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Should Puan, Cik and Tuan read as salutations under a Malay choice? (Puan Hajah Ara binti Mohamed gives given Puan) #1179
#606 decided on 2026-10-04 to leave out two Malay salutations: puan ("Malay Mrs., and an Indonesian given name (Puan Maharani)") and cik ("Malay Miss: unverified"). In Malaysian official writing they are among the commonest words in a name:
Input
title
given
middle
family
Puan Hajah Ara binti Mohamed
''
Puan
Hajah Ara
binti Mohamed
Cik Mariam binti Md Salleh
''
Cik
Mariam binti Md
Salleh
Tuan Haji Lukeman bin Saaid
''
Tuan
Haji Lukeman
bin Saaid
(Measured on master ccaf6ad. Mariam binti Md Salleh's split chain is #1177.)
Measured (2026-11-08) on the 2015 King's birthday honours list (The Star, 1,504 names in official style): Puan stands in the title run of 295 names, the largest single gap in the list, Cik of 11 and Tuan of 39. Encik, which ships, stands in 606, and reads as a title in all of them.
Proposal
When: the parse is under a choice of ms.
Then:puan, cik and tuan are salutations. Each is a default = false reading in ms.toml, so the default and an Indonesian choice keep Puan Maharani as a given name.
Because: the given name that kept puan out is Indonesian, and a Malay choice declares Malaysian names. The same shape as #1161 (M. under a French choice).
The defaults this keeps
tuan is also a Vietnamese given name (Tuấn written without diacritics). Simulated as a default title, Tuan Nguyen reads title Tuan, family Nguyen. So it can't be a default even where puan might be argued.
Open questions
cik's exclusion said "unverified". The list verifies it as Miss, written before women's names (Cik Nadiah binti Ahmad Tajuddin). Is that enough?
Tuan is also a hereditary title, repeated before the father's name (Encik Tuan Mat bin Tuan Wil). There it is part of the name, so even under the choice, should a Tuan after another salutation stay a name word?
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