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The committee agreed to a new PSWindowsNativeCommandArgPassing experimental feature. When this feature is enabled:

  • On Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Windows
  • Non-Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Standard

When this feature is disabled:

  • On Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Legacy
  • Non-Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Standard

Additionally, new telemetry metric will be added for native command execution to inform the mode being used.

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You can use PSVersionInfo.PSCurrentVersion.PreReleaseLabel to detect whether it's a stable version.

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This change makes stable and preview releases have different default behavior on native argument passing. Won't that inconsistency cause any problems and confusions to the preview adopters? If we choose to do this on purpose, then doc needs to be updated to reflect this inconsistency.

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SteveL-MSFT commented Dec 2, 2022

@daxian-dbw the difference between stable and preview is deliberate as to prioritize compat for stable while ensuring we have the new desired behavior in preview to continue to get feedback. Maybe an option we can take here to make this more clear is to wrap it in a new Experimental Feature. Specifically, Windows mode is experimental.

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I understand there will be difference between stable and preview versions. However, the native arg passing feature is already official, so making an official feature behave differently seems confusing.

Introducing a new experimental feature for the different arg passing behavior in preview versions sounds like a good idea. A doc issue needs to be opened for the new experimental feature.

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@daxian-dbw We should probably advertise that Windows mode is still experimental and changes will continue until we can get to an acceptable level of compatibility

@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher changed the title WIP:Set default native arg passing to Legacy on Windows. Set default native arg passing to Legacy on Windows. Dec 6, 2022
@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher changed the title Set default native arg passing to Legacy on Windows. WIP:Set default native arg passing to Legacy on Windows. Dec 6, 2022
@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher force-pushed the WindowNativeArgumentDefaults branch from 4788f33 to 11e8a6b Compare December 6, 2022 22:29
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This pull request has been automatically marked as Review Needed because it has been there has not been any activity for 7 days.
Maintainer, please provide feedback and/or mark it as Waiting on Author

@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher force-pushed the WindowNativeArgumentDefaults branch from 11e8a6b to 647eabe Compare January 23, 2023 19:45
@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher changed the title WIP:Set default native arg passing to Legacy on Windows. Set default native arg passing to Legacy on Windows. Jan 23, 2023
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@PowerShell/powershell-committee Please review this PR and decide whether this PR should be closed or accepted.

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SteveL-MSFT commented May 10, 2023

@PowerShell/powershell-committee discussed this. We agreed to a new PSWindowsNativeCommandArgPassing experimental feature. When this feature is enabled:

  • On Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Windows
  • Non-Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Standard

When this feature is disabled:

  • On Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Legacy
  • Non-Windows
    • $PSNativeCommandArgumentPassing = Standard

Additionally, new telemetry metric will be added for native command execution to inform the mode being used.

@SteveL-MSFT SteveL-MSFT added Committee-Reviewed PS-Committee has reviewed this and made a decision and removed Review - Committee The PR/Issue needs a review from the PowerShell Committee labels May 10, 2023
@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher force-pushed the WindowNativeArgumentDefaults branch from 647eabe to 4e1f2d5 Compare May 10, 2023 21:59
@StevenBucher98 StevenBucher98 added the PowerShell-Docs needed The PR was reviewed and a PowerShell Docs update is needed label May 15, 2023
@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher force-pushed the WindowNativeArgumentDefaults branch from 5038016 to 8d88665 Compare June 6, 2023 16:09
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LGTM

@daxian-dbw daxian-dbw added CL-Engine Indicates that a PR should be marked as an engine change in the Change Log and removed Review - Needed The PR is being reviewed Needs-Triage The issue is new and needs to be triaged by a work group. labels Jun 19, 2023
@JamesWTruher JamesWTruher force-pushed the WindowNativeArgumentDefaults branch from 29c58b1 to b37a98b Compare June 19, 2023 22:57
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ghost commented Jun 29, 2023

🎉v7.4.0-preview.4 has been released which incorporates this pull request.:tada:

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So the default behavior in 7.2 is Legacy, then in 7.3 it's Windows, now it's going to be Legacy in 7.4 unless an experimental feature is enabled which makes it into Windows by default unless you set a new variable to Legacy, do I have that right?

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TravisEz13 commented Jul 12, 2023

@ImportTaste, this is marked to backport to 7.3.

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@PowerShell/powershell-committee Are we okay with making this change to 7.3 after it has been release?

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SteveL-MSFT commented Sep 7, 2023

PS-Committee decided to make this feature stable in 7.4, so the default will be Windows in 7.4. Based on the telemetry, it seems that most Windows (like 99%) have not changed the default in 7.4 previews to Legacy or Standard. As such, there is no reason to backport to 7.3 which will be supported for just 1 more year.

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it seems that most Windows (like 99%) have not changed the default in 7.4 previews to Legacy or Standard

What's the difference between Windows and Standard on Windows?

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