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Editing logged out

How does the community feel about a long time 30k edits plus editing from this NHS hospital because I don’t know my password??? ~2025-39086-72 (talk) 08:59, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Just fine? It's not a real problem? It will be fine when you get home? I'm not sure how you would expect people to respond. TooManyFingers (talk) 09:06, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

It's certainly possible to change your password now, using the "forgot my password" function. TooManyFingers (talk) 09:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

The community recommends Bitwarden, a free password manager. Polygnotus (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank all. Being optimistic I could be out in 24 hrs. I’m going to chill instead, and investigate bitwarden when I get home ~2025-39086-72 (talk) 15:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

@Polygnotus The entire community? I have a different preference, KeePass, but any good password manager, written by coders who know proper key handling, is better than trying to remember passwords. I know very few of my passwords, but my password-protected password file is backed up in several places. And it has a strong, unique password! David10244 (talk) 23:54, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@David10244 The kind of people who need help when they forget their password should use Bitwarden not KeePass. And most people who use KeePass should probably use KeePassXC. Polygnotus (talk) 00:03, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank responders to my question, but note that to change my password would have been disastrous without a mail program on my iphone, which I do not have. I have recently got rid of my iphone SE because Apple, and am instead using an iphone 12 without a mail program. Yep, you guys should not assume people who need help here have redundant systems on their phones. To have followed 'Fingers advice would have been a disaster for me. Walter Ego 11:56, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

For the record, I use a system called "The Monet Box" in order to keep track of my accounts and passwords. It works well, but relies on strict adherance to the internal workings of "The Monet Box" systems. the box used to contain stationery in it's Monet artwork covered container, now consists solely of scraps of paper, old envelopes etc each holding details of individual accounts that "The Monet Box system" maintains records for. - Walter Ego 12:11, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

How in all of the nine realms of Norse Mythology supposed to edit an existing page

Here's the problem: I asked on the talk page of Monster Energy, to add the tour waters That didn't work out (because Tour Waters are just... Water) so someone suggested on that talk page I edit it to include all of the events Monster Energy that they made tour waters for. Thing is, I don't know how I'm supposed to that, SOMEONE HELP, PLEASE. Thank you in advance SixBlunders (talk) 18:11, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @SixBlunders. Maybe make a new section for it in the article, unless it fits well into a pre-existing section. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 18:14, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

(Thanks for responding, but) How in the hell am I supposed to make a new section for an article?? SixBlunders (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

I can help with that. Are you using the visual editor, or the source editor? TooManyFingers (talk) 18:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

In the top bar when editing, there's a bit that says "Paragraph" between the undo button and the text format. Click on that drop-down and you can pick a header. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 18:21, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I appreciate the help. SixBlunders (talk) 19:12, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Try Help:Editing and happy editing to you! Athanelar (talk) 12:38, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I understand. This part you're adding - is it to say that the company had a deal with a lot of tours to sell them bottled water? TooManyFingers (talk) 18:18, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Monster Energy dealt with many tours, and they selled Canned Water one of those tours was the Vans Warped Tour. And There is many more events (but I can't access the info because i'm on my school Chromebook to write this) SixBlunders (talk) 19:11, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@SixBlunders Is that kind of list actually important for readers of the article?

If you do add this, then in the future, I can see someone complaining that the list is out if date. Will you keep up the list forever? I'm not a big fan of adding things to articles that quickly become stale.... making future work for others. But, you can certainly add that info and see if it sticks. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 03:03, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Anyone knows how to create maps?

for examples map like this Chinese language and Vietnamese language map, how are they created? Any tutorials in YouTube? Additionally which app or application is used mainly for editing? TIA WinKyaw (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I know very little about maps, but I think the information you're looking for is at Wikipedia:Maps for Wikipedia and Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps.

I'm sure you'll understand it better than I do. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 07:55, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

You can use <mapframe>. For example,

<mapframe latitude="65.775744" longitude="-168.997192" zoom="8" width="200" height="194" text="Diomede Islands" />

This is code inserts an interactive map centered on the Diomede Islands. You can also do it Visual editor, by clicking Insert → Map. Versions111 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Oh wow, that sounds great and interesting. Where do you get the coordinates from? And do you know where do I potentially edit like this for SVG files? Like the chinese & vietnamese language maps I gave above (how to color parts of the country)? WinKyaw (talk) 09:34, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

You can use blank maps from Wikimedia Commons (see this or this) Versions111 (talk • contribs) 10:15, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

that's really helpful. Thanks. And how about using which software do I use to color the parts in the blank maps? WinKyaw (talk) 10:19, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

You can use any software, and dont forget to do this Versions111 (talk • contribs) 10:26, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Use the same license the original file is published under; If the source is CC BY-SA 3.0, upload it as CC BY-SA 3.0. If it is CC BY-SA 4.0, upload it as CC BY-SA 4.0. If it is CC0, it is free to use and should be uploaded as CC0. Do not change the license Versions111 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@Win Kyaw (ping) Versions111 (talk • contribs) 13:45, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Television series produced list

In this television produced list of Dreamscape Entertainement is it ok to put a series that's exclusive to a streaming service example a prime video original or exclusive? This list before was here when streaming didn't exist and the production company produced these series before they produced a series for streaming. Should it be added or only add if it will release on TV airing like cable only like a series original network will be a cable channel and not streaming? ~2025-40164-31 (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I would say that releasing exclusively to a streaming service is just as relevant as releasing to an on-air TV channel or a cable channel. Especially nowadays when streaming services are so ubiquitous and are touting their original or exclusive content. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 06:35, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you are allowed to add Dreamscape Entertainment produced series on that page, even if they were not released "on air". —LeastConcern 15:50, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Should we revive the WP:Bowling Project

Wikipedia:WikiProject Bowling

add Approve or Oppose with your Reason down below YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 14:11, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere. Like (probably) 95% of the people here, I have no interest, and don't care either way.

But I will point out that you can "revive" till you're blue in the fact, but if you don't have several people actively interested, and willing to spend time working on the project, "reviving" it will be an empty gesture and a waste of time. ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I mean arent most of them dead? (inactive) YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion, the best way to really promote the topic of bowling on Wikipedia would be to look for articles on that topic that need improvement, and fix them up. I think the best project for bowling is, when you get done editing, go bowling! :) TooManyFingers (talk) 16:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

I mean I want to revive it because I do leagues for my school and a league that they have YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

You know your school bowling league is never getting an article on Wikipedia, right? TooManyFingers (talk) 20:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes. YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Then ... I'm guessing you only mentioned them because the whole thing has inspired you to try to improve Wikipedia's coverage of bowling. That's great! I hope you find lots of good sources of bowling information to improve articles or write new ones. TooManyFingers (talk) 00:46, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

could it be like for PBA Players (Ex: E.J. Tackett Kyle Troup) YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 13:50, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't think I understood your question. Could what be like for PBA players? TooManyFingers (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Add like a daily article about bowling in the WP:Bowling (for ex. ej tackett or 9 pin no tap bowling) YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 14:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

like what they do on the main page YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 14:12, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Oh I get it!

I don't know the answer, but someone somewhere will know. :) Sorry I wasn't more helpful.

One thing: I wouldn't try changing it daily. The main page has enough people to keep working on it, and they always have tons of possible choices for what to put up next. Bowling doesn't have those advantages. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:04, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Like I would do it. YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 18:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:BOLD, you could just start doing it. Then if anyone objects, pause what you're doing and discuss it with them until you and others reach consensus. -- Avocado (talk) 16:54, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

alright (Zakk😎) 16:10, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

As with any moribund Wikiproject, there are a number of things you can do to revive it:

1. Post a query on the talkpage, provided that query is along the lines of "please can anyone here advise if -------- is a typo or some specific bowls jargon" and not "would anyone watching like to revive this project?"
2. Check the timeline of the subject of the project and look for a notable anniversary. If one is coming up in the next couple of years, try to get it in Wikipedia:Selected_anniversaries#Steps_for_suggesting_new_listings. If the article isn't yet good enough, but you have a year or three, all the better - you can raise this on the Wikiproject talkpage and ask for help to get the article up to standard before the anniversary. Bonus points if you can get a relevant article to featured status - but that is a major undertaking.
3. Look at the WikiProject history, postings on the talkpage and people who have the Wikiproject among their userboxes. Check which of them have recently edited and ask them for advice and help with queries such as the two above.
4. Watchlist articles relevant to your WikiProject
5. Look at the relevant categories for your WikiProject and check that the articles in them have a talkpage tag for your WikiProject
6. When new editors make substantial edits to articles in the focus of that Wikiproject, check if they have been welcomed, and if not drop them a welcome, personalised with a mention of the WikiProject
7. If established editors who aren't members of the Wikiproject make substantial edits to articles relevant to the WikiProject, ask them if they'd be willing to help the WikiProject, or better, ask if they could help answer a specific query on your wikiproject talkpage
8. When Xmas or New Year are about to happen, send out greetings cards from the Wikiproject to those of its members who are still active on Wikipedia. (If you can find a vaguely relevant image or two, I can even make you a customised greetings card)

Hope that helps, and no you don't need to do all of these steps. ϢereSpielChequers 10:37, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Could you make a customised greeting card image? (I can make the award pretty easily) I gotta send them out before the end of December 18th. Because then I will be inactive for 2 weeks YourLocalZakkFromSomewhere (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, my greeting card making abilities are permutations of User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20 ϢereSpielChequers 22:22, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

What does the mean? Zakk😎 (talk) 14:03, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

It means that if you pick a couple of images I can make you a card like User:WereSpielChequers/Dec20. ϢereSpielChequers 14:15, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

hCaptcha issues

I am trying to add an external link to a page, so I need to submit an hCaptcha, but the hCaptcha isn't showing for me. Joetheman67 (talk) 03:00, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Pinging @KHarlan (WMF), @EMill-WMF. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Can you say more about what you're seeing? Are you unable to submit an edit when you try? EMill-WMF (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I can't reproduce this on enwiki. Can you provide us with more information about what you see after you press "Publish changes"?

The expected workflow for adding an external URL is:

• press "Publish changes" on an edit that adds an external URL
• the page reloads
• at the bottom of the page, this text appears above the submit buttons: "Your edit includes new external links. To protect the wiki against automated spam, we kindly ask you to solve the following hCaptcha"
• press "Publish changes"
• the challenge appears

Note that next week, when hCaptcha is at 99.9% passive mode, the workflow for adding an external URL will be:

• press "Publish changes"
• hCaptcha doesn't think the session is suspicious for bot activity -> the edit is published
• otherwise, same steps as above

KHarlan (WMF) (talk) 06:53, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Are you perhaps using an ad-blocker that is preventing it from showing? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:33, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

That's quite likely. As an ad blocker user who's fortunate enough to be long-since autoconfirmed but has encountered it on other sites, I can attest that hCaptcha is one of the worst "doesn't work if you block ads and trackers" offenders out there. I'm disappointed that it's what Wikimedia has chosen. Don't we want Wikipedia to be usable by people who use ad blockers to disarm web trackers? -- Avocado (talk) 16:52, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

hCaptcha does work with most ad-blockers; the bug was the result of a technical issue (T411927) which has since been fixed. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 16:57, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

A few questions

Dear Friends.

I think I would like to expand the article about self-harm substantially - after all, I have more than 200 scientific articles on this topic on my hard drive. However, I have a few questions before I will be able to begin:

1a. Is there some Wikipedia copyrights automatic scanner I could use?

1b. How big is the maximum percentile of words repeated in other sources? 5%?

2. Is there a way to automatically generate cite template from the online data of scientific journals? And yes, I know I should check manually if everything is okay, my question is about its existence, not being carefull when using it ( :) ).

3. How is called the "little" cite template you use when you have full cite journal in other parts of the article in the bibliography section?

This is all I think for now, but I will be back later if I will have some troubles? ;-) Kaworu1992 (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Kaworu1992, I don't understand what you mean by "Wikipedia copyrights automatic scanner". Please explain. Also, I can think of two very different potential meanings of "'little' cite template" and I wouldn't be surprised if neither is relevant here. Please point to an example of an article that uses (or appears to use) such templates. And in this era of large-scale predatory/vanity publishing, the mere number or bulk of scientific (-ish) journal articles has become utterly meaningless. Please check that the journals are reputable. -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Dear Friend.

1. I mean, is there an IT system within Wikipedia that automatically checks the given text for copyright violations? This is what I am looking for.

2. The "little" citing template just prints an author name, year of publication and maybe such things as "a" or "b" in case of prolific writers? It is used altogether with normal cite journal template?

3. I believe most of my scientific articles are from BioMedCentral (which, I hope, is an ok-publisher) plus some find through Google Scholar. I presume they have some scientific quality (but as I am myself not a scientist, I could be of course wrong).

Best wishes!

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

WP:EARWIG is a link to a tool you can use to check text on Wikipedia for copyright violations. Athanelar (talk) 11:51, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) 1a. Earwig's copyvio detector, though it only matches copied text, not paraphrasing (and some other issues noted at WP:NOTEARWIG)

2. Automatically? No. Semi-automatically? Yes. You can use the RefToolbar to add the details in so that you don't have to fill out the citation template manually. Tenshi! (Talk page) 23:13, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

1a. Tenshi Hinanawi has answered.

2. You can use Template:Sfn between REF and /REF tags; and below that, a list of "Sources" within which each line has a Cite journal, Cite book, or similar template.

3. Google Scholar includes a lot of stuff that can hardly be called scholarly, let alone scientific.

-- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Dear Friends.

Thank you for your answers. I hope the scientific articles I have found aren't fake or something? ;-)

Best wishes!

--Kaworu1992 (talk) 23:42, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Kaworu1992, today's FA is Theodosius III. It's an example of an article making a great use of Template:Sfn. -- Hoary (talk) 00:03, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@Kaworu1992 To answer the part about automating the creation of citations from digital object identifiers, which is what most scientific publications have, you can use the WP:Citation expander or citer.toolforge. As you say, you need to check their output but they are pretty reliable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Sources on Nigerian content creator Adebayo Temitayo (Realjjfrosh)

Hello, I am not able to create articles directly, but I found multiple reliable, independent sources about Nigerian content creator Adebayo Temitayo (Realjjfrosh). I am sharing them here in case any editor thinks the subject may meet notability for a future biography:

• Vanguard (18 Oct 2025): https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/10/young-nigerian-influencer-realjjfrosh-bags-intl-nomination/amp/
• ThisDay (27 Aug 2025): https://www.thisdaylive.com/2025/08/27/realjjfrosh-urges-nigerian-creators-to-stay-consistent-amid-challenges/
• Business Day (1 Nov 2025): https://businessday.ng/life/article/young-nigerian-entrepreneur-builds-pathways-for-africas-digital-creators/?amp
• Daily Trust (8 Dec 2025): https://dailytrust.com/eksu-student-applies-theatre-training-to-digital-content/?noamp=available
• Punch (2 Apr 2025): https://punchng.com/tiktok-star-realjjfrosh-plans-social-platform-for-creators/

If any editor considers these sufficient for an article, feel free to create it. Thank you. ~2025-40327-74 (talk) 15:21, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hey there, @~2025-40327-74. You may create an article by visiting Wikipedia:Articles for creation. It will be created as a draft, and once you submit it for review, an experienced editor will accept or decline it, with comments.

However, from Wikipedia:WikiProject Nigeria/Nigerian sources and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Nigerian news organisations, I can tell you a few things. Vanguard has historically accepted undisclosed paid advertisements. This may or may not be the case here. Your four other sources are marked as reliable by WP Nigeria, but are borderline not independent. Punch is not independent, it's an interview. The other three sources refer to "statements". Business Day seems to be your best reference here to demonstrate notability.

I would encourage you to create a draft, but to also find more references. Have a good day, win8x (talk) 15:48, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Win8x

Thank you for your advice and for reviewing the sources. I understand your points about reliability and independence, and I will keep looking for additional references.

Unfortunately, my account is currently blocked from creating drafts, so I cannot submit an AfC draft myself. I wanted to let you know in case there are independent editors who might be able to evaluate the sources and create a draft. ~2025-40327-74 (talk) 16:08, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Your temporary account/IP is not blocked from creating drafts, unless you have a permanent account(a username) that is blocked. You may create drafts via the Article Wizard. 331dot (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@~2025-40327-74. Do you have a blocked (named) account? Otherwise, you aren't blocked; you can create drafts. win8x (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@Win8x: Just whack and ignore the TA. This is one of a long series of sockpuppets whose sole purpose is spamming Realjjfrosh on Wikipedia; the draftspace page was salted earlier today (at time of writing) for being repeatedly re-created by sockpuppets. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:33, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Lovely. 10 deletions. Impressive. Maybe those articles were paid after all. win8x (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

As anybody could've gathered from a TA popping up to say "I just happened to stumble upon some sources for a Wikipedia article about an unnotable online presence and thought I'd let you all know, you know, in case you wanted to create an article!" Athanelar (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Featured image use

Is there a rule that the main image of an article should always be a featured image if possible? Sometimes I feel that there are images that better illustrate the subject. Bloopityboop (talk) 03:09, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Bloopityboop. If I've interpreted your question correctly, the first image of an article does not need to be a featured picture; whatever is necessary and illustrates the subject the best should be used. Toby ^(t)(c)(rw) 03:13, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I think you interpreted me correctly. Thanks for letting me know. Bloopityboop (talk) 03:18, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Bloopityboop, I agree with Tarlby. A Featured picture may do an outstanding job illustrating some narrow aspect of a topic. Another high quality image may do a much better job of illustrating the topic more broadly. The lead image should do just that. Cullen328 (talk) 03:35, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

I agree and just wanted to point that one thing making this unworkable is that some topics have many featured images, but some have very few. In those topics where there might be dozens of articles with only one featured picture between them, it would not help readers to keep seeing the same lead image across many different articles. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:21, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

It should be decided by consensus. Most are probably not aware of featured pictures. Koriodan (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Moving and combining pages

The Page Morne Jaloux Ridge and Morne Jaloux are the same place and therefore don’t require two pages (which lack quite a lot of references, I will try and find some more). How can I move them into one page (I think the name “Morne Jaloux” is fine with a redirect from Morne Jaloux Ridge. Thanks for any help. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 15:16, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Also the map text obstructs some other text just below, which makes it look awkward and hard to read. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 15:18, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

For instructions and help with merging you can read Wikipedia:Merging. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 15:51, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 15:54, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

As far as I know there is no "built-in" process for this. It's done by replacing the text and leaving a redirect. Koriodan (talk) 19:34, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Template for circular links?

I have found an article that links to itself. The Markdown article has multiple links to CommonMark, which itself leads to Markdown#Standardization. Is there some sort of template to mark this, should the link be removed, or should it just be kept as-is? Mxwllhe (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @Mxwllhe. If the link is not in the Standardization section then it's fine, since the link goes to a specific section of the article. See MOS:CIRCULAR. Perception312 (talk) 16:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Ah, I see.

Mxwllhe (talk) 16:41, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Worth noting that the linking to itself can be fine as long as it's a specific section on the same page. Koriodan (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Two versions of the same list

I noticed that there are two versions of the same list on the pages Digital painting and Digital art. Should they be unified and if so what would be the best approach? Bobble Pi (talk) 17:27, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Bobble Pi! They don't look to be the same list from my glance? I see some different entries in each. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 17:38, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

They are both intended to be lists of digital art software from the heading but if there is a reason one contains more than the other then I would understand having them separate. Bobble Pi (talk) 17:51, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

I believe it is as one is specifically tied to digital painting, whereas the other encompasses digital art in general. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 17:56, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks for clarifying. Should items inside of the digital painting list be put inside the digital art list? Bobble Pi (talk) 18:04, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

I think they probably should, except one thing: before you copy an item over, make sure that it's correct and up to date, and that it really even belongs. Just so you don't waste your time carrying garbage from one house to another, and then having to clean it up twice afterwards. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 18:27, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Alrighty thanks for the help. :) Would it make sense as well to have the heading and name of the list on the digital painting page be renamed to be more specific? I would include an anchor with the old heading to preserve links. Bobble Pi (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

You could make a WP:BOLD change by transferring this to a transcluded template. Just be mindful that changes in the future will then reflect everywhere all at once. Koriodan (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I see. I'll have to look into the making of templates/sandbox it and if there are any other places that have similar lists. Bobble Pi (talk) 20:23, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Year of birth between 1877 and 1878, how to format?

Hi, for Frank Little (unionist)'s page, I'd like to adjust the YOB to say 1877 or 1878 (as he was recorded as being 2 years old on june 2, 1880 (please verify [1], on line 41) so it is unlikely that he was born in 1879 as currently stated. AFAIK this is our only source of DOB, but I have not checked. His grave says 1879, which explains the wrong date used on the article. Please let me know what you think. —LeastConcern 11:16, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @LeastConcern. Unfortunately, ancestry.com is generally considered an unreliable source. Any chance you have another source for the YOB? PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 13:01, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, PhoenixCaelestis. I understand; however, the document is not merely ancestry.com content. It is the only official digitization of the 1880 U.S. census available online ("Search Census Records Online and Other Resources". 8 September 2016.). So, if we consider it a valid source in this case, how do I format the birth year in the info box?— Preceding unsigned comment added by LeastConcern (talk • contribs) 15:45, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Signed LeastConcern's comment to PhoenixCaelestis and courtesy pinging per WP:PINGFIX. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:35, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@LeastConcern, you can simply change the year with the source cited in source style. Thank you @Rotideypoc41352 for fixing the comment and ping, I much appreciate it. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 19:52, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

For these sort of primary sources, you have to be sure that the name in the record is the same person as the one in the article. In some cultures, when a child dies young, then the next one born may get the same name again. Hopefully this is not the case here. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:27, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Mute a user?

Is there a way to stop particular users from appearing in my Notifications feed? I only want to mute ClueBot NG but it might be a helpful feature to know about in general. lp0 on fire () 17:43, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@Lp0 on fire See the option at near the bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo, which allows muting of specific users. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. lp0 on fire () 18:03, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

You can also turn off bot entries in your watchlist via preferences. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Process to move a Draft to Permanent Link?

Hi! I'm very new to Wikipedia content creation. I posted an article on Will Woodward Jackson, a Texas educator. How do I get it moved to a permanent post from an "draft" status? This is the link: Draft:Will W. Jackson. GroverscornerNM (talk) 21:19, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I have added a template to the top of the draft; just click on the big button to submit it for review. The full process is described at WP:AFC. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:43, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Unable to report editors spreading misinformation in contentious topics

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I can't add a topic to WP:ANI on contentious topics, because I do not have an extended-confirmed account, but there was an incident where an editor was blatantly abusing their privilege to remove factual information and censoring discussion of it on the article's talk page. I described the incident on an admin's talk page, hopefully they will see it soon. Is this the only way to go about it for someone without an extended-confirmed account? RedrickSchu (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@RedrickSchu, you do not need an extended confirm account to make a post on AN/I. You should be good to make one, but please remember (when you do so) to notify involved users on their talk pages. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 15:04, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

PhoenixCaelestis, this is referring to the extended confirmed restriction of several topics, which restricts editing about topics (in this case, WP:PIA) to only extended confirmed editors. This applies to any page on Wikipedia, including ANI. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) (contributions) 15:20, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. Silly me, misinterpreting comments again. PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 15:29, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

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seeking experienced Wikipedia editor/formatter

I'm seeking an experienced Wikipedia editor/formatter to assist me. The following is a Tea-room comment received in response to a major rewrite of an existing page I submitted as a novice Wiki contributer: "Thank you for your input here. Please have a look at Help:Wikitext and then submit your edit request by following the formatting guidelines over there. That would make the edit request more readable for reviewers. Especially for references, please use the <ref> tag. Also, please go through WP:COIER and Template:RE/I before making the edit request again. Following the instructions would make it easier for reviewers to understand your input. Have a great time editing!" PerspectiveHub (talk) 10:36, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Have you found the things they recommended you should read? And have you read them? What did you do after reading? TooManyFingers (talk) 11:00, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Now you have posted that, you need to be aware of scammers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:55, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria for a contentious category

Hey, I was responding to a feedback request/RfC and as part of that, I am now wondering where to find inclusion criteria. The "category:false allegations of sex crimes" page currently says

The inclusion of certain people in this category is disputed. Please see the relevant discussions on the talk pages of those individual articles. Consider rewording the inclusion criteria of this category if they are unclear. See also the guidelines at WP:BLPCAT and Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people.

So I am wondering where to find these criteria, because I think it would really help the discussion. For your information, the discussion this is about is at RFC about inclusion of "false allegations of sex crimes" category

Thanks in advance. If you know the answer and reply here, I can take it from here and see if it is useful to bring to the discussion. Alternatively, if you know and want to, you could also share it directly in the discussion. Slomo666 (talk) 19:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

If the category has specific criteria for inclusion, you'd probably be able to find them at Category talk:False allegations of sex crimes but it doesn't seem like anybody ever bothered to come up with any.

I'd say BLP applies here, though. By default, any allegation of a sex crime is always going to involve an alleger, and stating conclusively that an allegation is false requires some serious evidence. Including an article in this category without having solid evidence that an allegation was conclusively proven false is libelous/defamatory toward the alleger in a way that is almost certainly a BLP violation; so as a start for inclusion criteria I'd say that you should be able to point to a reliable source(s) which demonstrate conclusively that the allegation was uncontroversially false. Absolutely any doubt whatsoever about whether the allegation is true or not should automatically mean the article can't be included in that category. Athanelar (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Yeah. I should not import the RfC here, but the issue is whether or not the subject's aqcuittal and coverage thereof suffices as reliable source(s) which demonstrate conclusively that the allegation was uncontroversially false. I was hoping the category would have criteria that clearly state or negate this, but it does not appear to have any whatsoever. I don't think you can say it is "libelous" if there has been a court case about it, but I think it is more nuanced than that. There's something between libel and what we deem ok to say about people or their statements in wikipedia's voice. I am becoming more convinced it should be kept out of the category. Thank you.

Sidenote, mostly technical: when I am on this (teahouse I mean) page, there are two arrows (^) on my screen that block the reply button. Do you happen to know know how to get rid of these/move them?

Thanks and happy editing, Slomo666 (talk) 23:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

An acquittal is not the same thing as proof that an allegation was false. People can be acquitted for lack of evidence, etc. Unless there is specific documented proof that the allegation was false (a Jussie Smollett situation) then it should not be included in this category, I think. Athanelar (talk) 23:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

>Unless there is specific documented proof that the allegation was false

We literally have this for the Michael Jackson trial, and it''s overwhelming. So these cases are not the same. Never17 (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Question is, what can be regarded as "specific documented proof". For example, all jurors rejecting an allegation because the accusers' claims they saw them as "plain not believable" would be documented proof? You bring up Jussie Smollett but also that if any doubt exist it shouldn't be in the category. There is however most certainly doubt about the Smollett case. castorbailey (talk) 17:52, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Let us not split the discussion. It should take place at the RfC. I merely went here to ask a question about where to find information on inclusion criteria. Slomo666 (talk) 23:22, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Slomo666, for your technical sidenote:

You can change the visibility of the annoying navigation arrows by adding a CSS definition for them at the bottom of your your custom stylesheet.

I've set mine to make them semi-transparent:

#skip-to-top-button, #skip-to-bottom-button {opacity: 0.5;}

If you want them to disappear completely:

#skip-to-top-button, #skip-to-bottom-button {display: none;}

I see you haven't used your custom stylesheet yet — I'm happy to help more if you have problems doing this. Bazza 7 (talk) 10:04, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

They were already transparent. They just blocked my ability to click the [reply] button bc if I clicked there, I’d be clicking the down arrow. (Or the up one, I don’t remember) thanks for the help but I will not be doing all of that stuff yet. (I might get into making a custom stylesheet at one point, but I’m not involved enough to care at this point.) Slomo666 (talk) 12:39, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Slomo666 Don't the up/down arrows stay in the same place when you scroll the article? Scrolling the article should move the Reply button out from under the arrows. At least, in desktop view, which works fine on a mobile device. David10244 (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but at the time I was talking about this, the present section was at the bottom of the page, so there was no way to move it above the arrows. Only down, which made it fall off the screen entirely. the issue is solved now anyways, because of the horizontal shift that occurs when continuing a thread. Edit: nevermind. Slomo666 (talk) 21:56, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Roger Pilon

I want to do a major edit of my bio page, which even Wikipedia says needs editing, but I'm overwhelmed by all the instructions. How do I do it? Roger Pilon (talk) 21:15, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@Roger Pilon, you shouldn't. Please read this page. win8x (talk) 21:41, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Roger Pilon, the "talk page" referred to within Win8x's "this page" is Talk:Roger Pilon. -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

A reference deleted when it seemed well edited

Hello, I was disappointed to see that my effort to introduce content was deleted after I carefully inserted a reference and added some nuances to the argument. ~2025-40270-38 (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Sir Thomas More (play)#Content — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2025-40270-38 (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @~2025-40270-38, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I don't know why @ESkog reverted your edits. But when that happens, what you should do is ask them, usually by posting a question to the article's talk page, and pinging the other editor. (I have pinged them here, so they should see this item)

Please read WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello @~2025-40270-38 - I think you are right and I got this wrong. When I was scrolling through recent edits, one of your changes appeared to be nonproductive, but upon further reading, that's not the case. I apologize for the error and I've removed your warning. (ESkog)^(Talk) 00:29, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Dumb question about an essay

Hey I have a mildly dumb question of no importance (hope I'm allowed to ask those here). I'm pretty sure there was an essay, probably humorous, talking about not meaninglessly throwing out random policies (very similar to WP:WTF?) but it was named to sound like a martial arts move (e.x, WP:TIGERCHI or smth). Am I having a Mandela Effect type thing? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? FloblinTheGoblin (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Shadowless Fists of Death!, perhaps? win8x (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much lol! FloblinTheGoblin (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

How to address long-standing issues on a page dominated by one editor?

I recently went to the FBI files on Michael Jackson article out of curiosity for the subject, but noticed a lot of strange or inappropriate content that doesn’t appear to be supported by the sources or doesn't parse properly in English. Also, reading into the issue independently I can now see that the article substantially misrepresents the topic.

On the talk page, multiple editors have raised concerns, but each good faith edit is met with the original contributor reverting, arguing:

• the article passed “Good Article” review, so its content can’t be changed, and
• previous editors requested dispute resolution and the issue in question was dismissed then (it wasn't).

My question: What is the appropriate action here?

Would it be suitable to start an RfC for each of the article’s issues? Or is there a better process for addressing the problem. To me, many of the issues with the article don't take specialist knowledge. Feel free to take a look.

Thanks in advance! CounterpointStitch (talk) 22:35, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@CounterpointStitch It sounds to me like reading Wikipedia:Ownership of content might give some useful information on this. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:08, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@CounterpointStitch It is emphatically not true that once an article has passed a GA review, it is frozen in time forever. For one thing, most articles can generally be improved (Featured Article status is "better" than Good Article status, for example). For another thing, new information may come to light on any subject.

If the other editor keeps reverting improvements, look at WP:DR along with what TooManyFingers linked. David10244 (talk) 03:09, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much, and to @TooManyFingers. This really clarifies things. All the best! CounterpointStitch (talk) 01:06, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Question about notability + sources for improving my draft

Draft:Denton Oliver (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! My draft for Denton “Ollie” Oliver was declined with the note that my references “do not provide extensive coverage” and that too many trivial sources made the good ones less visible. I have about 40 references, but I realize many might not meet WP:SIGCOV. Could someone help me identify which of my sources do meet notability requirements (WP:N) and which I should remove? Could someone help me understand how to improve notability? I want to improve the draft properly and focus only on strong, independent, in-depth coverage. Thank you so much — any guidance is appreciated. ADHPWordsWithMeaning (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Probably the best resources on this are Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Notability (the second one is notability in general, not just people).

Try looking through your reference list but ignoring all material that includes material from an interview, a press release, or an announcement, and ignoring anything by someone with a relationship (business or personal). That can give you a general rough idea. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Do you think deleting all those cities / references would be the first thing to do for my re-submission? ADHPWordsWithMeaning (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

No, don't delete them - at least not all, and not so fast. But you need to know for sure that you have enough references that are not that type. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

It can be, umm, "educational" though, to temporarily cut out everything that comes from one of those lesser sources, to see what you've got left. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:42, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much for all your comments and guidance. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain what to look for. The subject does seem notable, so I’m just trying to figure out the best way forward and make sure I’m relying on the right types of sources. I’ll go back through everything with that in mind. Courtesy ping to @JSFarman to see if they have any additional thoughts as well. ADHPWordsWithMeaning (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Denton Oliver looks non-notable to me. And your message, the one I'm currently replying to, seems ... odd. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:57, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@TooManyFingers Sorry for the typo in my previous message, I meant to thank you for the courtesy ping to @45dogs. I appreciate your feedback on notability as well and will take it into consideration as I review the draft. ADHPWordsWithMeaning (talk) 00:10, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to @JSFarman, who declined the draft. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) (contributions) 23:39, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @45dogs. I muddied the issue when I noted the excessive references in my decline, but I went through 20 of the sources without finding anything that would impact notability. Simply declining the article would have been a better choice. The references used provide only trivial coverage, and the coverage is advertorial. Based on the draft, he does not meet the inclusion criteria. JSFarman (talk) 03:56, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps the account creation should be changed a little

Personally I see many Irrelevant (no offence) questions on Wikipedia Teahouse and other forums, and perhaps this isn’t the right forum to say this but perhaps in the account creation process there should be a notice which says something along the lines of:

”Warning- Wikipedia isn’t a promotional or social media site, if you are joining to make a page about yourself or a company/band/etc. You are affiliated with please reconsider”

I feel like a warning like that could perhaps cut down on the amounts of people who come thinking Wikipedia is a social media site, or who want to make a page for themselves or something they are affiliated with, I see many editors (who I thank for their diligent work), always answering those questions and it seems like a waste of time having to answer and decline all those drafts when there are plenty good ones which are “pushed down the pile“

Apologies if this is the wrong forum for this query.

Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 11:25, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @KeyolTranslater. I don't think it's the right forum - I think one of the sections of the village pump would be better.

I have often wished we had a way of doing this. My personal opinion is that it wouldn't make very much difference. I doubt if most people read the edit notices that appear on various pages, any more than most people read the "important information" leaflet that is stuffed into every box of medication. ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, perhaps I will ask/inform the people on Village Pump, I do think it won’t deter everyone (people will certainly be stubborn and try), but perhaps the odd one person will reconsider if they genuinely didn’t know you couldn’t self-advertise. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 12:33, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

@KeyolTranslater For what it's worth, I think a warning on the Account Sign up page would be a very good idea. This is, however, a centrally managed page via Wikimedia so I'm not sure where you'd go to propose that. The Village Pump folks might have a better idea. qcne (talk) 13:18, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I guess I say this a lot, but the people who need the warning are all going to click past it without reading. We could test the truth of my statement by putting up another warning before yours, that says "People who don't care about warnings must exit the signup process now". :) (hint: they'd still sign up, after ignoring both warnings) TooManyFingers (talk) 18:09, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I do think you’d at least get one person who “changes their ways”, most won’t and will be persistent, I do like your idea though of the second warning. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

It was a joke. :) I think really putting two warnings like that would be useless clutter. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Agree with you 100% on the merit of at least trying to do something to prevent such messages, @KeyolTranslater. Although nothing will stop 100% of them even with an outright request, I have a suspicion that similar counterarguments arose against putting up STOP signs when they were invented.

@Qcne suggested above that a good place to post this request would be the Account Sign-up page. This seems to fall under the WikiMedia Foundation, so perhaps writing to info@wikimedia.org would be one way to reach those in charge of the page.

Count me in as an ally on this … it’s one of my own concerns. It’s commendable how our long-suffering Teahouse staff tirelessly deal with it day in and day out! Augnablik (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm in favour of anything that will help. Just when I see "A warning will help", my mind immediately applies [citation needed]. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 20:10, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Sure I can email them with all your approvals, if you all want. Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 09:53, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Email who?

I expressed doubt about the proposal, not approval. (I did say I'm in favour of anything that will help, but I questioned whether a warning would help at all.) TooManyFingers (talk) 01:30, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Even if it deters one person that would be a success. The email would go to the WMF Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 13:46, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

If you decide to e-mail the WMF, @KeyolTranslater, feel free to include me along with you on it — or not, your decision. But as for others who’ve replied to your topic, you’d need individual “green lights.” Augnablik (talk) 06:02, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Sure, will do. Who knows perhaps it will work Mwen Sé Kéyòl Translator-a (talk) 13:41, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I'd be happy to be involved as a supporter for some kind of warning message on the Account signup page. qcne (talk) 10:53, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Old printed magazine

hello If a citation is from printed magazine material published 20 years ago and not online how does Wikipedia handle it, and will it be accepted? ~2025-40172-12 (talk) 00:27, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @~2025-40172-12! Offline sources are absolutely accepted: the only criteria for a source is that it is from a reliable publication and that is is accessible. It doesn't have to be easily accessible, but there needs to be a realistic chance an interested reader would be able to access the source if they wanted to, perhaps via a library or archive. You would cite the source as an offline document, providing as much bibliographic material as possible to allow a reader to find it. qcne (talk) 00:35, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Further to the good answer qcne already gave, please make sure that the bibliographic material you provide includes the exact page number and which issue it's in. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:45, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I wish we had a private repository for these so you could upload a scan for admins or some usergroup to be able to access for verification, but wouldnt be public to avoid copyright issues. ← Metallurgist (talk) 05:52, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

That would be the Internet Archive (other archives are also available). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Who looks at these article ranks?

Hello! I recently got my article published, and I noticed this whole article grading system. I am wondering who exactly decides the grade, and how to notify them once I believe it has met criteria for the next level. Thanks! BluePixelLOLLL (talk) 04:11, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, BluePixelLOLLL. Any editor can rate any article in good faith, with the exception of Good articles and Featured articles, which have formal processes. Ratings are usually added on article talk pages. You can examine the talk page edit history to see who rated it, and leave a message on their user talk page. Frankly, the lower ratings are considered unimportant by most experienced editors. Cullen328 (talk) 05:42, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I honestly grade my own articles since I've noticed they're often ungraded for a long time if I don't. It isn't all that important, nor a formal process with rules and restrictions. Just decide based on your unbiased judgement - if an article is not comprehensive enough, is lacking things like images, or isn't sourced in some parts, I give it a C. If it's too short, like under 2000 bytes, I give it a start. I mostly base it off the ores scoring, it's a pretty useful script that can distinguish between a stub, start, and a C pretty accurately in my experience, which is usually what most articles start off as. jolielover♥talk 06:47, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

There is a tool called "Rater" that will suggest and apply grades for you, and tidy up WikiProject templates as it does so. It's not infallible in the former, but makes a good first-pass. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:40, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Wow, it worked. Thanks! BluePixelLOLLL (talk) 02:07, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks BluePixelLOLLL (talk • Signaturebook) 05:00, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

You can see a summary of the criteria for each rating at WP:GRADE. A few projects, like the Military History one, have their own criteria that are slightly different in specifics but aligned in spirit. -- Avocado (talk) 15:32, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Teahouse host list

Recently coming across an invitation to see the list of Teahouse staff, I took a look at it and found only about 8, maybe 10, names I recognized out of — I’m guessing — at least 70, perhaps as many as 100.

Meanwhile, I thought of quite a few names I’d have expected to see on the list but didn’t. So I wondered how often the list is updated. That’s my question.

The list seems like a great idea to enhance the Teahouse experience for its “customers” — all the more if everyone on the list rather than just some share a line or two about themselves. Augnablik (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@Augnablik See current thread near the foot of WT:Teahouse, where you can comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:42, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Mike, this is uncanny. What a coincidence that a directly related discussion has been going on there.

Yes, that’s where I’ll take this conversation … though I never knew about a Talk page for the Teahouse! Augnablik (talk) 16:16, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I imagine myself as something of a "probationary Teahouse host" - just some guy who happened to be around in the week when the list got updated.

If I've ever been mentioned in a meeting of the Teahouse Grand Council, then I guess someone gravely intoned "Allow him to continue for now - he might still learn". :) TooManyFingers (talk) 16:05, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Ditto. I was just added out of more or less nowhere within the past week. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:07, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Image flagged for deletion

Hi! I was expanding the Life Nature Library entry and I uploaded a phot of one of the covers to illustrate it. That photo was flagged for deletion due to "Criterion 8, because the file does not significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would not be detrimental to that understanding". I'm very confused, how is it not helpful? Couldn't the same be said about the cover of any book? The Life Science Library entry has the same kind of photo but that's not flagged... Can I appeal this or fix the image attribution? I thought I had done so. Sphenacodon (talk) 21:21, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

What you said here is missing the actual reason that was given. It's a non-free image, and every use of a non-free image on Wikipedia has to meet some strict requirements. In this case, they said it isn't the kind of image where readers won't understand the article without being able to see it.

I agree with them - your picture is just a "would be nice" kind of addition, definitely not a "we really need this" addition. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:29, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Ok but that still doesn't answer why the exact same kind of picture was okay in the sister article? Sphenacodon (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

It might not be okay there either. I'm not certain. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

So by this logic why are any images of book covers on this site acceptable then? Sphenacodon (talk) 21:41, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Someone more knowledgeable about the topic will have to answer that. Maybe there's something that can be done to get your picture accepted - I was able to explain why it got rejected, but I don't deal with images all the time. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you! I'll inquire elsewhere and see :) Sphenacodon (talk) 22:06, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

And wait a second, how did I miss the actual reason? I literally quoted the reason, asked why it's not helpful, and why this isn't applicable to a picture of the cover of any book? Sphenacodon (talk) 21:32, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

It's OK, you did quote it, just you copied the second part but missed the first part. I understood anyway - I wanted to make sure you did too. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:37, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Comment Hello everyone. I was pinged in here to comment since I have uploaded literally thousands and thousands of book cover images (and more recently began working on film posters as one of my next major projects which will never end). I work on book cover images very extensively. I would say that the image should have cause to be included provided it is properly uploaded using the file upload image tool and properly abides by non-free file upload use guidelines. These images are generally placed within infoboxes though, not as free floating images simply on any article. Also, if it is part of a series, then an image might not be appropriate because we generally upload such images just for the named article in keeping with the book with that specific title and not an image of one part in a greater series, if that makes sense? Otherwise, I don't think I see a problem here (just always be careful with how an image is uploaded, and if incorrectly uploaded, just delete it and go through the proper channels to upload the image). Iljhgtn (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I went ahead and deleted it. I still can't figure out image uploads so I give up. Sphenacodon (talk) 16:22, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

If the image is uploaded with proper fair use or non-free file uploads then there is no cause to delete it. If it is in violation of those, then there is. What are you unsure of? It can be confusing. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Non-free image

I decided to upload a non-free image of a deaceased person taken before their death. But the dimensions of the image are 150x253, and when I use Wikipedia:Non-free content/Image size calculator and IMAGE RESIZE CALCULATOR to get the new dimensions, it says 259x386, which is an increase in the resolution. Do I have to change the target size or can I use the image without resizing? Please help. Babin Mew (talk) 16:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Looking at that calculator, it appears to be specially made for situations where an image needs to be scaled down. I think the reason you got a result larger than your original is that your original is already well within the guidelines and doesn't need to be resized. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

(In other words, I think the calculator doesn't contain any extra programming to make it say "Your image is already small enough" - it just gives this slightly confusing result.) TooManyFingers (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Then I will use it without resizing. Babin Mew (talk) 16:49, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Judy Matheson

 Courtesy link: Judy Matheson

Some of Matheson’s valid & true credits keep getting excised, because apparently the only credit that can be offered is IMDB. I am at a loss to know how to add the many credits that someone in their wisdom has chosen to excise.What references can be used? Please advise. ~2025-40345-05 (talk) 13:35, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

If she is named in the film credits they can be cited; but we don't list every credit for every actor, even if so.

I have left some advice about a potential conflict of interest on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:11, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

If she's properly credited, then they don't need to be cited (as that's considered uncontroversial; viewing the credits would immediately verify). My understanding is a cite is only needed for credits if they went uncredited or took an Alan Smithee credit. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 15:29, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Of course Judy Matheson is in the credits of the work quoted; it seems this superMario editor is obsessed with getting her true & valid credits deleted. ~2025-40345-05 (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

There are times when a person's true credit should not appear in an article. For example, an article about a film shouldn't necessarily credit every person in it.

This case is not quite like that, because this article is about an actor, but it's still possible that the other editor has a point. IF they have a point, it's probably something like "This role was not an important one in the course of her career, and adding every single role clutters up the article with things that are embarrassingly unnecessary". As I said, that's IF they have a point, which I don't know. TooManyFingers (talk) 16:43, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Well, how do we know if that is his reason? And also who actually gives him/her the right to decide what is important in an actor’s ( or anybody’s) career. It seems to me this editor has been harassing this actor constantly & actually how has he/ she got that power? Mr Mouat (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

According to him, his reason is Wikipedia's explicit policy, stated in multiple places as mentioned above (actually below, on my screen), that IMDB is not a valid source for acting credits. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I know next to nothing about the movie world. Intelligent responsible editors in this thread have implied that they disagree with the policy, or at least they think reasonable exceptions should apply. I can't argue one way or the other because I simply don't know. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia's formal policies are very clear that IMDB cannot be a source for acting credits. There is an essay Wikipedia:Citing IMDb with a more lenient attitude, but even it calls acting credits a disputed use.

SuperMarioMan absolutely without a shadow of a doubt is editing according to policy in this case. The policy may be wrong; I can't comment on that. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Policies: Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:IMDB-EL, Wikipedia:Citing IMDb, Wikipedia:RS/IMDB TooManyFingers (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

If you are User:Billy Catt, please sign in to comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:42, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Settlers

Why do you use the word settler or colonizer in one sentence. You either get a settler which hace a complete different meaning tna a colo9nizer. I quote "a settler is a pioneer amongs te first setling of a place that is new to the settlemnt community." YOu dont get something like aa Settler Colonizer The Voortrekkers were Pioneers settlers- they had noCountry or Imperial who gave them money to build SA, they did it themselfs and they did not colonize any black land, should there be any land they possesses, it was paid in full and this was documented. I agree with you regarding Colonizers because that is exactly what happen today in South Africa

Please rectify this Thanking you

Leonie Booysen ~2025-40495-38 (talk) 17:33, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Leonie,

We report what is stated in reliable sources. If you can find reliable sources that refer to the voortrekkers in a particular way, then you can include that term and cite those sources. Athanelar (talk) 20:38, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Pushpa 3: The Rampage – Redirect issue

Hello, I need some guidance regarding redirects. I recently tried to create an article for an upcoming film titled Pushpa 3: The Rampage but I later realised that the title already exists as a redirect. I was not aware of this at the time. I am now working on the article in draft space, but I am unsure about the correct next steps. Should I continue improving the draft and submit it through AfC, or is there a proper way to request changes to the redirect once the draft is ready? Any guidance would be appreciated.. Draft:Pushpa 3: The Rampage. Edit by Sona (talk) 22:39, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello - I'm not a redirect expert, but to fill you in, in case you weren't aware of it: Wikipedia generally refuses articles for upcoming films unless main shooting has already begun. TooManyFingers (talk) 22:53, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Edit by Sona, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The answer to your question is that you should either submit it through AFC, in which case the accepting reviewer will sort out the redirect; or, if you are very sure that it would survive an WP:AFD, you can make a move request direct to mainspace.

But I agree with @TooManyFingers: see WP:NFF ColinFine (talk) 23:55, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Support improving a wiki draft page

I need help with improving this draft before it's reviewed Draft:En Derin. ~2025-33420-26 (talk) 09:31, 14 .December 2025 (UTC)

Hello. Can you describe what help you are seeking? You have already submitted it for a review, you may wait for the review to occur and see the feedback of the reviewer. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Submission declined. Are you the subject, or professionally or personally connected to them? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:16, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia Project: Women In Red

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women In Red

How do i add a wikidata entry to this project. There are a couple of women who need coverage but i don't know how to automatically populate the article from wikidata. The project info says red links are automatically generated from Wikidata. Is there a snippet i need to add? Any help? Heatrave (talk) 02:41, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

We don't really want automatically generated content. Instead write a prose article using reliable references. Then go to the Wikidata entry and add the link to the English language article you wrote. Just because there is an entry on Wikidata, it doesn't mean it should have an article, so please check the topic is notable before writing. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Presumably, you want to add those women to one or more of the lists at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index.

If the list is tagged "CS", you can edit it yourself.

If it is tagged "WD", it is compiled automatically, from the data in Wikidata. Make sure the subject's gender and occupation are included on their Wikidata item.

If you have further questions about the project, you can ask them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red, where more-specialist help will be available. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:26, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

What did they do?

Hi, I woke up with morning and checked Wikipedia and saw a message for my article that said: "The page South Kitsap Regional Park was connected to the Wikidata item Q137380006, where data relevant to the topic can be collected." What does this mean? Thanks! BluePixelLOLLL (talk • Signaturebook) 17:27, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@BluePixelLOLLL thats normal and nothing to worry about, its simply means article was linked to its matching Wikidata item that stores structured data like location and identifiers uses across Wikimedia CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 17:38, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for telling me! BluePixelLOLLL (talk • Signaturebook) 17:39, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@BluePixelLOLLL: Here is a little more background. The Wikidata item South Kitsap Regional Park (Q137380006) was created today by a bot and connected to South Kitsap Regional Park by listing the article under Wikipedia at "en" (English, the only current language). The coordinates were copied to Wikidata but the item currently has no other data so it's a bit boring. You were notified because you created the article, and "Connection with Wikidata" is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. See South Kitsap School District (Q7567626) or Dr Pepper (Q623561) for more interesting Wikidata items of articles you have recently edited. The latter has many languages which are automatically linked on the respective articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Okay! Now how do I add information to the Wikidata page? BluePixelLOLLL (talk • Signaturebook) 23:11, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@BluePixelLOLLL Please See Help Wikidata, Wikidata Introduction and WIKIDATA for guidance. CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 00:09, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

@BluePixelLOLLL: Most Wikipedia editors don't edit Wikidata and I wasn't suggesting you should do it but I see how my post could give that impression. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:29, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks! BluePixelLOLLL (talk • Signaturebook) 01:35, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

For background, see the encyclopedia article, Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:53, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Help rewriting AfC biography draft from sources

I am the subject of an AfC biography draft and have disclosed a conflict of interest. The draft was declined due to concerns about LLM-style writing. All statements are based on independent, reliable sources. I am seeking guidance from an uninvolved editor on how to rewrite or trim the draft directly from sources so it can meet AfC standards.

Draft:Joe Pennino

Drjoepennino (talk) 17:50, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

What kind of advice, exactly, are you seeking?

Also, please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY; writing an article about yourself is generally a doomed affair. Athanelar (talk) 18:41, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

I am seeking guidance on how an uninvolved editor would restructure or trim the draft so that it complies with AfC standards. Drjoepennino (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Well, first and foremost, your draft was declined not just for LLM tone but also for a lack of sources demonstrating the notability of the subject, and no amount of restructure/trim can overcome a lack of notability.

As a rule of thumb, you need to find three sources meeting the criteria outlined in our 'golden rule.' Then, you need to include only information which is discussed in those sources. This is obviously difficult when writing about yourself; you need to effectively forget everything you know about yourself and only write things that have already been written.

You should be mindful of passing mentions, i.e., sources that briefly mention your name but don't cover you in any depth.

It's also abundantly clear that you're using some kind of AI chatbot like ChatGPT to help you write this article (and, indeed, to talk to me); and you need to stop that. First of all, writing new articles from scratch using AI is not allowed, nor is using AI to communicate in discussions like this. Secondly, even if it were, they tend to 'hallucinate' information and sources; for example, your draft contains the statement [Joe Pennino] has also served in a senior administrative role in Roswell city government. which is linked to this article which doesn't mention your name at all.

In summary: find three sources which are not affiliated with you in any way, which cover you specifically and in depth, and aren't merely passing mentions of your name. Find these sources yourself, using google/other resources, and not using an AI to search for sources for you; because as you can see, it's turning up sources that don't even mention you at all. Then, summarise the information available in those sources (and ONLY that information) in the article; and again, do so in your own words, do not have an AI do this for you. Athanelar (talk) 18:54, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Athanelar. I appreciate the help. Drjoepennino (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I hope you are doing well.

Hello,

I am contacting you regarding the Algerian artist known in Algeria as "Max Marginal". Internationally, he is not a mainstream global artist, but he has received numerous articles and media coverage for his work. He was the founder of the technical death metal band "Silent Obsession" and the creator of “ Café Le Boulevard,” a cultural café concept aimed at bringing together local artists for live interviews. He is also active as an artist in the "folk-rock" genre.

Silent Obsession has been featured in several outlets, including Metal Hammer Italia and many others. Le Café Le Boulevard was covered by the local Algerian newspaper L’Expression DZ . His folk-rock music has also received multiple articles worldwide and very positive reviews for his singles.

Do you think it would be possible for him to have a Wikipedia page? If not, could you please advise on the steps to follow?

Thank you very much, and have a good evening.

Karlito Karlito 1982 (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, we can only give advice based on what sourcing he has; please see Wikipedia's general notability guidelines, and reliable sources. Could you please link some of the articles/media coverage? Thanks. jolielover♥talk 18:22, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for your reply and for your guidance.

Here are some examples of independent media coverage related to Max Marginal and his projects:

– Articles and reviews about the band "Silent Obsession" published by international metal media (including Metal Hammer Italy and other specialized outlets)

https://www.metalhammer.it/2022/01/05/silent-obsession-il-nuovo-singolo-della-band-algerina/?fbclid=IwY2xjawOr4jxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeCm314cNezR5duxo03_l01hu4bVv0jsEmTHEUHQxGpAchrKIStPAdGsl7N_4_aem_zjkcJAprK9p30AF1WN_5mQ

https://metal-temple.com/review/silent-obsession-countdown/

– Press coverage and interviews related to Max Marginal’s folk-rock solo work, with reviews published by international webzines.

https://www.musicnewsmonthly.com/in-review-max-marginal-home-aint-on-the-map.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawOr4wxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeHS--pOW_vRmdeCIxhVxij_2wAe39dwW39YawBubRohGKAthe4JcooH0T7vo_aem_tu7UBUYeDMMdBk3JeSFxbQ

https://musicmediamadrid.com/max-marginal/?fbclid=IwY2xjawOr42pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeH_uf50V7LJuRv0DqBWt6XuSYSFmudnbZwOopNat0H-llvf6jpcdYFpR2LDQ_aem_ELw-U9nhNwhZ6JgKSnZT2w

https://www.coyotemusic.com/artists/max-marginal?fbclid=IwY2xjawOr5LdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeGhp6ivnmtvOEHGkJrwniPpiG9hAyuQ_MXwBnDYcmfokbb4GHoGxdL0lr_dc_aem_7e1nIIA3FB0qJ3FAuL7DpA

– An article about *Le Café Le Boulevard* published by the Algerian newspaper "L’Expression DZ".

https://lexpressiondz.com/chroniques/de-quoi-jme-mele/le-cafe-le-boulevard-deux-ans-au-service-de-la-scene-artistique-algerienne-330118?fbclid=IwY2xjawOr4qBleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFZRDFaT3d2eVFCY3NFbEJWc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHv9PnhIjc_mS-5MSw9E_vAZ6yrE0gKeOhfdgEwu150Vbh4d_sIUYpPdVbcST_aem_Q37HB2U6KRXi1QOWAeWQZQ

I can provide direct links to these articles if needed, and I am currently compiling them in one place to ensure they meet Wikipedia’s sourcing requirements.

Please let me know if this type of coverage would be considered sufficient, or if more specific sources are required.

Thank you again for your time and help.

Best regards, Karlito 1982 (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

@Karlito 1982, could you maybe write your comments without the use of AI? PhoenixCaelestis ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 19:29, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Karlito 1982.

Does each of those meet all the criteria in golden rule?

Interviews with the subject or their associates are usually not independent, though sometimes there may be some introductory material which does not appear to come from the subject.

Reviews of works are often good sources for those works, but unless they contain significant coverage of the artist, they do not meet the requirements for an article on the artist. ColinFine (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2025 (UTC)