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No mention of the fact the unit insignia is a wolfsangel?

Shouldn't the fact the unit insignia is a stylised version of a Nazi symbol be mentioned somewhere in the article? HamNCheeseSandwich (talk) 04:35, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not wolfsangel but 'Idea of Nation'. This symbol was created by Nestor Proniuk who ever didn't know then what is a wolfsangel. 176.104.177.22 (talk) 08:08, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if they didn't intend to, which to be honest I don't believe, it's clearly a variation on the same symbol.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Emblem_of_the_Azov_Battalion.svg/1558px-Emblem_of_the_Azov_Battalion.svg.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/SS-Panzer-Division_symbol.svg/800px-SS-Panzer-Division_symbol.svg.png HamNCheeseSandwich (talk) 08:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the same symbol because the original author didn't know what is a wolfsangel and even this symbol was identified with wolfsangel dozen years later (firstly political opponents of SNPU identified this symbol with swastika), also most of the contemporary users are not even the radical nationalists. 176.104.177.22 (talk) 08:34, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Wikipedia article of the Social-National Party of Ukraine who first commissioned the symbol the party (Social-National) was intentionally named after the Nazi (National Socialist) party. I do not believe they just accidentally adopted a flag with a Nazi symbol and I really feel that it's bad faith to even suggest that.

However, that doesn't matter. If I draw a perfect picture of Homer Simpson without ever watching an episode of the Simpsons, it's still a picture of Homer Simpson. That's a wolfsangel. The article should mention it, especially given how there's a whole controversy section detailing their use of Nazi imagery. HamNCheeseSandwich (talk) 08:52, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the party wasn't named after the nazi party because when SNPU was created there wasn't even such consciousness about term "national socialism". In most post-communist countries nazis were simply named "fascists", even the term "nazism" wasn't popular. Not mention about the knowledge of the extremist symbolism which was limited to only swastika. The knowledge of the international far-right symbolism and terms was gradually developed since the later 90's. Original members of SNPU hadn't even developed knowledge of their native nationalism except the UPA partisan movement if some of them listened some stories from their older family members and except the hard-to-access works of some Ukrainian nationalists. Not to mention any knowledge of foreign nationalist theories. 176.104.177.22 (talk) 09:21, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now it's an army corps

Now the Brigade became the 3rd Army Corps so the name of this article should be changed. 176.104.177.22 (talk) 08:10, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no further information. The should not be expanded to the size of a brigade. The corps should include the existing brigade, the brigade HQ will just become the corps HQ. Yes, the Telegram post announced by the brigade stated they have become the 3rd Army Corps - but it most likely means that they have become PART of the 3rd Army Corps. Further confirmation needs to be made before this change happens. Davomme (talk) 13:43, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is now a corps

Just like the original Azov unit is also a corps.

Update the article including the name.

Requested move 2 August 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

It was proposed in this section that 3rd Assault Brigade be renamed and moved to 3rd Army Corps (Ukraine).

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Not moved; the alternative proposed by the nom has begun with the creation of the 3rd Army Corps article. Further improvements should be discussed in separate sections here and on the Corps talk page. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. – welcome! – 20:10, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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3rd Assault Brigade → 3rd Army Corps (Ukraine) – The article has not been updated. The current name is 3-й армійський корпус. It was created on March 14: https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/articles/cqx4z2zqyxgo Alternatively, create the new corps article and update the brigade article. 94.246.147.217 (talk) 17:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 3rd Assault Brigade and the 3rd Army Corps is a separate entity. They brigade remains in tact with the brigade's headquarters being moved. Additionally, several units of the brigade are being elevated to corps level. Davomme (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with my alternative option. (And obviously it's nothing "Separate" now.) 94.246.147.217 (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support your alternative option and oppose the requested move. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) (contributions) 12:28, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have created the page 3rd Army Corps (Ukraine) and will continue to update and maintain it. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) (contributions) 17:55, 3 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article here still calls it a "separate" brigade in present tense and is overall not updated. 94.246.147.217 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to the sources I reviewed, the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade still exists as a unit within the 3rd Army Corps. See for example Butusov of 28 July, which refers to the 3rd Assault Brigade holding a 60 kilometer portion of a 120 kilometer front line under the control of the 3rd Army Corps, including [at least] two other brigades. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) (contributions) 19:12, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He's not calling it "separate". Because it isn't separate.

One again, the article here just isn't updated.

(It also needs a copyedit.)94.246.147.217 (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See 9 July 2025 "3rd Separate Assault Brigade" in prose and "ІІІ Окрема Штурмова Бригада" watermark on pictures, 10 May "Третя окрема штурмова бригада (3ОШБр)" in prose. I wouldn't be able to cite it in the article, but you can even review the brigade's Telegram channel and find that as recently as 3 August they posted photos with the "ІІІ Окрема Штурмова Бригада" watermark which makes me think you are wrong about this. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) (contributions) 20:55, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's by definition not "separate" if it's in any way a structural part of any larger unit (division, corps, army - not just a grouping as before). 94.246.147.217 (talk) 07:00, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but I can't make any edits based on your personal definitions. And your theory regarding the word separate doesn't seem to be entirely correct either: consider for example the 108th, 109th, and 8th separate mountain assault battalions (огшб) which are structural parts of a larger unit, the 10th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) (contributions) 07:50, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Ukraine, WikiProject Military history/Post-Cold War task force, and WikiProject Military history have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 11:46, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Need to change the details of current commander. Colonel Andriy Biletsky has been promoted to command the 3rd Army Corps and since May 2025 the current commander of the 3rd Seperate Assault Brigade is Yaroslav Levenets. Zair58 (talk) 23:24, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. veko. (user | talk | contribs) 23:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unit patch being a stylised Nazi symbol still isn't mentioned

The fact that the National Idea symbol is a variant of the wolfsangel is covered both in this page and on the National Idea page, but then this page doesn't make reference to the fact that the unit patch is a stylised National Idea symbol and therefore is itself a variant of the Wolfsangel, a Nazi symbol used by amongst others the 2nd SS Panzer Division. The controversy section kind of alludes to some of the Nazi accusations but then doesn't mention that the unit is using a Nazi symbol as its official patch.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment https://www.haaretz.com/2014-09-09/ty-article/ukrainian-soldiers-seen-wearing-nazi-symbols/0000017f-e17a-d568-ad7f-f37b64d50000 https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/kyivs-next-image-problem/

HamNCheeseSandwich (talk) 09:36, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]