TECHNOLOGY TO 03:54:37.730 --> 03:54:39.498 ENGAGE IN AUTOMATED DECISION 03:54:39.565 --> 03:54:41.967 SYSTEM. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY 03:54:42.034 --> 03:54:44.170 THAT 48 HOURS OR EVEN THE THE 03:54:44.236 --> 03:54:45.638 TIMELINE THAT WAS IN THE BILL, 03:54:45.704 --> 03:54:46.739 IN THE BILL PREVIOUSLY WAS 03:54:46.806 --> 03:54:48.174 POSSIBLE. AND SO I'M 03:54:48.240 --> 03:54:49.542 HIGHLIGHTING IT JUST BECAUSE WE 03:54:49.608 --> 03:54:51.010 HAVE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT 03:54:51.076 --> 03:54:52.478 AUTOMATED DECISION SYSTEMS AND, 03:54:52.545 --> 03:54:53.879 AND WHETHER THEY ARE 03:54:53.946 --> 03:54:55.014 FUNDAMENTALLY MORALLY EVIL. AND 03:54:55.080 --> 03:54:56.782 THIS IS A GOOD I THINK A GOOD 03:54:56.849 --> 03:54:58.551 EXAMPLE OF WHERE THEY ARE 03:54:58.617 --> 03:54:59.752 ESSENTIAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO 03:54:59.819 --> 03:55:01.854 PROVIDE THE KINDS OF RAPID 03:55:01.921 --> 03:55:03.656 TURNAROUND AND RESPONSE USING 03:55:03.722 --> 03:55:04.990 THE HASH TECHNOLOGY IN THIS 03:55:05.057 --> 03:55:06.158 CASE, TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE 03:55:06.225 --> 03:55:08.060 THEY HAVE HIGH FIDELITY TO TO 03:55:08.127 --> 03:55:09.595 WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, 03:55:09.662 --> 03:55:11.564 BUT SO THAT THE, THE KINDS OF, 03:55:11.630 --> 03:55:14.433 OF REMEDIES THAT THE WITNESS IN 03:55:14.500 --> 03:55:15.868 PARTICULAR HIGHLIGHTED CAN BE 03:55:15.935 --> 03:55:17.703 ACCOMPLISHED IN A TIMELY AND 03:55:17.770 --> 03:55:19.038 TIMELY WAY. SO ANYWAY, THANK 03:55:19.104 --> 03:55:20.239 YOU. THANKS TO THE AUTHOR FOR 03:55:20.306 --> 03:55:22.041 THE. I ALSO HAVE A SUPPORT 03:55:22.107 --> 03:55:23.108 RECOMMENDATION ON THE BILL AND 03:55:23.175 --> 03:55:24.310 LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING FOR IT. 03:55:24.376 --> 03:55:26.245 AND WE HAVE A MOTION BY SENATOR 03:55:26.312 --> 03:55:27.246 PADILLA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO 03:55:27.313 --> 03:55:29.014 CLOSE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, 03:55:29.081 --> 03:55:30.249 AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. 03:55:30.316 --> 03:55:32.017 OUR GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE SURE 03:55:32.084 --> 03:55:33.118 THAT NICOLE AND OTHERS LIKE 03:55:33.185 --> 03:55:34.253 NICOLE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK 03:55:34.320 --> 03:55:36.021 TO THIS COMMITTEE EVER AGAIN 03:55:36.088 --> 03:55:37.056 AND MAKE SUCH TESTIMONY, 03:55:37.122 --> 03:55:38.157 BECAUSE WE WANT TO FIX THE 03:55:38.224 --> 03:55:39.225 PROBLEM. AND WITH THAT, 03:55:39.291 --> 03:55:40.226 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR AN AYE 03:55:40.292 --> 03:55:42.127 VOTE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S CALL THE 03:55:42.194 --> 03:55:45.030 ROLL. MOTION IS DUE PASSED TO 03:55:45.097 --> 03:55:46.866 JUDICIARY. SENATORS. CABALDON 03:55:46.932 --> 03:55:49.301 CABALDON I CIERTO. GONZALEZ. 03:55:49.368 --> 03:55:52.238 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OKUBO. 03:55:52.304 --> 03:55:55.140 PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. REYES. 03:55:55.207 --> 03:55:58.711 REYES. AYE. UMBERG. WIENER. 03:55:58.777 --> 03:56:01.347 ZERO 4 TO 0. WILL PLACE THAT 03:56:01.413 --> 03:56:03.782 MEASURE ON CALL. WE'RE GOING TO 03:56:03.849 --> 03:56:06.252 PROCEED NEXT TO FILE ITEM 13 BY 03:56:06.318 --> 03:56:07.686 ASSEMBLYMEMBER PETRIE-NORRIS. 03:56:07.753 --> 03:56:09.588 THIS IS OUR FINAL BILL OF THE 03:56:09.655 --> 03:56:12.324 DAY. SO FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE 03:56:12.391 --> 03:56:14.927 COMMITTEE OR STAFF THAT ARE 03:56:14.994 --> 03:56:15.995 WATCHING OR LISTENING TO THE 03:56:16.061 --> 03:56:17.029 HEARING, THIS WOULD BE AN 03:56:17.096 --> 03:56:18.931 APPROPRIATE TIME TO COME TO THE 03:56:18.998 --> 03:56:20.032 HEARING ROOM BECAUSE WE WILL 03:56:20.099 --> 03:56:21.367 LIFT CALLS IMMEDIATELY UPON 03:56:21.433 --> 03:56:22.434 CONCLUSION OF THIS BILL. 03:56:22.501 --> 03:56:23.536 ASSEMBLYMEMBER PETRIE-NORRIS, 03:56:23.602 --> 03:56:25.337 WELCOME AND PROCEED WHEN YOU'RE 03:56:25.404 --> 03:56:27.172 READY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, 03:56:27.239 --> 03:56:29.608 MR. CHAIR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON, 03:56:29.675 --> 03:56:31.310 COMMITTEE MEMBERS. PLEASED TO 03:56:31.377 --> 03:56:34.747 JOIN YOU TODAY TO PRESENT AB 03:56:34.813 --> 03:56:40.452 2656. AI TOOLS AND TECHNOLOGIES 03:56:40.519 --> 03:56:42.588 ARE EVOLVING QUICKLY AND 03:56:42.655 --> 03:56:44.056 RAPIDLY, TRANSFORMING THE WAY 03:56:44.123 --> 03:56:46.926 THAT WE LIVE, WORK AND PLAY. I 03:56:46.992 --> 03:56:49.828 FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT NAVIGATING 03:56:49.895 --> 03:56:52.798 THE WAYS IN WHICH THESE TOOLS 03:56:52.865 --> 03:56:55.234 ARE IMPACTING SOCIETY AND OUR 03:56:55.301 --> 03:56:57.002 WORKPLACES, SOME OF THE MOST 03:56:57.069 --> 03:56:58.304 CHALLENGING WORK THAT WE HAVE 03:56:58.370 --> 03:56:59.905 BEFORE US IN THE COMING YEARS 03:56:59.972 --> 03:57:03.542 AS POLICY MAKERS AND AB 2656 IS 03:57:03.609 --> 03:57:06.745 A NARROW, BUT I THINK, 03:57:06.812 --> 03:57:08.581 IMPORTANT PART OF AN OVERALL 03:57:08.647 --> 03:57:11.050 POLICY APPROACH TO THOSE 03:57:11.116 --> 03:57:12.051 CHALLENGES. THE BILL ENSURES 03:57:12.117 --> 03:57:13.953 THAT PUBLIC EMPLOYEE 03:57:14.019 --> 03:57:15.354 ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVE ADVANCE 03:57:15.421 --> 03:57:17.890 NOTICE OF THE PROPOSED USE OF 03:57:17.957 --> 03:57:19.725 GENERATIVE AI, SO THAT THEY ARE 03:57:19.792 --> 03:57:20.793 AFFORDED A MEANINGFUL 03:57:20.859 --> 03:57:22.561 OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT ON 03:57:22.628 --> 03:57:23.996 THE DEVELOPMENT, INTRODUCTION, 03:57:24.063 --> 03:57:26.599 AND USE OF THESE AI TOOLS IN 03:57:26.665 --> 03:57:29.435 THE WORKPLACE. THESE TOOLS CAN 03:57:29.501 --> 03:57:30.836 SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT JOB DUTIES, 03:57:30.903 --> 03:57:32.237 PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS, AND 03:57:32.304 --> 03:57:34.073 OVERALL WORKING CONDITIONS, 03:57:34.139 --> 03:57:35.874 WHILE EXISTING LAW REQUIRES 03:57:35.941 --> 03:57:37.309 NOTICE OVER CHANGES TO WORKING 03:57:37.376 --> 03:57:38.811 CONDITIONS, IT DOES NOT 03:57:38.877 --> 03:57:40.212 EXPLICITLY ADDRESS THE GROWING 03:57:40.279 --> 03:57:42.648 USE OF AI, SO THIS IS A CLEAR 03:57:42.715 --> 03:57:44.216 GAP AS THIS TECHNOLOGY 03:57:44.283 --> 03:57:46.318 CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND EXPAND. 03:57:46.385 --> 03:57:47.786 SO IT'S THE BILL WOULD 03:57:47.853 --> 03:57:49.588 ESTABLISH A CLEAR COMMON SENSE 03:57:49.655 --> 03:57:51.090 REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC 03:57:51.156 --> 03:57:53.192 EMPLOYERS PROVIDE AT LEAST 45 03:57:53.258 --> 03:57:54.593 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE TO 03:57:54.660 --> 03:57:56.028 RECOGNIZED EMPLOYEE 03:57:56.095 --> 03:57:58.063 ORGANIZATIONS BEFORE DEVELOPING, 03:57:58.130 --> 03:57:59.298 PURCHASING, OR IMPLEMENTING 03:57:59.365 --> 03:58:01.900 THESE AI TOOLS. WITH THAT, I AM 03:58:01.967 --> 03:58:03.702 PLEASED TO BE JOINED TODAY BY 03:58:03.769 --> 03:58:06.505 RANDY PERRY FROM RANDY, THE 03:58:06.572 --> 03:58:07.940 PEACE OFFICERS RESEARCH 03:58:08.007 --> 03:58:09.742 ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA, 03:58:09.808 --> 03:58:12.611 DAVIS. WELCOME. AND YOU'LL HAVE 03:58:12.678 --> 03:58:13.846 TWO MINUTES. MR. CHAIR MEMBERS, 03:58:13.912 --> 03:58:15.481 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIRST OF 03:58:15.547 --> 03:58:19.585 ALL. AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ACCEPT 03:58:19.652 --> 03:58:21.286 THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS. THANK 03:58:21.353 --> 03:58:23.055 YOU FOR THE ASSIST FROM MY 03:58:23.122 --> 03:58:24.490 INCREDIBLE WITNESS. THAT'S AN 03:58:24.556 --> 03:58:25.357 EXPERIENCED WITNESS RIGHT THERE. 03:58:25.424 --> 03:58:26.992 I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM 03:58:27.059 --> 03:58:28.861 UNTIL WE AGREED TO THEM. FIRST 03:58:28.927 --> 03:58:30.095 OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOUR 03:58:30.162 --> 03:58:31.864 YOUR STAFF AND EVERYONE FOR 03:58:31.930 --> 03:58:32.865 WORKING WITH US. REALLY 03:58:32.931 --> 03:58:35.367 APPRECIATE IT. THE BILL'S 03:58:35.434 --> 03:58:37.302 SIMPLE REQUIRES A 45 DAY NOTICE. 03:58:37.369 --> 03:58:38.937 IT COULD BE AN EMAIL. WHAT HAVE 03:58:39.004 --> 03:58:42.541 YOU DOESN'T MANDATE BARGAINING. 03:58:42.608 --> 03:58:43.642 NOTHING OF THE SORT, JUST 03:58:43.709 --> 03:58:47.212 SIMPLY REQUIRES A NOTICE. ALL 03:58:47.279 --> 03:58:48.681 RIGHT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE IS 03:58:48.747 --> 03:58:50.416 THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO 03:58:50.482 --> 03:58:51.483 REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE 03:58:51.550 --> 03:58:54.453 BILL? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND 03:58:54.520 --> 03:58:56.588 SENATORS, ON BEHALF OF THE 03:58:56.655 --> 03:58:57.623 CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL 03:58:57.690 --> 03:58:58.757 FIREFIGHTERS AND SUPPORT. 03:58:58.824 --> 03:59:01.593 THANKS. THANK YOU. ARE DOES 03:59:01.660 --> 03:59:03.028 ANYONE WISH TO TESTIFY IN 03:59:03.095 --> 03:59:14.573 OPPOSITION TO THE BILL? THANK 03:59:14.640 --> 03:59:15.774 YOU, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS, GENE 03:59:15.841 --> 03:59:17.076 HURST HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF 03:59:17.142 --> 03:59:18.077 THE URBAN COUNTIES OF 03:59:18.143 --> 03:59:19.078 CALIFORNIA COALITION OF THE 03:59:19.144 --> 03:59:20.979 STATE'S 14 LARGEST COUNTIES, 03:59:21.046 --> 03:59:23.082 WE'RE HERE TODAY IN RESPECTFUL 03:59:23.148 --> 03:59:25.617 OPPOSITION TO AB 2656, WHICH WE 03:59:25.684 --> 03:59:28.454 BELIEVE IS A NECESSARY. AS YOUR 03:59:28.520 --> 03:59:29.555 ANALYSIS POINTS OUT, LOCAL 03:59:29.621 --> 03:59:31.390 AGENCIES ARE SUBJECT TO THE 03:59:31.457 --> 03:59:33.592 STATUTORY PROVISIONS OF THE 03:59:33.659 --> 03:59:34.993 BROWN ACT AND THE RALPH 03:59:35.060 --> 03:59:37.496 SIEGEL'S ACT. THESE STATUTES 03:59:37.563 --> 03:59:38.764 REQUIRE THAT LOCAL AGENCIES 03:59:38.831 --> 03:59:40.365 MEET AND CONFER WITH RECOGNIZED 03:59:40.432 --> 03:59:42.134 EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS 03:59:42.201 --> 03:59:43.235 REGARDING CHANGES TO EMPLOYEES, 03:59:43.302 --> 03:59:44.670 WAGES, HOURS OR TERMS AND 03:59:44.737 --> 03:59:46.472 CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT. 03:59:46.538 --> 03:59:47.906 EXISTING LAW PROVIDES A 03:59:47.973 --> 03:59:50.442 FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHEN 03:59:50.509 --> 03:59:52.578 PARTICULAR USES OF GENERATIVE 03:59:52.644 --> 03:59:53.612 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE MAY 03:59:53.679 --> 03:59:55.481 ACTUALLY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AND 03:59:55.547 --> 03:59:56.949 ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE 03:59:57.015 --> 03:59:58.050 EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP, IN 03:59:58.117 --> 03:59:59.785 WHICH CASE NOTIFICATION AND 03:59:59.852 --> 04:00:02.688 MORE IS ALREADY REQUIRED. WE DO 04:00:02.755 --> 04:00:04.123 SINCERELY APPRECIATE THE 04:00:04.189 --> 04:00:05.591 PROPOSED COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS 04:00:05.657 --> 04:00:07.392 AND LOOK FORWARD TO FUTURE 04:00:07.459 --> 04:00:08.460 DISCUSSIONS. FOR NOW, WE ARE 04:00:08.527 --> 04:00:10.596 OPPOSED TO THE BILL. RIGHT? 04:00:10.662 --> 04:00:12.698 THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO 04:00:12.765 --> 04:00:18.170 REGISTER OPPOSITION TO THE BILL? 04:00:18.237 --> 04:00:19.371 PLEASE JOIN US AT THE MIC AND 04:00:19.438 --> 04:00:21.173 SHARE WITH US YOUR NAME, 04:00:21.240 --> 04:00:22.508 AFFILIATION, NO LOBBYING FIRMS 04:00:22.574 --> 04:00:24.243 AND YOUR POSITION ON THE BILL. 04:00:24.309 --> 04:00:25.744 WELCOME. HELLO. KENDRA BAGLEY 04:00:25.811 --> 04:00:27.112 ON BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 04:00:27.179 --> 04:00:28.280 ASSOCIATION OF RECREATION AND 04:00:28.347 --> 04:00:32.584 PARK DISTRICTS IN OPPOSITION. 04:00:32.651 --> 04:00:34.019 ON BEHALF OF THE RURAL COUNTY 04:00:34.086 --> 04:00:34.920 REPRESENTATIVES OF CALIFORNIA 04:00:34.987 --> 04:00:39.391 IN RESPECTFUL OPPOSITION. ON 04:00:39.458 --> 04:00:40.492 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA 04:00:40.559 --> 04:00:42.294 SPECIAL DISTRICTS ASSOCIATION, 04:00:42.361 --> 04:00:43.862 RESPECTFULLY OPPOSES. AND I'VE 04:00:43.929 --> 04:00:45.164 BEEN ASKED TO REGISTER 04:00:45.230 --> 04:00:47.032 OPPOSITION ON BEHALF OF THE 04:00:47.099 --> 04:00:48.033 ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA 04:00:48.100 --> 04:00:49.434 SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS AND THE 04:00:49.501 --> 04:00:53.772 LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES. ON 04:00:53.839 --> 04:00:54.907 BEHALF OF THE CALIFORNIA STATE 04:00:54.973 --> 04:00:56.008 ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. 04:00:56.074 --> 04:00:58.510 RESPECTFULLY OPPOSED. THANK YOU. 04:00:58.577 --> 04:00:59.478 CLIFTON WILSON, ON BEHALF OF 04:00:59.545 --> 04:01:01.013 THE SHASTA COUNTY BOARD OF 04:01:01.079 --> 04:01:02.114 SUPERVISORS, IN RESPECTFUL 04:01:02.181 --> 04:01:03.182 OPPOSITION, JUST WANT TO ALIGN 04:01:03.248 --> 04:01:03.949 OURSELVES WITH THE OTHER 04:01:04.016 --> 04:01:05.050 STATEWIDE COUNTY ORGANIZATIONS. 04:01:05.117 --> 04:01:10.389 THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 04:01:10.455 --> 04:01:11.456 THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE 04:01:11.523 --> 04:01:12.591 TESTIMONY. SO WE'LL TURN TO THE 04:01:12.658 --> 04:01:13.959 COMMITTEE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR 04:01:14.026 --> 04:01:16.461 COMMENTS. SENATOR, ANYONE HAVE 04:01:16.528 --> 04:01:24.436 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WHO? 04:01:24.503 --> 04:01:26.939 SENATOR GÓMEZ REYES, THANK YOU. 04:01:27.005 --> 04:01:28.240 I THINK THE COMMENT THAT WAS 04:01:28.307 --> 04:01:29.474 MADE AT THE BEGINNING, AI IS 04:01:29.541 --> 04:01:31.977 COMING AT US SO QUICKLY FOR 04:01:32.044 --> 04:01:32.978 CHILDREN'S SAFETY. WE JUST 04:01:33.045 --> 04:01:36.648 HEARD THE BILL BEFORE YOU FOR 04:01:36.715 --> 04:01:39.151 IN SOCIETY AS A WHOLE AND AND 04:01:39.218 --> 04:01:41.119 THE EMPLOYEES, THE PROTECTION 04:01:41.186 --> 04:01:43.455 OF THEIR JOBS. AND I THINK THAT 04:01:43.522 --> 04:01:46.758 AS WE SEE THE ISSUES COMING OUR 04:01:46.825 --> 04:01:48.861 WAY, IT IS OUR JOB TO TRY TO 04:01:48.927 --> 04:01:50.696 FIND THE GUARDRAILS THAT ARE 04:01:50.762 --> 04:01:52.130 NECESSARY TO PROTECT ALL OF 04:01:52.197 --> 04:01:54.633 THOSE. AND I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT 04:01:54.700 --> 04:01:56.101 THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, 04:01:56.168 --> 04:01:59.705 SENATOR, ALL RIGHT. SENATOR 04:01:59.771 --> 04:02:00.672 PETRIE-NORRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE 04:02:00.739 --> 04:02:02.941 TO CLOSE? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, 04:02:03.008 --> 04:02:04.376 AND YOUR COMMITTEE STAFF, FOR 04:02:04.443 --> 04:02:05.544 YOUR WORK AND ENGAGEMENT ON 04:02:05.611 --> 04:02:08.347 THIS BILL. WE THINK THAT THIS 04:02:08.413 --> 04:02:10.482 MEASURE WILL PROMOTE A MORE 04:02:10.549 --> 04:02:12.284 THOUGHTFUL AND BALANCED 04:02:12.351 --> 04:02:14.453 APPROACH AS WE ARE IMPLEMENTING 04:02:14.519 --> 04:02:16.255 GENERATIVE AI TOOLS ACROSS 04:02:16.321 --> 04:02:17.256 CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENTS AND 04:02:17.322 --> 04:02:19.458 RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE. 04:02:19.524 --> 04:02:21.660 ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY 04:02:21.727 --> 04:02:23.528 SENATOR PADILLA. PLEASE CALL 04:02:23.595 --> 04:02:26.331 THE ROLL. MOTION IS DO PASS, AS 04:02:26.398 --> 04:02:27.799 AMENDED, TO APPROPRIATIONS. 04:02:27.866 --> 04:02:29.935 SENATORS CABALDON CABALDON I. 04:02:30.002 --> 04:02:33.171 SATO. SATO. I. GONZALEZ. 04:02:33.238 --> 04:02:35.374 MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. OCHOA. 04:02:35.440 --> 04:02:38.243 BOGH. PADILLA. PADILLA. AYE. 04:02:38.310 --> 04:02:40.712 REYES. REYES. AYE. UMBERG. 04:02:40.779 --> 04:02:45.884 WIENER. WIENER. AYE. ABOUT 6 TO 04:02:45.951 --> 04:02:47.152 0. PLACE THE MEASURE ON CALL. 04:02:47.219 --> 04:02:48.353 THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, 04:02:48.420 --> 04:02:50.055 MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS. THANK 04:02:50.122 --> 04:02:51.256 YOU. WE'RE NOW GOING TO PROCEED 04:02:51.323 --> 04:02:53.058 TO LIFT ALL OF THE CALLS, 04:02:53.125 --> 04:02:54.159 BEGINNING IN ORDER AND FILE 04:02:54.226 --> 04:02:56.561 ORDER WITH FILE ITEM NUMBER 04:02:56.628 --> 04:02:58.897 1AB302 BAUER K PH¢N PLEASE CALL 04:02:58.964 --> 04:03:01.767 THE ROLL AND. AND CAN YOU GIVE 04:03:01.833 --> 04:03:03.602 THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR VOTES? 04:03:03.669 --> 04:03:07.372 THANK YOU. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 04:03:07.439 --> 04:03:09.875 5 TO 0. SENATORS GONZALEZ, 04:03:09.942 --> 04:03:15.614 REYES REYES. I AM BERG WIENER. 04:03:15.681 --> 04:03:23.622 B 302 WIENER I 7 TO 0 ON CALL 7 04:03:23.689 --> 04:03:25.590 TO 0. THE MEASURES ON CALL. DO 04:03:25.657 --> 04:03:27.492 YOU MIND DOING THE VICE CHAIR 04:03:27.559 --> 04:03:31.897 VOTES? OKAY, AB 1705 ITEM 04:03:31.964 --> 04:03:33.198 NUMBER TWO BAUER K PH¢N. PLEASE 04:03:33.265 --> 04:03:35.567 CALL THE ROLL. THE VOTE IS 5 TO 04:03:35.634 --> 04:03:37.636 0. THE CHAIR VICE CHAIR VOTING 04:03:37.703 --> 04:03:40.138 AYE. SENATORS GONZALEZ REYES 04:03:40.205 --> 04:03:44.443 REYES AYE. UMBERG WIENER 1705. 04:03:44.509 --> 04:03:48.647 WIENER AYE 7 TO 0 7 TO 0 WILL 04:03:48.714 --> 04:03:50.582 REPLACE THE CALL. ITEM THREE IS 04:03:50.649 --> 04:03:53.385 A B TWO 2007. BAUER KHN PLEASE 04:03:53.452 --> 04:03:55.253 CALL THE ROLL. THE CURRENT VOTE 04:03:55.320 --> 04:03:57.956 IS 3 TO 0 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING 04:03:58.023 --> 04:04:02.094 AYE. SENATOR GONZALEZ REYES 04:04:02.160 --> 04:04:04.629 REYES AYE. UMBERG WIENER WIENER 04:04:04.696 --> 04:04:08.033 AYE 5 TO 0 ON CALL, 5 TO 0. 04:04:08.100 --> 04:04:10.435 THAT BILL IS ON CALL. FILE ITEM 04:04:10.502 --> 04:04:11.803 4AB2212. BAUER KHN PLEASE CALL. 04:04:11.870 --> 04:04:14.039 THE ROLL IS 5 TO 0 WITH THE 04:04:14.106 --> 04:04:15.874 CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR VOTING AYE. 04:04:15.941 --> 04:04:17.909 SENATORS GONZALEZ REYES REYES 04:04:17.976 --> 04:04:22.280 AYE UMBERG WIENER WIENER AYE 7 04:04:22.347 --> 04:04:24.316 TO 0 7 TO 0 WILL REPLACE THE 04:04:24.383 --> 04:04:25.450 CALL. LET'S MOVE NEXT TO THE 04:04:25.517 --> 04:04:27.252 CONSENT CALENDAR WHICH IS FILE 04:04:27.319 --> 04:04:29.054 ITEM FIVE AND FILE ITEM 14. 04:04:29.121 --> 04:04:33.358 NUMBER TWO AS AMENDED. YES. 04:04:33.425 --> 04:04:34.826 CURRENT VOTE IS 5 TO 0. 04:04:34.893 --> 04:04:37.696 SENATORS GONZALEZ. REYES. REYES. 04:04:37.763 --> 04:04:39.865 AYE. HAMBURG. HAMBURG. AYE. 04:04:39.931 --> 04:04:43.802 WIENER WIENER AYE 8 TO 0 8 TO 0. 04:04:43.869 --> 04:04:45.604 OR WE WILL REPLACE THE CALL 04:04:45.670 --> 04:04:49.241 FILE ITEM SIX ÁP 1349. BRIAN 04:04:49.307 --> 04:04:50.509 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL MOTION IS 04:04:50.575 --> 04:04:51.877 TO PASS TO JUDICIARY. THE 04:04:51.943 --> 04:04:55.347 CURRENT VOTE IS 4 TO 0 WITH THE 04:04:55.414 --> 04:04:56.515 CHAIR VOTING AYE. SENATORS SAY 04:04:56.581 --> 04:05:02.521 ARE. GONZALEZ OCHOA NUMBER 04:05:02.587 --> 04:05:06.458 WIENER WIENER AYE 5 TO 0 ON 04:05:06.525 --> 04:05:08.326 CALL, 5 TO 0. REPLACE THE CALL 04:05:08.393 --> 04:05:11.196 FILE ITEM SEVEN AB 1883 BY MR. 04:05:11.263 --> 04:05:12.998 BRIAN. MOTION MOTION IS DUE. 04:05:13.065 --> 04:05:14.399 PASS TO LABOR, PUBLIC 04:05:14.466 --> 04:05:15.434 EMPLOYMENT AND RETIREMENT. THE 04:05:15.500 --> 04:05:17.702 CURRENT VOTE IS 3 TO 0 WITH THE 04:05:17.769 --> 04:05:19.204 CHAIR VOTING AYE. SENATOR SATO. 04:05:19.271 --> 04:05:22.374 NÓ SATO. NÓ GONZALEZ. OCHOA. 04:05:22.441 --> 04:05:24.876 REYES REYES. AYE. HAMBURG. 04:05:24.943 --> 04:05:28.480 HAMBURG. AYE. WIENER WIENER AYE 04:05:28.547 --> 04:05:30.482 6 TO 1, 6 TO 1. THAT WILL 04:05:30.549 --> 04:05:32.384 REPLACE THE CALL FILE ITEM 04:05:32.451 --> 04:05:34.152 8AB2392. FONG, PLEASE CALL THE 04:05:34.219 --> 04:05:37.155 ROLL. THE MOTION IS DO PASS AS 04:05:37.222 --> 04:05:38.557 AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. THE 04:05:38.623 --> 04:05:40.392 CURRENT VOTE IS 5 TO 0 WITH THE 04:05:40.459 --> 04:05:42.227 CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR VOTING AYE. 04:05:42.294 --> 04:05:43.962 SENATORS GONZALEZ. REYES. REYES. 04:05:44.029 --> 04:05:46.064 AYE. HAMBURG. HAMBURG. AYE. 04:05:46.131 --> 04:05:49.734 WIENER WIENER AYE 8 TO 0 8 TO 0 04:05:49.801 --> 04:05:52.270 WILL REPLACE THE CALL FILE ITEM 04:05:52.337 --> 04:05:53.672 9AB1837 BY GONZALEZ. PLEASE 04:05:53.738 --> 04:05:55.140 CALL. THE ROLL MOTION IS DUE. 04:05:55.207 --> 04:05:56.675 PASS. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 3 TO 04:05:56.741 --> 04:05:58.643 2 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING AYE AND 04:05:58.710 --> 04:05:59.778 THE VICE CHAIR VOTING NO. 04:05:59.845 --> 04:06:01.947 SENATORS GONZALEZ REYES REYES 04:06:02.013 --> 04:06:04.850 AYE UMBER A NUMBER AYE. WIENER 04:06:04.916 --> 04:06:08.553 WIENER AYE 6 TO 2 ON CALL 6 TO 04:06:08.620 --> 04:06:10.489 2 WILL REPLACE THE CALL FILE 04:06:10.555 --> 04:06:12.390 ITEM TEN ÁP 1720 BY MR. HANEY. 04:06:12.457 --> 04:06:13.825 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. THE 04:06:13.892 --> 04:06:17.062 CURRENT VOTE IS 3 TO 0. 04:06:17.129 --> 04:06:19.931 SENATORS. CABALDON SATO. NØ 04:06:19.998 --> 04:06:23.168 SATO. NÓ GONZALEZ. OCHOA. 04:06:23.235 --> 04:06:30.075 UMBERG. WIENER. WIENER. AYE. 3 04:06:30.142 --> 04:06:32.144 TO 1 ON CALL 3 TO 1 WILL 04:06:32.210 --> 04:06:34.379 REPLACE THE CALL FILE ITEM 04:06:34.446 --> 04:06:35.814 11AB311 BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER 04:06:35.881 --> 04:06:38.316 SKINNER. THE MOTION IS DO PASS 04:06:38.383 --> 04:06:39.751 AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. 04:06:39.818 --> 04:06:42.554 THE CURRENT VOTE IS 2 TO 0 WITH 04:06:42.621 --> 04:06:43.722 THE CHAIR VOTING AYE. SENATORS 04:06:43.788 --> 04:06:46.958 SATO VOTING. GONZALEZ. MCNERNEY. 04:06:47.025 --> 04:06:49.828 MCNERNEY. AYE. OKUBO. REYES. 04:06:49.895 --> 04:06:51.963 REYES. AYE. AMBER. AMBER. AYE. 04:06:52.030 --> 04:06:55.333 WIENER. AYE. WIENER. AYE. 6 TO 04:06:55.400 --> 04:06:57.903 0, 6 TO 0. WE WE WILL REPLACE 04:06:57.969 --> 04:07:00.672 THE CALL FILE ITEM 12AB2575 04:07:00.739 --> 04:07:02.474 ORTEGA. MR. I KNOW THIS IS NOT 04:07:02.541 --> 04:07:03.508 NORMAL. CAN I JUST SAY 04:07:03.575 --> 04:07:05.043 SOMETHING BRIEFLY ON THAT ITEM 04:07:05.110 --> 04:07:06.144 BEFORE YOU. YES. THANK YOU SO 04:07:06.211 --> 04:07:08.013 MUCH. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT 04:07:08.079 --> 04:07:10.348 BEING HERE, WHICH WHICH ITEM 04:07:10.415 --> 04:07:12.517 WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 12 04:07:12.584 --> 04:07:16.154 ORTEGA. OKAY. DISCUSSION AFTER 04:07:16.221 --> 04:07:18.356 WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN MOTION. CAN 04:07:18.423 --> 04:07:20.759 YOU DO SOMETHING AFTER THE VOTE? 04:07:20.825 --> 04:07:22.928 WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING. WE CAN'T 04:07:22.994 --> 04:07:26.264 OPEN UP DISCUSSION AGAIN. BUT 04:07:26.331 --> 04:07:35.907 HE CAN. BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO 04:07:35.974 --> 04:07:37.375 EXPLAIN HIS VOTE AFTER THE VOTE. 04:07:37.442 --> 04:07:38.777 BUT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE 04:07:38.843 --> 04:07:57.929 ACTUAL BILL. IN. YEAH, BECAUSE 04:07:57.996 --> 04:07:59.331 THEN EVERYONE ELSE CAN SPEAK 04:07:59.397 --> 04:08:02.200 TOO. YEAH. I'M ADVISED BY OUR 04:08:02.267 --> 04:08:03.635 THE COMMITTEE STAFF THAT THAT'S 04:08:03.702 --> 04:08:05.003 THAT'S NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE. 04:08:05.070 --> 04:08:09.040 OKAY. I KNOW NO PROBLEM. IF 04:08:09.107 --> 04:08:11.209 ANYONE WANTS TO KNOW WHY I'M 04:08:11.276 --> 04:08:13.111 VOTING FOR IT, THEY CAN CALL ME. 04:08:13.178 --> 04:08:16.948 THANK YOU. 12 MAYBE 2575 ORTEGA 04:08:17.015 --> 04:08:18.783 PLEASE CALL. THE ROLL MOTION IS 04:08:18.850 --> 04:08:20.118 TO PASS THROUGH APPROPRIATIONS. 04:08:20.185 --> 04:08:22.020 THE CURRENT VOTE IS 1 TO 0. 04:08:22.087 --> 04:08:24.522 SENATORS. CABALDON CIERTO 04:08:24.589 --> 04:08:28.293 CIERTO NØ. GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. 04:08:28.360 --> 04:08:29.227 AYE. MCNERNEY. MCNERNEY. AYE. 04:08:29.294 --> 04:08:32.797 OCHOA. VOGUE. VOGUE. NO. REYES. 04:08:32.864 --> 04:08:35.333 REYES. AYE. UMBER. UMBERG. AYE. 04:08:35.400 --> 04:08:40.639 WIENER. WIENER. AYE. 6 TO 2. 6 04:08:40.705 --> 04:08:43.942 TO 2. WILL AND AND THAT BILL IS 04:08:44.009 --> 04:08:48.280 OUT. I FILE ITEM 13AB2656. 04:08:48.346 --> 04:08:50.115 PETRIE-NORRIS SECRETARY OUR 04:08:50.181 --> 04:08:51.149 COMMITTEE ASSISTANT PLEASE CALL 04:08:51.216 --> 04:08:52.851 THE ROLL MOTION IS DO PASS AS 04:08:52.917 --> 04:08:54.052 AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. THE 04:08:54.119 --> 04:08:56.221 CURRENT VOTE IS 6 TO 0 WITH THE 04:08:56.288 --> 04:08:58.790 CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR VOTING AYE. 04:08:58.857 --> 04:08:59.791 SENATORS GONZALEZ GONZALEZ AYE. 04:08:59.858 --> 04:09:02.661 OKUBO. CHO. AYE. HAMBURG. 04:09:02.727 --> 04:09:06.298 HAMBURG. AYE 9 TO 0, 9 TO 0. 04:09:06.364 --> 04:09:09.868 THAT BILL IS OUT. FILE ITEM 40. 04:09:09.934 --> 04:09:12.771 SORRY. FILE ITEM 15 AB 1856 BY 04:09:12.837 --> 04:09:13.872 ASSEMBLY MEMBER WICKS. PLEASE 04:09:13.938 --> 04:09:15.273 CALL THE ROLL. THE MOTION IS DO 04:09:15.340 --> 04:09:16.775 PASS AS AMENDED TO 04:09:16.841 --> 04:09:17.442 APPROPRIATIONS. THE CURRENT 04:09:17.509 --> 04:09:19.311 VOTE IS 3 TO 0 WITH THE CHAIR 04:09:19.377 --> 04:09:21.379 VOTING AYE. SENATOR CIERTO NOT 04:09:21.446 --> 04:09:25.016 VOTING. GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. AYE. 04:09:25.083 --> 04:09:29.354 OKUBO. OKUBO. AYE. REYES. REYES. 04:09:29.421 --> 04:09:31.823 AYE. AMBER. AMBER. AYE. WIENER. 04:09:31.890 --> 04:09:36.194 WIENER. AYE. CRLA. SATO. AYE 9 04:09:36.261 --> 04:09:38.697 TO 0 9 TO 0. THAT BILL IS OUT. 04:09:38.763 --> 04:09:40.799 ITEM 16AB1946 BY ASSEMBLY 04:09:40.865 --> 04:09:42.534 MEMBER WICKS. PLEASE CALL THE 04:09:42.600 --> 04:09:44.769 ROLL. THE MOTION IS TO PASS TO 04:09:44.836 --> 04:09:46.604 JUDICIARY. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 04:09:46.671 --> 04:09:47.906 4 TO 0 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING 04:09:47.972 --> 04:09:51.009 AYE. SENATOR SATO. AYE. SATO. 04:09:51.076 --> 04:09:53.111 AYE. GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. AYE. 04:09:53.178 --> 04:09:56.281 OKUBO. CHO AYE UMBER UMBERG I 04:09:56.348 --> 04:09:59.851 WIENER WIENER. AYE 9 TO 0. THAT 04:09:59.918 --> 04:10:01.753 BILL IS OUT. FILE ITEM 17 ÁP 04:10:01.820 --> 04:10:03.188 1798 BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER WILSON. 04:10:03.254 --> 04:10:04.389 PLEASE CALL. THE ROLL MOTION IS 04:10:04.456 --> 04:10:06.291 DUE PASSED TO APPROPRIATIONS. 04:10:06.358 --> 04:10:08.493 THE CURRENT VOTE IS 3 TO 0. THE 04:10:08.560 --> 04:10:09.561 CHAIR VOTING AYE. SENATOR SATO 04:10:09.627 --> 04:10:12.664 NOT VOTING. GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. 04:10:12.731 --> 04:10:16.468 AYE. OKUBO. AYE. REYES. REYES. 04:10:16.534 --> 04:10:19.738 AYE. AMBER. AMBER. AYE. WIENER. 04:10:19.804 --> 04:10:22.707 WIENER. AYE 8 TO 0 8 TO 0. THAT 04:10:22.774 --> 04:10:24.609 BILL IS OUT. WE'RE NOW GOING 04:10:24.676 --> 04:10:26.511 BACK TO FILE ITEM ONE AND WORK 04:10:26.578 --> 04:10:27.645 OUR WAY BACK DOWN TO THE 04:10:27.712 --> 04:10:29.514 THROUGH FILE ITEM 11. ALL THE 04:10:29.581 --> 04:10:30.715 OTHER BILLS ARE OUT AFTER FILE 04:10:30.782 --> 04:10:32.984 ITEM 11. SO FILE ITEM ONE ÁP 04:10:33.051 --> 04:10:34.586 302 BY BAUER-KAHAN. PLEASE CALL. 04:10:34.652 --> 04:10:36.654 THE ROLL MOTION IS DO PASS AS 04:10:36.721 --> 04:10:38.790 AMENDED. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 7 04:10:38.857 --> 04:10:41.326 TO 0. SENATORS GONZALEZ. 04:10:41.393 --> 04:10:43.495 GONZALEZ. AYE. AMBER. AMBER. 04:10:43.561 --> 04:10:46.698 AYE. 9 TO 0, 9 TO 0. THAT BILL 04:10:46.765 --> 04:10:48.800 IS OUT BY ITEM 2AB1705. PLEASE 04:10:48.867 --> 04:10:52.137 CALL THE ROLL. MOTION IS DO 04:10:52.203 --> 04:10:53.972 PASS AS AMENDED TO 04:10:54.038 --> 04:10:55.006 APPROPRIATIONS. THE CURRENT 04:10:55.073 --> 04:10:58.443 VOTE IS 7 TO 0. SENATORS 04:10:58.510 --> 04:11:01.179 GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. AYE. AMBER. 04:11:01.246 --> 04:11:04.749 AMBER. AYE. 9 TO 0, 9 TO 0. 04:11:04.816 --> 04:11:07.185 THAT BILL IS OUT. ITEM THREE A 04:11:07.252 --> 04:11:08.353 2007 BAUER-KAHAN. PLEASE CALL 04:11:08.420 --> 04:11:13.758 THE ROLL. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 5 04:11:13.825 --> 04:11:15.727 TO 0 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING AYE. 04:11:15.794 --> 04:11:17.695 SENATOR. SENATOR GONZALEZ 04:11:17.762 --> 04:11:21.299 GONZALEZ AYE. HAMBURG. HAMBURG. 04:11:21.366 --> 04:11:25.470 AYE 7 TO 0, 7 TO 0. THAT BILL 04:11:25.537 --> 04:11:27.739 IS OUT. FILE ITEM 4AB2212 04:11:27.806 --> 04:11:28.440 BAUER-KAHAN PLEASE CALL THE 04:11:28.506 --> 04:11:30.275 ROLL. MOTION IS DO PASS AS 04:11:30.341 --> 04:11:31.709 AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. THE 04:11:31.776 --> 04:11:33.511 CURRENT VOTE IS 7 TO 0 WITH THE 04:11:33.578 --> 04:11:35.380 CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR VOTING AYE. 04:11:35.447 --> 04:11:37.081 SENATORS GONZALEZ GONZALEZ. AYE. 04:11:37.148 --> 04:11:41.786 HAMBURG. HAMBURG. AYE. 9 TO 0. 04:11:41.853 --> 04:11:44.622 THAT BILL IS OUT. FILE ITEM SIX 04:11:44.689 --> 04:11:46.491 OR DO WE IS THE CONSENT 04:11:46.558 --> 04:11:48.993 CALENDAR. NO. OKAY. THAT'S THE 04:11:49.060 --> 04:11:50.762 CONSENT CALENDAR WHICH IS FILE 04:11:50.829 --> 04:11:53.465 ITEMS FIVE AND 14. PLEASE CALL 04:11:53.531 --> 04:11:56.167 THE ROLL. OKAY. THE CURRENT 04:11:56.234 --> 04:11:58.002 VOTE IS 8 TO 0. SENATORS 04:11:58.069 --> 04:12:00.872 GONZALEZ GONZALEZ. AYE. 9 TO 0, 04:12:00.939 --> 04:12:02.640 9 TO 0. THE CONSENT CALENDAR IS 04:12:02.707 --> 04:12:06.678 OUT. ITEM SIX ÁP 1349. BRIAN, 04:12:06.744 --> 04:12:09.180 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL VOTE IS 5 04:12:09.247 --> 04:12:11.149 TO 0 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING AYE. 04:12:11.216 --> 04:12:13.084 SENATOR. SARTO. GONZALEZ. 04:12:13.151 --> 04:12:16.688 GONZALEZ. AYE. OKUBO. AYE. 04:12:16.754 --> 04:12:22.594 UMBER. IT IS 7 TO 0 7 TO 0. 04:12:22.660 --> 04:12:26.798 THAT BILL IS OUT. FILE ITEM 04:12:26.865 --> 04:12:27.765 7AB1883 BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER 04:12:27.832 --> 04:12:30.001 BRYANT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 04:12:30.068 --> 04:12:31.169 THE MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO 04:12:31.236 --> 04:12:32.537 LABOR, PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT AND 04:12:32.604 --> 04:12:35.440 RETIREMENT. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 04:12:35.507 --> 04:12:36.741 6 TO 1 WITH THE CHAIR VOTING 04:12:36.808 --> 04:12:39.511 AYE AND THE VICE CHAIR VOTING 04:12:39.577 --> 04:12:40.545 NO. SENATORS GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. 04:12:40.612 --> 04:12:45.583 AYE. VOGUE. VOGUE. AYE. IT'S 8 04:12:45.650 --> 04:12:47.452 TO 1, 8 TO 1. THAT BILL IS OUT. 04:12:47.519 --> 04:12:49.888 FILE ITEM EIGHT BY ASSEMBLY 04:12:49.954 --> 04:12:51.656 MEMBER FONG A B 2392. PLEASE 04:12:51.723 --> 04:12:54.058 CALL THE ROLL MOTION IS DO PASS 04:12:54.125 --> 04:12:55.226 AS AMENDED TO APPROPRIATIONS. 04:12:55.293 --> 04:12:57.061 THE CURRENT VOTE IS 8 TO 0. 04:12:57.128 --> 04:12:59.931 SENATORS GONZALEZ GONZALEZ AYE 04:12:59.998 --> 04:13:02.000 9 TO 0, 9 TO 0. THAT BILL IS 04:13:02.066 --> 04:13:04.936 OUT. FILE ITEM 9AB1837. 04:13:05.003 --> 04:13:07.138 GONZALEZ, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 04:13:07.205 --> 04:13:08.573 MOTION IS DUE. PASS. THE 04:13:08.640 --> 04:13:10.375 CURRENT BILL IS 6 TO 2 WITH THE 04:13:10.441 --> 04:13:11.476 CHAIR VOTING AYE. VICE CHAIR 04:13:11.543 --> 04:13:13.611 VOTING NO. SENATORS GONZALEZ 04:13:13.678 --> 04:13:16.848 GONZALEZ AYE 7 TO 2, 7 TO 2. 04:13:16.915 --> 04:13:19.350 THAT BILL IS OUT. FILE ITEM TEN 04:13:19.417 --> 04:13:21.486 ÁP 1720. HANEY PLEASE CALL. THE 04:13:21.553 --> 04:13:24.355 ROLL MOTION IS DUE. PASS TO 04:13:24.422 --> 04:13:28.726 JUDICIARY. THE CURRENT VOTE IS 04:13:28.793 --> 04:13:31.462 4 TO 1. SENATORS. CABALDON. 04:13:31.529 --> 04:13:37.302 GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. AYE. OKUBO. 04:13:37.368 --> 04:13:43.107 VOTE NO. UMBERG 5 TO 2, 5 TO 2. 04:13:43.174 --> 04:13:47.078 THAT BILL IS OUT AND FILE ITEM 04:13:47.145 --> 04:13:48.146 118311 BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER 04:13:48.212 --> 04:13:55.720 MCHENRY. OKAY. THE MOTION IS DO 04:13:55.787 --> 04:13:57.188 PASS, AS AMENDED, TO 04:13:57.255 --> 04:13:57.755 APPROPRIATIONS. THE CURRENT 04:13:57.822 --> 04:14:00.024 VOTE IS 6 TO 0 WITH THE CHAIR 04:14:00.091 --> 04:14:03.027 VOTING AYE. SENATOR. SARTO. 04:14:03.094 --> 04:14:05.063 GONZALEZ. GONZALEZ. AYE. OKUBO. 04:14:05.129 --> 04:14:08.700 OKUBO. AYE. 8 TO 0, 8 TO 0. 04:14:08.766 --> 04:14:11.202 THAT BILL IS OUT. I THINK 04:14:11.269 --> 04:14:13.438 THAT'S IT. MEMBERS. THANK YOU. 04:14:13.504 --> 04:14:17.308 THANK YOU TO MEMBERS. OUR OUR 04:14:17.375 --> 04:14:19.510 INSANE OVERWORKED STAFF FOR FOR 04:14:19.577 --> 04:14:21.346 A BUSY WEEKEND. AND THANKS TO 04:14:21.412 --> 04:14:23.081 ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE 04:14:23.147 --> 04:14:24.482 AUTHORS. WITH THAT, OUR 04:14:24.549 --> 04:14:25.950 BUSINESS IS CONCLUDED. AND THIS 04:14:26.017 --> 04:14:27.385 MEETING OF THE PRIVACY, DIGITAL 04:14:27.452 --> 04:14:28.486 TECHNOLOGIES AND CONSUMER 04:14:28.553 --> 04:14:29.587 PROTECTION COMMITTEE IS 04:14:29.654 --> 04:14:33.124 ADJOURNED. CHRISTIAN, DID YOU 04:14:33.191 --> 04:14:52.010 HAVE A QUESTION ON ONE OF THOSE?