The numbers
Same model (SmolLM2-135M-Instruct Q8_0), same QuantPolicy.NATIVE_OPTIMIZED, same
commonMain inference code, SKaiNET 0.38.0:
| Platform |
Decode speed |
One 44-token generation |
| JVM desktop (Apple Silicon, JDK 21, Vector API) |
21 tok/s |
~2 s |
| Android, physical phone |
1.0 tok/s |
~44 s |
| iOS simulator (Apple Silicon) |
0.11 tok/s |
~6 min |
Output is correct everywhere — this is purely a kernel-availability gap, and it is
what keeps our shipped app's AI feature switched off on phones (we gate on
3 tok/s at startup; both mobile platforms fail the gate). Roughly 200x between JVM
and Kotlin/Native on comparable CPUs.
Why it happens
skainet-backend-native-cpu publishes only -jvm, -linuxx64, -linuxarm64.
There is no Apple or Android artifact, Android has no java.lang.foreign / Vector
API, and every non-JVM PlatformCpuOpsFactory actual registers only
ScalarKernelProvider (priority 0). So both mobile platforms run scalar Kotlin
matmul while the JVM gets SIMD.
Why this is closer than it looks
Most of the hard part already exists in-tree:
- The C kernels (
native/src/*.c) are portable C11 with NEON bodies gated on
__ARM_NEON / __ARM_FEATURE_DOTPROD — fp32, q8_0, q4k, q5k, q6k — and carry an
"AARCH64-VERIFIED" banner: parity-checked under qemu-aarch64 and on a physical
Cortex-A55, -march=armv8.2-a+fp16+dotprod, deliberately no +i8mm.
CMakeLists.txt keys the -march flags off CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR, which NDK
and Apple toolchains both set correctly — the flags come for free.
- The Kotlin/Native side (
NativeKnKernelProvider + wrappers + the nativeTest
parity tests) lives in target-agnostic nativeMain/nativeTest and should
compile for Apple/Android-native targets unchanged.
- The publish workflow already runs on a macOS runner.
What actually needs doing
We'd suggest two tracks, iOS first (it reuses the verified K/N cinterop path
as-is), Android second (different mechanism needed — see below).
Track A — Apple (iosArm64, iosSimulatorArm64, ideally macosArm64):
- Fix the cinterop packaging gap first — this one matters beyond mobile.
skainet_kernels.def declares no staticLibraries/libraryPaths; the archive
is attached via binaries.all { linkerOpts(...) }, which does not travel to
consumers. As published, the K/N klibs carry bindings but no machine code, so a
downstream app can't link — this already affects the published -linuxarm64
artifact today. Either embed staticLibraries in the .def or ship the archive
in the klib. (Happy to split this into its own issue if you prefer.)
- Apple CMake invocations:
-DCMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME=iOS against the iphoneos /
iphonesimulator SDKs (+ macosArm64), one cmake-build-<target> dir and a
configure/build/package task triple each, mirroring the existing -PcrossArm64
pattern.
- Registration: K/N has no ServiceLoader;
installNativeKernels() is a manual
call, and PlatformCpuOpsFactory.apple.kt currently registers only the scalar
provider. Needs a small design decision (documented startup call vs a hook), and
ideally composes with the existing AccelerateCpuOps (vDSP dense FP32) so Apple
gets NEON quant kernels and Accelerate FP32 rather than all-or-nothing.
- CI: Apple legs in
publish.yml's build-native matrix and an
iosSimulatorArm64Test lane (currently the only automatable way to exercise the
iOS NEON path).
Track B — Android:
Real Android apps (ART/Compose) can't consume androidNativeArm64 klibs — that
target only serves pure Kotlin/Native binaries. The practical route is a small JNI
bridge: an AAR module with externalNativeBuild over the same C sources, jniLibs
for arm64-v8a, thin JNI shims per kernel, and a priority-100 KernelProvider in
androidMain registered from PlatformCpuOpsFactory.android.kt. It works against
the existing heap FloatArray/ByteArray kernel SPI, no storage redesign needed.
(If the K/N androidNativeArm64 route is wanted anyway, note
skainet-backend-api doesn't declare androidNative targets yet, while
skainet-lang-core already does.)
Small kernel gap for either track: q4_0_matmul.c is scalar-only (no NEON
body), while q8_0/q4k/q5k/q6k have one. Q4_0 is one of the priority mobile formats,
so it deserves a NEON body as part of this work.
Scale of the ask
At 1 tok/s on Android we need roughly 5x to be usable, not the full 21x the JVM
gets — even a partial result unblocks real apps. Related: #910 (vectorized eager
CPU kernels for K/N), #722 (accelerated CPU ops for linux native targets).
We have a physical-device test bench (Android phone + iPhone) and will gladly test
any branch or snapshot and report numbers back. Happy to contribute PRs for the
tracks above, starting with the cinterop packaging fix.
The numbers
Same model (SmolLM2-135M-Instruct Q8_0), same
QuantPolicy.NATIVE_OPTIMIZED, samecommonMain inference code, SKaiNET 0.38.0:
Output is correct everywhere — this is purely a kernel-availability gap, and it is
what keeps our shipped app's AI feature switched off on phones (we gate on
3 tok/s at startup; both mobile platforms fail the gate). Roughly 200x between JVM
and Kotlin/Native on comparable CPUs.
Why it happens
skainet-backend-native-cpupublishes only-jvm,-linuxx64,-linuxarm64.There is no Apple or Android artifact, Android has no
java.lang.foreign/ VectorAPI, and every non-JVM
PlatformCpuOpsFactoryactual registers onlyScalarKernelProvider(priority 0). So both mobile platforms run scalar Kotlinmatmul while the JVM gets SIMD.
Why this is closer than it looks
Most of the hard part already exists in-tree:
native/src/*.c) are portable C11 with NEON bodies gated on__ARM_NEON/__ARM_FEATURE_DOTPROD— fp32, q8_0, q4k, q5k, q6k — and carry an"AARCH64-VERIFIED" banner: parity-checked under qemu-aarch64 and on a physical
Cortex-A55,
-march=armv8.2-a+fp16+dotprod, deliberately no+i8mm.CMakeLists.txtkeys the-marchflags offCMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR, which NDKand Apple toolchains both set correctly — the flags come for free.
NativeKnKernelProvider+ wrappers + the nativeTestparity tests) lives in target-agnostic
nativeMain/nativeTestand shouldcompile for Apple/Android-native targets unchanged.
What actually needs doing
We'd suggest two tracks, iOS first (it reuses the verified K/N cinterop path
as-is), Android second (different mechanism needed — see below).
Track A — Apple (iosArm64, iosSimulatorArm64, ideally macosArm64):
skainet_kernels.defdeclares nostaticLibraries/libraryPaths; the archiveis attached via
binaries.all { linkerOpts(...) }, which does not travel toconsumers. As published, the K/N klibs carry bindings but no machine code, so a
downstream app can't link — this already affects the published
-linuxarm64artifact today. Either embed
staticLibrariesin the.defor ship the archivein the klib. (Happy to split this into its own issue if you prefer.)
-DCMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME=iOSagainst theiphoneos/iphonesimulatorSDKs (+ macosArm64), onecmake-build-<target>dir and aconfigure/build/package task triple each, mirroring the existing
-PcrossArm64pattern.
installNativeKernels()is a manualcall, and
PlatformCpuOpsFactory.apple.ktcurrently registers only the scalarprovider. Needs a small design decision (documented startup call vs a hook), and
ideally composes with the existing
AccelerateCpuOps(vDSP dense FP32) so Applegets NEON quant kernels and Accelerate FP32 rather than all-or-nothing.
publish.yml's build-native matrix and aniosSimulatorArm64Testlane (currently the only automatable way to exercise theiOS NEON path).
Track B — Android:
Real Android apps (ART/Compose) can't consume
androidNativeArm64klibs — thattarget only serves pure Kotlin/Native binaries. The practical route is a small JNI
bridge: an AAR module with
externalNativeBuildover the same C sources,jniLibsfor
arm64-v8a, thin JNI shims per kernel, and a priority-100KernelProviderinandroidMainregistered fromPlatformCpuOpsFactory.android.kt. It works againstthe existing heap
FloatArray/ByteArraykernel SPI, no storage redesign needed.(If the K/N
androidNativeArm64route is wanted anyway, noteskainet-backend-apidoesn't declare androidNative targets yet, whileskainet-lang-corealready does.)Small kernel gap for either track:
q4_0_matmul.cis scalar-only (no NEONbody), while q8_0/q4k/q5k/q6k have one. Q4_0 is one of the priority mobile formats,
so it deserves a NEON body as part of this work.
Scale of the ask
At 1 tok/s on Android we need roughly 5x to be usable, not the full 21x the JVM
gets — even a partial result unblocks real apps. Related: #910 (vectorized eager
CPU kernels for K/N), #722 (accelerated CPU ops for linux native targets).
We have a physical-device test bench (Android phone + iPhone) and will gladly test
any branch or snapshot and report numbers back. Happy to contribute PRs for the
tracks above, starting with the cinterop packaging fix.