Mailman 3 February 2015 - Pythonmac-SIG

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pyobjc-dev] Moving PyObjC and py2app forward
by Ronald Oussoren Feb. 2, 2015

Feb. 2, 2015

> On 29 Jan 2015, at 21:22, Sean Robinson <sean.robinson(a)scottsdalecc.edu> wrote: > > On 01/29/15 11:20, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >>> On 10 Dec 2014, at 23:11, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> I’m not sure how to make serious progress with my current load (both work and privately). Does anyone have experience with crowd-funding for open-source work? >> >> I guess not. I’m still interested in idea’s on how to improve development/support for PyObjC. >> > > Have you considered applying to the Python Software Foundation for a grant? Not really, the work that needs to be done is IMHO only partially related to the PSF mission. Apart from that I think I’d should try to raise some funding from the community before talking to the PSF, at the very least that would show that it wouldn’t be a complete waste of funds. Before I can do any of that I’d have to get a clearer picture of what I’d like to do, and (more importantly) how to accomplish that. Ronald > > > -- > Sean Robinson > Physical Sciences Lab Technician > Physics, Astronomy, Geology > Scottsdale Community College

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pyobjc-dev] Moving PyObjC and py2app forward
by Chris Barker Feb. 2, 2015

Feb. 2, 2015

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren(a)mac.com> wrote: > I’m not sure how to make serious progress with my current load (both work > and privately). Does anyone have experience with crowd-funding for > open-source work? > > > I guess not. I’m still interested in idea’s on how to improve > development/support for PyObjC. > I sure don't have any experience with crown funding. But are you saying that you could put time into it if you could get paid? Maybe kick starter? thought this: http://blog.felixbreuer.net/2013/04/24/crowdfunding-for-open-source.html indicates that it doesn't work well for Open source projects. Are you set up with a consultancy so that people could pay you for a particular bug fix or feature? For example, the US federal government (which I work for) can not donate to anything. We can, however, pay a contractor to provide a particular service. As an example, we are right now wrestling with PY2App to distribute a product. If we could have hired you to get that all set up for us, then you may have been able to get a few bugs fixed, while we could have gotten what we needed to economically. NOTE: it's too late now, and It might have been difficult for us to contract with a non-US entity, but you get the idea. As a matter of fact, we did something much like this with Robin Dunn, the wxPython developer -- we hired him to extend an app of ours that required some updating/improving of wxPython. -Chris -- Christopher Barker, Ph.D. Oceanographer Emergency Response Division NOAA/NOS/OR&R (206) 526-6959 voice 7600 Sand Point Way NE (206) 526-6329 fax Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception Chris.Barker(a)noaa.gov

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pyobjc-dev] Moving PyObjC and py2app forward
by Ronald Oussoren Feb. 2, 2015

Feb. 2, 2015

> On 29 Jan 2015, at 20:46, Diez B. Roggisch <deets(a)web.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > >> On 29 Jan 2015, at 19:20, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren(a)mac.com <mailto:ronaldoussoren@mac.com>> wrote: >> >>> On 10 Dec 2014, at 23:11, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren(a)mac.com <mailto:ronaldoussoren@mac.com>> wrote: >>> I’m not sure how to make serious progress with my current load (both work and privately). Does anyone have experience with crowd-funding for open-source work? >> >> I guess not. I’m still interested in idea’s on how to improve development/support for PyObjC. > > This is not from personal experience, but observation of other maintainers e.g. like Christian Tismer & the psyco optimizing Python JIT, and the stackless python implementation. > > For both cases, he scored consulting gigs with companies that heavily used his projects, so that he could work on them and improve them. One was a computer trading company somewhere in the US, the other with the game studio CCP of Eve Online fame. > > So my suggestion would be to seek out companies that use pyobjc, and ask if they have an interest in employing you, on whatever base. > > Sorry that I can’t be of more help - crowd-funding has not worked for me so far, as these things seem to need (in my limited perception, not really deeply surveyed the landscape) a goal that has a certain “sexyness” (in lieu of a better term) - usually, that means a consumer product, such as a game, or self-driving cool box or some such. That’s my perception as well. A site like kickstarter also appears to require you to work on a specific product (a gadget, new software, …) and not ongoing development of an existing project. Ronald > > Diez

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