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Every. Effing. Day.'s avatar

Ok, fine, but this is not the way to do it. We could have had a responsible unwinding that would have asked careful questions about the impact of pulling back in different places and planned for the challenges, but we didn't. There's a moral problem with the indifference to human suffering going on there, but there's also a self-interested case for not doing it this way, too.

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Andrea Plamondon's avatar

It is immoral for a country that is so deep in depth to squander its' tax payers money. Such exorbitant levels of waste have been a long time brewing, and the remedy cannot and will not be perfect, but the status quo is no less egregious. Because we live in such a huge country, people are not equally affected by problems, but without dialogue and debate, and a reliable press I don't see things getting much better.

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Every. Effing. Day.'s avatar

Oh, please. The GOP is planning to give a huge tax break to its rich benefactors while leaving 30 million people, more than half Americans, vulnerable to malnutrition, disease and death. The tax cut is what is immoral here.

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Andrea Plamondon's avatar

In am not talking in absolutes as to which party is the most corrupt, both are complicit in over reach. Tax breaks for corporations make us competitive in the world market, and companies make jobs. Allowing millions of unvetted migrants who need government, support, and who may or may not commit crimes, is also the actions of a king. It is unconstitutional and especially insane for a country in debt. Joe Biden and Obama never supported open borders until they did. Our country has been in decline long before Trump came into office, and will continue to decline after him no matter what he is able to accomplish or what he does not. Teaching kids to hate their own country, that the US is a country founded on slavery (when slavery still exists in this world and always has) ) that all evil actions in the Middle east are the result of the US or Israel is false and wicked. As my mother who lived through Hitlers bombs once said, they are using our tolerance and freedoms against us. What I see is every Tom, Dick and Harriet wants a piece of the American pie, and what better way to get it than to demonize the country as unworthy and hand it over to those who are no more worthy. Too many unassimilated people have come into this country who do not want to be a part of our constitutional Republic. Rome found out the hard way.

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Gene Frenkle's avatar

Our low point was 2008. 2024 looks like our high point thanks to BidenтАЩs leadership and thankfully Trump is following BidenтАЩs lead on foreign policy. But these Republicans in Congress are just reheating BushтАЩs failed domestic policies. Look forward to increased deficits with 2.5% GDP growthтАжjust another own goal like 2003.

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Andrea Plamondon's avatar

I wish I could share your sentiments about foreign policy, but I just don't see the Europeans as the allies they once were. Unabated mass migration into Europe has reached destructive proportions and there has been massive protests. Lets just say they are accustomed to cars burning in certain western European cities. I don't think either party has helped the deficit, but I am certainly not defending Republicans.

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Gene Frenkle's avatar

Clinton achieved a surplus and Obama had the deficit ratio at 3% by 2014. Kamala would have had 3% by 2026. Bush could have had a surplus all 8 years but chose deficits and Trump inherited 3% from Obama and had it at 4.5% in 2019 before exploding it in 2020. Democrats are better at managing the economy than Republicans since 1990.

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JasonT's avatar

and in 100 years the questions would still be unanswered. End it now.

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