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Earmilk

Is Earmilk (website) a reliable source? Their about page (link) says "EARMILK is an online music publication based out of the United States & Canada which has an international appeal with its top cities being major metropolitan areas all over the world; topping that list – New York, Toronto, Los Angeles, London, Sydney, Chicago, Calgary, Paris, Vancouver and San Francisco" and "*NO ARTICLES ON THE EARMILK SITE ARE EVER PAY-FOR-PLAY. Any branded content will be appropriately recognized for full visibility and article assignments are authorized by the approval of the Managing Editor or Senior Editor only". With this logic, I assume it's reliable, but what do you guys think? Red Shell Momentum 02:39, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Do they have an ethics/editorial policy? Who are their writers? voorts (talk/contributions) 02:41, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have used them before on Natalie Sims. The team isn't listed anywhere but given the job openings and the mention of Managing and Senior Editors indicates there's some type of staff structure.--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 13:27, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I can't ensure that they're reliable but this site seems to be regarded as one of the professional review sites by other publications. [1] Camilasdandelions (✉️) 13:40, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Album of the Year is an aggregator. We don't determine reliability based on the sources used by aggregators. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:31, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources for your consideration

Here are some sources I'd like yall to discuss the reliability of:

1. Upset (2015-2023) OCLC 1064080731 (archived contacts page)

Former print and online magazine published by The Bunker, existed as a sister magazine to Dork and was later merged into it in late 2023. Edited by Stephen Ackroyd, deputy edited by Viki Sinden. Authors whom have written for/contributed to it include Ali Shutler (also associate editor: article example), Sam Taylor, Tyler Damara Kelly (example) and Steve Loftin (example). Albums rated on a 5-star basis ()

I would say Upset has a good roster. kelly has contributed to The Line of Best Fit, Shutler contributed to NME, and Taylor to Financial Times. But one thing is strange: I could not find any upset articles on Dork. Did I miss them or Dork deemed them subpar to preserve? In other mergers (The Guardian+The Observer/Louder Sound+Classic Rock) the the publications were eaten but their material preserved. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 14:17, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@LastJabberwocky It appears the upset website https://upsetmagazine.com (archived) was taken down in september 2023 and now redirects to https://readdork.com/upset/ . Also from my own experience researching stuff, not all of the magazine's contents were web archived completely, though they can still be accessed via issuu here. // Chchcheckit (talk) 15:47, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

also print copies can still be purchased at https://shop.upsetmagazine.com/ // Chchcheckit (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say the articles are subpar, moreso that data costs money ig? // Chchcheckit (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

2. Dead Rhetoric (2013-present) (staff page)

Online magazine owned, founded and edited by David E. Gehkle, who formerly edited Blistering and contributed to heavymetal.about.com and Metal Maniacs. He has also written several authorized biographies on various heavy metal artists/figures including Obituary (here), Scott Burns (here), and Death (here) Past/present writers/contributors include: Katarina McGinn (muckrack: deadname) previously wrote for several Australian newspapers, Bridget Erickson (example), Kelley Simms (example: has also written for Brave Words, here). I couldn't find a muckrack for content manager Matt Coe, although I did find this interview in which he claims to have written for several fanzines in the past. (note: authors are sometimes retroactively removed from credit and can only be found in archived webpages: this is nothing new, i've seen this at blabbermouth.net and consequence of sound; as long as courtesy searching is done). Albums rated out of 10 (i.e. 8.5/10)

Would both sources pass for WP:ALBUMS/SOURCES? I personally think Upset is an easy pass, not as confident (but hopeful) with Dead Rhetoric; you decide their fate(s).

// Chchcheckit (talk) 11:52, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Chchcheckit I think I've used Deadrhetoric before--3family6 (Talk to me|See what I have done) 15:42, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Help with duplicated references on Last Christmas

Sorry for the boring request. The Last Christmas article has been sitting with a "duplicated references" tag for a while. I've tried to fix this but when I dig into the source I can't find the duplicated references and this is the kind of Wikipedia work that makes me glaze over. Is anyone able to help? Popcornfud (talk) 14:10, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I'm taking a look at it now, I find it best to ctrl+f the URLs from the maintenance tag to find them... if they are still there. People may fix things without touching the maintenance tag. Rfl0216 (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a bunch! I only tried to fix a couple of the references and couldn't see where they were duplicated. Now I see the problem is that they weren't duplicated. I thought they were just buried in some template I couldn't figure out. Popcornfud (talk) 22:12, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Utopia (Gwenno Saunders album)#Requested move 26 January 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Utopia (Gwenno Saunders album)#Requested move 26 January 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 09:22, 2 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute at Talk:Fallen (Evanescence album)#Alternative metal

I am involved in a content dispute on Evanescence's debut album and am requesting further feedback from the community. mftp dan ^oops 14:20, 3 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on Talk:List of highest-grossing concert tours

If anybody want to participate on the discussion here about the highest-grossing tour of 2025. Bluesatellite (talk) 16:09, 3 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Anchors on Wikipedia:Notability (music)

If you're interested in commenting on a proposed approach to adding anchors to numbered sub-items in this policy, please join the discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)#Anchors. Thanks! WidgetKid ^{chat me} 22:32, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Countless song and album articles are misnamed

There was a discussion about this back in Jan 2024 that reached no conclusion. This has continued to bug the hell out of me and I'd like to resolve it.

Consider these article titles:

These are all incorrectly capitalized. The "The" before the band name should be lowercase, like this:

Zombie (the Cranberries song)
Friend of a Friend (the Smile song)
The Moment of Truth (the Real Milli Vanilli album)

In fact, there should probably be no "the" at all, like this:

Zombie (Cranberries song)
Friend of a Friend (Smile song)
The Moment of Truth (Real Milli Vanilli album)

This is for the following reasons:

Per MOS:THEBAND, we do not capitalize definite article ("the") in band names. So we write the Beatles, not The Beatles.
The fact that the names are placed in parentheses doesn’t change anything. For example, we have articles titled "White Christmas (song)", not "White Christmas (Song)"; "David Mitchell (author)", not "David Mitchel (Author)"; "Mercury (planet)", not "Mercury (Planet)" etc.
These are fragments, not sentences, so arguments about capitalizing the first letter of the sentence do not apply.

We have hundreds or thousands of articles with this problem. The current naming is contrary to Wikipedia manual of style and we need to fix it. Popcornfud (talk) 14:47, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding was that THEBAND applied to article prose, not article titling. I say this more as an observer, than a participant, as I don't care that much (though I also see little conceptual benefit to "fixing" this either.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:10, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The benefit of fixing it is the same as any other MOS fix: to be consistent with the MOS. So the question is whether I'm right in my interpretation of the MOS and how it applies here.

If we say WP:THEBAND only applies to article prose, that would presumably mean we would cap "The" everywhere else, such as in shortdescs ("1965 album by The Beatles"?), infoboxes ("Album by The Beatles"?), and article titles in general, not just disambiguation parentheses ("Bob Marley and The Wailers"?) ... I don't see the logic in that. Popcornfud (talk) 17:05, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Popcornfud: I'd love to see this resolved. I understand it as you do and I'd like to see it treated uniformly through Wikipedia, but I've seen requested moves go against it. A decision here would help resolve that. I also think your final point using the example "Zombie (Cranberries song)" should be made the norm too. Nobody says "I love that the Zombies song", so we shouldn't use that unnatural language in our titles. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 17:16, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding that THEBAND was largely rectifying the awkwardness of having a capitalized "The" in the middle of sentences. ("Johnson posited 'Untitled' was the best The Smashing Pumpkins song." sort of stuff.) No such awkwardness exists at a page title like Untitled (The Smashing Pumpkins song), with it just being a name sectioned off with parentheses. Sergecross73 msg me 17:51, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, it's extremely awkward, because it would be simply wrong to capitalize "the" for any other type of noun in this situation. In fact, we probably wouldn't write "the" here at all, as SchreiberBike mentions (see MOS:THENAME).

So why do we make this exception just for band names just in parenthesis just in article titles? If you don't find it awkward, I can't convince you to have that feeling about it, but I'm hoping you can at least see that it's inconsistent. Popcornfud (talk) 18:26, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Support proposal. "Zombie (Cranberries song)" is the most intuitive. I would also make the "T/the" variants be redirects (e.g. "Zombie (the Cranberries song)", "Zombie (The Cranberries song)"). WidgetKid ^{chat me} 19:22, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Support omitting "the" if possible, capitalizing it if not. If "the" can be omitted without causing confusion, let's do that, but if not, writing it as "The" is preferable since a lower-case letter starting what's effectively the band name in parentheses would look odd. Gawaon (talk) 22:23, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - considering the hundreds (thousands?) of articles affected, and the fact that we've only had a handful of participants over the course of the last week, makes me think we're going to need a more widespread WP:RFC to get the sort of participation and consensus we would need for a situation like this. Sergecross73 msg me 01:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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When an article title includes the name of a band (or other musical act) in parentheses, how should definite titles ("the") before the name be treated?

Option A: capitalize "The", eg Zombie (The Cranberries song)
Option B: lowercase "the", eg Zombie (the Cranberries song)
Option C: remove "the", eg Zombie (Cranberries song)

Popcornfud (talk) 04:23, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Option C. This is to me is the most natural and concise, and follows the advice at MOS:THENAME, which says "use a Beatles song, not a the Beatles song). Certainly not Option A as this goes against WP:THEBAND, which specifies not to capitalize "the" before band names except at the start of sentences, and I don't see any reason to make an exception for parentheses in article titles and nowhere else. Popcornfud (talk) 04:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C per Popcornfud, aka per the MOS. This text is in a disambiguator, not part of the title of the work itself, so we should follow regular English formatting rather than potentially stylized title formatting. Toadspike [Talk] 07:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Pings for participants in the above discussion: @Sergecross73@Gawaon@Widgetkid@SchreiberBike. Toadspike [Talk] 07:50, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C as long as The The is left alone. Also note this proposal omits singers like The Weeknd. Tbhotch^™ (CC BY-SA 4.0) 07:51, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
On the former, I think there's a reasonable case for making an exception for "The The". On the latter, yes, as currently worded this only includes bands. Toadspike [Talk] 10:42, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This was an oversight on my part when wording the RFC. I meant to propose we apply this to all musical acts, including bands, duos, singers, individuals etc, as this is what WP:THEBAND says. I've updated the RFC to clarify this, but I'm aware that might not be strictly kosher as people have already voted. If anyone thinks this is out of line, feel free to revert to the original wording (or just ask me to revert it) and we can sort this out some other way. Popcornfud (talk) 12:58, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C but let's be vigilant: There are acts in whose title the definite article ("the") is an inseparable part. The Beatles were originally marketed as The Beatles, as were most bands that followed them thereafter, a trend that lasted for some time. -The Gnome (talk) 08:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C per Popcornfud and Toadspike. But in the rare cases where "The" has to be included, it should be capitalized, say with The The. Gawaon (talk) 08:23, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
(Summoned by bot)Options C with exceptions per Gawaon. Nemov (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C per above, which reflect WP:THEBAND, which has been consensus for many years. A few exceptions may apply per WP:IAR if it makes the encyclopedia better. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 14:42, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C. The first two make my eye twitch. WidgetKid ^converse 15:03, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option C per above – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 17:48, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option B, aka status quo, as a compromise. Per the discussion above, MOS:THEBAND appears to relate to article prose, not proper nouns in article titles. Keeping in mind the example given above, The Cranberries is the official name of the band. They are listed as The Cranberries on all CDs, vinyls, digital retailers and streaming services. Removing "The" entirely is therefore improper and misrepresentative. Plus, the example above of "No one says 'I love that the Cranberries song'" is kind of splitting hairs. It would be perfectly acceptable to say "I love that song by the Cranberries", however. And I've not seen a single voter above give a policy-based reason why "the" should be removed entirely from article titles anyway. MOS:THEBAND gives no such advice for article titles. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 23:17, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:DTMF (disambiguation) § Requested move 9 February 2026

An editor has requested that DTMF (disambiguation) be moved to DTMF, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 19:26, 9 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The Best of Crystal Waters

I can't find any good sources. Please add reliable sources, if you can. Bearian (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Have you checked any of these archive sites of music magazines? There must be a mention of its release in some of the magazines of the day, and probably the occasional review. I see Allmusic has a rating (an impressive 4.5 stars, although it doesn't review it), so there's one. The claim it sold 100,000 is unreferenced, so that has to go. Otherwise there isn't much in the article that is particularly controversial, so it probably doesn't need many references. Tuzapicabit (talk) 12:40, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

"Albums produced by X" categories

Hi, just wondering if there's any criteria for adding this kind of category to an album article? I've seen them on articles where said producer only produced one song on the album, so I'm just curious. Rosaece ♡ talk ♡ contribs 11:41, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Per the style guide, "consensus is that 'Albums produced by X' categories should not be included unless that particular producer worked on a significant portion of the album." Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 04:48, 19 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

InMusic

It would be great to know whether this website is reliable or unreliable. Whenever the random singers (who are not that popular) announce their new single or album, this site mostly pops up in Google's news section, even though other reliable publications didn't publish anything about them yet. Example: [2]. Any thoughts? As I know, there were some cases that blog site became reliable in Wikipedia, like BrooklynVegan. But there's no author field in this site. About us page Camilasdandelions (✉️) 13:36, 14 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable - That's got to be the least-helpful "About Us" page I've seen for a publication for quite some time. Even the about page is only attributed to a writer called "InMusic". I can't see anything that helps create an argument for use on Wikipedia here. Sergecross73 msg me 18:15, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Roshni

Hi all. There is a disagreement at the {{Did you know nominations/Roshni (album)}}. Anyone interested is invited to participate. Thank you! M. Billoo 07:53, 19 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Distinguishing EPs from maxi singles

Cancelled by Motley Crue is considered an EP of three songs, with "Cancelled" as the first song, while "Damn Damn Leash" by Be Your Own Pet is considered a maxi single with three songs, including the two B-sides "Spill" and "Electric Shake." Why is Motley Crue's considered an EP but Be Your Own Pet's is considered a non-album maxi single? Is marketing the only reason they're categorized differently? Kart2401real (talk) 20:13, 21 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this line from Extended play#Definition sums it up well: Following the introduction of CDs, music downloads, and music streaming to the market definitive distinctions between singles, EPs, and LPs have become elusive. WidgetKid ^converse 17:57, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, pretty much exactly this. We basically go by whatever reliable sources say most commonly because the lines have blurred so much in the modern age, where most music is in digital form anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 18:12, 27 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]