User talk:Saamat7

December 2025

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your recent edits to Akdaş when you modified the page, you introduced unknown parameters. Just because you specify |some_param=some_variable does not always mean that variable will display. The |some_param= must be defined in the template. You can look at the documentation for the template you are using but it is also helpful to use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made and ensure that the values you have added are displaying correctly. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the page will look like without actually saving it. It is strongly recommended that you use this before saving. Note I have likely fixed the error by now so check the history of the page to see how it was fixed. If you have any questions, contact the help desk for assistance. Thank you. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:53, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you a lot! Actually I copied from some infoboxes to help myself coding my own. Now that I have a clean Infobox template I'll not reproduce the same mistake. Saamat7 (talk) 03:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not move a page to a title that is harder to follow, or move it unilaterally against naming conventions or consensus. This includes making page moves while a discussion remains underway. We have some guidelines to help with deciding what title is best for a subject. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Thank you. CambridgeBayWeather (#1 deranged), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 13:33, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did move this page to a title specifying Türkmenbaşy District there's actually another village in Turkmenistan called Gyzylgaýa, Saýat District. Thus, I would specify "Gyzylgaýa, Türkmenbaşy District" and "Gyzylgaýa, Saýat District." For the moment I'm focusing on correcting existing pages in a province-by-province order but if needed I could already create the said page to avoid renaming pages indefinitely. Thank you. Saamat7 (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Saamat7. Thank you for your work on Garateňir. Another editor, Mariamnei, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for your work on this article. Since you state that "It is subordinate to the town of Belek", please establish notability as per WP:NTOWN. Thanks and have a great day!

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Mariamnei (talk) 12:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mariamnei: Hi, thank you for your help. I'm not yet familiar with this flag and I'm not sure how to establish it or what its purpose is. I kind of understand there's a notability criteria for articles on Wikipedia, and some articles might be deleted if they do not meet them. But then why would my article not meet them while other articles, sometimes even shorter, meet the notability criteria?

My goal in building such articles about Turkmen localities, because I have already created some others, is to identify all lawfully recognized settlements of the country in the first place and then keep as a record where they are located in space mainly. To build my articles, I use a list of settlements from an official (altered by propaganda) census, decrees of the Turkmen parliament, and archives of Soviet military maps. I think that, regarding such a closed country as Turkmenistan, it is an important task to record at least the recognized settlements and their locations which have never been publicly communicated for years now. This is how I legitimize my work and the notability of any of my articles.

Now, as part of my demonstration, why would my article not meet the notability criteria while some like those ones, as examples, would: Chauzon, France; Timezrit, Béjaïa, Algeria; Šilavotas Eldership, Lithuania.

Thank you in advance for your reply. Saamat7 (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Garaaýman moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Garaaýman. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and it consists of machine-generated text. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Vegantics (talk) 20:40, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gökdere, Turkmenistan moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Gökdere, Turkmenistan. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Vegantics (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening, I'm not very familiar with the user talk pages of Wikipedia yet. If you can, and with all due respect, I would like someone to look at the reply I sent to Mariamnei on this very page.

Basically, I already made several articles that are very alike those you moved to draftspace and the one that the previous moderator aimed to potentially delete. I understand the need to have criteria about notability. However, the main problem about a lot of localities in Turkmenistan is there's absolutely not any sources available besides the government of TM itself. On the other hand, I can find a lot of examples of articles about localities in whatever country, like the ones I mentioned in my previous message, to show how inconsistent the notability criteria is at the moment. And finally, I would say that my situation of recording the very little yet existing knowledge about this very closed country of TM is as, or even more, legitimate than any other article about localities.

Consequently, if I ever have to complete my effort of doing so, I would have to make a high number of articles like those ones. Yet, at the moment I'm not certain that any of my articles would be approved because of this behavior.

Thank you in advance for your reply. Saamat7 (talk) 02:03, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Saamat7, the issue that you're describing falls into the argument of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The articles that you're pointing to as examples also probably shouldn't exist, but they've essentially flown under the radar from other Wikipedia editors. If an article does not meet notability standards per WP:NPLACE, it shouldn't exist. Vegantics (talk) 21:23, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPLACE does state, "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable." My work is based on an official census (2022) listing every single settlement legally recognized (which I put on each page as a reference). In some cases, I might even be able to double-check with parliament decrees and Soviet-era maps. From this observation, I consider all of my obligations to be met. Saamat7 (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are certainly entitled to do so, although I will highlight the portion of WP:NPLACE that specifies, "In the United States, Census Designated Places... are not inherently notable simply because of the census designation." While obviously not in the United States, relying on census designation does not appear to be sufficient criteria. If you continue to make such articles, you will likely run into editors who disagree with your approach. Vegantics (talk) 22:43, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hence, Turkmenistan is absolutely not related to the census method used in the United States of America. Censuses in TM only list lawfully recognized places, and their role is not only statistical. Each time a place is removed from this list, it is communicated by the parliament of Turkmenistan on their website.

In short, each village is incorporated in a council or subordinate to a town or city, meaning they all have their own representation. Each village, town, or city has a short name and a formal name to differentiate them from each other within the administration, which highlights their recognition by higher instances as political actors and populated places.

For example, the three villages related to their respective articles pinned as currently "not notable" would be formally named as follows in official decrees: "Garaaýman village of Türkmenbaşy District of Balkan Province;" "Gökdere village of Türkmenbaşy District of Balkan Province;" "Garateňir village of Türkmenbaşy District of Balkan Province."

I think this is evidence of their lawful recognition as an existing entity. Would this demonstration be enough to prevent anyone from deleting my articles, and should I create my user page and detail it there to avoid any confusion? Saamat7 (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Saamat7, If you're worried about challenges to notability when creating an article, you should post on the talk page for that article outlining your argument for notability with references that show that the Turkmenistan census only uses legally recognized places. I would also highly recommend including additional sources, such as the parliament decrees and Soviet-era maps that you mentioned, to support notability within the article itself. Vegantics (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Burgun

The article Burgun has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:NSETTLEMENT, requires additional sources.

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Is it for real? Like, for each article I provide the official list of lawfully recognized settlements of Turkmenistan. "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable," this is what WP:NSETTLEMENT states. What do I need to stop anyone of deleting or unpublishing any article I work on?

If needed, I can provide an additional source, but I doubt that an OpenStreetMap wiki page, which is also a collaborative website, would be considered a better source as an official government document.

Also, right now, at this very moment, I'm working to make five articles, one for each province of Turkmenistan, listing all of legally recognized municipalities of TM.

Would this settle everyone and stop from harming my work, please? Waiting for an answer, thanks. Saamat7 (talk) 03:48, 5 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Saamat7. Thank you for your work on Galkynyş. Another editor, Ingratis, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for this article. As far as I'm concerned it meets the criteria of WP:GEOLAND, although if you can add more refs that would not do any harm.

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Ingratis (talk) 11:38, 5 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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