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A1: The current title reflects the consensus established in the most recent move discussion (22 January 2024). Two previous widely attended move discussions (30 June 2020 and 1 April 2021) had resulted in this page being titled Uyghur genocide. Please see Logs and discussions below for the full list of move discussions. In these discussions, editors discussed reporting from reliable sources in light of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CRITERIA, the first two times establishing an affirmative consensus that the title "Uyghur genocide" is an appropriate name for the article. The third debate, immediately following a 12 January 2024 discussion that was closed as "not moved", citing WP:NCENPOV as the naming convention guideline justifying a shift to the new name.
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Right now, there is a mismatch between the article's title and the article's content. The title is broad and invokes the expectation that this article will cover how Uyghurs have been persecuted in China throughout Chinese history. However, this article's actual scope is limited to 2014-present. Compare this with the many "Persection of..." articles that do in fact offer a broad historical overview of their topic, or otherwise limit their scope to a specific time period:
I think the current title strikes the right balance between too general ("Persecution of Uyghurs") and too specific (proposed title). The three are probably all workable. In the former instance, you can argue the only notable elements of the persecution of Uyghurs have to do with China or the PRC, so there is no need to specify geographically; in the latter, you've laid out your argument. The article does cover periods before the PRC, and China is the common name for the PRC, so the current title appears to be the most appropriate based on these two points. Butterdiplomat (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article does cover periods before the PRC - Only in the background section. But the main content of the article is, per the infobox and everything else in the article, 2014-present. For that reason, the title is too broad because not enough weight is given to the persecution of Uyghurs before the establishment of the PRC. For comparison, see Persecution of transgender people under the second Trump administration. A similar situation would be if that article was titled Persecution of transgender people in the United States but focused only on the 21st century. Such a title would be too broad, and so is the title of the article here. JasonMacker (talk) 02:57, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That isn't a comparable article as it is a recent development with proposals to be merged into the larger Transgender disenfranchisement in the United States, which is probably the more comparable article. By your logic too, your proposed title is also too broad because the PRC would include the history from 1949 to 2014; however, I think we could both agree that Persecution of Uyghurs under Xi Jinping would be too specific. I'm not against discussing the alternatives, but since China is already the common name for the PRC, I think the current title is appropriate. Butterdiplomat (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To put it in line with the other article, the title could be Persecution of Uyghurs under the Xi Jinping administration, which would be specific enough. The entirety of this article's body sections is during the Xi Jinping administration.
The original title was Uyghur genocide, which was a perspective advanced by Western states. This is a compromise. I think the treatment of Uyghurs and the argument about whether it is genocide should be separate. There is a parallel with Gaza genocide, which began as "Allegations of genocide." We waste a lot of time arguing which side articles should come down on rather than presenting the facts and the arguments. There are of course cases where experts agree genocide occurred, such as the Holocaust, in which case it is appropriate to use that description. TFD (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The main issue here is that the sourcing is incredibly lackluster to warrant the title "Uyghur genocide." Very basic questions, such as "when did the genocide begin?" and "what has happened each year?" are highly contentious. Notice how this page lists the Date of the persecutions as "2014–present," while List of genocides states 2016 to present. There's also a question of "what is happening right now?" that is unanswered. There are a total of X sources that are from 2025:
And that's it. That's the total sourcing in this article from 2025. What's going to happen in two months in 2026? Is this article still going to list the persecutions as "ongoing?" What would qualify as an "end" to the persecutions? Lots of questions. JasonMacker (talk) 14:29, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think TFD is not proposing that we return to the Uyghur genocide title, but just saying the current title is a compromise given that original title. In fact, I had proposed this title as the compromise. I do not feel super strongly about the proposed title(s) here, but think the current one has the benefit of being more concise while still accurate. It is unclear whether that Trump administration article will still be standalone after a few months, but there are other examples to support either end of the spectrum. Butterdiplomat (talk) 15:38, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "compromise" being... what exactly? The title "Uyghur genocide" is not supported by reliable sources. So, what is there to compromise? Regardless of whether a compromise was reached, that doesn't justify currently having a title that fails WP:PRECISION. JasonMacker (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is an argument for WP:CONCISE as well, but I am not sure the current title fails WP:PRECISION even. As far as I am aware, there is no other notable topic the current title encapsulates besides the persecution under Xi, making persecution in this specific era the primary topic for the term.
There are a wide variety of articles that cover only or mostly modern PRC but follow the “in China” formulation: fast fashion, securities industry, rare earth industry. This current title follows plenty of precedents, and there is not a strong argument to disambiguate unless notable information exists about persecution of Uyghurs in China prior to Xi (and that somehow warrants two separate articles). Butterdiplomat (talk) 23:38, 19 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's attributed opinion, so reliability is not an issue. The only reason for exclusion would therefore be weight. TFD (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article passages are:
The American far-right Heritage Foundation claimed that "children whose parents are detained in the camps are often sent to state-run orphanages and brainwashed to forget their ethnic roots. Even if their parents are not detained, Uyghur children need to move to inner China and immerse themselves into the Han culture under the Chinese government's 'Xinjiang classrooms' policy."
The Heritage Foundation reported in 2019 that officials forced Uyghur women to take unknown drugs and liquids that caused them to lose consciousness, and sometimes caused them to stop menstruating
It's not being used for opinion, it is being used for (attributed) claims. I think an attributed position might be due—something like "The Heritage Foundation has characterized the abuses as a genocide" in Persecution of Uyghurs in China#Classification of abuses#Ethnocide or cultural genocide but right now we are relying on this source for details about the abuses for which I do not think it is reliable. Attribution is not a carte blanche for inclusion on information from unreliable sources. Ascelyn (talk) 15:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is their opinion about what the facts are. If you read "The American far-right Heritage Foundation claimed that", do you think what follows is (A) a fact or (B) how a far right group concludes is a fact?
To use a more egregious example: "Flat-earthers claim the world is flat." Reasonable readers would not interpret that to mean the world is flat. TFD (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree this a due weight question not a reliability question. Is there secondary coverage showing us their position on this question is noteworthy? Doesn't seem that important to me. If we include with attribution, I think "far right" is overegging the cake; our article on them just says "right-wing" which is enough. BobFromBrockley (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ascelyn, I agree with TFD and BobFromBrockley that this is an attributed opinion, so the reliability of the source isn't an issue. Our article isn't saying this claim is correct. Regarding Bob's comment, I don't know if third party commentary or coverage demonstrates that this comment is important enough for inclusion. I don't think that bar is always needed for inclusion but it's a reasonable question to ask. -Darouet (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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