STV to axe north news programme

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  • albundy73albundy73 Posts: 2,275
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    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc
  • Steven OliverSteven Oliver Posts: 2,224
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    edited 16/12/25 - 18:07 #228
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Happened before, back in the late-noughties, when the Border and Tyne Tees regions were merged - a move so unpopular that they were separated again a few years later.
  • steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 11,290
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    edited 16/12/25 - 19:16 #229
    commseng wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.
    Yes the Welsh language is a requirement - but sometimes looks a little odd.
    Maybe to have it in Gaelic would have been more sensible here, although I doubt the STV programme has any Gaelic language even for the Aberdeen and Highlands opt-out?

    Not anymore though they used to have at least one 30minute Gaelic show each week.
  • steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 11,290
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    edited 16/12/25 - 19:24 #230
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Of course it’s the thin end of the wedge.Soon they will allow one show for the Midlands,one for the South and South East of England and so on.Ofcom to me is basically like all the other bodies that claim to protect the interests of the public when really they are all about protecting the big businesses,I have as much faith in them as those that claim to be keeping our water and energy bills down.I think we are all being taken for a ride,even when there has been bad management involved the companies responsible seem to me more often than not to come out on top.
  • SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 15,213
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    edited 16/12/25 - 19:28 #231
    steepdrop wrote: »
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Of course it’s the thin end of the wedge.Soon they will allow one show for the Midlands,one for the South and South East of England and so on.Ofcom to me is basically like all the other bodies that claim to protect the interests of the public when really they are all about protecting the big businesses,I have as much faith in them as those that claim to be keeping our water and energy bills down.I think we are all being taken for a ride,even when there has been bad management involved the companies responsible seem to me more often than not to come out on top.

    ITV already had that between 2009-13. It wasn't as popular so they suggested to Ofcom that they would go back to sub regions but using the same presenters to keep costs down.

    How many people complained about ATV Today or Day By Day when they were covering those regions with one programme?
  • RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 35,102
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    steepdrop wrote: »
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Of course it’s the thin end of the wedge.Soon they will allow one show for the Midlands,one for the South and South East of England and so on.Ofcom to me is basically like all the other bodies that claim to protect the interests of the public when really they are all about protecting the big businesses,I have as much faith in them as those that claim to be keeping our water and energy bills down.I think we are all being taken for a ride,even when there has been bad management involved the companies responsible seem to me more often than not to come out on top.

    Spot on.
  • RichardcoulterRichardcoulter Posts: 35,102
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    edited 16/12/25 - 19:34 #233
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    Are STV able to do this without consequence? Weren't Teletext LTD fined for handing back their franchise before it's expiry date when it became loss making (even though this was cheaper than continuing the loss making servuce)?
  • SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 15,213
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    edited 16/12/25 - 19:46 #234
    steepdrop wrote: »
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Of course it’s the thin end of the wedge.Soon they will allow one show for the Midlands,one for the South and South East of England and so on.Ofcom to me is basically like all the other bodies that claim to protect the interests of the public when really they are all about protecting the big businesses,I have as much faith in them as those that claim to be keeping our water and energy bills down.I think we are all being taken for a ride,even when there has been bad management involved the companies responsible seem to me more often than not to come out on top.

    Spot on.

    What happens if ITV plc hand the channel 3 licences back? Who is producing regional news then apart from the BBC?

    What if a Comcast owned ITV isn't interested in keeping hold of Channel 3 under the current terms?
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    Are STV able to do this without consequence? Weren't Teletext LTD fined for handing back their franchise before it's expiry date when it became loss making?

    I think Teletext Ltd were fined because they pulled the plug on the service. Something similar happened with Absolute Radio's national AM licence.

    An FM radio licence in Ceredigion has recently been formally handed back to Ofcom with no financial consequences so I assume the same applies to TV licences.

    I believe the fine for Teletext Ltd was lower than the projected loss if they had carried on the service for the rest of the licence period.
  • Mark CMark C Posts: 25,626
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    edited 16/12/25 - 19:38 #235
    SouthCity wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Of course it’s the thin end of the wedge.Soon they will allow one show for the Midlands,one for the South and South East of England and so on.Ofcom to me is basically like all the other bodies that claim to protect the interests of the public when really they are all about protecting the big businesses,I have as much faith in them as those that claim to be keeping our water and energy bills down.I think we are all being taken for a ride,even when there has been bad management involved the companies responsible seem to me more often than not to come out on top.

    ITV already had that between 2009-13. It wasn't as popular so they suggested to Ofcom that they would go back to sub regions but using the same presenters to keep costs down.

    How many people complained about ATV Today or Day By Day when they were covering those regions with one programme?

    To be fair IIRC Day By Day had split 'Hard News' bulletins at the top of the show, (pre recorded in Southampton for Kent/E Sussex) and a full split on Weds and Fridays (Scene South East presented from Dover).

    ATV News though was indeed the same on all transmitters
  • pakokelso93pakokelso93 Posts: 11,224
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    So with the update, it looks as though it's similar to the ITV regional changes 2009. Pan-Regional programme with an opt-out of 10-ish mins one live / one pre-rec. Slightly suprised at the dropping of separate late bulletins that each ITV sub-region gets.
  • neysneys Posts: 6,111
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    edited 16/12/25 - 20:20 #237
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    Ofcom as at times are a joke and just seem to do what the broadcaster wants.
    I gave up watching the STV News a 6 months ago.
    Sa posted I never knew it also included the loss of the opt out pars of the news.
    That would would be a shame and think they should have kept the news opt outs. For older people that may not have internet.
    I now get most of my local/regional news from the radio or at times online.
  • AndyCAndyC Posts: 172
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    SouthCity wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    albundy73 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    So if Ofcom approve this how long before ITVplc ask them to approve merged news for Central Yorkhire etc

    Of course it’s the thin end of the wedge.Soon they will allow one show for the Midlands,one for the South and South East of England and so on.Ofcom to me is basically like all the other bodies that claim to protect the interests of the public when really they are all about protecting the big businesses,I have as much faith in them as those that claim to be keeping our water and energy bills down.I think we are all being taken for a ride,even when there has been bad management involved the companies responsible seem to me more often than not to come out on top.

    ITV already had that between 2009-13. It wasn't as popular so they suggested to Ofcom that they would go back to sub regions but using the same presenters to keep costs down.

    How many people complained about ATV Today or Day By Day when they were covering those regions with one programme?

    plenty of people in the east midlands complained about what was seen as a Birmingham-centric programme in ATV Today in the 1970s, it's one of the reasons that ATV lost its franchise and Central were required to create a separate east mids programme
  • steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 11,290
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    edited 17/12/25 - 09:44 #239
    SouthCity wrote: »
    commseng wrote: »
    Today OFCOM have published the original request from STV plus the revised request and also opened the consultation process.
    Also available in Welsh for all the Scottish based Welsh speakers. (To late to comment on Teledu Cymru and TWW's merger).

    https://ofcom.cmail20.com/t/i-l-zakjdy-jtluhljrq-j/

    It's a requirement of the Welsh Language Act that Ofcom make everything available in Welsh, whether it relates specifically to Wales or not.

    Ofcom say they are proposing to approve STV's request. I think their biggest fear is STV handing back the north licence and Ofcom having to deal with the consequences.

    Are STV able to do this without consequence? Weren't Teletext LTD fined for handing back their franchise before it's expiry date when it became loss making (even though this was cheaper than continuing the loss making servuce)?

    If Ofcom agree there will be no penalty just like when the commercial radio stations and now the BBC get their proposed cuts to local radio waved through.I’ve seen so many reductions and cancellations of great programmes in recent years,the drip drip away from quality content in this field continues and frankly I’ve just about given up.
  • GeorgeS_2GeorgeS_2 Posts: 18,464
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    edited 17/12/25 - 11:00 #240
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!
  • SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 15,213
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    edited 17/12/25 - 12:32 #241
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.
  • Mark CMark C Posts: 25,626
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    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    Police Scotland is a very recent thing, last century, and part of this is was a patchwork of individual forces, just like in England.

    The BBC Nations have never been spilt into regions for TV, and only on a limited basis for radio. I thought it was a 'Charter' thing that they are not ?
  • David_VaughanDavid_Vaughan Posts: 2,157
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    edited 17/12/25 - 12:50 #243
    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    The political programme once a month is the Meridian one in the channel islands.
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    edited 17/12/25 - 12:54 #244
    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK channelso I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    The political programme once a month is the Meridian one in the channel islands.

    Channel ITV has always been an opt out of whatever Meridian, or TVS choose to screen. Pre 1986 it was Westward/TSW.

    We all know it was tied to being reliant on the off air reception from the mainland for non local programmes and ads, but interesting in this day of fibre and IP etc, it is still tied to Meridian in the same way (albeit fed directly by fibre from Red Bee)
  • steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 11,290
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    edited 17/12/25 - 13:20 #245
    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    Grampian / STV North was set up as a separate region so I don’t see why what the BBC does has anything to do with the decision,especially as STV and ITV recently agreed licence terms terms for the next ten years.Now it appears that just one year into that that all local programmes may well all be watered down (you don’t say one franchise can do it and then refuse to let the others follow) simply because it doesn’t suit STV who are quite happy to spend half a million or more setting up a new pop radio station when those needs are already adequately provided for elsewhere.
  • SouthCitySouthCity Posts: 15,213
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    steepdrop wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    Grampian / STV North was set up as a separate region so I don’t see why what the BBC does has anything to do with the decision,especially as STV and ITV recently agreed licence terms terms for the next ten years.Now it appears that just one year into that that all local programmes may well all be watered down (you don’t say one franchise can do it and then refuse to let the others follow) simply because it doesn’t suit STV who are quite happy to spend half a million or more setting up a new pop radio station when those needs are already adequately provided for elsewhere.

    That radio station will more than cover its costs within a couple of years, especially if they do those premium rate cash call giveaways.
  • GeorgeS_2GeorgeS_2 Posts: 18,464
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    SouthCity wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    Grampian / STV North was set up as a separate region so I don’t see why what the BBC does has anything to do with the decision,especially as STV and ITV recently agreed licence terms terms for the next ten years.Now it appears that just one year into that that all local programmes may well all be watered down (you don’t say one franchise can do it and then refuse to let the others follow) simply because it doesn’t suit STV who are quite happy to spend half a million or more setting up a new pop radio station when those needs are already adequately provided for elsewhere.

    That radio station will more than cover its costs within a couple of years, especially if they do those premium rate cash call giveaways.

    Maybe it will or maybe it won’t. Stand alone radio stations aren’t really a thing anymore. Stv’s history of diversification is woeful - football clubs, radio previously, newspapers and god knows what else too
  • steepdropsteepdrop Posts: 11,290
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    edited 17/12/25 - 17:10 #248
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    steepdrop wrote: »
    SouthCity wrote: »
    GeorgeS_2 wrote: »
    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    Grampian / STV North was set up as a separate region so I don’t see why what the BBC does has anything to do with the decision,especially as STV and ITV recently agreed licence terms terms for the next ten years.Now it appears that just one year into that that all local programmes may well all be watered down (you don’t say one franchise can do it and then refuse to let the others follow) simply because it doesn’t suit STV who are quite happy to spend half a million or more setting up a new pop radio station when those needs are already adequately provided for elsewhere.

    That radio station will more than cover its costs within a couple of years, especially if they do those premium rate cash call giveaways.

    Maybe it will or maybe it won’t. Stand alone radio stations aren’t really a thing anymore. Stv’s history of diversification is woeful - football clubs, radio previously, newspapers and god knows what else too

    If it’s bound to be such a surefire winner one wonders why they are doing it now rather than over the last few years when they could have picked up more disgruntled listeners who had deserted other stations who made changes,seems a rather desperate move to me and at a time when they seek to make big cuts elsewhere in their core business.
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    Could you end up with 1 Scotland programme with an 8 min opt for edinburgh Dundee and Aberdeen to leave and then come back in later these could be recorded in a similar way to itv with their services. Scotland tonight would do the same so newsgathering in the north presentation in glasgow
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    How are itv still able to make a separate news programme for the Channel Islands but stv can’t for the north of Scotland franchise area? It looks like epic mismanagement by stv that has got them into the trouble they are in now

    How about Ofcom only agree to the proposal if the current STV management are removed? Lets see how fast stv would find another way if that were put to them!

    The Channel Islands are not part of the UK so I can see why taking Meridian or Westcountry isn't appropriate, particularly the political news. The viewers have no interest in what's going on at Westminster.

    The BBC are allowed to provide one programme for the whole of Scotland because a lot of the administrative bodies (e.g. Police Scotland) cover the whole country. There is no logical reason why Scotland should be split in three regions for channel 3, it's just that the ITA set it up that way. Wales & Northern Ireland have one programme each.

    Grampian / STV North was set up as a separate region so I don’t see why what the BBC does has anything to do with the decision,especially as STV and ITV recently agreed licence terms terms for the next ten years.Now it appears that just one year into that that all local programmes may well all be watered down (you don’t say one franchise can do it and then refuse to let the others follow) simply because it doesn’t suit STV who are quite happy to spend half a million or more setting up a new pop radio station when those needs are already adequately provided for elsewhere.

    That radio station will more than cover its costs within a couple of years, especially if they do those premium rate cash call giveaways.

    Maybe it will or maybe it won’t. Stand alone radio stations aren’t really a thing anymore. Stv’s history of diversification is woeful - football clubs, radio previously, newspapers and god knows what else too

    If it’s bound to be such a surefire winner one wonders why they are doing it now rather than over the last few years when they could have picked up more disgruntled listeners who had deserted other stations who made changes,seems a rather desperate move to me and at a time when they seek to make big cuts elsewhere in their core business.

    The answer is probably that they have hired someone who has experience of running successful commercial radio stations in Scotland, namely Graham Bryce. Without that expertise I guess they wouldn't have done it.
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