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I think that we should be cleaning stereochemistry from this center:
(The SMILES is C=C1C[C@H]2CC(=C)C[C@@H](C1)[C@H]2C). Inverting the central "stereocenter" here wouldn't be a new molecule, it would just be a rotation of the same molecule.
I think this is analogous to C[C@@H]([C@@H](C)O)[C@@H](C)O - we do clean stereo on that molecule, it becomes CC([C@@H](C)O)[C@@H](C)O on SMILES round-trip through RDKit:
Raising as an "issue" rather than a PR because I want a sanity check first.
This is relevant to some performance work that @ricrogz is doing in the CIPLabeler. It was having some trouble with molecules like the first example here... But I think it shouldn't even have been doing anything!
I think that if the atom truly wasn't stereo at all, it shouldn't matter if that parity is present or not, the same way that it doesn't matter if we specify an "extra" parity in C[C@H](C)C: the central atom is not chiral (or pseudochiral), so adding the parity (or not cleaning it up) has no effect at all.
But for the case you presented, it seems to have some influence:
(the representation is from CDK Depict, which uses the original implementation from https://github.com/SiMolecule/centres, to avoid any doubts about RDKit's particular implementation of the parities or CIP labeling)
The stereocenter itself is not stereo on the global level, but it seems to be when considering the local environment to use it as an auxiliary reference when resolving the stereo labels of the bridgehead atoms (since the stereo labels change when the parity is removed).
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ricrogz commentedon Oct 1, 2026
I think that if the atom truly wasn't stereo at all, it shouldn't matter if that parity is present or not, the same way that it doesn't matter if we specify an "extra" parity in
C[C@H](C)C: the central atom is not chiral (or pseudochiral), so adding the parity (or not cleaning it up) has no effect at all.But for the case you presented, it seems to have some influence:
(the representation is from CDK Depict, which uses the original implementation from https://github.com/SiMolecule/centres, to avoid any doubts about RDKit's particular implementation of the parities or CIP labeling)
The stereocenter itself is not stereo on the global level, but it seems to be when considering the local environment to use it as an auxiliary reference when resolving the stereo labels of the bridgehead atoms (since the stereo labels change when the parity is removed).