Should an is pack fill patronymic from an Icelandic name? Guðrún Sigurðardóttir gives family Sigurðardóttir, patronymic '' #1074

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   Measured on the Alþingi's list of every member since 1845 (althingi.is/altext/xml/thingmenn/, 1,269 distinct names, 2026-11-08), plus the Icelandic ORCID records the default disagrees with. All of this bears on the pack's rule rather than on the default, which reads 1,267 of the 1,269 with the last word as family and no title or suffix. 1,173 end in -son or -dóttir, and 148 in an inherited family name (Thoroddsen, Blöndal, Briem, Haarde).

   1. The patronymic is not always the last word. The proposed rule reads the family word only, so it misses a patronymic followed by a family name:

   Input	middle	family
   Kolbeinn Óttarsson Proppé	Óttarsson	Proppé
   Diljá Ámundadóttir Zoega	Ámundadóttir	Zoega

   ORCID shows how the bearers file it. Of the 101 Icelandic records whose boxes the default parse disagrees with, 9 put a patronymic followed by a family name in their own family box (Olafsson Waage, Guðmundsdóttir Beck, Skúlason Kaldal, Freysdóttir Njarðvík). So there are two questions here: whether patronymic reads the middle word in this shape, and whether the family is both words, as two_family_names makes it for Spanish.

   2. Two parent names (open question 2). Both shapes occur:

   • matronymic and patronymic, or two patronymics: Arndís Anna Kristínardóttir Gunnarsdóttir, Lilja Hrönn Önnudóttir Hrannarsdóttir, Hermann Jónsson Bragason; in ORCID's family boxes Ástudóttir Kristjánsdóttir, Halldórsdóttir Gudjonsson.
   • the mother's name in the genitive before the patronymic: Inga Björk Margrétar Bjarnadóttir, Kolbrún Áslaugar Baldursdóttir, Jana Salóme Ingibjargar Jósepsdóttir; in ORCID Sólveigar Guðmundsdóttir, Jóhönnu Brynjarsdóttir, Soffíu Björgvinsdóttir. This one carries no -dóttir, so an ending rule cannot see it, and today it reads as a middle name.

   3. The ending's cost inside Icelandic, not only Nelson. Four women in the list have an inherited family name ending in -son: Ingibjörg H. Bjarnason, Hanna Katrín Friðriksson, Anna Ólafsdóttir Björnsson and Kristjana M Thorsteinsson. Under the rule each would fill patronymic, and nothing in the writing says otherwise. The Danish-form names (Thoroddsen, Mathiesen, Johnsen) end in -sen, so the rule does not reach them.

   4. St. as a middle name written short. Icelanders shorten middle names to two or three letters (Kr., Th., Jóh., Fr.), and every one in the list reads as a middle name except St., which the Saint reading joins to the family:

   Input	middle	family
   Ingunn St. Svavarsdóttir	''	St. Svavarsdóttir

   It is the shape of Mary St. Clair, so not something the default can change. A choice of is could if is.toml held a reading of st that turns the Saint reading off, as the cs, hr and sk files do with their default = false generation readings.

   The place-name shape (Jónas Jónsson frá Hriflu) is a separate question, filed as #1176.
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