Talk:Mount Everest

Tibet, not China

Why have you replaced all references to Tibet with China? Mt Everest lies on the Tibet/ Nepal border. Not China, which invaded Tibet and is guilty of Genocide of the Tibetan Culture and People! 160.72.23.21 (talk) 14:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The UN's ICJ ruled in 1959 that Tibet was an independent nation in 1951, and ruled that it became independent again when it legally revoked the 17 Point Agreement. So, legally speaking, Nepal borders with Tibet on the north, not China.

We could correct the error but the locked page is protecting the errors.

Why is this page locked? 27.34.66.156 (talk) 17:28, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Disagree, Tibet is internationally recognized by the United Nations and all nations on earth as part of China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.220.159.215 (talk) 19:24, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2025

The line `2024: Kami Rita Sherpa reaches 29 ascents to the summit.` is inaccurate. Kami summited twice in 2024 (can be seen from his own wikipedia page), and has a total count of 30 ascents. Avishjha (talk) 01:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a reliable secondary source that supports this change. RegentsPark (comment) 01:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

"Mt ev" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Mt ev has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 March 7 § Mt ev until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:12, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Official name and wikipedia page name: Sagarmatha or Qomolangma

Why does the page title is Mount Everest? The official and local names given by the countries is 'Sagarmatha' or 'Qomolangma'. Kadamakshay94 (talk) 22:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

English Wikipedia article titles follow the WP:COMMONNAME policy, which selects the moniker most commonly used in independent, reliable, English-language sources. Here is the prevalence of each term as seen on Google ngrams Leventio (talk) 22:43, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2025

Mt. Everest is not 29,032' tall, it is 29,032' (the summit) above sea level. The mountain itself has a base that starts about 13,000' above sea level, which make the height of the mountain around 14 to 15,000'. When you climb Everest you do not start at the ocean, you start at the mountains base in Nepal. 206.255.51.161 (talk) 04:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

 Not done We use whatever reliable sources say (and the methods they use)RegentsPark (comment) 13:44, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

please, above sea level is correct. 27.34.66.156 (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

First to climb over 8000 metres

Three times in this article, it stated that during the 1922 Expedition, Finch and Bruce were the first humans to exceed 8000 metres. This information is incorrect. It was Mallory, Norton, and Somervell who on the expedition's initial attempt who were the first people to climb higher than 8000 metres. I've rectified the article to reflect this fact. Exzantrioz (talk) 16:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

I have noted your recent improvements and have queries on style issues. Is it best to correct a height stated in an out of date source by giving the corrected height with a new source for this corrected height ?. Also are you sure South Ridge etc is capitalised by common usage - for example it might be by Australian climbers as that is common geographical practice in Australia, but that does not mean its universal practice - it seems to me the article may be talking about the south ridge of Everest, rather than the South Ridge etc. ChaseKiwi (talk) 21:49, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Of course the northeast ridge of a mountain for example, in general, would not be capitalised, but because it is the title name of a route on Everest, it is? On the respective pages of Wikipedia for the North Col, South Col, the North Face, and The Three Steps these features have uppercase letters, so should the Northeast Ridge, Southeast Ridge, North Ridge, etc? With a quick Internet search, many examples of these being capitalised in articles, can be found. The heights are not new, they were written incorrectly between metres and feet, so they don't require a new source. For example, 8000 metres was written as 26,000 feet, which was not accurate. Exzantrioz (talk) 11:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2025

In the "Aviation" section, under the "2011: Paraglide off summit" subsection, it says:

"On 21 May 2011, Nepalis Lakpa Tsheri Sherpa and Sano Bapu Sunuwar..."

The correct name is Sano Babu Sunuwar 179.134.11.131 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

 Done Thank you for pointing out the error. RegentsPark (comment) 03:53, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

I see that this has been corrected, but now it says "Sanobabu Sunuwar". I've never seen it spelled like that, I've always seen it as "Sano Babu Sunuwar"

Example from his own website:

https://www.babuadventure.com/sano-babu-sunuwar

Another example: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/sanobabu-sunuwar-lakpa-tsheri-sherpa 179.134.12.251 (talk) 01:58, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Everest Summit on 19th May 2025

Safrina Latheef Kolukkiyil Puthanpura is an Indian mountaineer from Kerala, currently residing in Qatar. On 19 May 2025, she successfully summited Mount Everest, becoming the first Malayalee woman from Kerala to achieve this feat. Her accomplishment marks a historic milestone, as she is recognized as the first woman from Kerala to reach the summit of Mount Everest. Neel.viswan (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source, this might merit inclusion in Timeline of Mount Everest expeditions#Timeline of regional, national, ethnic, and gender records, which also lists the first female summiteers from Manipur and Meghalaya. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 17:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ1sAq2oEDx/?img_index=1&igsh=MTR3aWN5cmk1bjU5Zg==

https://www.instagram.com/eliteexped?igsh=N3N4YXRjamR5djdq

She had gone for the summit with the Eliteexpd company...

And till date no woman in Kerala, India had done this summit successfully.

And Safrina Latheef Kolukkiyil Puthanpura is the first woman to do it... Neel.viswan (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Your post belongs at Talk:Timeline of Mount Everest expeditions, not here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2025

The real name of the peak is "Sagarmatha", not "Mount Everest". And it's internationally known as "Mount Everest" and not the way around "locally known as Sagarmatha". It's like calling "eiffel tower" as "Everest tower" just because some guy from nowhere wanted to name it after himself. +977lazy (talk) 14:22, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 15:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Just feel the need to point out that what you say here, it's internationally known as "Mount Everest" and not the way around, is exactly the reason why this article is named Mount Everest in the first place, and not any localized name.

English Wikipedia (and all its other multilingual Wikipedia projects for that matter) are what most people would call an "international" online encyclopedia, that is not local to any one country. That is why English Wikipedia (and other language versions) have WP:COMMONNAME policies, which specifically make it clear that the article title should be the most commonly used name in that language. And in the case of the English language, that would be Mount Everest (see Google ngrams). Leventio (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Correct use of Names

• Please make the correction to state, "the Nepali name is Sagarmatha"... not the 'local name'.
• The Tibetan name is "Jomolangma", not 'Qomolangma'. The Tibetan letters correspond to this necessary correction:
• ཇོ་མོ་, the first two letters provided in the note, are translated as Jo་mo, not Qo mo. There is no 'Q' in translated Tibetan.
• For an additional source, see Tibetan Review, "China sparks controversy at Nepal international event by insisting Mt Everest is ‘Chomolungma’", May 17, 2025, https://www.tibetanreview.net/china-sparks-controversy-at-nepal-international-event-by-insisting-mt-everest-is-chomolungma/
• Why is this page locked? Why are contributors offering necessary corrections forced to answer capchas? Are you hacking me now?

27.34.66.156 (talk) 17:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

The sentence is "known locally as Sagarmatha in Nepal" which is effectively the same as your suggestion. Qomolangma is the spelling as written in the Tibetan pinyin romanization style, which is designed to be phonetic (captures pronunciation) instead of transliterating (captures exact spelling). The page is locked due to persistent vandalism. If you create an account and log in, I believe you won't need to answer CAPTCHAs in order to contribute. Why would you think anyone's hacking you? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 21:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Primary source.. anecdotal gibberish

There is a lot of trimming that needs to be done, like the theft/crime section to start with. Graywalls (talk) 05:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Inclusion of accomplishment x by y group of people

Despite having a good CNN source, I believe that the statement "On 18 May 2025, British mountaineer Kenton Cool completed his 19th ascent of Mount Everest, breaking his own record for the most ascents by a non-Sherpa guide." is undue for the mountain page given oddly specific "non-Sherpa". This is one of those things that belong on a biography article, not place article. If you insist on including it, please reach consensus here. Graywalls (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

@Reywas92:, More over, it's debatable if blow-by-blow documentation of ascent accomplishments by chronicled by name in the mountain's page. Perhaps some are due. This merits a discussion. Graywalls (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I support it, and MountainOceanDream136 who added it presumably supports it. You may reach consensus here if you insist on deleting it. Perhaps the record section should be reorganized not to be year-by-year, and shouldn't include each time someone broke their own record, but climbing and re-climbing Mount Everest is a major aspect of the mountain, so this is certainly due to include. He has a biography article, and this article should link to it with the context! I don't think "non-Sherpa" is oddly specific at all, reliable sources widely covered him and use this term. — Reywas92^Talk 16:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

@Reywas92:, WP:ONUS, you may reach consensus if you wish to include it. Graywalls (talk) 19:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Yep, there's two of us and one of you right now, you do not get to unilaterally delete whatever you want just because you don't like it. — Reywas92^Talk 20:49, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Specifically, the burden to establish consensus falls on those wishing to include it. So, person 1 having initially inserted it, then after substantial time has passed and removed by person 2, then person 3 insists on inclusion, it's not an automatic consensus in favor of inclusion. Could you show me precedent showing otherwise? Graywalls (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

• I agree with Graywalls that non-sherpa guide is a bit weird. Sherpa is an ethnicity rather than a profession. You could say "most by a mountaineer rather than a porter or a guide" but that's equally weird because the focus should be on the human with the most ascents and it shouldn't matter that one set of humans is paid by the other set. I suggest removing this. Also, not a big point, but note that per WP:BRD the onus to seek consensus is actually on the person adding content. RegentsPark (comment) 22:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
  • I don't see anything weird about it, it's widely used: sources that aren't about Kenton Cool include this journal article by a Nepali scholar, KUOW, ESPN, [1], [2], Experimental Physiology journal article, High Altitude Medicine & Biology journal article Everest Chronicle, Seattle Times, American Journal of Human Biology and other academic and news articles about both Everest and medical topics. It's clear that the distinction is not about just who is paying whom to be a guide, but that Sherpas have physiology that is adapted to high altitude, and the relationship between Sherpas and westerners on the mountain is well-discussed. Still, regardless of how he's described, Kenton Cool has received extensive coverage for his Everest climbs in international news over many years, and it would be ridiculous to exclude him from a relevant section. — Reywas92^Talk 15:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• I agree with Reywas92; inclusion is appropriate on the basis of the significantly discussed relationship between Sherpas and non-Sherpa climbers.—Alalch E. 16:40, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

  • Regarding Special:Diff/1296564242, and Special:Diff/1296743557: Greywalls, your bypassing of further discussion and aggressive "enforcement" of the removal has been noted. You don't get to stop discussing and keep reverting. That's not how ONUS works. You need to engage on the substance as opposed to debate the editing process, and you don't get to devalue other editors' comments by characterizing them as votes. The content had achieved implicit consensus prior to your first removal.—Alalch E. 00:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

    @RegentsPark:, doesn't ONUS work such that it defaults to omitting until consensus is reached? From what I see, I see no consensus to include. Sourcing is strong, but not in a way that supports how this claim is WP:DUE for the mountain article. Perhaps more appropriate for sub-articles about Everest such as climbing records, but not on the main article. Graywalls (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

  @Graywalls: Per WP:BRD, the onus is on the editors adding the material to get consensus. However, BRD is an essay, not policy, so one can't always use it in an argument. The record itself is a bit on the crummy side for several reasons. First, because it distinguishes between ethnicities which isn't kosher. Second, there doesn't seem to be anything official about it. And, finally, because many of Cool's ascents are as a guide, which makes him a sort of unofficial sherpa. Personally, I don't think this is worth fighting over since it is sourced (though, I would suggest changing non-Sherpa to non-Nepali per the CNN source) so I suggest just letting it go.RegentsPark (comment) 14:42, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Substandard sources

@Alalch E.:, You restored contents along with source claiming that source is fine here Special:Diff/1296746011. The source is not fine. (WP:NEWSORGINDIA and WP:TIMESOFINDIA) Why do you believe it is fine? Graywalls (talk) 00:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Times of India is cited approx 64.000 times on Wikipedia. We are not going to remove all uses of Times of India and all content sourced to this outlet. We're doing it according to our best judgement on a case by case basis. "Fine" was not intended to mean great or "can't be better", it just means good enough for verifying this record, i.e., better than nothing. Additional considerations apply to articles published in The Times of India (TOI) after 1950. TOI has sometimes had a poor reputation for fact-checking and its use should be evaluated with caution. Editors should ensure that they do not use paid advertorials—which were first published in TOI in 1950 at the earliest—to verify information or establish notability. Paid advertorials may be of particular concern in topics such as entertainment. Editors should also be aware that TOI may have published at least one AI-generated article. This is not a paid advertorial, and there is no reason to doubt the factual veracity of this reporting, and there are other sources which corroborate the statement... Which I might add. Such as https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27599570
or https://web.archive.org/web/20140617233713/https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/kidspost/indian-teen-is-youngest-girl-to-climb-everest/2014/06/09/f2192ce6-ec37-11e3-93d2-edd4be1f5d9e_story.html —Alalch E. 00:57, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

@Alalch E.:, A source might be fine for saying someone that just happens to be notable enough to have a Wikipedia page was cited for speeding on the Golden Gate Bridge. Is such a reporting accurate? probably. Is the said reporting WP:DUE and appropriate for inclusion? Highly doubtful. This is where we're at here. Would it be more proper to consider it including into that person's page? Maybe.. but most certainly not in the bridge's page. Graywalls (talk) 01:04, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

I not strongly opposed to removing the entire "Youngest X to reach the summit" type of records from this article, but I still favor keeping over removing a bit more if we are keeping the records list, as it does seem a noteworthy fact when it comes to Mount Everest records. —Alalch E. 01:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

I strongly oppose sensationalist trivia in the mountain article. The tallest to do x on Everset", the fattest x, the shortest x, the x-ist y to do z at Everest, the obesest, youngest, y religion... the list is limitless. WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTEVERYTHING is relevant. A large portion of is better addressed in Timeline of climbing Mount Everest than here. Graywalls (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

But what to leave in then? Why is this sensationalist trivia? It's included in both the Timeline of climbing Mount Everest and List of Mount Everest records. The latter lists these categories of records: "Highest number of times to reach the summit" (+ "Other number of times records"), "Most times per nation", "First to summit a certain number of times", "Double summiting records", "Fastest ascents", "Deadliest accident" ,"Oldest summiters", "Youngest summiters" (+ "Youngest female"), "Firsts", "Disabled summiters", "Other", "Skydives Over Mount Everest" (questionable content there, this one is the worst), "Nepali records" (circling back to "non-Sherpa"). It appears to traditionally be one of the categories of records that has been gaining attention of the world at large. —Alalch E. 01:32, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

That does not mean that it belongs in this particular article. Do these latest things pass the test of time WP:20YT? That's one way to see if it's just news coverage or something of timeless global relevance to the mountain. Graywalls (talk) 02:10, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm okay with this, what do you think: Special:Diff/1296758562 —Alalch E. 02:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Better. Graywalls (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2025

Change the missing citation following this sentence:

"However, this is considered difficult and dangerous (as illustrated by the case of David Sharp)."

to this link:

https://eightsummits.com/bills-articles/the-tragic-death-of-david-sharp/ Tk42juan (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

 Done using another source, since this is a blog and therefore most likely not reliable — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 21:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Babu Sunuwar's correct name

In the Aviation section, 2011: Paraglide off summit sub-section:

1. Use "Sano Babu" instead of "Sanobabu". Most references linked in that section show that "Sano Babu" is the correct form (except the abcnews.com reference, which uses 'Sanobabu' just once). His own website also uses "Sano Babu" (https://www.babuadventure.com/our-team).

2. Use "Babu" instead of "Bapu". All references linked in that section show that "Babu" is the correct form.

190.236.75.159 (talk) 05:20, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out! I've fixed both. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Environment

Everest’s glaciers provide vital water sources. Recent glacier mass studies in the Everest region show a significant acceleration of mass loss. Data from 79 glaciers indicate a change from approximately −0.23 ± 0.12 m w.e. per year in the 1960s to −0.38 ± 0.11 in the 2009–2018 period. The South Poll Glacier has thinned by approximately 55 metres since the 1990s, alongside reduced snowpack and increased solar absorption, which contribute to more rapid melt. High-altitude weather stations and recent ice core sampling are providing climate data from previously under-monitored parts of Everest’s upper slopes.

References

• Nature – “Mt. Everest’s highest glacier is a sentinel for accelerating melt”
• ScienceDirect – “Six Decades of Glacier Mass Changes around Mt. Everest”

Outdated sentence

"The move may happen by 2024, per officials." - someone should update this sentence in the climate change section 7takes (talk) 09:49, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Good catch, thank you! I've expanded the sentence with an additional source and information as to why it's currently not moving (well, not moving any more than the glacier moves it). NekoKatsun (nyaa) 15:36, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Mallory/Irvine sentence

I just undid an edit that changed "On the 1924 expedition George Mallory and Andrew Irvine made a final summit attempt on 8 June but never returned, sparking debate as to whether they were the first to reach the top." to "On the 1924 expedition George Mallory and Andrew Irvine made a final summit attempt on 8 June but never returned. In the absence of conclusive evidence, multiple research expeditions suggest that Mallory might have summited."

I prefer the original wording, which emphasizes the debate, as opposed to the updated wording, which (to me) makes it sound like he probably made it. We have no way of knowing, and probably never will, and there isn't to my knowledge a consensus - the first ascent speculation section of the 1924 expedition's page goes into detail about the various points of contention. Their clothes/gear, their route knowledge, the timing of their climb, the difficulty of the Second Step, etc.; if the greater scientific/mountaineering community doesn't agree, Wikipedia shouldn't emphasize one side over the other.

Thoughts? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 17:54, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

i havent read much on the topic and am therefore unable to argue about it. i edited the article since i felt "sparking debate as to whether they were the first to reach the top" was a non-encyclopedic and rather meaningless phrasing that bungled it in the same category as someone who goes missing at 6,000m, perhaps incorrectly. EnTerbury (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Your reasoning makes sense - "sparking debate" isn't the most encyclopedic phrasing in the world, I agree. How about changing "sparking" to "leading to"? That would give us "On the 1924 expedition George Mallory and Andrew Irvine made a final summit attempt on 8 June but never returned, leading to debate as to whether they were the first to reach the top."

I've read a bunch about it just because it's interesting; the short version is that (like I said) there isn't a consensus as to if they made it or not. We know that they tried, and we know that they died, but we don't know if they summited beforehand. If they did, that would make them the first summiters, beating Tenzing and Hillary by over 20 years! Modern climbers have tried the route they took in period-accurate gear and said that it could be done, but with a lot of caveats (the route would've been completely unknown at that time, and the summit pyramid is a doozy, especially at altitude). Both of them did have cameras, though, so if those are found it could confirm or deny if they made it. Mallory's body was discovered in 1999 and Irvine's was just found last year in 2024, but neither of their cameras have been found. It's pretty fascinating to look into; if you enjoy mountaineering history, you'd probably find it engaging as well. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 16:25, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

haha, i read for the same reason! very intriguing piece of history, would love to dig more into it one day. so aiu it rn, a summit is actually pretty likely given the overall circumstances. not at all a situation where they had like a 1,000m vertical climb left, but something quite doable, for them and for the time. but - no proof either way. how about we convey what a tertiary source says in summary? that would also remedy my other trouble that the current sentence feels a bit like synthesis to me - im not well-versed in wp-policies and what is allowed to do for a lead section. EnTerbury (talk) 18:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

The idea for the lead is to give a quick summary overview of the article, so summarizing the whole thing as "there's a debate" is acceptable (which is actually basically what the article body goes with, "Controversy has raged in the mountaineering community whether one or both reached the summit 29 years before the first confirmed ascent and safe descent in 1953."). The 1924 expedition page has a lot more detail and a lot more sources. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 22:26, 1 December 2025 (UTC)