Mailman 3 November 2005 - Pythonmac-SIG

Python based apps woes on MacOs X (was :Re: [Pythoncard-users] Re: PythonCard on OS X 10.4 with Python 2.4.1)
by catonano＠inwind.it May 7, 2006

May 7, 2006

> >There's a current thread about this in the PythonCard-users group, > >under the non-clear subject name: > > > > Re: update (was: Re: [Pythoncard-users] supposed bug in > >PythonCard) > > > > > >Yes I originated the thread. I found a bug in Pythoncard with python 2.4.1 and wxPython 2.6.1.0 and > >PythonCard 0.8.1 > > > >It's not "supposed". It's a quite clearly a bug. > > > > > > > Adriano - > the only reason the subject line says "supposed bug ..." is because > that's the subject line you chose for your initial posting to the > Pythoncard list on this topic :-) Yes, Alex, you're right. It was a supposed bug when I opened the thread, so the subject line was quite good at the moment. Later it became a bit obscure ;-) > Something appears to have changed wrt the path that Python's sys.modules > reports for imported files. >As far as I know, no-one has yet verified > for sure whether it is a Python bug or merely a platform-specific change > that Pythoncard will need to adjust for. (Nor do I know how we'll be > able to adjust - but I'm hoping that some of the PythonCard / Mac users > are investigating ....) That python user could be me ! Alex, would you discuss a bit more about this Python issue ? sys.modules reportings about the imported files has changed ? Since when ? Does this affect the Apple installed python or the "third parties" ones ? Thanks! Bye Adriano ____________________________________________________________ Libero Flat, sempre a 4 Mega a 19,95 euro al mese! Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it

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Framework build of 2.4.2
by Samuel M. Smith Dec. 14, 2005

Dec. 14, 2005

Will there be a framework installer for python 2.4.2? ********************************************************************** Samuel M. Smith Ph.D. 2966 Fort Hill Road Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043 801-768-2768 voice 801-768-2769 fax ********************************************************************** "The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment" **********************************************************************

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Fwd: Preferred IDE
by Jeffrey E. Forcier Dec. 6, 2005

Dec. 6, 2005

Oops, Jerry forgot to send his original email to the list, and thus my Reply-All didn't really do anything :) Forwarding. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jeffrey E. Forcier" <jforcier(a)strozllc.com> > Date: November 29, 2005 10:48:32 AM EST > To: lanceboyle(a)bluebottle.com > Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Preferred IDE > > I don't have it installed anymore, but I tried TextWrangler a while > ago; if memory serves it had the same lack of auto-indent that > XCode has. Certainly it was something along those lines, something > preventing me from "properly" using it for Python, which is why I'm > not using it now. I also seem to remember BBEdit not having that > issue for some reason, but it wasn't worth the price tag for that > one tweak. > > Other than whatever that issue was, though, TextWrangler/BBEdit is > an *excellent* editor, so be sure to try it out yourself (this > directed at Jerry and the OP) before dismissing it. > > Regards, > Jeff > > On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:23 PM, lanceboyle(a)bluebottle.com wrote: > >> Can someone compare TextMate with BBEdit and/or the free version >> of BBEdit, Text Wrangler? Either as a Python editor or otherwise? >> >> Jerry >

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Selecting in BBEdit & Python Indenting style(spaces)
by Kent Quirk Dec. 1, 2005

Dec. 1, 2005

Just because there seems to be an orgy of people agreeing that Tabs are the One True Way, I feel a need to point out that there are those of us who fervently believe that Tabs Are Evil. The reason is that tabs are interpreted differently in different places, and they're indistinguishable from spaces upon casual inspection. So the visual appearance of mixed spaces and tabs can be highly misleading and confusing, especially in an environment with multiple developers, each of whom may have a different tab setting. Spaces are unambiguous. As it's the meaning of the source that matters, and editors can be tuned to personal taste, I'm in favor of leaving the source clean of tabs and letting people tweak their editors to their own liking. In my view, Python should consider leading tabs to be a syntax error (and yes, I know about the -tt switch). Kent -----Original Message----- From: pythonmac-sig-bounces(a)python.org [mailto:pythonmac-sig-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Jan Erik Moström Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:18 PM To: Chris Barker Cc: Louis Pecora; pythonmac-sig(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Selecting in BBEdit & Python Indenting style(spaces) Chris Barker <Chris.Barker(a)noaa.gov> 2005-11-29 20:40: > > I would think that TAB would be infinitely better and avoid the > > problems you point out that probably plague a lot of editors when > > doing Python code. > > I agree. Tabs would be easier in most cases, but: Thank you, while I really like Python I've never figured this one out. But I have other style things also that isn't "true" python ;-) jem -- Jan Erik Moström, www.mostrom.pp.se _______________________________________________ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] readline support in ActivePython 2.4.2?
by Dave Dec. 1, 2005

Dec. 1, 2005

[Trent Mick <trentm(a)ActiveState.com> said] >[Dave wrote] >> I installed the ActivePython 2.4.2 binary on a clean 10.4 system. I >> also installed ipython 0.6.15. ipython complains there is no readline >> support. I did find a readline.so file in >> >> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/ >> >> and ipython seems to be using the 2.4.2 python version. >> >> How can I get readline to work, especially in ipython? Is there an >> obvious fix or should I perhaps uninstall the ActivePython version and >> use the 2.4.1 installer and related patches at >> http://undefined.org/python/ > >Currently the readline module is not in ActivePython builds. Mainly this >is due to licensing issues: readline is GPL, ActivePython is free as in >beer. I *do* want to make it a simple separate download to be able to >plop in readline support, but haven't yet had the chance. >You could either build the readline module to any Python 2.4 and plop >that in. Dropping in the readline.so from the Mac Python build should >work to. > >Sincerely, >Trent Thanks for the info Trent. When using ipython it's very much necessary to have readline support. In my case I really only use the arrow keys and tab but I suspect ipython would break if the full module was not provided. I was desperate and, lacking clues or documentation (even Google failed me), I uninstalled the ActiveState version and used the 2.4.1 installer. Frankly I really appreciated the uninstaller script and clear instructions that were part of the ActiveState distribution! Very few packages I've seen are so carefull. I'll probably try it again for a future update. Also, I and I'm sure many others would appreciate a separate download or a few README comments on how to get readline installed if it's needed. For future reference and for the benefit of other readers, I'm still unclear on how to actually get readline working. I had tried to build readline (twice, once standalone using make and once using darwinports) and it seemed to work but I don't know where to place it. This is for OS X but, in general for unix systems how can you tell where a library is supposed to be located? Is there any standard or convention? I tried a few places including /lib-dynload but ipython still complained and I got those telltale '[]^' codes when I tried to use arrow keys. I'm not done with installs. I tried to install matplotlib from source to get a current version. That went equally as well (i.e., bad), possibly for similar reasons, but that's another story. Meanwhile the old machine with rock-solid 10.3.9 and all the python 2.3 toys is quietly enjoying the show. -- Dave

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NotebookCtrl Widget Problem On Mac FIXED!!
by SPE Stani's Python Editor Nov. 30, 2005

Nov. 30, 2005

Hi Andrea, Thanks to SPE Mac users who sponsered SPE with a Mini Mac, I was able to debug your control with winpdb debugger. So now the light is green to get your control into SPE. After plunging in the code, I managed to get the control working. The problem is that wxMac doesn't seem to support the wx.DefaultSize (-1,-1) which is always transformed in (0,0). So setting the size to like wx.Size(28,28) solves the issue. I'll email you privately with the patch. I'm not sure if it is 100% stable. I found some bugs, which I also will send to you. For those who like to see the screenshot: http://pythonide.stani.be/images/NotebookCtrl.png Best regards, Stani -- http://pythonide.stani.be http://pythonide.stani.be/manual/html/manual.html

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readline support in ActivePython 2.4.2?
by Dave Nov. 30, 2005

Nov. 30, 2005

I installed the ActivePython 2.4.2 binary on a clean 10.4 system. I also installed ipython 0.6.15. ipython complains there is no readline support. I did find a readline.so file in /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/ and ipython seems to be using the 2.4.2 python version. How can I get readline to work, especially in ipython? Is there an obvious fix or should I perhaps uninstall the ActivePython version and use the 2.4.1 installer and related patches at http://undefined.org/python/ -- David

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min library
by Zhi Peng Nov. 30, 2005

Nov. 30, 2005

Hi! All Recently I am back to window platform and try the same as I had in MAc. But win does not have python installed as default. I call python function from my C code, but I would like to have min python library installed on win platform. Is there tool that I can use to strip extra python code , libraries, etc on window platform? Thanks Zhi --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

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Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Selecting in BBEdit & Python Indenting
by Ryan Wilcox Nov. 30, 2005

Nov. 30, 2005

On 11/29/05, at 9:03 PM, pythonmac-sig-request(a)python.org said: >Yes, it is, but it really doesn't do python indenting quite right. >These days, all python code really should be indented with 4 spaces, >and while you can set BBedit to put in 4 spaces when you hit the tab >key, it doesn't recognize those four spaces as a single level of >indentation when you want to delete them, requiring four hits of the >backspace key. There's always the Shift Left and Shift Right command (under the Text menu). Yes, I know it's not a real solution, but it's better than hitting delete four times. Hmm... another idea would be to write a script and attach it to BBEdit's Save item so that it automatically performs Detab on your source code. Write in tabs, have it automagically convert to spaces. Such a script is below: --name this "File•Save" and put it in the --~/Library/BBEdit/Menu Scripts on MenuSelect(menuName, menuItem) tell application "BBEdit" set myName to name of document 1 if myName contains ".py" then --python file!!!! detab text document 1 tab width 4 end if end tell return false --do the save operation end MenuSelect HTH, _Ryan Wilcox -- Wilcox Development Solutions: <http://www.wilcoxd.com> Toolsmiths for the Internet Age PGP: 0x2F4E9C31

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Preferred IDE
by mark hill Nov. 30, 2005

Nov. 30, 2005

I would appreciate any recommendations as to which IDE to use on OS X. I understand that the MacPythonIDE has ceased development, and was advised to ask which IDE people are now using. I'm after something fairly lite. A module browser, basic file management etc. are all that are required, plus any other must have features that I don't know about, as I'm just getting into Python. Many thanks, Mark Hill. __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

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