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Vandalism

How do people here fight vandalism, and how do I detect if there is vandalism on a page immediately? Pooongus- (talk) 19:35, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

The recent changes filter can help. You can use different filters to sort out which edits are most likely to be in bad faith.

I wrote a short essay on fighting vandalism if you'd like to read it: User:JohnLaurens333/Vandalism reverting for beginners. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 19:56, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Pooongus- (talk) 19:58, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Just adding that if you are looking for vandalisms on a specific page, you can also add it to your watchlist. LkL-70547 (talk) 00:02, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Some of us have tools like twinkle and cvpi Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 01:17, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Us Wikipedians fight vandals by getting them AIV'ed. This includes warning them and bringing this up to admins as soon as possible and getting them blocked if it's repeated.

We can differentiate between real vandalism and constructive edits just by looking at it.

Vandalism typically involves removing and altering content to make the article seem confusing for people and prevent them from being curious about info. Constructive editing deepens the article's topic, gives more helpful info and does the total opposite of (or reverts) the vandalism.

If you're asking about the detection of vandalism, I think the dashboard feature will help. It unlocks when you make at least 100 edits to the English Wikipedia. There you can find various active discussions and recent changes. You can review them, and respond to them. Even thanking will help. I'm sure they want to thank you for your hard work at building an encyclopedia! SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 10:39, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

2-8-2

hi me again I found some documents and it proves that the Queensland 8d15 class tanks became 2-8-0s so on the page for the Whyte notation, 2-8-2, can someone edit the first known tank engine variant instead of 2-8-4 it should say 2-8-2. Dubs123456 (talk) 03:24, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

I am definitely not an expert in the subject, but whatever change you want to make, you'll need a reliable source to support it. See WP:RS. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)}

Hi Dubs123456. You can either be WP:BOLD or be WP:CAUTIOUS. If you quite sure that the sources/documents you found meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source, then you boldly change the article yourself and cite in the source in response. Please note, though, that official documents tend to often be seen as WP:PRIMARY sources, and there are limits as to how they may be used as citations for the content of Wikipedia articles. If you're not sure how to format a citation, take a look at Help:Referencing for beginners for some basics.

If you're not sure about the relibability of the source, worried you might make a mess if you try to make the changes yourself, or are worried for some other reason, you can be cautious and propose the changes you feel need to be made by starting a discussion about them at Talk:2-8-2. You could also seek assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains since that's where you're likely to find other Wikipedians who know about or are interested in trains.

Finally, if you're bold and do make the changes yourself, you must understand that another user can disagree with them and undo them. If that happens you should follow Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and use the article's talk page to discuss things with the other person. Don't simply keep trying to force the changes into the article because this will almost certainly be seen as Wikipedia:Edit warring no matter how right you think you are. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:16, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

well according to photos and looking at the rebuilt 8d15 class locos I can confirm that they evolved into 2-8-0s thanks for the info Dubs123456 (talk) 05:36, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

@Dubs123456: Unless you're condidered by other reliable sources to be also be a reliable source on the 2-8-2 and have published on the matter, what you see in the photos is likely going to be considered Wikipedia:Original research and not something that should be cited as a source per Wikipedia:Verifiability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:06, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

i looked on the Wikipedia article for 8d15 no mention of it being a 2-8-4 according to steamlocomotive.com it says evolved into 2-8-0 Dubs123456 (talk) 08:30, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are not reliable as sources for other Wikipedia articles. You'll need evidence that comes from published reporters. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 14:44, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

bud read the second half Dubs123456 (talk) 20:00, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

@Dubs123456: Teahouse hosts are, for the most part, able to answer general questions about Wikipedia editing or Wikipedia's various policies/guidelines; they can, for example, try to explain how a particular policy/guideline tends to be applied in a certain situation. If you're looking for more specific input regarding a particular type of train/locomotive like the 2-8-2, then your best bet is likely going to be asking for help at WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains. Whether a website like steamlocomotive.com is even considered a reliable source for trains for Wikipedia's purposes is probably something a member of WikiProject Trains could better assess. Wikipedia articles in and of themselves aren't considered a reliable source for any purpose; this is pretty much because Wikipedia articles are user-generated content that can be change at anytime by anyone who wants to. I'm not a content expert on the 8d15 and can't say what's right or what's wrong. If you're looking for someone knowlegable about such things, WikiProject Trains is, once again, probably your best bet. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:41, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

thanks Dubs123456 (talk) 01:40, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

i was dumb. Dubs123456 (talk) 01:19, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

התנהגות לא מכבדת

אני רוצה לדווח על משתמש שמדבר בצורה לא מכבדת ופוגעת אני מבקש שתבדקו את המקרה ותפלו בו בהתאם לכלךים של ויקיפדיה ~2026-49183-23 (talk) 12:42, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

[Google: "I would like to report a user who is speaking in a disrespectful and offensive manner. I ask that you investigate the matter and handle it in accordance with Wikipedia's rules."]

If that occurred on this, the English-language Wikipedia, please follow the process described at WP:DR

If it was on the Hebrew-language Wikipedia, you will need to raise the matter there; you may do so on he:ויקיפדיה:דלפק ייעוץ. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 12:56, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

I know how to handle this. Give me a second. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 13:48, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

I should note that this TA has not made any edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia at all, and they also haven't made any edits here except for the one above. Not sure if the same TA can be seen editing multiple wikis or if it would show differently, but without additional information I'm not sure how best to help them other than by directing them to the Hebrew Wikipedia. In solidarity, Gommeh ^{(talk 🎮 sign)} 14:08, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Yep, very strange. They haven't made any edits on the Hebrew Wikipedia as I checked yesterday. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 23:27, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

זוהי הגרסה האמריקאית הראשית של ויקיפדיה. אני חושב שעליך לעשות זאת בעמוד שהרגע הראינו לך. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 13:50, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

@SlapstickHumor360!, I would like to point out that this is not the "American" version of Wikipedia, it is the English (language) version. ColinFine (talk) 15:09, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

I used Google Translate for this matter. I thought Wikipedia originated from the US, so I just said "main US Wikipedia". SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 23:25, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Hmm... maybe someone might come along and offer to give us all $5,000 if it gets renamed "Wikipedia of America"? --Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 11:15, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

LOL! I can't waste another second laughing at that. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 12:53, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Make Wikipedia Great Again should be a slogan for someone who wants to become admin here. (joking) In solidarity, Gommeh ^{(talk 🎮 sign)} 14:26, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I want to write a page about my cat, is my word a viable source?

I'm trying to write a page about my dear Raúl, but I do not know if I, or my mom, count as a good source for it. Can anyone help me with this dilemma? Mumush (talk) 14:23, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi, Mumush, welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, no, your word does not count as a reliable source; reliable sources must be publsihed. Moreover, topics for Wikipedia articles must need the Wikipedia threshold of "notability" before an article can be written, so your cat almost certainly doesn't qualify--even though I'm quite convinced he's one of the best cats there is. Cheers, Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:25, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

aw man,,, Mumush (talk) 14:42, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Mumush. Please note that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a blogging platform or social media. Pleas write about your cat on another more suitable website :) qcne (talk) 14:48, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

but what if I want to archive my cat into an encyclopedia? Mumush (talk) 15:13, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Then you'll have to find a different encyclopaedia that is not Wikipedia to do that! qcne (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia just isn't that encyclopedia. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:15, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Check out Everything2, perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:14, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@Mumush Yes, you can do so here. Just keep in mind that normal userspace guidelines still apply. ;) Fengrímur (talk) 07:25, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Technically correct, but it would get deleted per WP:UPNOT and be a waste of peoples time, so it's a bad idea. Better to write off-WP somewhere. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:40, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Awh. Sorry @Mumush – as you can see – you shouldn't do that. Unless... it becomes some sort of sandbox formatting test-page and whatnot to make it "directly related to Wikipedia's goals". Well, probably better to search for some sort of cat-pedia. Fengrímur (talk) 07:50, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Template talk: Rivers of Germany

Hello, I need help. It concerns the "Rivers of Germany" talk page (the template). I need someone to read through the entire discussion there and provide an objective opinion on it. Furthermore, that person should closely examine the template itself and the changes that have been made to it. I am being prevented from improving the template and drawn into discussions that seem designed to eventually lead to me being blocked. Si9mon (talk) 21:10, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Template talk:Rivers of Germany I am bad at usernames (talk · contribs) 22:21, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Si9mon, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a content dispute (the fact that it relates to a template rather than an article does not alter that). dispute resolution explains the steps to take if it cannot be resolved by discussion. ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk-page discussion is ongoing; I would try to get a third opinion as well. Lectonar (talk) 08:40, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies. I have one more quick question: what do I need to type to alert a user that I’ve written something concerning them? The user's name is: FromCzech Si9mon (talk) 10:43, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Pinging-..there are multiple ways to do it...see Help:Notifications. Lectonar (talk) 11:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I have a major problem: I want to expand and improve the "Rivers of Germany" template. Apart from me, there is only one other user interested in the template, yet this user blocks any changes I make that don't suit him, citing "no consensus." It is impossible to work this way. The user only became aware of the template in the first place because I added it to a few pages for rivers that also flow through the Czech Republic. Since then, he has constantly interfered with my attempts to expand it, even though he has neither an interest in nor any knowledge of German rivers. How am I ever supposed to make changes when a single user can simply undo anything he dislikes, regardless of whether the changes were objectively good or bad? Si9mon (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

That's why I mentioned the 3rd opinion...not everyone around is river-savvy. Lectonar (talk) 11:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

And we actually have Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers...don't know how active they are, though. Lectonar (talk) 11:04, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. The instructions say: "and signing the edit using four tildes." Do I need to insert the four tildes again right after the highlighted username, or is it enough if the four tildes appear at the end of the message anyway? Si9mon (talk) 11:30, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

At the end is enough. Lectonar (talk) 12:04, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@Si9mon I have read much of the disussion, including the previous Teahouse thread at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1303#river_templates. My view is that the extra information you wish to include would be best placed within List of rivers of Germany. Accordng to WP:NAV, navigation templates are intentionally relatively simple and, importantly, are not visible to users of the mobile version of Wikipedia. (There is a long-standing wish to make them so.) Note that it would be acceptable to include a link to the list article within the template. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

It hasn't been about sorting the template by river length or including length figures—as I originally intended—for a long time now. By this point, the real issue is that it’s impossible for me to make *any* changes to the template (which is still full of gaps and errors) because there is only one other user besides me who takes an interest in it. And that user can block any and all changes simply by claiming there is no consensus. I have to discuss and get approval from this other user for every single minor tweak. But he has no desire to add new rivers to the template or change the format, so the template is forced to remain as poor as it currently is. Just look at the French template by comparison. The situation is ridiculous :-) Si9mon (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

how to change what the username looks like

not exactly the greatest title, but I have been noticing other people having their own custom-styled username

could it be some paid subscription that gives you access to customize your username somehow? I hope not, cuz I genuinely want to customize my username sometime in the future

even if it is free, is there truly a way to customize what your username looks and appears? TuffMangoPhonk6741 (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

I know what you're talking about, and it's free, in the user profile tab in preferences, there's a section called signature, where you can put whatever as your custom signature. I made mine using wikitext, in case you're curious, the code is just {{SUBST:Keypress|[[User: Thx56|Thx56]]}} | [[User talk:Thx56|Talk to me!]] to give you an idea of what you can do. I'm not sure how to create the more advanced usernames I've seen, you might have to do more research into wikitext, or just ask whoever you see with a cool username. Good luck customizing! Thx56 | Talk to me! 21:26, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

isn't there an article about this? I strive for customization... TuffMangoPhonk6741 (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @TuffMangoPhonk6741, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please see WP:Signatures (which also links to WP:Signature tutorial). ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

k thanks for the link, my signature looks better now TuffMangoPhonk6741🥭🥭 (those who talk 💀) 19:15, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Go to your "preferences" and go to the signature section. There you can customize your signature however you like. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 01:33, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

No, this site does not have anything paywalled, thankfully.

Sigs also must abide to certain things regarding to color, which I had to deal with. Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 14:34, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

The basic rule is that it has to be readable in both light mode and dark mode, even to elderly Wikipedians like me whose eyes aren't too good. A quick mode switch should let you know if it works both ways. M kuhner (talk) 06:02, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Members of U.S. Congress

Request for thought partnership around standardization of members of Congress in the U.S. and support on templatizing

I apologize if this isn't the correct forum for this but I just discovered the Teahouse and would appreciate any input. I have recently been trying to determine a clear standard for the structure and content of articles about U.S. members of Congress. Beyond the core Manual of Style elements, these articles tend to vary in section order, template use, and overall content. I created a proposal for standard section order and for standardizing the layout of electoral history at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress/Members, though the WikiProject is pretty quiet and I have not had much input there. So the first thing I would appreciate is just general feedback and input, as well as any pointers about whether I am duplicating work that already exists elsewhere. I do have some specific questions though:

• In most cases, articles have a specific section called "U.S. House of Representatives" and/or "U.S. Senate", but many members of Congress also held previous electoral roles at city and state levels. Some articles have a separate section dedicated to each tier of government eg. "California State Assembly" and "California State Senate" would each be separate sections. This is my preference. However, on some articles, like Kevin Kiley (politician) or Mike Thompson, these are grouped together under a "State Legislature" or "Early Political Career." When there is enough information to do so, is it ok to break these up into separate sections? Is there any kind of standard for what warrants its own section?
• Some politicians have held nonconsecutive terms in the same office, with something else in between. I have come across articles, like John Garamendi, where each term has its own section in order to maintain chronology of the article. Would it be ok to merge these and note the separate terms as subsections? Or should they stay separate?

Some more technical things:

• Is there a way to define a color at the top of an article so that I don't have to use "style=..." every time and can shorthand it? Something like CNone is easy to remember and type and I use it often, and I'd like to define another color in the same way.
• Not a specific question but I would like to templatize the electoral history table to make things easier for other editors, but I've never created a template before and have already run into a lot of roadblocks. Would anyone be up for assisting and/or answering a lot of questions? For that I'd prefer to sidebar on my talk page or at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Congress

Thank you in advance! 0113j (talk) 23:27, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

1. When there's enough information, check if the article is too long. If it is, then it's against summary style; break it into new articles if you're even allowed (leave a message on the talk page of the articles and wait for a response). If it's not, then I guess you're free to break them up into sections.
2. I don't think so. Editors usually call out for the splitting of articles when it's like 15,000 words long, so your assertion raises up my eyebrows a bit. But you can, however, if you deem the articles relatively short.
3. I don't understand what you mean by "color at the top of an article". Could you clarify? Maybe some other experienced editor will attend to you.
4. Templates are created and edited by template editors. I guess you have to contact one to guide you if that's even possible.

SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 00:19, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

1+2. I’m not referring to splitting articles, I’m referring to splitting sections within articles. It is not at all to do with the length of the article but more so about what should have its own section vs what should be a subsection. I understand that length is a factor, but it is not the only factor. What assertion did I make that raised your eyebrows?

3. I edit the source rather than using the visual editor, and in wikitext it is possible to define certain elements for use across a page or across the site. For example, CNone (when typed inside curly brackets) is a common color that is defined for use across the site. Within an article, it is possible to define a citation with a specific name the first time it is used, and then refer to it with that short name in later uses in the article to avoid having to put the whole citation every time. I am wondering if the same is possible for a color that is frequently used within an article.

4. That is simply not true. Help:Template and other pages about template creation make it clear that anyone can create a template. I am just struggling with some of the specifics. 0113j (talk) 01:10, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

1+2. Well in that case, splitting sections within articles is a good idea actually. "These" is a bit vague, so I assumed that you were merging articles.

3+4. I don't think that's possible at all. I think you're supposed to repeat yourself with the color. Sometimes I do "template in a template", which you put an existing template code into a new template page, and modify some things. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 01:32, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Where can i find assistance for my draft

Im trying to find people to help me with Draft:Tribal Wars 2 and make it better and stuff, im trying to find dedicated people who can help me find sources, and info, and make it be able to be submitted for draft and stuff. I am new to wikipedia so i want people to work with. Ty EzYop (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

You should know about the history of Tribal Wars 2 and add a section to it. The Tribal Wars 1 article also has a dedicated "game mechanics" section, and it can also be in the Tribal Wars 2 article. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 01:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@EzYop The first problem is that you're writing your article backwards. You need to find sources first.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what the majority of people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, (see Golden rule) and not much else. What you know (or anybody else knows) about the subject is not relevant except where it can be verified from a reliable published source. Athanelar (talk) 06:33, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Except, Athanelar, that EzYop has merely changed one word within a sorry little stub created by somebody else. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:22, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

the someone else was my old account EzYop (talk) 17:18, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Ancient Egypt + vector graphics?

Hey all - really out of the blue and kinda broad question here. I've been troweling around various articles about Ancient Egypt here on Wikipedia, and I've noticed that most of the artwork I see (e.g., of Egyptian deities) is rendered as vector graphics. Why is this the case? I haven't noticed that kind of consistency with artwork related to other topics, and am really curious about how/why this is... (The image quality is great and very appreciated. It's helped me appreciate Ancient Egyptian aesthetics in a new way.) ~2026-49286-73 (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Presumably someone with an interest in ancient Egypt also had an interest in vector graphics. Wikipedia is volunteer based, so the work usually reflects the interests and abilities of volunteers. CMD (talk) 03:02, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-49286-73: I clicked images in articles in Category:Egyptian deities and found many uploads by User:PharaohCrab. See User:PharaohCrab/modern drawings of ancient Egyptian deities, User:PharaohCrab/my egyptian god vectors, User:PharaohCrab/Eternal Space Ancient Egyptian deities. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:37, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks to you and @CMD for your answers! Very cool to see that just a few people can have such a big impact on my experience of this site. (Also shouts out to @PharaohCrab and @Eternal Space) ~2026-49286-73 (talk) 04:47, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! PharaohCrab speak𓀁 works𓀨 10:09, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

How to get a page removed

I host a site that corresponds with this valid page - Golden Valley County, North Dakota

How can this bad page for a non-existant place be removed from Wikipedia: National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Golden_Valley_County,_Nevada ? Foghorn1989 (talk) 09:07, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Foghorn1989. I don't understand your question. The article you linked, National Register of Historic Places listings in Golden Valley County, Nevada does not exist and has never existed as far as I can tell. So, there's nothing to be removed? Could you clarify? qcne (talk) 09:11, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I think this is meant: National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_North_Dakota#Golden_Valley_County...but still don't understand what they want us to do. Lectonar (talk) 09:19, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Are you suggesting Sentinel Butte Public School should be deleted? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:06, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

It is already under "former listings", though, which seems to be the usual way of dealing with delistings from the national register. Lectonar (talk) 12:21, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I thought the picture sort of hints the school has been demolished, but idk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:24, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Well, it's in Category:Demolished buildings and structures in North Dakota, so that's another hint. Deor (talk) 13:04, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

It is, but it's also a clear WP:CATVER fail. By which I mean that is so, the article should be arsed to actually mention it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Indeed...but even doing so won't remove the article, and as long as the article is there it ought to be mentioned as a former listing in the national register I guess. Lectonar (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Title change

How do you change an article's title? I noticed this article seems to have a typo in the name. Or is this intentional? Eh-st-har (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@Eh-st-har I think you're right, see WP:MOVE on how to do it. Possibly that article should be deleted as well, but that's another question. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:08, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I agree, and I've PRODded the article because it's an obvious WP:NOTNEWS vio. Athanelar (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Attention please!

Someone educate me on why the deputy Governor of Bank of Ghana, Zakari Mumuni has a Wikipedia page but not showing on Google and what can be done about it. ~2026-49213-30 (talk) 12:10, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

To appear in Google search results, an article must first be marked as patrolled by a New Pages Patroller; or 90 days have passed since creation. 331dot (talk) 12:15, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. How do we contact a New Pages Patroller for this? The class don’t have 90 days to complete the assignment. I digged deep to even come up with this. It could have been easier seeing it on Google. ~2026-49213-30 (talk) 14:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Who is we? Lectonar (talk) 14:02, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

My class I mean ~2026-49213-30 (talk) 14:03, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

The New Pages queue has 27,600 unpatrolled pages. Why should this article jump that queue? I am sure all the article authors would like an on-demand patrol. qcne (talk) 14:06, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Note that we cannot accommodate any deadlines you might be under. If you have been asked to do this as part of a class assignment, that is extremely unfair to you, and feel free to show your teacher/instructor this message. Your teacher/instructor should review the Wikipedia Education Program materials to design lessons that don't involve processes outside of the control of the students. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

There are several ways people can see the article even if it is not yet indexed by search engines. Wikipedia's internal search should work. Or you can copy the URL of the article and share that with people who need to see it. M kuhner (talk) 05:59, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Review requested: J. Williams Thorne article expansion

I am a relatively new editor and a descendant of the subject of J. Williams Thorne. I have disclosed the COI and prepared a sourced sandbox rewrite rather than editing the article directly. There is already a COI edit request, but the queue is large. Are there any additional appropriate WikiProjects or review venues where I should neutrally request an uninvolved historical editor to review the draft? User:Banker1983/J._Williams_Thorne_draft Banker1983 (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

You could try posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government. I see you've already also posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject North Carolina. In solidarity, Gommeh ^{(talk 🎮 sign)} 14:43, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I’ll post the review request there as well. I appreciate the guidance. Banker1983 (talk) 15:43, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@Banker1983 Both your proposed rewrite and youe comment here seem to be AI generated. AI generated content isn't allowed in Wikipedia articles, so if that's the case your proposal cannot be accepted. Athanelar (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

WikEd

Hi, in another WP language I have a Wikied button: "Automatic adjust". Here I do not have it, but different buttons. Which button removes extra (redundant) spaces? Thank you, _Dgw|Talk 14:47, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi Dorian Gray Wild. Which language, and is "Automatic adjust" the exact text when you hover over the button? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi, the lower buttons in the pt WP editing Wikied interface are in this order from left to right: Publish changes (blue), Show preview (white), Show changes (white), Ajustes automáticos (white), Cancel (a word in red).

In the en WP editing Wikied interface I have only these lower buttons from left to right: Publish changes (blue), Show preview (white), Show changes (white), Cancel (a word in red). _Dgw|Talk 07:13, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Dorian Gray Wild: Thanks for revealing the language and actual text so I can find the feature your refer to. "Wikied" usually refers to wikEd but not in your post. In pt:Usuário:Dorian Gray Wild/common.js you load a Portuguese user script which adds the button. You can try adding the same code in your common JavaScript here at the English Wikipedia. I don't know the script or whether it does something useful here but the load command specifies pt. in the url and does load the script. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter. I inserted it, then removed. Ajustes automáticos replaced "cite web" to "citar web". Not useful for English. Is there a similar script (or wikEd command) in English which removes extra spaces? _Dgw|Talk 19:01, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Why is Self-published not allowed?

I am creating an Article Draft: Kumardungi. DoubleGrazing, the reviewer has rejected my article for:

" Citypopulation.de is a self-published source, can you find something more reliable? ".

Why Self-published sources are not allowed? Rajdhani Fan Person (talk) 15:16, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

The content of self-published sources is often unreliable or incorrect. See WP:Self-published sources for the official policy on them. I am bad at usernames (talk · contribs) 15:54, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Self-published sources are disallowed because it implies that the content did not go through rigourous fact-checking and editorial processes. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Look out it's Jimothy!} 16:25, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Jharkhand state emblem

I want to upload the seal/logo of the Government of Jharkhand and it's related ministries from the official Chief Minister's portal (https://cm.jharkhand.gov.in/). The website says its material may be reproduced free of charge, subject to certain conditions. Is this sufficient to upload the logo to Wikimedia Commons and if so, under what licence? Please help! Flashthomsom (talk) 15:52, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@Flashthomsom This is a question best asked at Commons: see c:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. The answer may depend on the "certain conditions" and state governments in India are more restrictive than the national government, for which see details at c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India#Copyright_tags Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

User deleteing edits which are correct.

Please can you do something with (Alibene567) He keeps deleting edited pages. Like he is doing it for fun. ~2026-48833-90 (talk) 16:15, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

According to his edit history he doesn't. - Walter Ego 16:20, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-48833-90 I note that User:Alibene567 has made over 69.000 edits in the four+ years they have been editing Wikipedia, so you are going to have to be much more specific if you have a genuine complaint. If you have a content dispute, take it up on the talk page of the article in question. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I should also say — when we talk about 'deleting' a page, we mean that the entire page stops existing (or, rather, becomes inaccessible to anyone who's not a Wikipedia admin).

Alibene567 is not a Wikipedia admin. They do not have page-deletion privileges. They can remove content from a page, but the page itself is not deleted, and if the removal is inappropriate, it can be reversed. DS (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Adding Photos from Wikicommons

Hi, I'm an inexperienced editor who just got my first article published. I have two photos in Wikicommons that I want to add to the article Ted Leland. I'm struggling to figure out that process. Thanks. Dougmcilhagga (talk) 18:40, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

I looked at your account and I don't see any photos you've uploaded to Commons. If you haven't uploaded them there already, and they meet the Commons rules and guidelines, can you please do so? Once you have that done, add your file name to the image section of the infobox on the Ted Leland article, or put the text [[File:Your filename.png|thumb|Your caption]] where you want the picture in the article if you don't want it in an infobox. If you need more assistance, there's a guide available at Help:Pictures. I am bad at usernames (talk · contribs) 19:09, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

Interesting! I had the photos in the article twice in the early stages of development, and they disappeared. I'll attempt to upload again, thanks! Dougmcilhagga (talk) 19:29, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

If the images were deleted by a Commons admin, please don't reupload them without significant changes or without contacting the deleting admin. I am bad at usernames (talk · contribs) 19:31, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

The images are now here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 18:58, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

And they've gone again. Judging by what's in the Upload Log, they're not the OP's own images to upload, but come from the Stanford University Department of Athletics. Maybe try posting on Commons:Permission_requests? in solidarity Chuntuk (talk) 08:53, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

See WP:Images for beginners. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 19:01, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi Dougmcilhagga. Even though Commons and Wikipedia are part of the same Wikimedia Foundation family and overlap a bit when it comes to some things, they're still separate project with their own policies and guidelines; so, if you're going to be uploading images to Commons, you will need to make sure they meet c:Commons:Licensing. The two files you uploaded c:File:Leland01 mug.jpg and c:File:Ted Leland Sears Cup.jpg were deleted by Commons administrators because there was no way to verify their licensing; in other words, there was no way for Commons to verify that the copyright holder had given their c:Commons:Consent for the files to be uploaded. Commons will only host content that can be verified to have been released by their copyright holders under a license that's free enough (i.e., subject to no or only very minimal copyright restrictions) for its purposes; anything else tends to be deleted when found. The names of the Commons' administrators who deleted the files can be found on the file pages of the deleted files; so, if you think an error was made, you can post a message on their user talk pages and explain why. You might, though, want to tak a look at c:Commons:Own work, c:Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter#Internet images, and c:Commons:Uploading works by a third party first because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding some important things about Commons and image licensing, and making a mistake that many others have made in the past: assuming that uploading content created by others to Commons is automatically OK because the content somehow becomes the uploader's "own work" since they downloaded/scanned/photographed from the some publication/website. Finally, I don't suggest you try to reupload these files again (either to Commons or English Wikipedia) until you're able to straighten out their licensing issues. It's easy to make mistakes when it comes to image licensing; so, there kind of expected and won't be help against those ho do. If, however, the same person continues to make the same mistake and continues upload files (particularly the same files), then adminstrators (both on Commons and English Wikipedia) tend to be less understanding and are more likely to block the account in question to stop it from uploading any more files with problematic licensing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:40, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

literature on the Indigenous community

TLDR What if the academic literature on the Indigenous community is still very racist? And factually incorrect. Like " 'The language is dead' but 'we literally know a guy who speaks it'"-type statements?

I've been editing the Muisca article for over a decade (not always on the same account), mostly correcting claims that don't hold up against more recent academic sources (for example, that Chibcha is a dead language, when it's documented as being maintained through family and community networks and is now undergoing formal revitalization).

The article's cleanup banner asks for serious academic research rather than news or blog sources, which I understand and support. My question is about sourcing in cases where:

Older academic literature reflects outdated or colonial-era framing that more recent scholarship has revised or rejected Some of the most current, directly relevant information comes from primary sources like statements or documentation from the community's own governing councils (Suba, Bosa, Cota, Chía, Sesquilé), rather than from published academic journals and even violate principles on engaging with Indigenous knowledge that are aligned with UN resolutions like The United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP).

What's the right way to handle sourcing hierarchy in this situation? Is there guidance on weighing newer academic sources against older ones when they conflict, and is there a path for incorporating documented community/council statements as supplementary sources even though they wouldn't meet WP:RS on their own? ~2026-49272-70 (talk) 19:40, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

The relevant section you are thinking about is probably WP:AGE MATTERS, so it is perfectly legitimate for Wikipedia to disregard sources based on age. However, given WP:V is not negotiable, the logical conclusion to me is that those statements should just be removed altogether, until secondary reliable sources start mentioning them.

Also, I assume you are aware of guidelines like WP:PRIMARY and WP:SELFPUB which do allow blogs (especially of experts) and primary sources in limited cases. LkL-70547 (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

It is often appropriate to put older sources into context, rather than removing them completely. "Topic A was described as ABC in the 18th century but by the 21st it was described as ABC", for example. It does depend on the topic. 331dot (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

My deleted Wikipedia page

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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To whom it may concern:

       A Chinese editor posted a completely accurate page about my career as an historian of Japan.  Within 6 weeks it was unfairly deleted.
       I have written 7 monographs on Japanese history, including one that won a prize.  I have held 2 endowed chairs, including the prestigious Sen Chair at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.  I have appeared on NHK in Japan, KBS in South Korea, and on TV in the US.  I was a Visiting Professor at Harvard.
       Why was my page deleted?  I am mentioned under several topics for Wikipedia, including Japan-Korea relations, Japanese population, Epidemics, etc.
       I ask you most humbly to repost my page.

Sincerely, William Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 00:34, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Wwfarris 33: The article William Farris was deleted per Wikipedia:Speedy deletion#G5 because it was created by a banned or blocked user. See Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Lounghuang Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Lounghuang. The user keeps creating accounts and edit against our policies, probably undisclosed paid editing. I suspect you paid them after getting false promises. See Wikipedia:Scam warning. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Hey PrimeHunter, Wwfarris 33 disclosed to me on my talk page that they did in fact pay the author. Bennett Li11 (talk) 01:34, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, Wwfarris told me on my talk page that he DID PAY someone to write the article. Bennett Li11 (talk) 02:45, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Wwfarris 33 I'm afraid you've been scammed by the person who contacted you. It's a very common scam; in this case, they have clearly been blocked for the same thing before.

Furthermore, Wikipedia is not a record of achievement. It is not a place to promote yourself or to enshrine your work for posterity. All we are is an encyclopedia which has articles about subjects that have been robustly reported on in other secondary sources. If you want to see the kind of requirements you'd need to meet to deserve an article here, you can take a look at WP:NACADEMIC.

My genuine advice, though, would be to forget all about the whole thing. We are sorry for the money you wasted in paying the scammer. Please ignore any such requests in the future, and do not concern yourself with getting a Wikipedia article. It is not some trophy to aspire to. Athanelar (talk) 11:34, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

My well-deserved Wikipedia page was deleted without thought!

To who it may concern:

     I am a distinguished historian of Japan.  A Wikipedia page was posted for me, but I did not realize that the one who posted it was banned.
     Despite this unfortunate circumstance, I deserve a Wikipedia page.  I have published 7 monographs on Japanese history, one of which won a prize.  I have held 2 endowed chairs, including the prestigious Sen Chair at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.  I have appeared on both NHK in Japan and KBS in South Korea.  I have appeared on US TV.  My work is cited in several Wikipedia entries, including the samurai, Japanese population, Japan-Korean ancient ties, epidemics, etc.
     Surely you can post a page like the one that was deleted.
     Please advise.

Sincerely, William Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 01:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I should say, nobody "deserves" a Wikipedia page. It's not a reward or a punishment. We have articles on terrible people. Murderers. Legislators. DS (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I deserve it b/c of my contributions to the study of Japanese and world history.

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 02:32, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Wwfarris 33, Maybe you ask someone who has a neutral perspective of view, the person who posted did not disclose that they were paid. Bennett Li11 (talk) 02:49, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Izno: - pinging admin who deleted the page on 22 Aug 2026. Relevant here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lounghuang/Archive.--Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 03:07, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

From skimming through your discussion in the help desk, I saw that you said the previous article was deleted for being in violation of G5. That just means a banned user created the article in violation of their ban. Despite that, after a cursory look at Google, I am unsure if you meet Wikipedia:Notability (academics). If you don't meet NACADEMIC, a Wikipedia article about you cannot exist until you meet the criteria. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 03:09, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

All I can say is that if an eminent historian of Japan with my record of accomplishment and contribution to the field of Japanese history is not entitled to his own Wikipedia page, then ther is something disingenuous about Wikipedia.

William Wayne Farris, Sen Chair Emeritus Wwfarris 33 (talk) 08:15, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

We do not need your word that you are an eminent historian, we need independent reliable sources wholly unconnected with you that describe you that way and show how you meet WP:NACADEMIC.

You could also try writing on the Japanese Wikipedia, which likely has looser standards for inclusion than we do. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

My book reviews and the prize I won, 2 endowed chairs. so on and so on.

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Could you list some reliable and independent sources that proves your notability? It might have been a problem on my end, but I do not see any. If you truly are notable, I would be happy to write an article on you. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Here is my CV. I have received 3 Fulbrights, NEH Grant, 2 Japan Foundation Grants, SSRC, etc. Wwfarris 33 (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

☁How do I attach my CV? I see no need to repeat all that information.

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Don't bother. We don't accept curricula vitae as a source (connexion to subject, too sparse). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Look out it's Jimothy!} 16:18, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

To add on to what Jeske said, a Wikipedia article is a summary of what reliable and independent sources have to say about you. We don't care what positions you held, grants you recived, or books you wrote unless a reliable and independent source covered it. What I asked before was for you to list some of the sources about you that are independent of you. You said earlier that others have reviewed you book. That might be a good place to start. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

To whom it may concern:

You exhaust me! I am notable in several respects:

For starters, check the review of Japan's Medieval Population in CHOICE, which made JMP an Outstanding Academic Book. All reviews of JMP were outstanding including the Journal of Japanese Studies, the Harvard Journal of Asian Studies.

I no longer have all the book reviews for my seven books.

William Wayne Farris, Sen Distinguished Chair, Emeritus, University of Hawaii at Manoa Wwfarris 33 (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Nobody is "entitled" to a Wikipedia article about themself, alhough some people may meet the relevant required criteria, which in your case would be those at Wikipedia:Notability#Academic: all material in it would also have to comply with WP:BLP. Note that "you having" a Wikipedia article is a misconception; it would be Wikipedia having an article about you.

Note also that you yourself could have no control in what such an article might contain, provided that all the contents are properly cited to published Reliable sources, even if those sources are actually incorrect, and neither you nor anyone connected to you would be allowed to edit the article directly (except by removing demonstrable errors and falsehoods, which would be checked by disinterested editors and reversed if they disagreed).

There can be downsides to there being a Wikipedia article about you. I suggest you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-43920-01 (talk) 11:03, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Please no. To say that somebody has an article on Wikipedia is idiomatic, and the meaning it most obviously expresses is in line with that by which Wikipedia has an article on that person. (Yes, yes, one possible meaning is that the person has authority over the content of an article that Wikipedia has about them; but I doubt that this interpretation, which of course is contradicted by Wikipedia policy, is a common one.) -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 11:24, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I think it's fairly common, and that quite a lot of people who come here to "get" an article think that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:42, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

GGS is right here. We get plenty of requests at help fora attempting to take control of an article about them, generally due to the person in question assuming Wikipedia is closer to Facebook or Xitter. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Look out it's Jimothy!} 16:10, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

And I added that advice because it seemed to me that this is what was likely happening, or had the potential to be an issue, in the case of this OP. I am well able to distinguish between signs of the misconception and mere colloquial uses of the term, and in the case of the latter would not bother raising the issue, not being a pedant. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-43920-01 (talk) 17:06, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

You are insulting me when I was making an enquiry and trying to work with you.

Wayne Wwfarris 33 (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I recommend you calm down and spend some time actually reading what everyone in this thread is trying to tell you. Aggressively demanding we legitimise the actions of a blackguard who was only looking to rip you off isn't a winning argument, and we generally take a very dim view of people who do not seem to be paying attention. Mikeycdiamond gave you instructions on how to move forward. Read them, and then think about what may be available other than an unusable-as-a-source CV. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Look out it's Jimothy!} 17:19, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

How do I attach my CV?

Wayne Farris

I was told that mickey diamond would write an entry for me. Please help me! Wwfarris 33 (talk) 16:09, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I really think WP:NOTCV would be useful for you to read. Wikipedia is not a platform for publicising yourself. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:16, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

This user has apparently been scammed by an UPE, and was already informed that unfortunately we cannot help them and will not restore the deleted page. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 16:26, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Wwfarris 33: As you have been told in the previous thread, people who solicit money from you in exchange for writing an article typically turn out to be scams. You have been told that Wikipedia articles are only written on subjects that have demonstrated wikinotability. No CV can help you here, as your own is a non-independent source.

If by some chance reliable, independent sources write about you in significant detail, an article might be considered. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:08, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I'm exhausted by your emails.

I will accept what little Wikipedia has on me and ask you to leave me alone.

Wikipedia is a fraud! You don't promote the pursuit of knowledge, but stifle it!

William Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 17:13, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

You can disable email notifications in your account settings. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 17:15, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

We have a lot of academics here that are editors. We strongly discourage writing about yourself but you can write about topics that you are interested in and topics that you have studied. You will need to cite WP:Reliable sources for any statements that might get challenged. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:20, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

With all due respect, I don't see how an article about you would pursue any knowledge. Wikipedia has standards in what subjects to cover, as if there weren't, this site would be drowned in slop.

If you're having trouble finding where to disable notifications, simply go to Preferences → Notifications and uncheck all the checkboxes under Email, specifically on the one that intersects with Talk page subscription. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:23, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

To whom it mat concern:

I am a distinguished scholar and find you all sad and embarrassing.

Wayne

Pls do not contact me again. Wwfarris 33 (talk) 17:46, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Threats to "leave and never come back" inevitably invite the response: don't let the door hit you on the way out.

- Wikipedia:Don't be high-maintenance 海盐沙冰 _{/ aka irisChronomia / Talk / Uploads} 18:02, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

"I was told that mickey diamond would write an entry for me"—You were not; you were told (empahsis added) "If you truly are notable, I would be happy to write an article on you". That notability—in the Wikipedia sense—must first be demonstrated, by the existence of reliable and independent sources about you which have been requested and which you have not provided. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 18:35, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Please stop trying to use Wikipedia to promote yourself.🔥Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉contrib(s)✨log🌟mail🎉global🎊 16:41, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Apology

Previous discussion: WP:TEA#My deleted Wikipedia page

To all editors with whom I corresponded:

I offer an apology for my intemperate words. Wikipedia is a handy site and it is a source of some pain to me that I flew off the handle. Please let me know that you accept my apology.

Best wishes,

William Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 19:18, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can accept an apology on behalf of Wikipedia, but I accept it for myself. Your feelings were completely understandable. I can say we are sorry that you appear to have been scammed. 331dot (talk) 20:02, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Dear sir:

Thank you. I did not wish to anger or antagonize anyone at Wikipedia.

With best regards,

William Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

My offer still stands. If you can find the sources to prove that you meet Wikipedia:Notability (academics), I will write an article about you. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 20:46, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Dear sir:

Thank you for your kind offer. Can you give me an idea what would constitute appropriate sources?

I still have the blurb written by the scammers. Would their sources be OK?

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I mean, I could take a look at their sources. You can list them here or paste what they gave you into User:Wwfarris 33/sandbox. A sandbox is your own personal page that you can experiment with without effecting an article in the mainspace. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 21:23, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Dear sir:

I cut and pasted the entire scammed article to my sandbox. It has many precise references.

Please advise

Sincerely,

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

It looks as though you forgot to "Publish" the sandbox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 21:32, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello:

I realized my mistake and have published in the sandbox.

It lacks paragraphing and indentations, but you will get the general idea. It has many specific references. Thank you for your kindness, no matter how this turns out.

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 21:37, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Wwfarris 33, how did you send money to the scammers? Bennett Li11 (talk) 01:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

It was some kind of transfer to the bank account of one Henry Williams. I don't remember exactly.

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Formatting fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 07:41, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Unfortunately I do not believe these sources are sufficient to prove your notability according to Wikipedia standards. We need significant coverage that talks about you as an academic and the influence you've had on your field, not just listings of your works - those may be used as supporting references, but only in addition to others that show notability. Have you read the page at Wikipedia:Notability (academics) other people have mentioned? This could help you understand the types of sources that might justify an article on you. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 09:47, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Payment for Wikipedia entry to Henry Williams

•  Courtesy link: WP:TEA § My deleted Wikipedia page

I checked my emails, and the payment was made using the Stripe payment link as a wire transfer by credit card.

Wayne Farris Wwfarris 33 (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) Hi Wwfarris 33. You might want to continue discussing this via email per WP:REPORTPAID before you post anymore names or other information about real world individuals you dealt with regarding this matter here at the Teahouse. There's not really anything here at the Teahouse can do to help you get your money back if that's what you're hoping. The best that can happen, to the best of my knowledge, is that an administrator could block someone's Wikipedia account if they find they're involved in undisclosed paid editing, which is a violation of the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use. The account might also be added to some internal lists of known Wikipedia scammers. None of those things, though, are likely going to result in you getting your money back. Whatever contractural agreement you entered into with this other person is really just between you and they; morover, any redress you seek will probably need to be done via whatever laws are in effect where you live. We can't really give legal advice on Wikipedia, other than perhaps to say you probably should contact a lawyer (ideally one specializing in this type of thing) and see what they have to say about this and ask them to explain whether there's anything you can do to get your money back. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Best thing to do is contact your credit card company. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 13:26, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for deletion?

I want to have a discussion about this disambiguation page that is already covered more broadly somewhere else, but I don't know where to do that, and I'm unsure if Articles of Deletion would be the right place. OliviaRigby (talk) OliviaRigby (talk) 03:36, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Where is the "somewhere else"? SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 04:43, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi OliviaRigby. You can, in principle, discuss any Wikipedia page by posting a message on its corresponding talk page; so, if you've got concerns or suggestions regarding the "Catherine of Brunswick-Wolfenbütte" page, you can open a discussion at Talk:Catherine of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel. Since there's probably not many Wikipedians watching that particular page, you might also want to notify relevant WikiProjects or others major contributors to the page by posting a Template:Please see on their project/user talk pages. If you've got general questions about disambiguation, the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation can probably help. I believe (if I'm wrong someone will correct me) disambiguation pages can be discussed at WP:AFD since they're in the WP:MAINSPACE, but AFD isn't really a place to discuss cleanup. So, you might want to try some of the other things mentioned above before going to AFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:46, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I've done one AfD before. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 10:19, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! OliviaRigby (talk) 17:49, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Opium in Iran comment issue

Hello, I was wondering if the comment from four months ago is a valid comment for a talk page. Talk:Opium in Iran. I don't believe it follows what a talk page is for. In my opinion, if there is sufficient evidence for the claims in the comment, it can become a new section examining the different point of view. The comment, however, is written by someone who is apparently unaware of how a Wikipedia article is written so I am compelled to doubt the claims made in the comment. What is the appropriate response here?  Aperture LENS (talk) 07:08, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Aperture LENS I suggest you just ignore it, based on WP:NOTFORUM. There would be more concern if the TA had made inappropriate changes to the actual article but they didn't. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Aperture LENS: The TA violated WP:NOTFORUM for ranting about the comparison between illicit substances and alcohol, WP:HOAX for using some Hollywood thriller as some sort of evidence of historical safety standards, and WP:SOAP for making a bizarre opinion about opium restriction's effects to Iran.

@Michael D. Turnbull: This is already kind of concerning in my opinion. Someone might remove this comment when they see something like that. Since the TA already expired, it seems like we can do nothing about it. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 11:02, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull@SlapstickHumor360! Thank you both! Much appreciated. Aperture LENS (talk) 16:54, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

You're welcome. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 23:40, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

My NGC 4562 page got cancelled

for a while i wondered why NGC 4562 and IC 3571 did not have any english pages, so i made one for NGC 4562, the reason it got declined is that i need a lot of information and confirmation, the problem with that is that NGC 4562 really did not have any useful info and i did my best to not include any info that might be fake.

thank you for reading this, i hope you have a great day. AyanPluh (talk) 07:54, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @AyanPluh. Yes, that's exactly how Wikipedia works: we only allow topics to have an article if they are notable as we define that word, based on really good sources. That said, there are some sources at NGC 4565 which may be relevant to your draft, if you want to try to expand it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

okay but the problem is that NGC 4562 is very overshadowed by NGC 4565 in terms of information about it, if you want can you try to find sources and info that might be helpful for expanding the draft? i only got 8 days left of my free time so yeah... AyanPluh (talk) 11:46, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Being a sometime astronomer, I have had a quick skim of the interwebs, and it looks to me as if there is simply too little published about NGC 4562 to make anything more than a brief stub article about it.

Wikipedia is not a catalogue, and we do not need to have a separate article about every NGC entity. I think the best course for the moment is to include what facts there are within the article of its more prominent neighbor NGC 4565, where it is already mentioned: I suggest expanding the section Galaxy Groups, and adding what facts are available about both NGC 4562 and IC 3571 and perhaps also the others mentioned in that section.

Remember, there is no deadline as far as Wikipedia is concerned. You can do what you can now and come back to do more later; in the meantime others may also pitch in, and – who knows – perhaps in future more studies will be done and published about NGC 4562. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-43920-01 (talk) 08:34, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Can't install Twinkle

Im using my phone with Google Chrome, but it difficult to install for me do I need to copy the code or how? Itsjuenyin (talk) 12:51, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Turn it on in your preferences. Cabayi (talk) 14:11, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

it worked thanks! Itsjuenyin (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Are external links allowed or not?

I have drafted articles that were rejected with links to external sites flagged for removal -- only wikilinks allowed in the text. I am now looking into editing this article Temporal interference brain stimulation, in which there are external links within the text -- how was this acceptable for publication? Should I change the external links as I edit? Thanks for clarifying! GoneDutch (talk) 13:36, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I removed the external links in the text per Wikipedia:ELBODY. Thanks for pointing them out! Not all articles have gone through AFC review and policy violations can be introduced over time. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

adding references to template content

It is not clear to me how to add full bibliographical info for a publication when the article has all such info together at the end, rather than giving the full info in the note that follows a particular statement. I just get "template content" for that long list and after I click "edit" I am unable to arrive at a place where the new info could be added. I would be grateful if anyone could help me sort out my confusion, thank you in advance for that Buddhist Peter (talk) 15:04, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

@Buddhist Peter: Please link pages you want help with. I guess it's Mahākāśyapa#References. You use VisualEditor which has its own way of doing things and they don't work well with all types of code but here is a tip for that specific section:

1. After starting an edit, switch to the source editor on a pencil icon at the top right.
2. Remove {{refbegin |30em}} at the start of the references section (it gets in the way of VisualEditor).
3. Switch back to VisualEditor on the pencil icon.
4. Edit the citations as usual in VisualEditor.
5. Switch to the source editor again.
6. Restore {{refbegin |30em}}
7. Publish.

You can also just edit the citations in the source editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:37, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, that was very helpful. I still have not fully resolved the issue, unfortunately, which must be due to my ignorance. When I followed your steps 1 to 7 the reference appeared in Mahākāśyapa#References but in the source editor it looked different from all the others. So I redid it by copypasting the formatting of other entries and adjusting accordingly. That looks ok now. Still, the problem remains that what is now note 62 has he author's name without linking it to the list of references, as is the style of all other notes. I have not been able to solve this additional step. Any advice would be much appreciated. Buddhist Peter (talk) 12:12, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Where are you clicking to try to edit the article? This article has a mix of reference formats, which can be confusing - some of them are included in the body and automatically generated in the Citations section, but there's also a References section after it with additional sources that are linked to sections of content via {{sfn}} templates (plus a Notes section before both of those). We usually discourage mixing reference types like this because it's messy and difficult to work with, as you've found. I would recommend just adding your sources inline as usual so they're automatically generated as numbered citations instead of dealing with sfn formatting, which is complicated in the first place and even more so in the visual editor. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 10:32, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

(The citations section is also duplicating the entire References section via reflist, to make matters more confusing.) ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 10:45, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I just wanted to mention that I am only able to work during a short window daily at around this time. This is why I was able to thank PrimeHunter but not able to implement the suggestions right away, which I did now. But anyway thank you for the encouragement, and I think you are right the article is a bit of a mess. I just wanted to make sure that the one reference I added does not increase that :) Buddhist Peter (talk) 12:14, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I probably should have checked the page history. Your revision here is actually what I was referring to and looks fine to me, given the already mixed references on the page. It appears in the automated Citations section. The way you've done it now doesn't link to the full citation in References without forming it as a {{sfn}}.

I'm going to WP:BOLDly rename the Citations and References sections, because I think they're causing additional confusion. Citations contains a list of references while References lists expanded {{citations}}. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 12:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Original research or not

adding my comment on WT:WikiProject Military history to here

Extended content

While editing the article Otvet, I came across this source. (archive link, easier for me to view). Aside from the fact that y'all hate TASS, don't worry I have used due weight and not put is up as fact blah blah blah. However, back to my point. It states, in English (Google Translate, I can read Russian though)
July 23, 22:07 Corvette *Gremyashchiy* destroys simulated enemy submarine with missile during Navy drills Ships and vessels of the Northeast Russia forces secured the firing range area MOSCOW, July 24. /TASS/. The crew of the Pacific Fleet corvette *Gremyashchiy* destroyed a simulated enemy submarine using an anti-submarine missile during the Navy’s "July Storm" operational exercises. This was announced by the fleet's press service.

"During the Navy's 'July Storm' operational exercise, the Pacific Fleet corvette *Gremyashchiy* launched a missile from its anti-submarine system at an underwater training target in the Pacific Ocean. As part of drills to counter simulated enemy submarines, the crew practiced searching for and tracking the submarine. At the designated time, the anti-submarine missile's warhead successfully struck the training target," the press service stated.

They added that ships and vessels of the forces stationed in Russia's Northeast secured the area where the live-fire exercise took place.

The fleet explained that the shipborne anti-submarine missile system is designed to engage submarines. Universal launchers are used to fire the anti-submarine missiles; these launchers also accommodate the use of *Oniks* and *Kalibr* cruise missiles. From July 23 to 27, the "July Storm" operational naval exercise is taking place under the overall command of Navy Commander-in-Chief Admiral Alexander Moiseyev. The drills are being conducted in the waters of the Pacific and Arctic Oceans, as well as the Baltic and Caspian Seas, involving forces from the Northern, Pacific, and Baltic Fleets and the Caspian Flotilla.

The exercise involves more than 150 warships and support vessels, 120 aircraft, 10 coastal missile systems, 950 units of military and specialized hardware, and over 15,000 military personnel.
the source establishes the missile having been launched from universal launchers, and establishes the launchers as being the ones used for Oniks and Kalibr -- 3S-14. So, that clearly means that the missile was Otvet as it is, until further notice, the only anti-submarine missile launched from 3S-14 launchers, yet it is still original research as the missile type was not explicitly stated. I am trying to push the article to GA, so I'm trying to fix every possible little gripe or nitpick, including small ones like this (would love advice on other issues you see). How to go about this? EDIT: I will also post this to WP:TEA

Thanks -- NotRealShady7 7 7 (customer service) 19:03, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

WP:FORUMSHOPPING in multiple places until you get the result you want isn't going to work. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 00:21, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

They crossposted here at the same time as the initial post, before any replies - it just reads as seeking additional input from a wider community, IMHO. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 10:50, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Yes -- that's still forum shopping. This is not the first time they've raised this issue -- it's been repeatedly explained to them why they cannot use unreliable and deprecated sources to push Russian state-media claims as a form of POV. And per their own admission, simply don't want to edit within policy. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 15:29, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Proper name for concert list article

A little over a year ago, a user created the page AJR Festival shows (2023), and it has subsequently been moved to AJR festival shows, List of AJR festival shows, and currently List of 2023 AJR festival shows. I learned of its existence a few days ago and began revising it, but noticed that the list has never been exclusively festivals and instead the whole year's concerts. In such, I am curious what would be a proper name for the article. It is currently in Category:Lists of concerts and performances of American artists, which primarily contains list pages that span an artist's entire career rather than one year. The only exceptions are the List of shows played by Fugazi (1987–1988) and the List of Santana live performances (1960s–1970s) and (1980s). I feel that List of AJR live performances (2023) would be a good destination, but I first wanted a second opinion to see if this was correct. Popturtle (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi Popturtle. Probably the best place for you to discuss this would be at Talk:List of 2023 AJR festival shows; you can let others and WikiProjects know about the discussion per WP:APPNOTE. Given that the article has been moved several times already, a WP:BOLD page move yet again might not be the best course of action per WP:BOLDMOVE. Try seeing whether your concerns can be addressed through regular article talk page discussion first; if not, you may need to start a formal WP:RM request to establish a consensus either way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:22, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

P versus NP

where to post questions about? ~2026-49370-53 (talk) 23:12, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi ~2026-49370-53. If you're question has to do with something related to (English) Wikipedia, then you can post it here. If you're asking about something not related to Wikipedia, though, you could try Wikipedia:Reference desk or an Internet search because the Teahouse is really only just intended for questions related to Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:15, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

If you have question about how to improve the article P versus NP problem, you can use its talk page. However, Wikipedia would not be the place if you wanted to discuss the topic in general, as I see you have done with the talk page (edits which are subsequented deleted). LkL-70547 (talk) 23:31, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

Using already uploaded images in other articles

I added a song's main infobox art to the article of its B-side, but it was removed a few hours later, the explanation being the article didn't have non free use rationale for that image. Any idea how I could make that work? Dylanfan62 (talk) 01:13, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

What is the filename of the image, Dylanfan62, and what's the title of the article to which you want to add it? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 03:34, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi Dylanfan62. Since you didn't specifically mention either the song or the file you're asking about, my response is going to be fairly general. Unless the cover art in question is specifically for the B-side itself, you probably shouldn't add it to the B-side's infobox for the reasons given here. If the bot that removed the file just did so because it didn't have a separate, specific non-free use rationale for that use as required by non-free content use criterion #10c, then providing the missing rationale should stop the bot from removing the file again. However, a rationale is only valid when it satisfies all ten non-free content use criteria, and providing the rationale is WP:JUSTONE (actually more like just part of one) of those criteria. Sometimes the cover art of a single specifically is for both sides and in such cases you might be able to make an argument in favor of an anditional non-free use of the file, but the cover art for the A-side of a single shouldn't really just being used in an article about its correponding B-side just because there's no cover art specific to the B-side itself.

Finally, a B-side of a single would still need to meet WP:NSONG in and of its own accord for a stand-alone article to be written about it; a B-side isn't automatically Wikipedia notable just because the A-side is Wikipedia notable. I imagine that in the case of many B-sides, simply mentioning it in the article about the Wikipedia notable A-side is going to be more appropriate than creating a stand-alone article about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:01, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, the name of the song is Forty Shades of Green by Johnny Cash. Its flipside is The Rebel – Johnny Yuma which I'm trying to add the picture to if you have any further tips. Dylanfan62 (talk) 11:15, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Unnecessary revert

Hello guys. I recently stubled upon an article about Grok AI. In that article it says grok-4.7 (a new model) was released (stable release) on 12th of September. This is straight up false. Elon Musk gave an estimate, not an actual release date. And according to his new tweet, that release is once again postponed. So I removed that. A user named @Ow0cast reverted my edit and brought back the false release date. I reverted that back. What should I do now? Thanks :) ~2026-49471-48 (talk) 03:43, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

add it back, didnt realize it was postponed. sorry <3 /usr/bin/owuh $ (💬 | she/they) 03:46, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

This is a lesson in why descriptive edit summaries are important. Your initial edit didn't explain the basis for your change. Additionally, please avoid personal attacks as in your following reversion. Simply adding a source to confirm the information is sufficient. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 11:00, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Taxonomy system priority

Which taxonomic library system takes the highest priority? I'm working on expanding the article for the Schistocerca lineata (I know, not an important article, but I'm having fun with it), and have recently acquired the leading book with information on the species, which can be found under the pages "further reading" section. On the Wikipedia page, S. lineata is stated to be a species from the genus Schistocerca. However, according to this book, S. lineata is actually considered a subspecies of the species Schistocerca alutacea, which is in turn a species from the genus Schistocerca. But, no taxonomical library online shares this view. Should I change the article to reflect the book, or should I keep it as is agreed upon by most taxonomical libraries?

Schistocerca lineata LabraxPetasius (talk) 04:17, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

LabraxPetasius, I suggest that you post this question to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 04:42, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Okie LabraxPetasius (talk) 04:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I have no knowledge on the specific situation, but generally speaking books take a long time to publish and may be out of date or rely on a non-standard opinion of a single author, whereas online taxonomical databases reflect a consensus among experts and may be updated as soon as there is agreement to do so based on available evidence (which may include recent generic sequencing). If multiple online libraries all concur on its status as a species that is most likely the appropriate one to reflect in our article. Other information from the book may still be used though. Taxonomical status is more prone to changes and subjective opinions than things such as description and habitat. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 11:09, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

LabraxPetasius, there are only two sentences of prose in the current version of the article. Since you have an entire book on the species, you can certainly add prose referenced to the book providing more encyclopedic content describing the species. As for the taxonomy, I think it is best to leave the database consensus in the infobox. But you can note in the text in the body of the article that a certain named author disagrees. The relevant policy is the neutral point of view. Cullen328 (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Extreme anti-Semitism on Wikipedia

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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How come Jews get banned and their comments on article talk pages get removed as "vandalism" or "not constructive" for criticizing the extreme anti-Semitic bias of certain articles and asking that those articles be improved in accordance with WP:NPOV? Is it not allowed anymore to ask that an article adhere to NPOV and for it to not have an anti-Semitic bias? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-49535-42 (talk) 04:33, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Surname for a Wikipedia article

Hello, I'm a new editor and I'm learning how to properly cite reliable sources and maintain a neutral point of view. I am also interested in eventually creating a surname article. What are the best practices for determining whether a surname is notable enough for a Wikipedia article? Tonyphoenic (talk) 04:56, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Pretty much as the best practices are for determining whether anything else is notable enough for an article, Tonyphoenic. I strongly suggest that you get more practice in improving existing articles before you create a draft for a new article. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 07:03, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

You should use the "suggested edits" feature to gain more practice and experience in going on the adventure of editing here on Wikipedia. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 07:31, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

WP:GNG can help you understand the principles of notability. However, as mentioned, it is strongly recommended that you make plenty of smaller edits to gain experience before attempting to create a new article, which is very challenging. ChompyTheGogoat [ Bleat | Munched ] 11:11, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Why are these arrows everywhere?

images of articles with these arrows: https://ibb.co/nqxwGRSt ("Later success" and "Evolution" sections)

https://ibb.co/DgPQhxxJ ("The Laud Troy Book")

https://ibb.co/TM1BMkgg (marked with blue lines and that tone suggestion)

There are many more articles with these arrows just randomly coming up. I understand the Troilus one, but what about the others? Can this be considered minor vandalism? What is the purpose of all these arrows? Please help! Forgive me if I'm being dumb, I'm new here.

Thanks!

Lxnnio (talk) 05:08, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

That is the character for a hard return. You won't see it once you save the edit (it will just make a new line). In solidarity, asilvering (talk) 05:58, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

This is not the first report of this issue. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 14:14, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Need advice with disambiguation heading.

KuGompo redirects to the article for East London, South Africa. The city's name was official changed to KuGompo in February this year and from what I can gather it still isn't used that much. There is already a suburb in the city called Gompo, and I want to do the disambiguation header on each page but I'm not sure what the standard wording for such a case is. East London is still the common name, so I'm not even sure if a header is needed for either(yet). Appreciate any thoughts. Cheers! WillTheWonderfulWordWatcher (talk) 06:27, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I don't know what you're referring to here by "each page" or "either", WillTheWonderfulWordWatcher, but are Template:About/doc and Template:For/doc helpful? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 06:50, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you, that's exactly what I'm looking for! Cheers! WillTheWonderfulWordWatcher (talk) 08:23, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I just filed a move request to KuGompo. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 07:38, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I don't think that is appropriate as from what I can gather, the city's new name isn't its common name at this point in time. But that's a discussion for talk page and/or RfC. WillTheWonderfulWordWatcher (talk) 08:29, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

It's the new name, isn't it? SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 08:38, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy is to use the most commonly recognisable name, so I don't think KuGompo is applicable at this point in time. Per WP:COMMONNAME. WillTheWonderfulWordWatcher (talk) 08:47, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

You have a point. I didn't know that the city changed its name at all. SH360! (Must edit! Must report!) 09:38, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

1000+ edits for rollback perms?

I need to get 1000+ edits to get rollback permission? (Just I need to confirm a bit) Itsjuenyin (talk) 09:21, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

There is no strict numerical requirement to get rollback, it is granted upon request to users demonstrating a history of countervandalism and a general understanding of relevant policies and guidelines. CMD (talk) 09:31, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

okay I know, but they asked me for that on my talk page Itsjuenyin (talk) 09:33, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

The statement on your talkpage is that 1000 edits is required for Interceptor. I am unsure if that is correct, but the general advice to start with WP:TWINKLE is probably good. CMD (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

if not sure, I will try to get 1000+ edits and see if I got the rollback perms. Thanks Itsjuenyin (talk) 09:56, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi Itsjuenyin. I looked at your user talk page, and it looks like another user is telling you that a thousand edits are required to use a particular type of WP:TOOL call WP:Interceptor, not to obtain WP:ROLLBACK rights. Generally, user rights like "rollback" are granted by administrators to those who have demonstrated sufficient knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines as well as sufficient compentacy when it comes to making edits; in other words, the administrator feels the person requesting the user right is experienced enough to use it correctly and won't go bonkers with it creating all kinds of problems that others are going to have to sort out. FWIW, you don't need any special user rights to make productive edits; so, maybe just focus on doing that for the time being. Many people (not all but many) who focus too much on certain getting certain user rights often mistakenly think having more of them somehow makes one a better editor in the eyes of others when it's really the quality of their edits (not how fast they can make them) that matters the most. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:00, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

@Itsjuenyin: on the whole, trying to reach some arbitrary edit count figure is not a good idea, because you'd be focusing on the wrong thing. Besides, if it then turns out that you reached that count by gaming the system, you're unlikely to obtain whatever right you were going for anyway. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:03, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

i see... Thank for that information. @Marchjuly and @DoubleGrazing Itsjuenyin (talk) 10:09, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis@DoubleGrazing@Itsjuenyin@Marchjuly Sorry for the confusion, I was mentioning CVPI requirments in passing to tell @Itsjuenyinthat they should use twinkle as it will be some time before they can use CVPI. To be honest I can't see where I saw this now.

I would second the comment about not WP:Gaming the system.

Cheers. Equivalent-Text2598 (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

i will not probably to try gaming the system Itsjuenyin (talk) 10:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Yep, I can't remember where I saw this now... Equivalent-Text2598 (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Need guidance on replacing references during an active AfD

Hello! The draft/article Nirmalagiri College, Kuthuparamba is currently in an Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussion due to poor/unreliable original references.

I have cleaned up the page and replaced the old links with reliable, third-party sources (including government NIRF ranking data and news coverage). However, I am facing a disagreement with the nominator regarding sourcing standards and conflict of interest accusations.

Could an experienced editor please take a quick look at the updated sources on Nirmalagiri College, Kuthuparamba and advise me on whether the independent references now meet WP:RS and WP:NCOLLEGE standards? Thank you! Fab Feb (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

NIRF ranking data is just routine coverage (See WP:ROUTINE for more info), and while I agree that you have added independent sources, they are focused on the alumni, not about the college itself. I have found some coverage about this college but that it just a biodiversity event that took place in the college, so the Article for deletion is justified and next time, you must write it on your own as GPTZero shows that the entire text is LLM generated, just like the article. BengalMC ^talk 12:32, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (film)

I just wanted to make a small edit to a sentence. The part where Dumbledore gets accused and incriminated, I thought a better sentence would be this.

"Dumbledore takes the blame to protect Harry and escapes when Fudge orders his arrest." Is someone going to delete it if I try?

Also, I noticed another user was trying to add the part about the Weasley twins dropping out and causing chaos to Umbridge. Someone keeps deleting that. I see no harm in including that. Is it really such a bad idea? Beetle Prince (talk) 14:53, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Beetle Prince, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Generally, there is no point in asking for people's opinion about the content of a particular article on a general page like this. The place where people with knowledge and interest in an article are likely to be is on the article's Talk page.

If you think you can make an improvement to an article, you are encouraged to be BOLD and make it: unless it's obviously vandalism, the worst that can happen is that somebody reverts your edit. If that happens, and you want to pursue it, the next step is to start a discussion on the talk page, pinging the other editor, and try to reach a consensus about what if any change should be made. (If you are unable to get to that point, dispute resolution tells you how to proceed).

If you think your change is likely to be controversial, then it's worth going straight to the discussion on the talk page before trying to make the edit.

In general, every piece of information in an article should be verifiable from a reliable published source. For a plot summary, the film itself is acceptable as a source, but you need to be careful not to add your own interpretation (that would be original research) and editors may disagree about how much detail should be included (which is what your second point is about. In that case, they should not be edit warring, but discussing it to reach agreement.) ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Feedback on Draft:Bobby Smith Jr. before resubmission

Hi, I’ve been working on Draft:Bobby Smith Jr. and made a number of changes based on earlier feedback. I left a note on the draft talk page about ten days ago asking if someone could take another look, but no one has responded. I’m just trying to figure out if there’s anything obvious I should fix before I submit it again. If anyone has a chance to look at it, I’d really appreciate it. BSMITHSCREENWRITER (talk) 15:12, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @BSMITHSCREENWRITER, and welcome to the Teahouse.

What you are asking for on the talk page is a pre-review. We don't do those. If you want somebody to review your revised draft, submit it for review, and in time somebody will get to it.

Have you read WP:autobiography, which explains why writing about yourself on Wikipedia is so insanely difficult and so extremely unlikely to be successful that it is unlikely to be worth your time trying it? ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox

Hello TH, I'm aware that there is an unprecedented level of liberty a user can exercise while editing a sandbox. I recently recall seeing some reprehensible antisemitic rhetoric over there while I was "recent changes" patrolling and I did not know if I could revert that edit and it bothers me now that I did not simply undo their edit and warn them. Aside from that grievance, I do wonder, technically, am I allowed to revert vile edits made to the sandbox, perhaps even on the Tea House itself? Thanks. _signed, Kvinnen (talk) 15:36, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

You are definitely allowed to revert vandalism to the Sandbox and the Teahouse. Anti-semitic rhetoric is obviously not put there in good faith, so feel free to revert it. Same goes for the Teahouse. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 16:58, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello Kvinnen. Although sandboxes are less restricted than other areas of Wikipedia. they are not areas of unfettered liberty. Sandboxes are for testing and development for the purpose of improving the encyclopedia. Overt hate speech should be reverted on sight wherever it occurs and repeat offenders should be reported to an active administrator, or to WP:ANI, the administrators noticeboard for incidents requiring prompt action. They must be blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 17:02, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

That's helpful, thanks! _signed, Kvinnen (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! _signed, Kvinnen (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Article grade reassessment

Hello, there are a few articles which I have expanded from their previous conditions with new sections and references and are thus not the same as they were when they were initially assessed and given a grade on the content assessment scale (stub, start, A, B, C, etc...). What I am asking is this: where can I request a reassessment of these articles so that they can receive a new grade? I don't want to assess them myself for fear of bias towards an article that I expanded. Thanks in advance for the help. Zach1055 (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, Zach1055. If you have significantly expanded a stub or start grade article, you should have no hesitation in upgrading it yourself. I do so quite often myself. The only grades that have stringent criteria are Good articles and Featured articles. The intermediate grades are of little significance and very few editors (or readers) care much about them. Cullen328 (talk) 16:53, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the advice. Zach1055 (talk) 16:55, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Regarding the creation of pages for Pokémon species

Hello. I would like to ask what decides what Pokémon species get pages and which ones stay redirects? Especially because there are plenty of popular Pokémon that have loads of good information floating around the web and, well, good reliable sources, too, but seriously, if Victini can get a page, why can't Darkrai get one, too? Or, y'know, any other well-known and well-appreciated Pokémon that doesn't particularly have to be Mythical, like, say, Sylveon.

Thanks,
☯︎Lucy LostWord, the official creator of Wonderful Video Game and Makyuu Project (Touhou Project and Pokémon fan. Let's talk.) 16:16, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello Lucy LostWord. Wikipedia editors can ignore loads of good information floating around the web and focus instead on good reliable sources. All topics eligible for a Wikipedia article must be notable as Wikipedia defines that concept. They must be the subject of significant, in-depth coverage in published reliable sources that are entirely independent of the Pokémon franchise. In the early years of Wikipedia, there was a flood of poorly referenced Pokémon content that caused criticism and ridicule of Wikipedia. That led to a widespread cleanup and consolidation of many individual Pokémon articles into list articles. So, new content needs to comply with all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and if any such content is challenged, the decision is made through consensus of editors interested in the matter. Worth reading is Wikipedia:Pokémon test, although you should be aware that it is out of date. Cullen328 (talk) 16:42, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I remember reading about the Pokémon test a while back but I went and gave it a good re-read. To be honest, the main reason I brought this up is because I myself wondered, "I feel like Darkrai should have an article", after all it is pretty popular and I don't see why promoting it from redirect to full article wouldn't hurt, yet I don't think we should also jump to working on even more articles for other Pokémon and keep it at a low like it is at the moment. All 1025 Pokémon don't need articles, only a good amount of the well-known ones. Compared to Victini, Darkrai is probably around its popularity level, they're both well-beloved Mythical Pokémon (they're also my two favorite Mythicals, but that's very irrelevant) and make their occasional appearances in the media, whether it's things like PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond or full-on movies dedicated to them (Pokémon the Movie: Black—Victini and Reshiram and White—Victini and Zekrom and Pokémon: The Rise of Darkrai), even so it's been years since these two were known (Darkrai making its debut in 2007, Victini in, what, 2010/2011?), and that's given them both enough time to gain popularity and media-based attention (such as Mega Darkrai in Pokémon Legends: Z-A, I admit it hasn't even been a year since, but still). Forgive me for writing a whole unnecessary comment comparing two Pokémon for seemingly no reason, but really it's kind of to prove a point. I am biased, but any other highly popular Pokémon, Mythical or not, that has lots of media coverage can get a page, but as I mentioned earlier, not all of them need pages, and if this is reply really is an eyesore, then I'll just delete it. I had no means of writing this, it's just an autistic impulse of mine.

☯︎Lucy LostWord, the official creator of Wonderful Video Game and Makyuu Project (Touhou Project and Pokémon fan. Let's talk.) 18:52, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Please make you signature shorter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 20:35, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Why are you asking me to make my signature shorter? That has nothing to do with this.

☯︎Lucy LostWord, the official creator of Wonderful Video Game and Makyuu Project (Touhou Project and Pokémon fan. Let's talk.) 20:55, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

how to link Wiktionary page to a word?

hi im very new to this. i wanted to link the word 'exoteric' on Perennial philosophy, but there only exists a wiktionary page for it not wikipedia. is it possible? StillHeart (talk) 17:13, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @StillHeart, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It is possible, though it is not clear whether or not it will be helpful to a reader.

You can use a direct interwiki link:

[[wikt:exoteric]]

which displays as wikt:exoteric.

(You could suppress the "wikt:" from the display by

[[wikt:exoteric|exoteric]]

which displays as exoteric, but without giving the reader any indication that they will be leaving Wikipedia, which may not be ideal: see WP:SURPRISE).

Another approach is not to attempt to link to the word in the text, but in the "External Links" section add the template {{Wiktionary|exoteric}}, which will display as

Look up exoteric in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

See WP:MOSSIS for more information about these suggestions. ColinFine (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

If you mark it up as a red link, that signals to other editors that there is a need to write an article on the topic.

You can also suggest it as a topic at WT:WikiProject Mysticism or WT:WikiProject Philosophy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 20:33, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Question about notability and reliable sources for a surname

Hello, I am a new editor and I am learning Wikipedia's guidelines before creating a draft article. I am researching the surname of any, I would like to understand how Wikipedia determines whether a surname is notable enough for its own article.

I have found sources including independent news reporting, official institutional records, scholarly publications, and municipal records concerning people who bear the surname. I understand that reliable, independent sources are important, and I want to make sure I follow Wikipedia's notability, sourcing, and neutral-point-of-view guidelines before proceeding.

What types of sources would be considered sufficient to establish notability for a surname article? ~2026-49536-43 (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-49536-43, and welcome to the Teahouse.

This appears to be the same as the question asked and answered a few hours ago, above, at #Surname for a Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you ~2026-49536-43 (talk) 17:50, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Asking Flickr users for consent

Good afternoon, Teahouse Nation:

I came across a person on Flickr who uploads high-quality photos of athletes. I was hoping to use some of their photos for athletes who don’t have photos on their wikiboxes (in this instance, utilizing a photo for Bryan Woo). However, their photos fall under all rights reserved.

From what I understand, without their consent, you can’t use their images. Is it valid to send the photo-taker a message asking them for permission, or is that out of the question? WooHooYeeHawYeahBaby (talk) 19:06, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Hi @WooHooYeeHawYeahBaby. You can ask, but expect the reply to be no. Many photographers wouldn't want to release their photos under a compatible license. qcne (talk) 19:08, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I've had several successes doing this. You can include a link to WP:Images from social media. or cut'n'paste the relevant section(s) from there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 19:15, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Uploading flags and symbols

Uploading new flags and symbols to Wikimedia Commons for my very long draft article

hello, i am currently working on a draft article titled List of armed factions during the Myanmar Civil War. if you are familiar with this subject/country/conflict, then you will know that i need a lot of flags, symbols, patches etc etc. it is very complicated, and while i have requested hands from the Heraldry and vexillology wikiproject(and basically every related wikiproject/taskforce) i got little to no help. im fine with making the draft article on my own(at least for a while 🥀), but what i want to ask here is how i can upload images, patches and symbols at Wikimedia Commons, so i can use them for the article? How do I avoid copyright? (for the record, other news media outlets use many symbols without any problems, and they can be found on forums) What kind of images are best?(png, svg etc) How can i offer said images the highest resolution, when most sources are blurry? the conflict is a treasure of flags, so i would like for other people to see the images, if i can know these abilities to upload. this will be one of the biggest lists in wikipedia, due to the subject, and may surpass even former civil wars in lebanon and syria.

slight note, if someone could point me out to other taskforces, wikiprojects/help centers, or at least wiki editors with similar interests to what i currently do, please tell me. for an idea of what i am doing and what wikiprojects/similar articles are currently tagged to my draft page, simply access my profile to see the link. thank you and have a blessed day. 🧶Demeseriecroitor🧶 19:48, 13 September 2026 (UTC)