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Edit Request - brief, 2nd paragraph: As a french, I'm surprised that the date of France Foundation isn't even mentioned, the baptism of Clovis in 496. Also Germanic tribes didn't arrive in 476, that's the date of the fall of the Roman Empire. Here is my proposal: " The Germanic Franks arrived in 476 and formed the Kingdom of Francia, which became the heartland of the Carolingian Empire. " -> "Germanic tribes took over the territory after the fall of the Roman Empire in 476. Clovis, King of the Germanic Franks, managed to reunite the most of it under one Kingdom. In 496 he converts to the Christian religion, thus allying with the Gallo-Roman people and funding the first Kingdom of what will become later France and its first dynasty of Kings, the Merovingians, followed three centuries later by a second dynasty, the Carolingians, whose Charlemagne founded his Empire." My sources are just French Wikipedia articles. Thank you
In the third paragraph: "Higher education is divided between public universities and the prestigious and selective Grandes écoles, such as Sciences Po Paris for Political studies, HEC Paris for Economics, Polytechnique and the École nationale supérieure des mines de Paris that produce high-profile engineers, or the École nationale d'administration for careers in the Grands Corps of the state" Among the examples of Grandes écoles, I think that it should be interesting to add "École normale supérieure for academic research". Indeed it is one of the most esteemed schools in France, and the leader for research. A link to the page of this school: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/École_normale_supérieure_(Paris) Thank you. Edit Request - [Education] section: In the last paragraphe of the section [Education], it is stated "Health insurance for students is free until the age of 20." France has Universal Healthcare which although has some affiliation with concepts of insurance due to partial reimbursements of fees and costs, it is free and provided regardless of age or income. It is also comparatively very low cost. Because of the above, it is misleading and even erroneous to bring into the article claims of age restrictions or even notions of insurance policies which, especially US audiences, evoke false images of potentially costly personal healthcare through [private] insurance companies. I suggest removing any text regarding health insurance in regards to the education section as it is not relevant to the French educational system. Cdelapointe (talk) 20:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Edit Request - Law section: "France is tolerant of the LGBT community. Since 1999, civil unions for homosexual couples are permitted, and since May 2013, same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption are legal in France.[99]" to be removed: LGBT adoption is Legal Same sex marriage is legal in France since may 2013 but LGBT adoption is legal, it's actually the subject of larges debates ("manif pour tous" vs "Anti Manif pour tous"). Edit Request - Literature Section: "Jean de La Fontaine is one of the most famous fabulist of that time, as he wrote hundreds of fables, some being far more famous than others, such as The Ant and the Grasshopper."he is stupid and is awesome. Upon reading the article on "The Ant and the Grasshopper" - Fontaine was _reinterpreting_ Aesop's Fables. Edit request Hi, in the fourth paragraph of the introduction, there is a link that states France has the fourth largest nominal military budget, but when you click on the link the article states it has the fifth largest budget. Could someone check please. Cheers In the Prehistory section, it states: "The oldest traces of human life in what is now France date from approximately 1,800,000 years ago." Sorry, but humans have not been around than long. Wikipedia's own article on humans states they originated in Africa some 200,000 years ago, one 9th of the time stated in this article. The citation is 25 years old and is now obviously superceded. Plus one: +1 : this is assertion in not only completely stupid but based on completelty outdated references. Please delete.92.144.185.233 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC) Edit request In the economy section, it says "France derives 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, the highest percentage in the world.[138]". Can someone put a better source, the source given claims that France makes 39% of electricity from nuclear, in complete contradiction with the article. France is known for bacon. Maybe this one: http://www.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/NuclearShareofElectricityGeneration.aspx Up to date and reliable. The real figure is 73%. Liberivore (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC) Edit request The lead needs more than a single sentence on the history of France.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Edit request in the Religion section The paragraph begins with: is the Roman Catholic cathedral where the kings of France were crowned until 1825.[235] ]] This text should be below the picture instead of in the paragraph, please correct it. 194.98.34.59 (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC) Edit request - Foreign relations section Last paragraph: "In 2009, France was the second largest (in absolute numbers) donor of development aid in the world, behind the US, and ahead of Germany, Japan and the UK.[145] This represents 0.5% of its GDP, in this regard rating France as tenth largest donor on the list." According to OECD (http://www.compareyourcountry.org/%5C/oda?page=0&cr=oecd&lg=en) in 2014, France is listed fourth largest donor, behind US, UK and Germany. This represents 0.36% of its GDP, in this regard 12th largest donor.87.212.145.228 (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC) |
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International borders
[edit]France also shares a border with the Netherlands on the island of Saint Martin / Sint Maarten. Saint Martin is part of France, and Sint Maarten is part of the Netherlands. [12 April 2025]
Coat of arms
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France does not have an official coat of arms (including a diplomatic emblem, which is also unofficial), only that flag which is official as specified in the French Constitution. Since the French Republic did not adopt new armorial bearings following the Revolution. The diplomatic emblem is used for French diplomatic missions, although today it holds no official status.[2]
Absolutiva 00:28, 10 September 2025 (UTC)
- I guess make it say "de facto". Christianhatley527 (talk) 18:18, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
- Although that diplomatic emblem in the infobox is not de jure. Absolutiva 22:09, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
- I said de facto. it means unofficial. Christianhatley527 (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
- Unlike Turkey does not have de facto emblem in the infobox according to the Turkish Constitution. Absolutiva 03:18, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
- I said de facto. it means unofficial. Christianhatley527 (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
- Although that diplomatic emblem in the infobox is not de jure. Absolutiva 22:09, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
- The emblem has become all but official, I'd say include as "De facto emblem" Coleisforeditor (talk) 23:19, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- De facto symbols should not be used in the infobox (unless if is de jure). Absolutiva 23:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- That is not true, for example in the case of Syria a de facto flag and coat of arms were used after the 2024 Fall of Damascus. Quite often I see that de facto anthems are used, as well. It has never been the case that de facto symbols should not be displayed in the infobox. Coleisforeditor (talk) 00:25, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Very often, countries are very complex entities, and ruling out a symbol as unofficial because there isn't a specific law that says "This symbol is official", even when such symbol has widespread adoption and usage in and out of government is not a particularly great stance to take for the wiki. While I cannot think of many which would directly apply to this issue — I am on mobile at this point and searching policies, guidelines and consensus would be difficult — policies such as WP:COMMONNAME position the wiki to include such "all but official" symbols. Coleisforeditor (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with this, "in the constitution" is only one definition of official. The emblem has been officially adopted by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. This page also on the elysee website calls it "a symbol of the Republic". CMD (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- More sources mentioned that is related to coat of arms are neither official:
- Georgeon-Liskenne, Anne (2013). "Les symboles républicains au ministère des Affaires étrangères" [Republican Symbols at the Foreign Ministry]. La République et ses symboles (in French). Éditions de la Sorbonne: 389–400. doi:10.4000/books.psorbonne.58677. Retrieved 2024-10-07.
- "Les origines des emblèmes (symboles Gaulois)" [The origins of emblems (Gallic symbols)]. Les Polices Mobiles (in French). Retrieved 2024-10-07.
- Absolutiva 23:10, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- More sources mentioned that is related to coat of arms are neither official:
- Agree with this, "in the constitution" is only one definition of official. The emblem has been officially adopted by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. This page also on the elysee website calls it "a symbol of the Republic". CMD (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Very often, countries are very complex entities, and ruling out a symbol as unofficial because there isn't a specific law that says "This symbol is official", even when such symbol has widespread adoption and usage in and out of government is not a particularly great stance to take for the wiki. While I cannot think of many which would directly apply to this issue — I am on mobile at this point and searching policies, guidelines and consensus would be difficult — policies such as WP:COMMONNAME position the wiki to include such "all but official" symbols. Coleisforeditor (talk) 00:39, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- That is not true, for example in the case of Syria a de facto flag and coat of arms were used after the 2024 Fall of Damascus. Quite often I see that de facto anthems are used, as well. It has never been the case that de facto symbols should not be displayed in the infobox. Coleisforeditor (talk) 00:25, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- De facto symbols should not be used in the infobox (unless if is de jure). Absolutiva 23:52, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ "France: Symbols of the Republic". Flags of the World. Retrieved 10 September 2025.
- ^ "The lictor's fasces". Élysée. Retrieved 10 September 2025.
Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2025
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Etymology section, second sentence; fix quotation mark from "' to ' and close parentheses.
- The name of the Franks is related to the English word frank ('free'): the latter stems from the Old French franc ('free, noble, sincere'), and ultimately from the Medieval Latin word francus ('free, exempt from service; freeman, Frank"', ##
May be worth adding the "a" before "freeman" and "Frank" for clarity, as "Frank" could be misread as an adjective, original text from the cited source reads: "free, at liberty, exempt from service," as a noun, "a freeman, a Frank" Polymorphess (talk) 23:27, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
Done: I've heard your request and it is valid and fulfilled. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of editors such as myself. — Alex26337 (talk) 00:01, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 October 2025
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Since a few days Sébastien Lecornu demissionned. France actually lost its prime minister. 194.214.167.99 (talk) 11:45, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Largoplazo (talk) 13:01, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
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