Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cameron Olafson

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheInevitables (talk) 19:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Olafson

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this young curler. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. JTtheOG (talk) 22:06, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Canada. JTtheOG (talk) 22:06, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Within WikiCurling, the level of notability for curlers to have a wikipedia page I've attached along the side as shortcuts. Both Elias and Cameron meet 2 of these criteria through medalling at Canadian Juniors, participating in Grand Slam of Curling events, and at the Canadian Olympic Curling Trials as one of the top 8 teams in Canada. The reason why in Curling leads and seconds do not have many independent articles about them as much media coverage is focused on the Skip/Captain, however they would still meet this level of notability that was agreed upon. If this gets overruled and deleted, I am ok with it, however there are many less notable curlers in terms of achievements in the sport, as well as all players who play lead/second who have the same level of detail articles are written on, who still have wikipedia pages, so I think this needs to be applied equally.

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Traveltheglobe (talk) 00:58, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Has played in a Grand Slam event (the highest level of competitive curling), and will be in the Canadian Olympic Curling Trials.-- Earl Andrew - talk 05:25, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Participation-based notability criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. JTtheOG (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, is there a link to this discussion? I am not sure how else one establishes notability for athletes that would not somehow be completely ambiguous. Although I could understand that not all Olympians for example, would warrant their own Wikipedia page simply on that criteria. Thanks for sharing any info on that if you have it! Words in the Wind(talk) 19:50, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Words in the Wind: Hi there! My apologies for the delay. The very lengthy discussion, which took place in early 2022, can be found here. One of several conclusions made was that there was a consensus to add an inclusion criterion for sports biographies requiring that they have at least one reference to a source which has significant coverage of the subject.

Since then, WP:NSPORT has been updated to reflect this consensus. Prong#5 of WP:SPORTBASIC says All sports biographies... must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.

This means that sports biographies are still given more leniency than most other biographies, which require multiple pieces of SIGCOV to meet the GNG. Hopefully this makes sense; feel free to hit me up with more questions. JTtheOG (talk) 20:37, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep he plays on a notable curling team as lead and in significant roles and events to warrant his notability as a curler. However, I would add that this page depends heavily on curling based articles. I would suggest this page would benefit from various national sports coverage and links to establish notability. Words in the Wind(talk) 19:50, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 22:22, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:18, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Limited participation and no clear consensus on SNG. Final relisting to allow more editors to review and weigh in.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, EmilyR34 (talk) 04:57, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He passes WP:NCURL because he won a medal in the 2023 Canadian Junior Curling Championships. I am not sure if there is sigcov, but even without it, we have an article with almost 700 words. Kelob2678 (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kelob2678: NCURL only predicts wether Significant coverage is likely to exist for a curler. Without SIGCOV, the subject fails GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:40, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the typical argument in 2022 was that lax criteria for sportspeople led to the mass creation of stubs (WP:LUGSTUBS). That is not the case here. And the fact that this guy is important in the curling world is evidenced by NCURL. You can treat this as an IAR type argument. Kelob2678 (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would not be inclined to ignore the core Wiki tenet that is GNG, particularly for a BLP where nothing approaching SIGCOV has been found. But of course, IAR is always an option. JTtheOG (talk) 20:52, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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